XO Order
We've been perusing the "draft" order for the "XO Program." A bunch of changes, a bunch of questions. It seems to outline the elimination of the Captain rank, all out-of-grade for Lieutenants, Desk Sergeants being eliminated but a "District Station Supervisor" being named.
Who the hell comes up with this crap?
Who the hell comes up with this crap?
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
97 Comments:
Sounds like a plan.
Unqualified captains will work second watch with less responsibility . It's the chicago way . What about field lt.
Answer: Someone who was never the police
no desk sgt. bad idea. same with no captain rank. even though 90% of our captains were useless losers,,
We will lose more in lawsuits from poor supervision than we will ever save from this. But Rahm will be on to his next gig and the Sup will be back to New York, so no big whoop.
Who comes up with this crap; I'll tell you who. Idiots at Headquarters that don't have a freaking clue.
The reason McWhipe is so "hands on" with the CPD stems from the fact NYPD brass are forbidden to use toilet paper at Won Puhleeze Plaza or in any of the precinct houses. Which explains why everything he touches turns to shit.
Can this be used to protect the pensions of the clouted ones vs the rank and file?
Wait until the new order comes out next month. I heard from my friend's mom that's dating a married Tactical Lt. on the sly, that soon, Lt.'s will be placed in lock-up where they will monitor the Detention Aids and approve arrests. Makes sense in a way. You got a prisoner and your done processing, it's easier just to bring him in to lock-up where the Lt. will be sitting to make sure everything's legit on the arrest report.
Oh, and big astronomical changes tomorrow! You heard it here first.
No desk Sgt. is not a very bright idea.
This is clearly coming from someone with little if any police experience. Certainly no real district level police experience.
It's so flawed and illogical it's destined to fail.
Why can't they ever seek input from the district level? We actually know of what we talk about and could provide valuable input......Oh I forgot Rahm knows best.
So if I'm understanding this correctly...when a Lt. is RDO, a sgt. will be in charge of the building and/or watch. Additionally, a P.O. will be doing the Desk Sgt.'s duties. Both positions without additional pay, but more responsibility/liability. Which means,by reverse seniority,the persons with the least seniority and/or experience will be in charge because who in their right mind would voluntarily do either job without out of grade pay? Possible scenario...you start asking who on the watch wants to be the desk sgt. starting at the top...no one wants it and you put the kid who is just out of the academy in the job. Same with building supervisor...someone who has never even been a desk sgt. is now asked to run the watch...i.e.,trr's,approve arrest reports,(W/C's & Desk Sgt's know the common mistakes made),heater cases,contractual issues,who is eligible for bond,bonding persons on warrants,multiple warrants and local charges, hospital issues,juvenile issues,dealing with off duty incidents, etrack,etc.
Someone asked in a previous post,"who comes up with this crap?"...I think we're all thinking this right now...it's a disaster waiting to happen.
They might just as well eliminate Captains, Lieutenants and Sergeants, because they have already eliminated many in the ranks of Patrolman and Detective.
Brilliant plan: Nobody in charge. Another idea from the mind of cmdr Oneill. Just like zone captains.
I heard the third watch cleaning lady will handle all I Bonds and type A accidents.
Who said it is crap? Sounds like a workable plan to me. Change is hard.
County got rid of cpts and chiefs, now we have just commanders.
Mcturd is now referring to citizens as customers. And he wants them to evaluate our service like we are fucking Walmart.
So tell me sir, Did the officer at least smile at you as he shot you for pointing a gun at him? Did the Officer stroke your hair and comort you after you got the fuck tazed out of you?
Next we will be ringing doorbells asking if there are any chores that need to be done.
can see it now.... Reginald peaking his head out of the door stating... Now make show you put 2 coats a wax on dat mufugga?
This is what education has won us?
I'm on furlough now, but I'd imagine when I get back with all these changes, I'll still be pushing a beat car in a RAP....
The order states that the XO will work the opposite of the Commander where exigent circumstances do not exist.
More explanation needed on the order, as you all know. The rumor has been that the "bonding officer" will be responsible for everything on the desk (reports, radio handouts, and bonding TVB's/prisoners). No mention of that in the order yet.
