Taser Use Up
A Tribune analysis shows Taser use has jumped fivefold in the city since 2008 and suburban agencies that were surveyed were on pace to double their use, as departments equipped more officers with the devices. Chicago police were deploying Tasers at a rate of more than twice a day in 2011.
And oversight has not kept pace with the explosion in use. Departments are on their own in developing policies on when and how electroshock devices should be deployed, with no state regulation.
Chuck Goudie is salivating, hoping that Tasers are outlawed so that the CPD can go back to killing people outright. Then he can write another slanted piece that does nothing to castigate the criminal assailant for behavior that gets them killed, but lays all the blame at the feet of the police who just want to do their jobs and see their families at the end of the day.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
71 Comments:
"Departments are on their own in developing policies on when and how electroshock devices should be deployed, with no state regulation."
Wait... Doesn’t STATE LAW and the use of force against an assailant dictate when we can use an "electroshock device"?
Useless fucking media.
My reply is, "Good."
Every Department that has put Tasers into use has had a drop in the number of people that are shot by the police. In fact Tasers are saving the lives of the very people who complain about the use of them, well hell you just can't please everyone.
If anything the Trib should be complaining about the Departments that are not using them or not using them enought. Every person shot with a taser is one not shot with a bullet.
All this petty shit is pretty convenient in keeping the attention off of the billion dollar mortgage banker crimes as the statute of limitations runs out no?
The mass media is losing it's edge however and with it goes the ability to filter and present events with their spin. Times are a-changing.
Banking exec's are not being charged and prosecuted. Guns are being run across the border by the US Justice department. Regulation agencies are not regulating and the CPD is tied up doing busy-work krap instead of focusing on the REAL crimes and THINGS THAT MATTER THE MOST.
"Chuck Goudie is salivating,"
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he's about to hit that "Joyous moment". he should be needing a seeing eye dog by now. Self abuse is alleged to be bad for eyesight !!!
Tazer use up = Less cops going to hospitals injured after having to use serious physical force against resistors. How about a correlation between excessive force complaints with offenders or officers seriously injured versus tazer complaints.
I personally love the tazer and in 2 years have only deployed it once. It has averted many serious offenders wanting to fight once they see my little electric gun.
I would think that taering the assholes is better than shooting them. The rules in place I believe are sufficient. Of course lawyers and nutty biased newscasters can make it look like they want. If tasering saves an officer from getting hurt then taser away!
Pain compliance is the universal incentive Tasers are supposed to hurt and incapacitate They arent used on co-operative subjects.
Taser use is up, injury to officers is down. Case closed anyone need anymore of an explanation fuck you. It should also be noted that officers trained with the taser are tased themselves so its not like they re doing something they haven't experienced themselves.
How about the fact that these tasers are saving/keeping us from having to beat the shit out of these offenders to gain control over them. We use to have to hit them with wooden and metal sticks to control them leaving them with severe injuries in many cases. Now, we give them a little shock, they comply instantly and there is no collateral damage. Processing and they're on their way. It saves so much money in lawsuits and iod's and the stress of getting into physical fights all the time. I sign one out every tour and i don't hesitate to use it. It's the best tool we carry i believe.
"Chuck Goudie is salivating, hoping that Tasers are outlawed so that the CPD can go back to killing people outright."
Me, too! Can't they make a bullet that also packs an electric charge??
- Chalkie
Chuck goes to the same church as my family. He stands in the back and tries not to be noticed. According to the family most of them at church can't stand the little prick.
One of the best tools we have at our disposal. There is the intimidation factor, as well as far fewer IOD's for jammed fingers and broken hands.
The reason that Taser use is on the rise is obvious. TASERCIDE!!!
More and more people are using tasers to do themselves in than ever before. The old way, using guns, is so messy and beside conceal carry in Illinois is illegal.
So, now, if we can only get Chuck Goudie to stick one of these in his ass and pull the trigger, Chicago and the rest of the world will be much better off.
All Chuck Goudie cares about is his RATINGS. He would do anything to anyone to make a story. His ratings keep on dropping. So he needs to justify his job.
Torture device?
If an Offender does enough to get Tazed! That offender is lucky to NOT have bullet holes in his chest!
Chuck Goudie is Stupid and a Clueless reporter!
With all kinds of "Pension thievery in Illinois" going on in government, Chuck Goudies best investigation he can come up with is: Whether Police shoot to defend themselves and the Public against bonifide criminals, too much?!
That chump needs to retire already!
