Anita Continues to Stumble
A nephew of then-Mayor Richard M. Daley “may have made an admission of guilt” to detectives that he threw the punch that caused David Koschman’s death, attorneys for Koschman’s family said in a court filing Wednesday.
They said sworn witness statements to the city of Chicago inspector general’s office, which they obtained under a court order, contradict arguments made by Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez. Alvarez is fighting their efforts to have a special prosecutor appointed to reinvestigate the case and determine whether her office and the police are guilty of “official misconduct.”
Minutes after four of Koschman’s friends were unable to identify Daley nephew Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko in a police lineup nearly eight years ago, the friends say an unidentified detective told them the police knew who had punched the 21-year-old from Mount Prospect in the face, according to their sworn statements, which Alvarez unsuccessfully tried to keep from being released.
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posted by SCC at 6:01 AM
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Someone got away with it because it was Daley's nephew.
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Anita is a member of the "Cabal of Evil & Corrupt Men" known as the machine.
She depends on the machine to keep her in office.
Anita protects ALL members of the machine, especially those related to rmd.
Need I say more ???
Let's go get some pancakes !!!
Off topic but maybe scc, the fop and the other officers would be interested in knowing the police officers assigned to the OEMC were switched to the 4-2 schedule in January. They were all placed on days AND the get an hour lunch and a half hour break whereas officers on the street only get the half hour break. Furthermore, oemc dep director Thomas placed his police officer wife, also assigned to the , on a special adjusted Monday thru Friday schedule, even though she is performing the same duties as the other PO's. I'm sure they wouldn't mind working monday thru Friday either.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to roam around and kill the peasants they fleece? It seems only natural that the ruling class be able to kill at will. I can't even believe that this has become an issue at all.
Throwing a punch in self defense doesn't get you charged in crook county. Even him admitting it doesn't matter. What does matter is that even the dead kids friends say that he (dead kid) was the aggressive drunk that night. Daleys nephew shouldn't get charged.
But yet no one will run against her ot even a republican......a republican CAN win with just some money
Every time a post is on SCC regarding this case, someone keeps insisting that Vanecko will never go to trial on this because the evidence just isn't there.
It also seems like every time a post on this case comes up, someone is getting very nervous.
If Vanecko NEVER has to face charges on this because of how badly the case was investigated and manipulated and compromised, so be it, but I believe SOMEONE is going to have to answer for this mess, and I am perfectly O K with cops or ASA's doing jail time in place of Vanecko for purposely covering up for these vile Daley family criminals.
As far as I'm concerned, you jeopardized your own family, career and reputation when you went over to the dark side in order to take care of Daley's spawn and you're just as guilty as you'd be if you took a payoff from gang members to let them sell drugs under your watchful protection.
Something is going to give on this and I'm sure Daley would be fine watching you twist in the wind while Vanecko parties and surfs out in California. I hope you're proud of what you did to make that happen for him.
Punitive damages should be on their way to meet that dirty bitch.
The F.O.P. endorsed anita for her integrity and the way she supports the police.
These articles from the Scum Times are total bullshit. None of the witnesses could pick Vanecko out of ANY line up. Case closed. These reporters, all of a sudden, know criminal law better than any detective or prosecutor and think a person can be charged with a crime because common sense makes them THINK the guy did it??? Where is the admissible evidence? And now they are trying to twist a confession into this? Even if the detective said that Vanecko was crying or said he was sorry for this, does it amount to a confession that would be admissible at trial???
Not a cop but someone please clear this up, the law states that detectives are authorized to lie during their investigation correct? So the detective in question, can he just claim he was lying to elicit a response?
This story is getting better every day. Third party witnesses with no relation to either side are saying the detectives are lying their asses off about what they said when interviewed. Its lookin like lil miss truth and justice is a dirty piece of shit.
So why hasn't Daley, his son, and nephew been indicted yet?
OT: What is the gang sign for disciple love? we are having problems at the apple store with kids taking pictures of themselves flashing a sign that looks like they are holding a pistol(their index finger and thumb extended with the rest of the fingers closed). can any one who is good at identifying gang signs help out on this one? it would really help us out if we could find out what this means. thanks everyone.
Someone got away with it because it was Daley's nephew.
And this surprises you because.....?
It's a no brainer here! Anita is part of the machine and she is corrupt just like the daley crime family. Anyone with half a brain knows it was fixed by the machine back then and it's being fixed now by the machine. If the players were reversed the kid would still be in prison.
