Grievance Lost?
Can anyone confirm? We can't seem to find it on the FOP site:
- The FOP has lost the first portion of the abritration grievance to the cancelation of the 5th period furloughs.
The word is they are not going to fight it.
Anyone with the decision?
Labels: from the comments, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:07 PM
122 Comments:
Are you surprised its not on their website. Unions usually dont inform their membership when they lose, only when they win. If true on this grieveance, they can say its not over there is a second half, so there was no reason to post this
Did you go to the FOP meeting Tuesday? If you had you would have heard what they had to say about it.
If this is true, you can kiss away summer furloughs based upon pre-planned events like the Taste, The Jazz Fest, etc. etc.
It figures........ This new FOP group is just a go along gang anyway....
The grievance guy Rich Aguilar refused 2 of my grievances becuase it would cost money *1,800* for arbitration.
What a fukn joke.
Hey. I voted for Paschke.
Good job people... Bella would not have let this happen... Hows that hope and change working for ya?
This is pretty clear: Dept decides when furloughs are available. Interestingly, here is 29A.4, Union says in 2012 with Sunday as change day, you can extend in front and in back of your segment. The contract says: "OR". Think FOP could be wrong AGAIN?
Section 29A.3
Furlough shall be selected in accordance with this Agreement and procedure subject to operational needs, and approved individual furlough days may be taken by officers so requesting at the discretion of the Department.
Section 29A.4
Furlough may be extended at the request of an officer with the approval of the Department by the use of any accumulated compensatory time, baby furlough days, personal days and individual furlough days. A furlough extension is defined as the Sunday through Wednesday prior to the start of a furlough or the Thursday through Saturday at the completion of the furlough.
Why fight it and waste our money ,
it's an emergency . We're all Police Officers , not girl scouts.
When duty calls , CPD comes first.
Now go tell your Mommy you can't go to Disney with her , hairgel.
The FOP has got to fight tooth and nail with this asshole mayor and superintendent we have. If u don't challenge their every move they're going to pancake us.
I told you when it first came out it was a loser. The Union just grieved it to cover there buts and they could say they tried everything they could. They knew they would lose. Article 4 and the Furlo Section...read it.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-chicago-cops-among-15-indicted-on-federal-gang-racketeering-charges-latin-kings-20111118,0,166720.story
Why wouldn't they fight it?
Merit captains can't work days , so they sell out to become executive officers .
How many of CPD current captains ever passed a promtional exam and were promoted without the merit process???
a. 2
b. 3
c. 5
d.none of the above
Why, why, is our union letting the city do what ever they want to do.. Everything that they are changing is written on our contract. Yet they could get away with. I brought a quick suggestion, let's strike, and someone said no you can't do that its in our contract. Well if the city can change whatever they want why can't we....
the grievence committee must have withdrawn the grievence, like they did my 3,all 100% winnable
Anonymous said...
Why fight it and waste our money ,
it's an emergency . We're all Police Officers , not girl scouts.
When duty calls , CPD comes first.
Now go tell your Mommy you can't go to Disney with her , hairgel.
11/18/2011 02:41:00 PM
An Emergency? LOL A heart attack is an emergency. A jumper is an emergency. A car crash with injuries is an emergency. a 10-1 is an emergency. A protest planned over 365 days in advance? Please. Smack yourself for me.
Blame the FOP? Not this time for me at least. Anyone that thought this was going to be a win was kidding themselves. All you have to look at are videos from previous G8 and Nato summits. A reasonable person, and again just my opinion, would say there is going to a lot of problems with these hippster dufus's
Anonymous said...
Why, why, is our union letting the city do what ever they want to do.. Everything that they are changing is written on our contract. Yet they could get away with. I brought a quick suggestion, let's strike, and someone said no you can't do that its in our contract. Well if the city can change whatever they want why can't we....
11/18/2011 04:25:00 PM
I agree with the strike argument; however, a union cannot be held responsible for this... they took it to the arbitor, who ruled. Be pissed at HIM, not the union.... I am not a fan of the union- think it has outlived its usefulness. I call it as I see it, and this is the arbitor's fault...
Said this earlier, they re-write the General Order beforehand and it's a done deal. Remember Jpud tried to circumvent the Contract and was DENIED because The Order stated otherwise, and an addendum followed. I can't recall the issue but I think it was to reallocate po's unit of assignment.
So it can be done. Contract language also uses the phrase "may", as in 'the Dept. may' deem a preplanned event as an emergency.
Looks like they found a way to screw us again.
Besides that, the City will and has broken many contracts, we will be disappointed.
This is pretty clear: Dept decides when furloughs are available. Interestingly, here is 29A.4, Union says in 2012 with Sunday as change day, you can extend in front and in back of your segment. The contract says: "OR". Think FOP could be wrong AGAIN?