Word is the city is prepared for the backlash of grievances from all of the ranks. File one for every day you are denied out of grade (ie Lt's as Watch Commanders, Sgts as Watch Commanders, Desk Officer as Desk Sgt, sworn PO put in the lockup at the last minute when civilian calls in). get the wording down now for these, make it standard so an arbitrator can rule in the future without any possibility of discrepancy and confusing the issues.
"XO" Which is the hug,which is the kiss?
What most of you with less than 20 yrs. on the job forget is that the City hired a firm some yrs. ago to study the Dept. (Booze & Allan Rpt.)That Rpt. stated that we did not need the rank of Captain, and the captains were bought off or attritioned out. ALL OF THE CURRENT CAPTAINS DID NOT TAKE A TEST FOR THEIR RANK. THE CAPATAINS OF TODAY ARE FOR THE MOST PART POLITICAL HACKS PROMOTED ON CLOUT OR AS A ALTERNATE PRIZE FOR NOT GETTING A GOLD STAR. We have survived without captains in the past and will survive in the future without them. Also note, that there was a time, long ago, when captains were district/precinct commanders. The Department has too many gold stars and if McNutty reduces the top-heavy gold that is draining our pension fund, then he is doing all of us a favor.
Rumor has it, people with clout will get better spots than people with out
no desk sgt. bad idea. same with no captain rank. even though 90% of our captains were useless losers,,
11/19/2011 12:33:00 AM
It's a GOOD idea! A sorry, lazy piece of desk shit who doesn't want to be bothered with inventories, bond money,or AIRA. A PO will do more work, complain less, an not collect .75 hrs a day!
The Cook County Democratic party wants to take this time to thank each and every one of you and yours who elected their candidates! As for us it gave us nearly forty years of affirmitive action, followed by the merit promotee's who are todays exempts! And they, Virginia are the one's who fucked up the Chicago Police Department.
I thank the Good Lord everyday that I retired last year and am away from this horrible situation which is only getting worse.
These merit-hack Captains are in the process of deciding where they are going as XOs. There is a transfer list being composed with the more clouted ones getting their pics on down to the less clouted ones. Unfortunately the shit districts will get the less clouted shit Captains.
Heard they are eliminating the Commander's position in units such as Marine, Public Trans, Traffic, and Vice and replacing them with XOs to save money. They will answer to their Asst Dep Chief.
all of these decisions are being made to save money--- the last time they eliminated captains it didn't work because the lts were feuding with each other about who had the bigger balls--- buckle up, the police department will be a tko come may 22, 2011 and then all the finger pointing will begin...
I know who comes up with shit. It's house mouse P.O.'s that never worked the streets and managed to move up in the ranks. Now they call the shots and because they have a little piece of paper from so and so university they think they are qualified to make stupid as business/management decisions. This fucking department is going down hill
The ones who came up with this crap are former members of the NYPD, now on the 5th floor of the soon to be named Public Safety Center.
We will have to wait and see. Captains on days will have all the front office po's or more doing their work. They will just be carried on made up cars and posts, nothing will change
Question? Define qualified Captain. I mean it's not like there's a test or anything.
" I heard from my friend's mom that's dating a married Tactical Lt. on the sly"
I heard the same thing from his wife and daughter during our four way with Charlie Sheen.
Who cares about Captains , it's 100% Clout Merit Appointment .
Let the XO's work from 1900 to 0400
when the District Commander is off.
CPD needs Police Officers and Sergeants in District Patrol Now.
Great, put the hacks in charge that were too dirty or stupid to put in a command (and that's saying something, judging by our Command staff). Captain is a "rank" of drunks, thieves and sexual predators with swollen heads. Very bad idea to give them more authority.
So I'm going to have to get my preliminary arrest approved by another P.O., the ones on the desk who think they're a higher pay grade already? What if I refuse to do something they say? We're the same rank right?
Anonymous Strike Force Samurai said...
Wait until the new order comes out next month. I heard from my friend's mom that's dating a married Tactical Lt. on the sly, that soon, Lt.'s will be placed in lock-up where they will monitor the Detention Aids and approve arrests. Makes sense in a way. You got a prisoner and your done processing, it's easier just to bring him in to lock-up where the Lt. will be sitting to make sure everything's legit on the arrest report.
Oh, and big astronomical changes tomorrow! You heard it here first.
11/19/2011 02:56:00 AM
I am a fly on the wall at 35th and Michigan and big changes are coming on Monday. Really big changes. I mean the changes are so big it is going to shake the ground upon which our districts are built upon. That is how big the changes will be.