Of course they "knew", that's why the put the fucken goof in the line up! I'm no Daley fan but bottom line is ALL of the witnesses couldn't make an identification......REJECTION every time, no and ifs or buts about it.
an unidentified detective told them the police knew who had punched the 21-year-old from Mount Prospect in the face
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It is not as if a cop would never mislead people in an attempt to gain information. It is a pretty common police technique. I don't see how this shows anything at all other than the lawyers are going to go after the city for their pound of flesh. If this is the best they can come up with, they are probably out of luck.
The Daley Crime Family is Anita's clout. Always has been. She will never try to "connect the dots" as our Supt. McSwiggle often says. David Koschman has been in his grave for 8 long years waiting for some justice. Where is Fitzgerald on this one? Seems to be lots of Daley clout in that place too.
Now if Anita were to go full steam ahead, our detectives would look bad. Damned if you do, damned if don't.
Same old Illinois story . . . different rules for different people
Let's see if the Justice Dept will go after Anita Alvarez and Dick less Devine like they did PO Cozzi?
He got away with this not because of a poor investigation? Are you kidding? People who have seen this " investigative file" are laughing at how poor it is and how much was left out. The reason for this can be debated. Incompetence or misconduct.
Koschman Family:
If you are reading this, don't give up this fight!!
and yet people still voted for this whacky bimbo............
another cover up in crook county ,
chitcawgo , let the fed's investigate this one
maybe family should hire mark furhman , he helped convict kennedy nephew that was covered up
This whole incident stinks! From the paper car all the way through the entire investigative process, every one knew that because of who was involved, the case was going to be buried. The Det's knew that no one had their back on this despite all the quiet guidance they were getting.
Alvarez and her minions buried this because that is why she is there. When all stink finally comes out the only ones that are going to get skewered are the Detectives.
We have to make sure that does not happen.
Keep up the pressure. I'm glad the Sun-Times is not letting this one go.
I can see some similiar aspects between this case and the shooting of the teen by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida. It is self defense or is it murder by an aggressive individual? Someone died, might not be intended, but it occurred. Only a grand jury investigation with everyone under oath will have any possiblity of clearing this matter up. The retired detectives need to testify under oath.
(OT) we should contact the nato people with the "truth" move it out of here the people and businesses don't want it here! Why not Russia??
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/contact.htm
This should be a thread!
What??? This is unacceptable.
The bottom line is Anita Alvarez. Why isn't she made to come clean about this whole situation. Is she so untouchable? She's a liar and a cheat, and should be removed from office.
See Anita this is what happens when you go against real attorneys that went to real law schools not the junior college of law at John Marshall that you probably went to.
An important note on this and similar cases.
As someone here posted the other day, "If you're in a fair fight, you're doing something wrong."
There are no John L. Sullivan rules of fair fistfighting on the street. One is not obligated to "put up his dukes," avoid "hitting below the belt," etc.
It is observably and demonstrably true that being knocked to the pavement can cause death or grave bodily harm.
We see this in the Koschman case -- and here is another.
Northwest Side man dies day after being punched to sidewalk in fight
Staff report
5:46 p.m. CDT, March 19, 2012
"A 58-year-old Albany Park man died this morning, a day after he was knocked to the ground in a fight on the street outside a restaurant blocks from his house, authorities said.
"Celestino Nuevo, of the 4900 block of North Kimball Avenue, was pronounced dead at 9:35 a.m. at Swedish Covenant Hospital, according to the Cook County medical examiner’s office.
"Officers originally had been called to the hospital early Sunday, after Nuevo was the victim of an attack as he left a restaurant about 2 a.m. Sunday in the 3500 block of West Lawrence Avenue, police said.
"Nuevo was leaving the restaurant and got into a “verbal altercation” with someone on the street who then punched him, apparently knocking him to the sidewalk, said Chicago Police News Affairs Officer Darryl Baety.
"The victim suffered bone fractures on the right side of his face, severe brain bleeding and swelling, according to police.
"Police did not have any records indicating why the fight might have started.
"Area North detectives were investigating."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-northwest-side-man-dies-day-after-being-punched-to-sidewalk-in-fight-20120319,0,5149769.story
If you are in danger of being knocked down, your life is in danger.
Use Of Force table applies.
our new Capt aka XO in public tranportaion likes to ask everybody about their history with the CPD. can anybody share their thoughts about him?