Section 29A.3
Furlough shall be selected in accordance with this Agreement and procedure subject to operational needs, and approved individual furlough days may be taken by officers so requesting at the discretion of the Department.
Section 29A.4
Furlough may be extended at the request of an officer with the approval of the Department by the use of any accumulated compensatory time, baby furlough days, personal days and individual furlough days. A furlough extension is defined as the Sunday through Wednesday prior to the start of a furlough or the Thursday through Saturday at the completion of the furlough.
11/18/2011 02:15:00 PM
So is the FOP stupid? The city changed the operational calendar in violation of our contract? Can someone who knows look into this???
It's True
CMON GUYS REALLY!
DUTY AVAILABILITY?
YEA JUST SOME WORDS IN A CONTRACT.
IF THEY FOUGHT THIS THEY WERE PUTTING ON A SHOW FOR US.
LOOK BACK AND FIGURE HOW MUCH DUTY AVAILABILITY U HAVE CASHED IN.
IF THE CITY WANTED TROOPS ALL THEY HAD TO DO IS MAKE IT LIKE SPECIAL EMPLOYMENT WITH THE FEDERAL MONEY THEY POCKET FOR THE G-8 SUMMIT.
SOMETIMES COMMON SENSE FLIES OUT THE WINDOW.
29A3 is based on the operational needs of the department, not based soley on 1 event also not the stupidity of a moron with 9.5 digits who shouldnt be mayor anyway
OT: Tact Lt's gone XO taking over as one of the duties and taking the LT's office. It will be the XO's office
to the person who had his 2 grievenvces and any others who had them withdrawn Id like to hear from you because I fell victim also P.O Carlos Ramirez 013 2nd watch 312-746-8350. Ibelieve an action must be taken,we pay to be represent just as much as anyone else.
Article up on FOP site now (18NOV)
regarding the arbitration...If you can get through the POP UP for text alerts EVERY TIME you visit the home page. Not to mention several 404 Errors when you clickie on the 'read more' stuff at the top.
Remember K.I.S.S. all you wannabe programmers.
ot>so what happens when mrs. daley passes,does she get a police and fire honor guard detail at tax payer expense?
I agree with the above poster. So what if the contract say you can't strike. The city routinely and as a matter of course, breaks the contract without care.
What are they going to do if we strike? Call the police and lock us up? Fire us and let all of the recruits in the academy take our place?
I have even heard from some of the sgts that they would be willing to consider a strike, too. So, if the blue shirts walkout and the frontline supervisors refuse to work then what?
Sounds like the making of a movie: A (Few) Day(s) Without the Police. I think such a movie would be a thriller.
Are you surprised its not on their website. Unions usually dont inform their membership when they lose, only when they win. If true on this grieveance, they can say its not over there is a second half, so there was no reason to post this
11/18/2011 12:0
What point are you trying to make with your grammarically convoluted post? Your prose reads like so many of the case reports I try not to read, or kick back, these days. To much grammar school, not enough of anything else? It's illiterates such as you that are the problem with the FOP, the Department, and society.
Grievance is not loss, people. An arbitrator is not yet assigned.
If True DECERTIFY NOW!!!! Fuk them and the dues the get for what! We need a union
The question no one is asking is, " If our city/state are so POOR, who in his right mind would INVITE the destruction into the city and WHY?
Did you go to the FOP meeting Tuesday? If you had you would have heard what they had to say about it
MEETING? How about a press conf with the 80K Orange One. Meeting my ass just an excuse. The meetings are a joke. FLOP is nothing but a punk that has laid down with the city for years. Wonder why we have so many problems. The few that were great at FLOP like Timmy Fallon are gone to God.
Why fight it and waste our money ,
it's an emergency . We're all Police Officers , not girl scouts.
When duty calls , CPD comes first.
Now go tell your Mommy you can't go to Disney with her , hairgel.
-GREAT ATTITUDE Ahole you miss the point guess you don't have a wedding to go to or a kids grad. I'm sure your right on the Frontlines too u sound like FLOP FLOP
It's not about being tough, it's about get paid OT for working a canceled furlough. The city doesn't want to pay us what they have to by contract, that is why they canceled the 5B and 5. Just
the City screwing us out of money,
what else is new.
Just to clarify a few things we can't strike its againt the law, the city can cancel furloughs for an emergency, and not everyone can make the union meetings. Oh and bella didn't do shit for us the last union constantly screwed us.
Now Rahm is saying all of the tax hikes in the City are going to be used up by pensions. Well didn't the City not even pay into any City pension for the last 4 years? I still say it's political propaganda designed to screw the average city employee. Not to mention our pension fund is a completely different entity then the rest of the city.