New Joyzee McJOKE has all the answers.
This is the kind of crap that smaller departments go through with carpet-bagger after carpet-bagger being hired for the organization's top job. The carpet-bagger's new policies rarely survive the end of the carpet-bagger's tenure, regardless if they work or not, because the next carpet-bagger wants to erase the taint of the previous carpet-bagger. Our situation with J-FLED and McJOKE is no different.
Its the New York PD system...except they have Captains.
The xo stuff isn't the problem. The other orders mean nobody is in charge of a watch. That's a problem.
Who will be proving security for the police station if all officers are ordered on the street and civilians run the station?
The draft is just that a draft, it doesnt address a lot. But the XO's duties are going to mirror the Commanders. They just cant work the same hours.
In a time we need more supervison on the streets, we will have less, brillant.
I sworn person on the desk, and rest civilians. How many police have been attacked at the desk? A lot!!!! But its ok the jackoffs at 35th street will be safe, the fireman will be there...
3 shot in the box in 002 on days. oh me oh my, boo got shot boo got shot! How many cars stuck in the box? Didnt stop shit, and it wont in the future. Gang bangin dope dealers will always find a way to shoot each other and there isnt shit we can do to stop it. How bout them apples McAsshole? You cant reason will people who have no capacity to reason, or who operate from the lowest levels of their cortex. But hey, lets keep driving around in that box with 3-4 cars while everyone else in the district runs from call to call. I just tell citizens who have waited an hour for police service that the Mayor and Police Superintendant want it this way.
who put the order out?....a bunch of dopes...
OT:
If you can, please send Bill Cozzi a note or a card. Although he is out of LA, he still faces many challenges, and I'm sure he is having a hard time regarding what his future holds.
This is a bad time of year. I think I missed his birthday--anybody remember? His address is on the home page of SCC
Please don't forget about him--he's still got a long way to go.
I am a fly on the wall at 35th and Michigan and big changes are coming on Monday. Really big changes. I mean the changes are so big it is going to shake the ground upon which our districts are built upon. That is how big the changes will be.
11/19/2011 01:16:00 PM
I don't think there is anything that would surprise me--except that maybe we'll be transported to crime scenes via x-ray tubes, like the Jetsons or something. Bring it on. I'm just so glad, that since I came on in '86, that I at least got to learn from the old-timers and saw an honorable force, where men were men, and shitheads were afraid of us. (Even as a female) So many new hires never got to see that. It had its flaws, but it worked a hell of a lot better than this. Some of those old-timers would be able to reduce a hair-gel to tears in a few choice comments. I miss them.
actually a good idea a lt is the acting watch commander 90 percent of the anyway
Great Hoot is going to days. Now we can go sleep in the academy parking lot and not have to worry about him tracking us with GPS.
How is this for a scenario, the civilian walks into the station, walks by the civilian who is working the desk, walks into the locker room breaks into a POLICE OFFICERS locker, takes his weapons, uniforms, AND???????. Next
Question is who was the IDIOT, who signed off on removing all the sworn officers from the desk! Chief Moron, where are you!!!!!!!!!
And they, Virginia are the one's who fucked up the Chicago Police Department.
11/19/2011 09:23:00 AM
and, so, what you're saying is, there ain't no Santyclaws?
"XO" Which is the hug,which is the kiss?
11/19/2011 09:07:00 AM
did you check the package first?
Who said it is crap? Sounds like a workable plan to me. Change is hard.
11/19/2011 06:53:00 AM
so is your thick skull.
Someone asked in a previous post,"who comes up with this crap?"...I think we're all thinking this right now...it's a disaster waiting to happen.
11/19/2011 06:13:00 AM
someone hell bent on stirring the shit.
1 sworn p.o. on the desk. RIIIGGHT.
Let me get this straight this 1 p.o. will be doing what was formerly the desk Sgt.'s job along with what is the desk officers job but they'll get no more money? They're expected to answer the phones, do reports for walk ins , control the salley port, bond out prisoners, get prisoners ready for court and supervise the civilians all for the pay they already get? Fuck that.
Where are they going to get all these civilians? They aren't currently on the payroll.
This will never work.
It is true that none of today's Captains ever tested for the spot. They are political appointees. We don't need them. The rest of the plan is retarded, just like McFairy.