And our FOP endorsed .her for re election. What do you have to say now Mike Shields?
Why can't she turn it over to a special prosecutor who is objective?
There are a ton of lawyers in Chicago and this would be an excellent case to work on.
She should step away and let an objective prosecutor take her place.
Better yet, get a lawyer OUTSIDE of Illinois because then it is less likely they have gotten any work from the City or County as many local firms also get pieces of work from both City and County as well if they are clouted.
This case HAS to be resolved.
Alvarez is fighting their efforts to have a special prosecutor appointed to reinvestigate the case and determine whether her office and the police are guilty of “official misconduct.”
But that beadie eyed bitch has NO PROBLEM tossing an un connected cop under the bus!
Remember this at election time!
Forget it. ALL Investigative Agencies working on this are Corrupt, Democommunist - Controlled Regimes. Nothing will happen, just another Travesty of Justice.
VOTE REPUBLICAN ALWAYS, END THE DICTATORSHIP OF CROOK COUNTY, CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.
AA is an obstructionist who needs the full federal justice system to investigate her involvement in the largest real scandal of modern chicago history. Crooks help crooks help crooks.
Now, if any of the acting parties had been police officers, then.....
Are you out of your fucking mind? Should she just cave in to the Sun Times? Alvarez has stood up for the detectives, and justified their investigation. Read the states written response to the Kochsmen family request for a special prosecutor. The Sun Times has twisted the truth and made up "facts", and you side with them? Come on SCC.
No Comment!
feds get them all!
Keep stumbling right into prison!
The entire Daley family has been corrupt since old Daley was precint captain in the 30's when corruption was the norm. So the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. So what's new when the daley's are involved. Get over it, nothing will happen. Move on scc, why waste your time with it.
To the unpublished "connected"
stop posting in all CAPS and it might get published.
stop obvious slander unless you're putting your livelihood on the line.
stop blaming us because you have a hard time figuring out what you are doing wrong
And to the "unintended consequences" poster:
Maybe you should be directing your ire at the people who fucked up this investigation. All we are publishing is Sun Times articles that are in the public realm. We aren't revealing nuclear secrets here.
OT:
Anyone have the story on chase from burglary on 56th and Menard to 51st?
I am appalled by the recent UPTICK in city corruption and now Cook County !!!
OT but funny as hell
Last week, the city denied a permit for a protest on Sunday May 20 citing a police manpower issue, as quoted in the trib:
"But the city denied the application, saying the NATO summit was several times larger than G-8, and authorities would not have enough “on-duty” police to handle a march in the Loop while up to 50 heads of state are moving through the streets in motorcades. City officials wanted to move the march, starting it at the Petrillo Band Shell and sending marchers south along Columbus Drive."
This came right from City Hall.
Enter McStupid, who just last night tells WTTW on TV that nobody asked him and of course we have enough police to handle anyhthing (see link below starting at 11:00). Word is Rhamageddon hit the roof. What are the odds that the permit gets granted before McNitwit becomes the star witness in a civil rights lawsuit.
Pure comedy!
Watch below before Rham makes the phone call and the video is taken down.
http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/comment/4987
Song and dance time..
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Emanuel says community must join fight against gangs
Mayor Rahm Emanuel today called on residents to help police take back their neighborhoods in the wake of a spate of shootings around Chicago.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-emanuel-says-community-must-join-fight-against-gangs-20120323,0,6775610.story
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lol...Well...the mighty king has spoken!
Okay fine, does this mean we're going to deputize the citizens and start handed out guns because I think that is what is needed in order to "take back our neighborhoods"
Anything short of that and we know that the understaffed CPD and the elite politicians will just leave us all hanging out to dry.
Let's be serious here.
What do you expect your community to do? Get out in the streets and call 9-1-1?
The call goes into a backlog stack where someone may or may not show up until an hour later, or some Sgt decides that your call is just another nuisance call without any investigation at all -- that it should be 19-paued at his/her whim in which case no-one shows up at all?
Hey, but look how nice the CompStats are eh...tell us how you're winning the battle again....we're not buyin' it
Get real mayor. You're a joke. Why don't you do like the aldermen say and just sit down and shut up.
We don't buy your media propaganda about improved 9-1-1 response times because we can see first hand it's a twisted misstatement of fact.
Come on down and live where the action is and show us how it's done mayor.
And another thing.