More bullshit to come and the media in the end is going to be the final nail in the coffin.
>>>Anonymous said...
The FOP has got to fight tooth and nail with this asshole mayor and superintendent we have. If u don't challenge their every move they're going to pancake us.
11/18/2011 02:48:00 PM<<<
Fight them tooth and nail...
ON ELECTION DAY!
If only 23% of Cops vote that is a big part of our problem is that they don't treat us like a viable voting block.
That should change immediately.
I tried to Google the next Election Day for mayor and got no results. Maybe the date has not been set or published.
Stay Safe, Register and Vote.
Make them FEAR US!
None of the above :..Ans those guys Retired.
on another side note, during the nation wide roundup of gang members linked to murders and drug dealing two Chicago police officers, one retired and one who was arrested while at area 4 occurred this week. What thefuck is going on. Channel 7 reported that the p.o did traffic stops of rival gangs and robbed them of their money.
I demand to see the account balance of all the city rainy day funds!
I bet it's in the 10's of billions....
And don't forget about theTIF funds Rahm only gives to his connected friends....
Its all BS
Did you go to the FOP meeting Tuesday? If you had you would have heard what they had to say about it.
I can sum it up without even going to an FlOP meeting. BULLSHIT!
Why, why, is our union letting the city do what ever they want to do.. Everything that they are changing is written on our contract
Class action law suit. But coppers have no balls and dont stick together. We could join forces with CFD. Thats alot of signatures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhQCpXM-Sm4&feature=share
Merit captains can't work days , so they sell out to become executive officers .
Signed, a disgruntled Lt. who's whack didn't come through for him to be a Capt.
Why fight it and waste our money ,
it's an emergency . We're all Police Officers , not girl scouts.
When duty calls , CPD comes first.
Now go tell your Mommy you can't go to Disney with her , hairgel.
11/18/2011 02:41:00 PM
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Your a BOZO!
Go read your F.O.P. Contract! If we don't stick up for the union and against this crappy city now than when will we?!
The main point about "this issue" is that this is NOT an emergency but a preplanned, volunteer stunt so that Rahm can look good for the Democratic Party!
This is just for Rahm when he seeks higher office at Police expense! Rahm has already shown utter contempt against the Police!
No different than Daley going for the goofy, stupid, waste of money, Olympics! It was for "Daley legacy" and thats it!
We are just servents for these assholes Politicians!
FUCK RAHM!
Da Pelon
We aint gonna win this one, and to tell you the truth, maybe they know something we don't, like the fact that even these "occupy wallstreet" protesters are getting more and more violent. What do you think they have planned for the G-8?! It could be a disaster in the making, as we speak they are getting ready for all kinds of headaches for us. It aint going to be pretty, and i see us being out there for not only the G-8 assholes, but occupy nuts, and any other group the OBAMA organization puts out there to cause chaos.
*11/18/2011 04:19 Merit captains sell out to become executive officer* WRONG FYI, Nearly all of the Capts don't want the XO spot, they know it's an early stage screwing by the Dept. The ones pushing it or who are willing to accept it are the ones who believe the Dept spin that it's the fast track to a cmnd spot. Most of the Capts know it’s the Dept way of eliminating the rank of Capt & the only way they can avoid paying Lts out of grade pay for performing watch cmdr duties. The Dept is scrambling to get this done because of the gross understaffing of Lts & Sgts. They can’t promote sgts because they will have to then promote dets & they are trying to hold off on all promotions to fill the budget deficit. More in netc post
The Depts main pitch man is the cmdr at Mgmt Labor Affairs. He called a secret meeting with a group of Capt, most of which were the ones who put in applications to be cmdr. The Dept knows they have these guys in pocket since they are desperate to be cmdrs & know they can’t see beyond their quest for gold. The Capt reading this know who you are. At the secret meeting the desperate ones were told they are going to be fast-tracked, they are going to get Unit spots, they MIGHT get cars & why would they want to stay on the watch as Capt and have to do all that watch cmdr stuff like watch balancing, dealing with that nonsense when they can all have this alleged great spot. They were all told that they have to go back & really sell this in order to carry it off, so the few that still believe the lies of the MLA cmdr are the only ones pushing it. They are only the few & not the many. The Capt Union was told they won’t be getting cars, & only a couple will be going to units, but those who went to the secret meeting say no, they told us we will be so we must be true. Not only were they told they will get cars & blackberries, but they were never told that they are going to be losing ALL of their holidays, since they will all be considered non-essential personnel & will be mandated off. That is a $5000 pay cut off the top & they will also not be allowed OT. The secrete ones were never told that, the Dept. just blew smoke to get them to comply. I was told there’s been a CR generated against the MLA Cmdr & an unfair labor practice has been or is being filed based on the secret meeting & some threats that have come out because of the majority of the Capt refusing to go along with this. There are a few cmdrs who have bitten from the poison apple, & a few capt, only four of the ones who met in secret that also have or who are nibbling at it, but most say no Fu^&* way. It’s a feverish attempt by the Dept to set a series of things in motion to cut all the way down to PO through denial of promotion opportunities & to force out all of the Capt when they discover by accepting the XO program they were lied to and screwed & they all pull the plug. Those who don’t pull the plug can give up the XO spot but will have to go back to Lt because the rank of Capt will have intentionally been eliminated. And, since they accepted a merit spot, they will have been losing seniority in the rank of Lt so they will go back with reduced seniority. The Dept intends to eliminate a rank & expects or intends for the XO program to fail. They will stop filling those spots and while doing that think they have found a way to permanently stop paying Lts out of grade. Most of the Capt see this; there are only 4-5 who are talking it up. Their Union is planning to refuse it, but the City & the Dept are going to do it anyway, but they will lose it in court. Just like everything else we are going through right now, this is going to take a couple of years to straighten out. The court will overturn the Dept illegal activity & order changes, so once we get rid of McWhatever you want to call him & slowly unscrew everything he let City hall screw up we can start to right the ship as best as we can. Watch the Cmdr of MLA now, his spot is slipping away, he was supposed to get this done under the radar & without a challenge. NOT!