Just about every watch in every district in the city has 2 sworn, bidded spots on the desk under our contract. If they try to implement this it's going to cost the city a lot of money in grievances. Of course Rahm doesn't care about minor things like contracts. Afterall it's his way or the highway!
contract talks: the highest pension you should be able to draw is lt,because that is the highest tested job. will save pension millions
To Bill Cozzi:
I am glad you are back in Chicago. I imagine it must be difficult to be back with readjustment and all. If it any help, I am an orphan this Thanksgiving, no family, my girlfriend is off to Pennsylvania to visit with her new granddaughter so it is Boston Market for me.
So I am alone, if you care for the company of a copper who is not doing much this Thanksgiving, send an email. I've been on medical for months but am getting better.
Best wishes, 25 year copper
email: police@cxq.com
Who cares about Captains, it's 100%Clout Merit Appointment.
Let the XO's work from 1900 to 0400
when the District Commander is off.
CPD needs Police Officers and Sergeants in District Patrol Now.
11/19/2011 12:50:00 PM
If they haven't retired by now, 1900 to 0400 hrs. will sure give them the final push. Either way, fuck 'em.
(OT) Read the aviation officers job description they are hiring they make arrests? where?
https://chicago.taleo.net/careersection/100/jobdetail.ftl
i have a suspicion of the the whole XO order. There is no worry because the XO will be there during the night shift. If some problem occurs, they will come out of their office and make a royal decree.
If JFed had done this, SCC would be all over him. Take the gloves off on this new Chump from the east coast. Furthermore, JFed never destroyed our dept like this. If anything just the fact he relaxed our uniforms, AR-15s and got us Glocks was more then any other Supt. did for us. Yeah he screwed up with Cozzi what about what he did for Mettie. Give me a break SCC. This guy is destroying this dept more then anyone. What's right is right.
Who said it is crap? Sounds like a workable plan to me. Change is hard.
I agree, especially no more desk Sgt., when we have one, the P.O.'s do all his/her work anyway, put that Sgt. on the street where they are needed.
Anonymous said...
What most of you with less than 20 yrs. on the job forget is that the City hired a firm some yrs. ago to study the Dept. (Booze & Allan Rpt.)That Rpt. stated that we did not need the rank of Captain, and the captains were bought off or attritioned out. ALL OF THE CURRENT CAPTAINS DID NOT TAKE A TEST FOR THEIR RANK. THE CAPATAINS OF TODAY ARE FOR THE MOST PART POLITICAL HACKS PROMOTED ON CLOUT OR AS A ALTERNATE PRIZE FOR NOT GETTING A GOLD STAR. We have survived without captains in the past and will survive in the future without them. Also note, that there was a time, long ago, when captains were district/precinct commanders. The Department has too many gold stars and if McNutty reduces the top-heavy gold that is draining our pension fund, then he is doing all of us a favor.
11/19/2011 09:08:00 AM
Political hacks, eh? John Farrell, political hack? Gerry Carroll, political hack? While I agree that a number of captains should never have been promoted, some good people were; people who took care of blue shirts. Don't paint them all with one brush and you're saying that they are "for the most part" political hacks doesn't change your implication. If you want to see real "political hacks" don't look at the captains appointed after 1999 ... look at the captains promoted "by exam" in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's. Do you know how heavy you had to be to be a captain then? The current captains don't hold a candle compared to the captains of old when it comes to being "political hacks."
Anonymous said...
So I'm going to have to get my preliminary arrest approved by another P.O., the ones on the desk who think they're a higher pay grade already? What if I refuse to do something they say? We're the same rank right?
11/19/2011 01:09:00 PM
Im pretty sure the desk crew in my district have never made an arrest. And they will be approving? Yeah that sounds about right in this department...nevermind
we need to be more like LA and less like NY city
Talking about big changes I didn't see any changes at city hall. You still have P.Os with less then 10yrs working down there. They look so lost with their hands in their pockets and a bunch of protesters in front of them. Can't wait for May to see what they do then.
Dont really give a damn whos xo, co, latrine orderly. My only concern is the Gold Stars depleting our pension. These exempts need to be returned to their career service rank upon retirement.
In my opinion, the XO crap is not to eliminate the captain rank but to ease the rank of commander out. Eventually there will only be captains and no commanders and the city will save money.
No desk Sgt. is not a very bright idea.