Why don't you try ordering the 50 alderman off their azzes out into the communities to show us how it's done. They're the leaders...or are supposed to be. So when are they going to start leading and doing something!!
Rahm then say's :
"As I said in the church last night, the first word in community policing is 'community.' I see the strength that happens inside a church, and I want that strength out in the neighborhood, in the community, working with the law enforcement community."
Your para-military equipped police force is barely able to protect their own and you contribute to the problem of not allowing citizens to arm themselves for protection by your silly gun registration fees, permits, licenses. You are placing the cost of personal protection out of the reach for the citizens that need it the most, the elderly and the poor in the crime filled gang infested neighborhoods as you fill the city's coffers. Then you have the balls to stand-up and tell the people what they must do!?
No mayor. No thanks.
There's a rap song they play here in the hood and one of the lyrics goes "snitches get stitches and end up in the ditches"
You Rahm, YOU, by calling for all these firearm fees are placing the law abiding people that need a firearm the most, the elderly, the people living in poor neighborhoods where the gunfire is rampant, in a position that is untenable.
We can't even get out into the street for a march in a show of force because of the laws YOU created.
Start putting up the one-million dollar bond money that's requires out of your pocket and let's see what happens.
YOU created this environment mayor.
Continuing to grant the illegal immigrant drug cartels sanctuary. Continuing to allow the investment banking crimes, the DOJ gun running..etc.. You are looking at the results of you and your clans decisions. This is a culture YOU created. We're all just trying to hang on and survive and I for one am not going to stick my neck out for a thankless so-called leader preaching from a pulpit about something he knows nothing about.
Get some skin in the game.
The detectives did not act on this alone, it went up the chain of command - to the chief of dicks and the deputy of BIS, they were all kept abreast of this case - all were in on meetings with regards to the status and subsequent CCX .
When this goes to shit and Locke bowman and co. depose the lowly sgt and detectives - the commander , the Lt., and big bosses should also be deposed - they should not be allowed to be removed from the ensuing lawsuit.
They knew what was going on and were more then happy to accept the results. Don't think for a second that they did not know.
Dicks will take the fall and punitive damages - exempts will walk.
Bullshit if this is allowed to happen.
If the bosses go down on this, then you'll see a change in attitude with other bosses wanting you to stretch the envelope when it comes to probably cause and arrests.
our new Capt aka XO in public tranportaion likes to ask everybody about their history with the CPD. can anybody share their thoughts about him?
3/23/2012 12:07:00 PM
He would fuck a snake if he could figure out what angle to hold it.
I heard rumors from someone there that Patrick Daley is the one who did the fatal punch.
Anita Alvarez should be held responsible for a criminal getting away with murder. To this day she still has stripped P.Os in callback that were totally cleared in the allegations from the SOS scandal and that she promised them that although clear because she can, she will make sure they never patrol the streets of Chicago. How can that happen? Seriously? A one sided way of justice. A way to make a favor by helping the Daley related nephew and then making a career by crucifying supposedly corruption, but really let's dig deep and see that she herself is corrupted. The connected with power, money and phone calls keep getting away with even murder. It's like the movie "Chicago" this whole system. It's a total joke and doesn't do justice to the people.
FYI ask that merit XO in public transportation about his police career , assignments , merit promotions etc
Tom Allen should be the present states attorney.
On the eve of the election Daley, Burke, Madigan and Hynes fucked Allen and threw their powerful support to Alvarez.
Daley did the same thing the eve of the primary election Governors race and supported the Gypsy over Paul Valles.
And this is the crap that needs attention and real fixing. You have officers in patrol who do not have that "juice" of a call to make it happen for them, have to deal with really goofy, unhappy and mediocre bosses in the streets, deal with CRs and lawsuits and then see this crap!? wtf!!! If they want to be treated like princesses, stay the fuck home!!! It's like the medical section, POs there are available Tues-Fri during days, oh they act like they are above you and give you attitude. come on! McCarthy I thought all available and healthy POs with a pulse were been sent back to the streets. Leave that type of work (OEMC, clerical) for the POs that are hurt or have illness that required them to be inside. I swear, THESE PEOPLE WITH THIS LOW OF INTEGRITY NEED TO GO AND JOIN THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE QUICK, scamming the system like always. This is the main reason the public hate us, they see the type of crap is pulled. No one is fooling anyone...Maybe that's what I need to do, stop earning an honesty living, why am I struggling to survive this goofy regime? I should start sleeping around and my career will probably get better. Hell, all these people are been taken care of. I can be someone's boy toy...