If everyone knows that there WILL BE dangerous fires in May, do you think it might be a good idea to cancel the firefighters furloughs so the city can be safe?
Same thing with the G8. Man up, people!
Fraternal Order of Police Chicago Lodge #7
Current Update
November 18, 2011
5th Period Grievance Update
The Lodge has received a few calls inquiring about the status of the class action grievance that was filed when the Department issued Department Notice D11-14. This Department Notice excluded furlough selections for a full 5th or split 5B furlough.
The status of this grievance is as follows: The Lodge has not been able to secure an arbitration date or come to an agreement as to which arbitrator will preside over the arbitration hearing. Any rumors to the contrary are completely false.
Recognized Vacancies
The Lodge has been notified by the Management and Labor Affairs Section that there will not be any recognized vacancies posted for the 13th Police Period.
OFF Topice ISFA Comisky Park Shakeup Daley Nephew out..... Well Careful JimBo Blacer 11th Ward Aldercreature wants In! When the other Daley Nephew wants his seat in the city council. Balcer wants the 100K a year job and all the perks of free tickets and the sky box. Shame on you Jimbo Balcer ya big marine faker-Semper Fido
"We're all Police Officers , not girl scouts."
That's right. The Girl Scouts have adult leadership.
Drink the Kool Aid and shut up.
Merit captains can't work days , so they sell out to become executive officers .
How many of CPD current captains ever passed a promtional exam and were promoted without the merit process???
a. 2
b. 3
c. 5
d.none of the above
You must have just gotten on. The Dept does what it wants. Again, do you think anyone has a choice when the department wants to change something? Do you realy think Captains want to be acting D/C without out of grade? Do you realy think Lts want to be "Station Supervisors" (the same as watch commanders) without out of grade? Do you really think any bid officer wants to be the "Station Supervisoer" just because they have the desk bid without out of grade? Nobody has a choice. Its your job descrirption the Dept is changing and thats that. Grievance will possibly get retro pay but going forward the Dept gets their way.
"it's an emergency"
It's NOT an emergency.
They (the city) ASKED for it.
The, (the city) "planned" for it.
An emergency is an foreseen occurrence or situation.
A situation that occurs that is out of you control.
Tornadoes, floods, electrical power outages, earthquakes, the 9/11 murders are examples of emergencies.
You don't ask for and plan for a situation an call it an emergency.
"Bad planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."
How's that CFD Fire Captain investigation going?
Are the firemen back at work yet so the investigators can interview them?
Today's what...Nov 18th!
aguilar has always been a jagoff, you gels are just finding out.... but anyway ... looks like Maurer was right Chicago claimed the title of "WORST AIRPORT IN THE NATION." HEARD IT ON FOX,,, prior to their gushing rham love fest. His latest stupidity was when he said that his most sobering reality is that little black kids look at him with no hope in their eyes. Maybe if he undid everything that daley did and brought back the money that his family and friends stole he could probably give everyone in Englewood 100 grand so they could move out of this cesspool. I hope the G8 is a roaring success and they take it right to city hall.
Did you go to the FOP meeting Tuesday? If you had you would have heard what they had to say about it.
11/18/2011 12:19:00 PM
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No, but I did pay my dues this month. So, does the FOP only have to tell people standing on their doorstep, or can they join the 21st century and post it on their fucking website?
To much grammar school, not enough of anything else? It's illiterates such as you that are the problem with the FOP, the Department, and society.