Ds Pelon
I would hope Taser use is up. Take a look at the use of force model. Police Officer's are allowed to Tase someone before they are allowed to strike someone with a closed fist or elbow. Not to be funny but to some this might be completely SHOCKING!!!!
I agree with the Tribune. Give me back my cocobolo nightstick. Time to rock n' roll.
Thank God for the tasers. If it wasn't for those things a lot more officers would be getting seriously hurt and killed. The mutts have no respect for us, know we are limited in when we can use our firearms, but DO have respect for those tasers.
As for you Chuck Goudie, go screw yourself. When karma catches up with you don't call the police. After all, as far as your concerned we are the problem to begin with.
Put hands on someone go to prison, taser someone go to prison, shoot a guy with a gun, why couldn't you just wound him? Go to prison! You wanna know why taser use is up? Because we finally can carry them. Plus it is a lot safer to taser the shit head that wants to fight than to tussle and break my hand or throw out my back. But lets be honest these assholes who get tased are getting the easier way out. Once the lightning stops its over, just a bad dream.
Then sTop resisting and fighting us assholes, and we'll stop using our tasers, its very simple. Fuck you media, trying to sensationalize everything. "taser use explodes" fuck you!!! damn right, you try to fight me your going to get tazed,peppersprayed, beat with my baton or your ass kicked. And thats exactly how it should be. If you have a problem with that go bury your head in the sand, and thank god you dont back me up on the street you uselss pussy!
2 a day? im surprised its not more with all the asshole members of our public that society coddles. just like shootings, if we shot everyone we could have justifiably the people shot by police number would be 3-5x higher. I personally could have, should have shot 30-40 people in my short 15 year career, but i didnt. looking back, I would now, I was playing with my life, just didnt know it. print that goudie you bitch!!!!!
The taser is the best new tool that we have been given, no injury to the p.o. and less than lethal force used on assailant, I guess that writer would prefer police officers to beat combative offenders with our new metal batons until they are handcuffed.
I love my Taser and have yet to use it,But when a 300 pound mental comes charging me,I Can Tase and not Kill.
My PD here in MA went to Tasers 6 years ago. I can't state without doubt theyre deployment has averted a 1/2 dozen mshotins. the option in many cases is a baton or a gun. I'll take the Taser!
As a 36-year retired Cop, I think that Tasers are the best "less than lethal" invention ever to come into use.
Of course the media, with it's "Why didn't you attempt to take the gun away" or "Why didn't you shoot the gun out of his hand" attitude will never understand it.
The value of the Taser is that for most offenders, it removes the will to fight, and that gives us time to hook them up.
i dont want to have another lawsuit,so i dont carry one.i would and do fight instead with the assailant!iod is better than a lawuit headache!
It answers itself.
More tasers made available, more tasers used. I don't remember exactly when but it was around 2008 that people other than supervisors could carry the equipment.
Lets also mention the number of attacks on the police has risen.
All of this aside, who cares?? The shit doesn't hurt like these crying gangbanger pussies like to say. I have been tased a few times, when its over it is over.
Everyone go home safe.
never been a fan of tasers....
All effects of a Taser deployment are gone within 5 minutes. I rode the lightening when I went to Taser training and I was totally back to 100% quickly with no aftereffects at all.
I dare Steinberg, Goudie, Mitchell to take a full 5 second shock and then ask them if they would rather have that and be fine within minutes or end up sore for a few weeks after a wood shampoo,
The media likes pictures of heads swathed in bandages and lumped up faces and bodies, like the picture of the guy who grabbed the Park Ridge copper's balls a few weeks back that my buddy saw in Australia on the news
there.
I also dare Goudie and all the other critics to go through the FATS and see how they do.
Dude told me once that "getting shot with that make you shit green"! I almost fell out I laughed so hard..
Less officers on the scene to control an offender, more offenders get Tased. Simple.
Oh, yeah. they also get shot more.
Soooo...
The people complaining about Taser use "being up" actually want us to go back to the days of dragging a crying, drenched in pepper spray, beat the dog shit out of assailant to the hospital and trying up Policemen having to babysit the idiot until he's let to bond or relinquished to County, etc?
Fuck you people backwards and sideways... It's always a win when as few Policemen as possible get hurt.
Don't like the Taser?
Don't do the fool with The Police... Period.
State law and our Use of Force Model is pretty clear.
I don't like them....... Not good for business.......
1:13 you must not be a cpd officer because if you were you would know that you do not have to take the "ride" to carry a taser
Hey trolls, and you too Chuckie Baby..
Chicago and other municipalities nationwide have a 'Use of Force' policy/model complete with a neat little CAPS-type chart that's available for viewing if you really care.