Anonymous said...
Off topic but maybe scc, the fop and the other officers would be interested in knowing the police officers assigned to the OEMC were switched to the 4-2 schedule in January. They were all placed on days AND the get an hour lunch and a half hour break whereas officers on the street only get the half hour break. Furthermore, oemc dep director Thomas placed his police officer wife, also assigned to the , on a special adjusted Monday thru Friday schedule, even though she is performing the same duties as the other PO's. I'm sure they wouldn't mind working monday thru Friday either.
Anonymous said...
OT: What is the gang sign for disciple love? we are having problems at the apple store with kids taking pictures of themselves flashing a sign that looks like they are holding a pistol(their index finger and thumb extended with the rest of the fingers closed). can any one who is good at identifying gang signs help out on this one? it would really help us out if we could find out what this means. thanks everyone.
3/23/2012 08:09:00 AM
it could be the sign for loser or maybe a gun implication. the gang sign your talking about uses three fingers. the index,middle and thumb.
"Punitive damages should be on their way to meet that dirty bitch."
Prosecutorial misconduct?
Can she be disbarred, at least?
Everybody involved in this from det's to the s.a.'s should be hung out. Life sometimes puts you into situations where doing right causes you some discomfort, such as properly processing clouted motherfuckers. Too fucking bad.
can't this kid just man up, admit it, pay his dues and get this over for fucks sake.
Anita should put on her red dress and hold a town hall meeting. It is an election year after all.
Not good for justice and closure.
Anonymous said...
(OT) we should contact the nato people with the "truth" move it out of here the people and businesses don't want it here! Why not Russia??
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/contact.htm
This should be a thread!
3/23/2012 11:13:00 AM
This is a joke, right?
Russia?
Russia in not part of NATO. NATO was created to protect western europe from the Soviet threat emerging after WWII.
Most of those commenting on here are dopes. Daley did not support Anita but did support Milan as did Devine who was Daley's first assistant SA. No one is running against Anita so she doesn't owe Daley or anybody squat. The liberal left wingers are trying to do an end run around the prosecutor's decision not to charge Vanecko. Mrs. Koschman's lawyers are Locke Bowman and G. Flint Taylor who have made careers and fortunes from suing CPD members. I get it. Most coppers hate Daley and his family. But if the press and the lefties can get a special prosecutor appointed every time they don't like the decision not to prosecute, we are all in deep doo doo. Oh, Officer X shot an honor student allegedly in self defense and the prosecutor declined to prosecute because it was a good shooting. Oops. Here comes Locke and Flint backed by the Scum Times or Fibune to appoint a special prosecutor to indict that copper. Do you really want to start down that road? I don't think so. Vanecko may be a douche bag, but, at this time, there is neither enough evidence to indict or convict him. I wish there was and I suspect the SA wishes there was also. But until there is, the law says he should not be charged just because the lefties and lame stream media want him strung up because it is the popular thing to do. Be very careful what you wish for! It is a very popular thing to always blame the police. You may be the next Vanecko.
and just how did daleys nephew get elected? they dont know how you vote, so why did you vote for him?all i can figure it dont matter. they rely on your stupidty.
The entire Daley family has been corrupt since old Daley was precint captain in the 30's when corruption was the norm. So the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. So what's new when the daley's are involved. Get over it, nothing will happen. Move on scc, why waste your time with it
-careful big man
But yet no one will run against her ot even a republican......a republican CAN win with just some money
n-ot in crook county
What is the proof that Anita Alvarez is politically connected??? She ran as an outsider that everyone counted out from the beginning. She had no campaign money. She is the first career prosecutor in modern history who has ran or served as CCSA. She never ran for political office before. She wasn't endorsed by anyone or any organization. She, unlike her opponents, had to pay for her campaign by herself without the help of any politicians or organizations. Other than being one of 1000 State's Attorney's who were hired when Daley was State's Attorney, she has no provable connection to Daley prior to taking office. I just don't see any evidence that she is politically connected. Even this time around, the Democratic Organization tried to shaft her and nominate Aldercreature Howard Brookins. Most politicians say they don't like her because she doesn't play ball with them. It seems like she won because she ran a good campaign and was the only woman and the only hispanic in a race of 6 candidates. If you have evidence that she is connected to the machine, spell it out or shut it. And don't say it's because there is some photo of her and Daley. It makes about as much sense to claim that she is part of the machine because there is one photo of her and Daley at a Mexican parade as it does to say that Roselyn Carter was a serial killer because she was in a photo with John Wayne Gacy.