Too much Grammar School, and not enough of any other.
It's the illiterate few, such as yourself, that cause the majority of the problems within the F.O.P., the Police Department, and our Society - such as it is.
Good job people... Bella would not have let this happen... Hows that hope and change working for ya?
11/18/2011 02:11:00 PM
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Because Bella would have won the grievance!!
The ultimate shithead response: If the opposite person was in power, the result would be opposite.
Sheer ignorance. The kind of stupidity that's bred more than learned.
http://tinyurl.com/8458nks
Illinois water plant gets hacked. Pumps turned off.
Anonymous said...
Good job people... Bella would not have let this happen... Hows that hope and change working for ya?
11/18/2011 02:11:00 PM
Please stop your b.s. Getting old.
remember firefighters went on strike
You guys are talking like a bunch of puss---. If I was a civilian reading this blog I would think we are scared of something. We are suppose to be the police, remember!!! We all know it's an emergency because we don't have the manpower to handle it and the G8 is coming regardless, period. So what would you like for us to do be shorter handed, and heaven please don't let some coppers get hurt or worse because we are short!!! Or go there handle our business and fight a battle with Rahm that we can win.. You wonder why people are against us, listen to us crying about something that is going to happen regardless and last what,about a week. So lets' get over this and get together and fight the battles we can win!!!
I'm just saying...
and always remember stay safe....
The city is THE EMPLOYER!
YOU are the EMPLOYEE!
In every case, the city is likely to get what they want. If the city needs the employee to do something, then unless it is clearly outside the contract, the city will get what it wants.
If the employee wants something from the city, then it had better be in clear black and white in the contract and not based on the meaning of "an emergency". If the city wants something from the employee, it will almost always get unless the contract expressly forbids it in writing and intent.
If you think you can win by bending the meaning of the contract, then you are an idiot who will bankrupt your own union arbitrating hopeless causes.
Remember, every time you arbitrate anything, you are much more likely to lose than to win.
The idiot masses will arbitrate everything. The wise will choose their battles. But, since the idiots far outnumber the wise, it is clear this "union" is doomed.
-someone who actually fucking knows employment law
Get over the Maurer was right about the airport, blah, blah, blah....he did NOTHING about it when he was there and decided to say something about it once he lost his high-paying job for trying to bully a woman! He always has been and always will be, an ugly & bitter JAGOFF!
Sad to think about all the old-timers that fought hard to get what the CPD has only to have this asshole mayor to disregard and walk all over it
OT: Tact Lt's gone XO taking over as one of the duties and taking the LT's office. It will be the XO's office
Not happening, the city can use and abuse Tactical Lt's however they please, they would never give up that spot, it's in their best interest to keep it.
Regarding, "The Capt reading this know who you are."
Which ever Captain keeps posting the bullshit about a "Secret" meeting is a mush, and is probably pissed off that he was not invited.
Also, stay off the blog, you are an illiterate person that evidently was merit starting at Sergeant, since you cannot spell or put a sentence together.
Did you go to the FOP meeting Tuesday? If you had you would have heard what they had to say about it
MEETING? How about a press conf with the 80K Orange One. Meeting my ass just an excuse. The meetings are a joke. FLOP is nothing but a punk that has laid down with the city for years. Wonder why we have so many problems. The few that were great at FLOP like Timmy Fallon are gone to God.
That's my point. Mike Shields can't make one clear sentence. He stumbles and stammers through every meeting. More people need to go and call this jag out.
5th Period Grievance Update
The Lodge has received a few calls inquiring about the status of the class action grievance that was filed when the Department issued Department Notice D11-14. This Department Notice excluded furlough selections for a full 5th or split 5B furlough.
The status of this grievance is as follows: The Lodge has not been able to secure an arbitration date or come to an agreement as to which arbitrator will preside over the arbitration hearing. Any rumors to the contrary are completely false.
I dont think the Losge has anything to hang its hat on
The Dept has the right for operational needs or actually for any other reason not to allow furlos whenever it wants
As long as it grants furlos or other wise compensate affected members
do the math Shields never had to file a grievance because of His clouted Lt daddy! You have been dupped by this Trojan Horse.... suckers
Did you go to the FOP meeting Tuesday? If you had you would have heard what they had to say about it.
11/18/2011 12:19:00 PM
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No, but I did pay my dues this month. So, does the FOP only have to tell people standing on their doorstep, or can they join the 21st century and post it on their fucking website?
Amen I work so stop the meeting Bullshit DECERTIFY U meeting that
If only 23% of Cops vote that is a big part of our problem is that they don't treat us like a viable voting block.
No just FLOP they are not on our side never have been
Ok, if this is an "emergency" it should be accepted as a reason to pull out my deferred comp.
Anonymous said...