11/19/2011 05:24:00 AM
Most of the time the sgt. is on the street anyway. whats going on in 019 only one sgt working in the district on mids and beat cars down. what kind of police service is that.
Im pretty sure the desk crew in my district have never made an arrest. And they will be approving? Yeah that sounds about right in this department...nevermind
Yeah same for us here in 017 on afternoons. Waldo AKA Canine dumped me, has about hmmm 150 career arrests for 18 years of service.
Anonymous said...
I know who comes up with shit. It's house mouse P.O.'s that never worked the streets and managed to move up in the ranks. Now they call the shots and because they have a little piece of paper from so and so university they think they are qualified to make stupid as business/management decisions. This fucking department is going down hill
11/19/2011 11:35:00 AM
NOT CORRECT
Anonymous said...
The ones who came up with this crap are former members of the NYPD, now on the 5th floor of the soon to be named Public Safety Center.
11/19/2011 12:02:00 PM
CORRECT.
What happens when the acting w/c is a Sgt and that person says to do something to another street Sgt and that street Sgt. Disagrees?? Do they call the Lt, Capt or Cmdr. At home?? I don't care how you draft it, if one Sgt tells another to do something and they both are in disagreement, at the end of the day it's two Sgts arguing? It will happen.
Political hacks, eh? John Farrell, political hack? Gerry Carroll, political hack? While I agree that a number of captains should never have been promoted, some good people were; people who took care of blue shirts. Don't paint them all with one brush and you're saying that they are "for the most part" political hacks doesn't change your implication. If you want to see real "political hacks" don't look at the captains appointed after 1999 ... look at the captains promoted "by exam" in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's. Do you know how heavy you had to be to be a captain then? The current captains don't hold a candle compared to the captains of old when it comes to being "political hacks."
11/19/2011 10:33:00 PM
A 'truer' statement could not be made!!! There were a few 'Big Ball' Captains and Lieutenants that would tell you...they NEVER took a test! Each one of them were BEFORE 1999! More so then than now...this has alway's been the Windy City, and the City of Big Shoulders! TRUE HISTORY... after a decade of no definitive line of supervision, Captains were deemed as tremendously needed... but there was no test in place, and the City didn't want one! The City did not want 'Civil' service Captains because they could not be controlled...many were more powerful than their Lieutenant Commanders... so, they were titled Senior Executive Service (SES) so that the 'powers that be' could dismiss the recalcitrant and rebellious if needed! Many of your current Captains had a 'much richer' resume of service and 'real' police work than several Exempts combined! An appointment to Captain was rationalization... "I don't have anything against him, nor do I bear any grudges. That's why I promoted him to Captain!" Justification for not promoting many that would have made this Department much better!!!
Does everyone remember when they got rid of Captains before? There were literally places where Lieutenants got into a fist fight over who was in charge. Guys would put in a slip and have it approved by one Lt. only to have the other one deny it. People were moved off cars at the whim of one Lt. and put back on at the whim of the other. You can say it does not affect you, but it does!
Have to have one person in charge and another to follow his or her policies. I know there are bad Capts. There are bad PO's too. At least with an asshole boss you know what you're getting and hopefully transfer to get away from them.
Also, anyone with anytime knows there have been about three incidents where and armed gun man has walked into a police station and opened fire. We have had a Sergeant killed this way. will they let us start locking doors to improve security? There have also been numerous times when the desk people have had to arrest assholes in the lobby. Again, some desk people are useless, some are great. Some have been and are the police, some never have and never will be, just like the people who write on this blog. Some are probably great cops. But, if all of you how think you know all the answers think you are good coppers, you need to look in the mirror.
First off, unless all stations are secured and have controlled entry, any desk crew working with less than 3 ARMED officers should be filing a safety grievance. Please remember what happened in a Detroit PD station as well as in 001, 023 and other places where armed deranged individuals entered with the intent to kill people.
Sounds like a lot of folks who are not captains or desk sergeants complaining about what happens to captains and desk sergeants.
In my opinion, the XO crap is not to eliminate the captain rank but to ease the rank of commander out. Eventually there will only be captains and no commanders and the city will save money.
That's a winner !!!!
(circumvents the Gold Braid pension provision too)
>>>Anonymous said...
Who said it is crap? Sounds like a workable plan to me. Change is hard.