In essence it matches resistance with use of force. It is a nationally accepted policy.
If you ever read it, you would realize when the use of the Tazer is approved/recommended.
The idea of the policy is to quell resistance at the lowest level with reactive force to stop it from escalation to the ultimate... 'deadly force.'
Deadly Force, Chuckie Boy, is when YOU get to say the, "Chicago Police are out of control."
Until then we'll met resistance with the approved, appropriate amount of force, including the Tazer, to make sure that deadly force is used only as a last resort.
So, like they say on the Chicago Fire Department, "Everybody Goes Home!"
Average Joe here, have always RESPECTED all police ALL the various encounters, 30 yrs as an adult. Most cops > good, BUT a few over the top power freaks who conveyed a ready to snap at any hint of imagined disrespect.
Had a suburban cop screaming at me because I walked on wrong side of 111th St during a fair at a Jr college. Was walking with my g/f, didn't see signs or hear his initial yell at me as there was a crowd and g/f was talking a mile a minute.
Anyway, THAT cop was freakin' phycho, hand on gun, I never made a move or did a thing, screaming at me before I even understood what heck was going on -
If your a good cop, GOD bless you, if your a physcho power freak cop, please taze me, no lead in my head, thankyou very much.
Now, we give them a little shock, they comply instantly and there is no collateral damage. Processing and they're on their way. It saves so much money in lawsuits........
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Sounds so simple huh? Now, have a drugged up offender die on you after you tase him and your statement doesnt mean shit....
There are risks with everything. even an "emergency takedown" is dangerous if the bad guy cracks his head the wrong way.
As police we are put in physical situations everyday. Most are as simple as "escorting" an unwelcome guest/asignificant other, out of a residence. People call us for the dumbest shit and then we are stuck with the job of taking a "Police" action. To do nothing, gets you a citizen complaint with the end result of someone getting seriously injured after we leave or numerous trips back to the same address, until we finally are forced to make an arrest. Some people dont deserve a second chance. Just doing our job means we will have to put hands on someone. The uncooperative subjects out there are usually stupid, self educated lawyers (thank you t.v.), stupid (I said it twice), and under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol.
The uneducated public would never do our job. The public does not know what the real world is like. People can run away from what we are paid to see on a daily basis. We dont get called to peoples homes unless there is a problem.
Dont like the Police making decisions for you or preserving the peace? Don't call us. Please keep your dumb shit inside behind closed doors so we cant see it. Be quiet so your neighbors dont call. Otherwise, Law Enforcement Officers, who are State Certified in the Use of Force, will come to you and follow our approved Use of Force Options on you if necessary, so we can go home to our familys. BTW, we dont call the Police to escort our girlfriends/boyfriends/wives/husbands/mothers/fathers/kids out of our own homes. Its called dealing with your own problems and taking care of each other.
Oh and yes, I was tasered during my taser certification course. I have video proof. I felt good afterwards. Loosened me up and made me realize what a great tool the taser really is. It can greatly reduce injury when utilized. Just dont use illegal drugs. They are against the law......(sarcasm)......
Chuck Goudie is a douche.
well, when you have a department that had only issued 125 tasers then you give all employees access to them and now over 5000 are certified of course the number of people being tazed goes up. You should compare the numbers to those who have been pepper sprayed. I guarantee the number of people sprayed has gone way down since tasers.
OT new argument for carry concealed. 3 kids survived
The driver, Roger Andersen, 46, of Logan, lost control as he tried to brake while heading northbound on U.S. 89 during slick conditions. His 9-year-old daughter and 4-year-old son were trapped along with a second 9-year-old girl.
"He was panicked, doing everything he could to get in through the doors, but they wouldn't budge," said rescuer Chris Willden, who had jumped into the water with his own father after coming upon the crash scene.
Willden, a Department of Defense contractor with a background in law enforcement, shot out one window with his Glock handgun after trying unsuccessfully to open windows and doors. As he reached upward searching for arms and legs, he felt nothing.
Taser use up over the past couple years? Wouldnt have anything to do with up to a couple years ago only sgt's, or fto's were allowed to carry them, would it? And love the totally biased story in the tribune about police tasing "citizens". Makes it sound like were tazing people for no reason. And their big case study is some drunk a-hole who tried to interfere with his wifes field sobriety test, resisted getting out of the car when they tried to arrest him, grabbed the po and was tased. Typical illinois jury aquited him of agg batt to po (because hey, its just a po right..) but was found guilty of obstruction and was awarded an undisclosed amount of $ in the resulting federal lawsuit (anyone still wonder why police are less aggressive?). Newspapers and tv news are pure liberal bs spin and not worth the paper their written on or the electricity they use!!