Why fight it and waste our money ,
it's an emergency . We're all Police Officers , not girl scouts.
When duty calls , CPD comes first.
Now go tell your Mommy you can't go to Disney with her , hairgel.
11/18/2011 02:41:00 PM
And your true softness has been revealed. You may think we are not as tough as your mommy thinks you are, but the fact is we are to be paid time and a half for working our furlough whether it be an, "emergency" or not. This is contactual and not for someone to define an "emergency" 10 months away, just to save money. I have no problem working this event, but once we give and inch they city will ten miles. The arbitrator has been influenced by big money many times and is about as fair as the Zeta Cartel. Check out our last contract.
07:38 Grow up and see the real world. Its your job to be out there with the protesters. These are wimps, are you blind , at least half of them are women. What would happen if you ever had to face real rioters and protesters that wanted to hurt you.
Besides rumor has it some of the front office dollies maybe be out there so thats another 250 officers. If your scared look at this video and see what some officers had to contend with and had no protective equipment or training. And the c968 convention was just as bad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kyNvEsQxns
after almost 15 years, plotting my exit, new town, new agency. This town is DONE! Something's gotta give. We're gonna lose on pensions, pay, and all the while these criminals and hypocrites who give us our orders continue to take what little teeth and hands we have left for the coming fight: The summits, the rise in crime, the continuing demoralization, and, the need to doubt our backup either because it's not there, not willing, or already on the other team...
OT: U.S. probes cyber attack on water system
Federal investigators are looking into a report that hackers managed to remotely shut down a utility's water pump in central Illinois last week, in what could be the first known foreign cyber attack on a U.S. industrial system.
http://news.yahoo.com/u-investigates-cyber-attack-water-system-201719205.html
commander of mlas had weiss bullsh-
i think mccarthy is on to his bs
he'll be an xo soon
Ok isn't there suppose to be another Russian summit right after g8 they'll be doing this all summer geez
Da Pelon
11/18/2011 07:13:00 PM
Um...yeah...says it on the car...'Serve and Protect'
All you idiots that voted for shields more than likely voted democratic in the last presidential election too.
Caught up in the spin...never looking at experience, or lack thereof.
Keep up the good work Mike.
No one knew the rules , contract, and labor laws like Pleines.
Great move letting him go....
Merit captains can't work days , so they sell out to become executive officers
Wrong! The Captains union is not going along with this at all! the city on the other hand is, regardless of what the Union thinks; the union will then file an unfair labor practice grievance and see where it will go from there, then the Lts. will also file. It is going to be messy. The only way the city may try to avoid a mess is to do the XO thing on a trial basis in some selected districts using Tac lts. as XO's (against their wishes of course) and then more grievances will follow. Hang on for a wild ride!
WE DO NOT HAVE A UNION. It is the Fraternal Order of Police. The word "Union" does not appear in the title for a reason. It is not a union. Since by law we can not strike or use any type of "job action" at best the FOP is a collective bargaining unit on our behalf. The only teeth that the FOP has is to go to arbitration where some political hack is going to decide what we get anyway. So please stop referring to the FOP as a union!
Guess what?I dont give a fuck about the captains. Its a merit spot...period. I care about blue shits and sergants. The front line and backbone of this shit department.
I brought a quick suggestion, let's strike, and someone said no you can't do that its in our contract. Well if the city can change whatever they want why can't we....
The no strike is not a contract issue. After the CFD did it back in the 80's the politicians-Lawyers pushed a federal law through. The law makes it a federal crime for a sworn member of CPD or CFD to strike. So we have no power because of this federal law.
Shields is not gonna say or do anything to piss off the Ballerina..Shields is hot air and blustery bullshit..He conned and scammed his way to get elected as FOP president.If there is a way to impeach this lying softball,we should find it,before Shields gives away everything we have.
Dear 5:37 PM,
Decertify? Really? With Rahm as mayor? Are you insane? Decertify the union and the contract becomes void and we'll start over again from square one!!
That means - just so your pea sized brain can understand - new salary, new benefits, new discipline rules, new rules/amounts of vacation, new bidding rules, new rules about overtime, new medical policy, new everything.
That my friend would be a gift to Rahm. Everything decades of police officer have fought for, will be lost.
I'm not a huge fan of the fop either but decertification would hand your future to 9.5. Don't even think about it.
The no strike is not a contract issue. After the CFD did it back in the 80's the politicians-Lawyers pushed a federal law through. The law makes it a federal crime for a sworn member of CPD or CFD to strike. So we have no power because of this federal law.
11/19/2011 04:12:00 AM
Quit smoking that pot, will ya?
This is BULLSHIT! There is no Federal law ragarding a no strike rule. It is contractual. Read your contract and you'll find it.