I agree, especially no more desk Sgt., when we have one, the P.O.'s do all his/her work anyway, put that Sgt. on the street where they are needed.
11/19/2011 10:18:00 PM<<<
Then you, and the sergeants you work with don't know how to run a desk operation.
A sergeant is a supervisor and much of what he/she does is checking the work of others and maintaining an orderly flow of that work.
We DO need more sergeants on the street. To do that we need to promote some competent people. To do that we need to hire some competent people and that's not happening .
AND
>>>Anonymous said...
We will lose more in lawsuits from poor supervision than we will ever save from this. But Rahm will be on to his next gig and the Sup will be back to New York, so no big whoop.
11/19/2011 12:39:00 AM<<<
We will lose more, just pray and vote and work to get rid of this bully and Obama in the next election.
we need to be more like LA and less like NY city
I think YOU should go to LA.
I heard the third watch cleaning lady will handle all I Bonds and type A accidents.
11/19/2011 06:30:00 AM
LOLOLOLOL!!! I needed that laugh..this is too funny. Looking at the way things are going, it's not far fetched!
Mcturd is now referring to citizens as customers. And he wants them to evaluate our service like we are fucking Walmart.
So tell me sir, Did the officer at least smile at you as he shot you for pointing a gun at him? Did the Officer stroke your hair and comort you after you got the fuck tazed out of you?
Next we will be ringing doorbells asking if there are any chores that need to be done.
can see it now.... Reginald peaking his head out of the door stating... Now make show you put 2 coats a wax on dat mufugga?
This is what education has won us?
11/19/2011 07:53:00 AM
This is not a warm and fuzzy job and it's not meant for us to be all warm fuzzy to people. We're supposed to be neutral with everyone. This is some dumb shit.
1 sworn p.o. on the desk. RIIIGGHT.
Let me get this straight this 1 p.o. will be doing what was formerly the desk Sgt.'s job along with what is the desk officers job but they'll get no more money? They're expected to answer the phones, do reports for walk ins , control the salley port, bond out prisoners, get prisoners ready for court and supervise the civilians all for the pay they already get? Fuck that.
Where are they going to get all these civilians? They aren't currently on the payroll.
This will never work.
11/19/2011 08:07:00 PM
I work the desk and wouldn't do this shit. Put me on a car.
Who will be proving security for the police station if all officers are ordered on the street and civilians run the station?
11/19/2011 02:49:00 PM
Good question. Looks like the so-called "building manager" & bonding officer. This is going to be interesting.
How many Great guys are still wearing a blue shirt that were passed over by our current merit captain & command staff that were never promoted in rank order ?
I love how everyone bitches about we dont need a Sgt on the desk or a watch commander. Its not about the rank dumb ass its about the city fucking coppers out of money.
Less Sgts needed less cops getting promoted. Less Dets needed less cops getting promoted. Face it the odds were high before you would ever see a promotion. They just got worse if this shit happens.
The only ones getting fucked are the blue shirts. The white shirts got the pay already, and yea its bullshit they are getting rid of Capts ( going from 75 in the budget it agout 40 ) because thats 30 more cops not getting promoted. Dumb asses
Mcturd is now referring to citizens as customers.
11/19/2011 07:53:00 AM
Yeah, well, then shut the fuck up and get me a hoagie. If you are quick about it, I won't do a torn pocket about you on some service review blog. Joyzee Show says the customer is always right.
Afterwards, snatch Shaniquanita on her outstanding PCS warrant so I can visit her slam while she sits in the cell. Chop, chop, mother fucker! Don't make me wait. I'll get pissed and you don't want to see me snap.
Love you all,
Tanyatta
Soon To Be A Satisfied Customer
(Booze & Allan Rpt.)
11/19/2011 09:08:00 AM
The bane of the consulting firm is simply Booz Allen (actually Booz Allen Hamilton) and I doubt you read the study or heard anything other than tavern gossip about it; you can't even spell the firm's name.
If JFed had done this, SCC would be all over him. Take the gloves off on this new Chump from the east coast. Furthermore, JFed never destroyed our dept like this. If anything just the fact he relaxed our uniforms, AR-15s and got us Glocks was more then any other Supt. did for us. Yeah he screwed up with Cozzi what about what he did for Mettie. Give me a break SCC. This guy is destroying this dept more then anyone. What's right is right.