I'm sure that the Fibune was crying for some type of non-lethal alternative prior to the taser's invention, and now they're upset that it gets used.
Chuck, do you want the 3 second ride, or the full one?
During the G8/NATO debacle, I urge you not to put your heart into protecting the locations filled with media types, nor their downtown locations.
Do not break a sweat trying to keep protesters away from the Tribune tower.
Let these know it all's defend themselves by hiding behind each other.
I was rasied to respect the Police. When a Police officer tell you to do something you just FUCKING do it! No problems if you just learn to listen to authority. I hate lib-tards. Maybe they should take away the tazers adn just let the Police shoot and beat people who fail to respect them!
Why every time someone does an article that points to a fact of an increase in some type of use of force or some type of enforcement activity, it is blamed on the police for using too much of it. They make it sound line the cops are doing something wrong. No one mentions that the attacks on the police are up
I want implants and a remote control!!!
I can't wait for the new semi-automatic tazers with the self destruct probes and flammable pepper spray!
Marshmellows anyone?
Taser use up. Society acting worse. That's why.
So what. The whore media can say and print what they want. Just be justified and all is good
Back each other up
Take care of each other
Go home to your family
Stay safe
And call, text, or write Bill Cozzi
OT new argument for carry concealed. 3 kids survived
The driver, Roger Andersen, 46, of Logan, lost control as he tried to brake while heading northbound on U.S. 89 during slick conditions. His 9-year-old daughter and 4-year-old son were trapped along with a second 9-year-old girl.
"He was panicked, doing everything he could to get in through the doors, but they wouldn't budge," said rescuer Chris Willden, who had jumped into the water with his own father after coming upon the crash scene.
Willden, a Department of Defense contractor with a background in law enforcement, shot out one window with his Glock handgun after trying unsuccessfully to open windows and doors. As he reached upward searching for arms and legs, he felt nothing.
1/02/2012 03:52:00 PM
These days, we bandy the word "hero" around in very broad, cheap terms.
However, THIS man is a hero.
Hey, I am retired almost 10 years. In my 35 years on the job I have made a lot of arrests, maybe a thousand or more. I can't recall anyone going along in peace. Either they just do not want to be handcuffed or they actively fight you. People just do not understand.I worked in a lot of shit areas of the city, 002, 003,021,007,005,006, 011,010. I would love to put Goudy out on patrol in 011 or 007 for a few months. He would sing a different tune.
Ya know, most people here really don't know, or care, just sayin..
Man these dudes just keep jumping in front of my tazer!
If taser use is 'up,' then it stands to reason that the Police are 'saving more lives,' that they would otherwise have to take by lethal force...and one would think that THAT is a good thing, right? Let the media chew on that for a while...
Heh... If all the naysayers and denture rotators with anti-Police agendas succeed in getting the tazer stripped away from Chicago Police Officers?
Can we break out the old heirloom jumbo sap?
Buy an old old timer a drink then ask him about those.
!2" and a pound of leather & lead was a Policeman's best non-lethal friend for a few generations.
Well, that and some "rigid toed" bootery with the Cat's Paw heels...
Sometimes ya just gotta play "The Boots & Fists Symphony" loudly and at 78 rpm. It's a Chicago classic!
Unfortunately the yellow-pinky media just doesn't want to understand that aspect of Policing.
Correction... Any aspect of Policing that involves The Police "making" people comply with the law and the orders of Policemen.
It ain't "Simon Says" or "Mother May I..."
One poster on a previous thread summed it up perfectly.
Ask. Tell. Make.
Refrain from doing the fool on Policemen and you won't get knocked down.
Sane or crazy. Male,female or undecided. Young or old and any/all ethnicities.
Actually... A hard and heavy good old fashioned slap or three across the eye can be as electric, disorienting and leg folding as a taser jolt...
"Damn Joe! Po-leece slapped FIRE outta yo' ass!"
*"Joe" seeing stars & listening to "chinese music" only he can hear while his nose runs and eyes water*
Heh... We thank the old old timers for imparting some of their "alley wisdom."
I read the Tribune article grumbling through every carefully slanted and biased phrasing of "the truth".
When I came to find the detailed Mundelein incident, I seethed as it involved a fine young officer that I would like to believe that I had positively influenced in the past. He is a capable officer who wouldn't simply resort to mechanicals when verbals or muscle would do.
The real shame here is that the Lake County State's Attorney and Village Attornies didn't take this to the wall. Half the team was on the field, the rest was still celebrating at the New Years party. This is the lapse in the process, not TASER babble.