His clouted Lt daddy! You have been dupped by this Trojan Horse.... suckers
SAYs IT ALL
What point are you trying to make with your grammarically convoluted post? Your prose reads like so many of the case reports I try not to read, or kick back, these days. To much grammar school, not enough of anything else? It's illiterates such as you that are the problem with the FOP, the Department, and society.
11/18/2011 05:24:00 PM
Hey asshat...what is this word 'grammarically' that you speak of? You must get paid by the comma given the extra (improper) ones in your comment.
Which ever Captain keeps posting the bullshit about a "Secret" meeting is a mush, and is probably pissed off that he was not invited
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You clearly are clueless. There was a meeting, it was called a 'focus group' which is why only a few captains were called, and all called are short-listed for commander so you tell me - are they going to go against what the bosses at hq want if they are staring at promotions?
We got this thing cuz Rahm made a deal with Obama..... I'll send my SEIU minions to get you elected and you host the G8/NATO summit.
This city is now the property of Obama.
KULBIDA IN 007 WANTS THIS XO SPOT!he can taste a commander spot!
BELLA vs SHIELDS
Both are useless. Bella only came around election time and did nothing special. Shields is showing his true lack of power as well. But at least we know Shields isn't in the city's back pocket. Remember those kick ass raises on that 4 year contract we got?!?!??!
It's all a joke- milk the overtime at g8, watch your ass and each others and go home to your family and then retire when possible. Enough said.
According to what I'm hearing, the Capts union gave the city a list of 5 things they wanted in exchange for going along with the XO order. City supposedly told them we are doing it anyway, so take your demands and go scratch.
Anonymous said...
I agree with the above poster. So what if the contract say you can't strike. The city routinely and as a matter of course, breaks the contract without care.
What are they going to do if we strike? Call the police and lock us up? Fire us and let all of the recruits in the academy take our place?
I have even heard from some of the sgts that they would be willing to consider a strike, too. So, if the blue shirts walkout and the frontline supervisors refuse to work then what?
Sounds like the making of a movie: A (Few) Day(s) Without the Police. I think such a movie would be a thriller.
11/18/2011 05:21:00 PM
Well you did take an oath, and a strike would be a direct violation of that oath, if anybody cares about such things any more. On a practical level you should remember 2 things, first the air traffic controllers in 1981; second the fact that public employees are unpopular as it is, but a strike would make it worse. You may say you dan't give a shit about what thepublic thinks, but remember we are in a fignt to maintain our pension and other benefits.
Anonymous said...
Why, why, is our union letting the city do what ever they want to do.. Everything that they are changing is written on our contract
Class action law suit. But coppers have no balls and dont stick together. We could join forces with CFD. Thats alot of signatures.
11/18/2011 06:42:00 PM
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You really have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, do you?
Anonymous said...
Ok, if this is an "emergency" it should be accepted as a reason to pull out my deferred comp.
11/18/2011 10:50:00 PM
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Another genius heard from.
Leave the coppers in the districts, leave the furloughs alone and call in the National Guard to handle the riots.
It's NOT federal law but state law Police and Firemen can NOT strike as part of essential services. 2 years ago Daley wanted to include teachers and garbage men and the down state legislators laughed at him telling him you can't force everybody to work for nothing!
Fact not fiction!
To 9.34pm:
Some of the smartest people I have ever met only have high school diplomas.
Some of the dumbest people I have met have college degrees, including advanced degrees.
You must be one of the ones with a college degree.
(That said, I have a Master's degree in a totally useless subject-my fault)
Captains aren't going to do shit, either are the Lts. Their associations have no money to fight any of this Arbitration is not free, either are lawyers or lobbyists
Reading on the blog , guys bitching that FOP won't file a winable grievance because it will costs too much FOP has a committee that decides if a grievance is cost effection and thats with 9000 members paying in. What kind of money does the captains association have
We had a sargeant at rollcall tell us the 5a5b segment is off limits not to even attempt to write it as a furlough pick. He even went on to say, we would be on the"commanders shit list"if they see a 5 anywhere on the furlough form. Really? Its come down to threats from a do nothing merit prick. Ove known coppers that have taken May furloughs for over 20 years, because of family, best prices for vacations, or not having enough time for summer furlough. Its understandable the city doesnt give a shit about contracts, cpd families, but for a fellow copper, that didnt earn his chevrons to threaten retaliation against a copper for exerciseing his/her right to cotice his/her vacation, without knowing if the FOP/arbitrator has a the grievance, is beyond the pale. God Bless the SCC, CPD, and CFD. L.ooks like the next 4
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I'm going to break this down so all you numbskulls can comprehend it: the department is trying to bust the unions, plain and simple; they will start with the Captains, and work their way down to Patrolman. It is in everyones best interest to "give a fuck," about what they are trying to do to Captains, because it will eventually trickle down to you. Do you get it now?