11/19/2011 10:16:00 PM
hate to agree but j-fed did seem like he wanted to do stuff for us. mcpuppet just is doing whatever rahm wants. i have a feeling j-fed said to rahm, "no i cant do that" and was sent on his way.
I love how everyone bitches about we dont need a Sgt on the desk or a watch commander. Its not about the rank dumb ass its about the city fucking coppers out of money.
Fuck, finally someone gets it.
Anonymous said...
What happens when the acting w/c is a Sgt and that person says to do something to another street Sgt and that street Sgt. Disagrees?? Do they call the Lt, Capt or Cmdr. At home?? I don't care how you draft it, if one Sgt tells another to do something and they both are in disagreement, at the end of the day it's two Sgts arguing? It will happen.
11/20/2011 07:39:00 AM
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Yes, this is exaclty what happened when the city in its wisdom tried to eliminate Captains before, only that time it was Lieutenants nearly coming to blows. It was so bad in some districts that none of the 3 lieutenants would speak directly to one another. There were at least severl time when the ADS on duty or the District Commander had to be called to settle differences. It took a few years to figure out that this was a bad idea.
Anoother thing that most of you do not recognixe, or maybe simply do not want to recognize, is that with command comes authority and responsibility. I know you can easily say most Captains are assholes as well as most Lieutenants, BUT one of their primary reasons for being a Watch Commander is to ensure compliance by subordinates with rules, regulation, orders and most importantly the law. Why do you think they approve Cprbable Cause on ARrest Reports? It is t make sure that none of you are falsly or improperly arresting someone, or if you are that you are not indicting yourself in the narrative. I certainly would not do that job for the pay of a P.O. or even the pay of a Sergeant. If you want somebody to have that authority and to take that responsibility train him for it and pay him for it, and I don't mean out of grade pay. Just in case most of you are not aware, the Watch Commander oftentimes has to make some pretty serious decisions, some times protectin a P.O., and some times accusing one. That is why they are there. Now if we could only convince all the Captains and Lieutenants as well of the Superintendent of that.
I saw the drafts, It is not "1 sworn on the desk", but only 1 sworn SUPERVISOR, the number of PO's isn't changed by these Orders. Just going from 2 supervisors inside to 1 inside.
I saw the drafts, It is not "1 sworn on the desk", but only 1 sworn SUPERVISOR, the number of PO's isn't changed by these Orders. Just going from 2 supervisors inside to 1 inside.
11/21/2011 04:22:00 PM
Well that makes it a little more plausible. The current contract allows for at least 2 bidded desk persons per watch throughout the city. Would be 1 massive grievance if they attempted the 1 sworn on the desk.
XO's will be assigned to hours when District Commander is off
1930 to 0430hrs . This is the busiest hours of CPD and we need the XO's available.
I read the BooZe Allen report. It was well done. They did interviews of many police officer and supervisors and took recommendations from police agencies around the country. Why more of it was never implemented is beyond me, but I suspect political reasons. What goes on here in Chicago does not go on in any other city in the country, as far as I can tell and I have studied police administration for many years. The best thing that could happen to the CPD is the program of credentialing. The city started to do this in the early 80's, but then found out it would take most of the politics out of the department so they shitcanned the project . I hate to say it, but I have never found the CPD to have the best interests of its members in their hearts. Any retired member could tell you story after story of poor working conditions in almost every facit and area. And, no one gave a shit if you complained.
I really hate to see anyone lose their jobs; but let's face it, did you really think yo'd ever get promoted without any inside tract in this corrupt dept? I'm sorry, you have a Phd, masters, top of the class, but for some reason, you just don't test well with cpd! Furthermore, desk sgt. did nothing. They are not bid, played computer games and the poor po did it all. Any desk office knows that much.
I really hate to see anyone lose their jobs; but let's face it, did you really think yo'd ever get promoted without any inside tract in this corrupt dept? I'm sorry, you have a Phd, masters, top of the class, but for some reason, you just don't test well with cpd! Furthermore, desk sgt. did nothing. They are not bid, played computer games and the poor po did it all. Any desk office knows that much.
Don't paint with such a wide brush. I've worked for desk sgt.'s that have done very little and expected me to do most of their work. I've also worked for very good desk sgt.'s who had no problem doing everything required of them.
I don't agree with doing away with the desk sgt. If they're insistent on doing that then the officer who assumes the role of the desk sgt. should be paid out of grade.
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