We're behind guys like you, T. Stay safe.
Officers using Taser way too much,somebody gets a little mouthy and zap.Todays pussy police get their feeling hurt and they think they are gods gift.
Just wait til somebodys grandma get shot in the eye by a Taser probe for being a little senile by a Taser queen.
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At a September 2007 John Kerry forum, Andrew Meyer said "Don't tase me, bro". :D
Taser use is up?
How Shocking....
@ 0940hr...
You're kidding, right?
You can't POSSIBLY be a copper and posted this stupid shit...
You're the fuck head who likes pepper spraying fellow coppers rolling around with an offender then you run like a little bitch and lock yourself in the car to keep the coppers you sprayed from beating your stupid ass.
Or are you another useful idiot from "occupy something?"
STFU ya pussy!
Officers using Taser way too much,somebody gets a little mouthy and zap.Todays pussy police get their feeling hurt and they think they are gods gift.
Just wait til somebodys grandma get shot in the eye by a Taser probe for being a little senile by a Taser queen.
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1/03/2012 09:40:00 AM
I just love these comments from people who just do not have a clue about what it is to be a cop in today's society. I have to admit, there probably are a few cops here and there in just about any jurisdiction who might be a little quick on the taser trigger. But, most cops I know will give a person every chance to comply before using any force. Cops are just like the average person, they just do not want to get injured. They want to go home in one piece without a trip to the ER. Whats wrong with that? Today's " Pussy Police"? Mister, you are a real jagoff to say that. I retired after 35 years and cannot recall one time where I went to arrest someone and the person submitted without a struggle. Many times I had to punch and wrestle and club the individual into submission. A few times I had enough help to swarm the person and even them it was a struggle. Then the person had to brag that " it took five cops to bring me down". Really? If I could have cracked your skull like I wanted to without the fear of a beef and suspension, I would have. Then it would have taken only one of us to get you down. This kind of talk just makes me mad and sick. To you buddy, the only thing I can say is " GFY "
Anonymous said...
I want implants and a remote control!!!
1/02/2012 06:47:00 PM
I sincerely hope that you are a woman.
Anonymous said...
I want implants and a remote control!!!
1/02/2012 06:47:00 PM
I sincerely hope that you are a woman.
1/03/2012 05:04:00 PM
Hey, maybe it's a guy who needs a remote control for HIS implant?
Officers using Taser way too much,somebody gets a little mouthy and zap.Todays pussy police get their feeling hurt and they think they are gods gift.
Just wait til somebodys grandma get shot in the eye by a Taser probe for being a little senile by a Taser queen.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
1/03/2012 09:40:00 AM
You are SO not the police. Could you go babble somewhere else, please?
I misthought .
I should have been more concise.
May I clarify ?
RFID CHIP IMPLANTS with a remote control for the built in electrostatic imcapacition node.
Perhaps mounted on the barrel for a second chance capacity.
Stun And Kill capacity is inevitable after animal testing IN THE FIELD by animal control.
We should be able to extract and analyze as much information from a dangerous person as we can for a pet. Avid chips will tell you the entire medical, genealogical, location and temperament of a pet,live stock or even food crops!
Why do we allow these dangerous creatures out of their cages without positive identification and control or GPS location?
IF I WERE TO GET AN " IMPLANT" IT WOULD BE A RFID!
No identification causing back pain or strain from wallets bulging with redundant documentation. No car keys or house keys. No credit cards or money.
Less pockets-pocket books or medicine lists.
Go shopping in comfort knowing their are no thieves in the stores or your home. No pedophiles or perverts near your children at school.
God is the original big brother and we make our own devils.
God bless you all and have a safe and peaceful new year!
Tazer's don't hurt!
Seven TRR'S and I didn't feel a thing.
The eighth one back was IOD surgery and I almost didn't make it back. But that was before we had takers, he's dead my lawyer got a tan and I can tell the weather.
If you really want to do something good: close the fukn medical section and you'll save a fortune and with new jails 50 or 60,000 will take the test and you will get the best and retain the best then we can get rid of the WORST!
Two of the seven asked for seconds and I put them on a diet. You run look for a soft place to fall. You fight you get it all. The battery will still be ready when you can't hold your water, mud or breath so just get in the car!
Stinking cops - YOU ARE ON TV you dumbasses. We can all see you delight in hosing down sitting protesters with 'pepper spray'.
You are just lucky people don't die right away with their taser deaths captured by CBS News.
Well let's go back to mag flashlites 18" ones
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