Get over the Maurer was right about the airport, blah, blah, blah....he did NOTHING about it when he was there and decided to say something about it once he lost his high-paying job for trying to bully a woman! He always has been and always will be, an ugly & bitter JAGOFF!
Wrong! Maurer tried constantly to improve and upgrade while he was at Aviation, he was stonewalled by that "woman," at every turn; she is actually the bully out there, she thinks because she was in Daley's pocket she could do whatever she pleased; Maurer was the only one who would stand up to her. I hope he wins his lawsuit and takes them to the cleaners, then maybe that "woman," can go back to being a secretary, the only thing she was really ever qualified to do.
The FOP and the city have on met yet.
I really don't recall a successful federal lawsuit against the police department when it came to operations. We sued to overturn the corrupt promotional exams in the 80's under Harold and lost. We sued to overturn the phony merit promotions under daley and lost. We even had the Better Govt. Association and news reporters on our side and we lost. For those who blog and are the first to say "sue" or "Grieve", you are just wasting your time and money.The FOP wins many grievances, but they seem to loose or compromise many major operational issues. The arbitrators want to split the difference at the very least or they will be striken by the city for future cases. Labor law is compromise. ANY company can restructure, eliminate positions or redefine positions and it will stand up.
Don't shout, fill out your par form and leave out!!!!
Ever wonder why all of the City unions seem to fold without comment? Did any one of you read about the union chiefs moving from the CPD or Streets and San or the Health Department to the union and automatically started to receive a $200,000 per year pension in addition to a union pay check? Since they owe their pension to the State and City, do you wonder why they kowtow to Daley or Rahm, or Governor Moron? Can any one of you spell conflict of interest? Do any one of you wonder why all of this passed the State legislature without comment? Wonder no longer. Vote the two faced bastards out of office, and elect officers who will protect your interest! What the hell are you waiting for? From AFSCME to FOP to the Teamsters, you've all been compromised. The politicians are all laughing their butts off. At you.
"We all know it's an emergency because we don't have the manpower to handle it and the G8 is coming regardless..."
He's right. Rahm created this emergency.
We've (the FOP) has to start laying the groundwork now, so that if things go bad, he gets the majority of the heat.
Our last union got greedy and we got screwed. 3 percent was a national average they should have took it and ran with it. Then they actually hired the asshole arbitraitor who stuck it in our rears for the fop elections wtf? F bella
Class action law suit. But coppers have no balls and dont stick together. We could join forces with CFD. Thats alot of signatures.
11/18/2011 06:42:00 PM
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You really have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, do you?
I do...but reading this on yr knees wont help.
The FOP has got to fight tooth and nail with this asshole mayor and superintendent we have. If u don't challenge their every move they're going to pancake us.
PLEASE>>>>>>>>> YOU FLOP SUCK HAVEN'T DONE SHIT How about a march? A no confidence vote? Your weak and up their ass Shields holds how many offices? 2 Flop and Pension Board you can't do both well pick one sonny boy and concentrate on that
You hires a lawyer that has never tried a case too and the Orange One?
"What point are you trying to make with your grammarically convoluted post? Your prose reads like so many of the case reports I try not to read, or kick back, these days. To much grammar school, not enough of anything else? It's illiterates such as you that are the problem with the FOP, the Department, and society."
It is grammatically. There is no "grammarically". Also, it should be too much grammar school,", not "to much".
I believe that all unions sleep with the employer, palin facts, when
i was a teamster truck driver many years back if a compoany wanted to get rid of an asshole driver or trouble maker, they swung with the business agent. I also believe that any head of any union should act for his people who made him. As a union leader you must be firm on issues when you approach the employee. you can't use threats of non compliance and work stops, but you can relate the probable outcome to the employer and then you have to make good onyour promises. I believe that some sort of accross the board work related good sensible job actions such as many zero tolerance arrests be made, tying up cars and leaving the district in a RAP. Write all those parking enforcement tickets . Be proactive, not refusing to do a job is not the answer. Piss the Sup and mayor off and let them punish yhou, then react again. You are doing the job that you get paid for, it's better on paper then not doing anything, and when the fine citizens complain, hey we the police are just doing our job. SEE YA!!!
What happens if we strike? Who going to lock us up? LoL
All this whining priceless. Fuck the furlo, concentrate on our pensions.
0407 couldnt agree more. Arbitrators also tend to side with the city if any change is made, even against the contract , if it is for the safety of the city and citizens, to wit:G8
Take Operation Closed Market, was longer that the contractual 90 detail, wasnt done by seniority and all the dept did was change the word detail. City won that grievence
That should have been done by seniority which was spelled out in the contract
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