She'll be appointed a federal judge, wait and see.
Have any of you ever heard about cases that are "tried" in the press? Wise up for christsakes.
our new Capt aka XO in public tranportaion likes to ask everybody about their history with the CPD. can anybody share their thoughts about him?
3/23/2012 12:07:00 PM
Does he still wear cowboy boots? That should tell you something. He's not a cowboy, but he is a goof.
Off Topic. Did everyone see Super McNarcisist at the shooting scene on 75th and Parnell? The fearless leader, commander of men, fist pounder and phony statistician arrives on scene to take charge of this out of control violence in the City and he comes out all dolled out with NO VEST http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-injured-after-shooting-accident-in-gresham-20120323,0,1956263.story WOW! He IS a superhero! Just like he believes. Bullets bounce off him, boy; I wish officer Perason had his powers. Hey jersyboy- no one is taking a bullet for you. JFLED ran away, you’re just a bigger idiot than any of us ever thought. Oh, by the way, nice of you to ease out after the press conference the other day at the 4th District. Yes, it’s a District not a station house you stroke. I loved it, the cameras were off and no one would talk to you so after five minutes of standing by yourself in a corner you ran out the door. Pooch…Go back east where they hate you too.
I cant wait to leave this hell hole. This past tuesday was an example of pure stupidity. Is this what citizens of illinois call an election. Nobody even ran against the dumb bitch.
Throwing a punch in self defense doesn't get you charged in crook county. Even him admitting it doesn't matter. What does matter is that even the dead kids friends say that he (dead kid) was the aggressive drunk that night. Daleys nephew shouldn't get charged.
3/23/2012 07:06:00 AM
You are an idiot. The difference in size between Koschman and Vanecko tells the story.
Whether Koschman was the aggressor or not, and I doubt he was the aggressor, the much taller and much heavier Vanecko swung for the fences when he should have and could have bunted. And even if Koschman was the aggressor, he presented no physical or imposing threat to Vanecko. Vanecko hit him as if he was of equal or larger stature. Vanecko used a proverbial "sledge-hammer" to settle a slap fight. He went too far and David Koschman died. Vanecko should be charged and prosecuted or indicted and prosecuted. It is the right thing to do.
Anita Alvarez will become a FEDERAL JUDGE for covering this up for Daley.
Take away Daley's pension!
From the moment police and the SA knew Vanecko was involved the coverup began. This is nothing new in Chicago and Crook County. Folks with clout and or money never go to jail. Just the schmucks and the poor are tossed in the big shit house.
TREVON + MOB JUSTICE What Have we come to When th eLaw gets thrown out by emotion
A Full Investigation by the U.S. Attorney's office would be the only course of action under normal circumstances, except that the Office is now being run by a criminal himself, eric 'Fast and Furious,
Cop-Killer by Proxy" Holder.
Let's mot forget Alvarez was not the states attorney in 2004 she has to clean up the mess that dickess devine started she has more integrity in her left pinlky then a guy like devine why isn't anyone asking that stroke what happened leave hewr alone already get all the facyts before u start ripping people
Let's face it: if the Mt. Prospect guy had knocked Vanecko to the curb abd Vanecko died, the kid would be in prison. Different rules foir different people.
FUK THIS CITY AND CROOK COUNTY
are we surprised?????
See Anita this is what happens when you go against real attorneys that went to real law schools not the junior college of law at John Marshall that you probably went to.
According to her bio, Anita earned her Law Degree from Chicago-Kent College of Law. You must be one of the detectives
These articles from the Scum Times are total bullshit. None of the witnesses could pick Vanecko out of ANY line up. Case closed.
Only if the victim's family lets it close.
Maybe they will turn it over to the Illinois State Police. Oh wait-- who is in charge of ISP?
I see why some have problems with detectives. Solving cases is simple. Ask these questions:
Is there someone who can positively ID the offender?
Is there an inculpatory statement from the offender?
Is there physical evidence that positively ID's the offender?
Without the above the best that can be had is a circumstantial case. The CCSAO avoids them like the plague.
Was the IG's investigation so poor that they made no attempt to identify the "detective" who told the witnesses of Vanecko's remorse. Or did the Sun Times just not want an inconvenient fact get in the way of their story.
Investigative procedures and documentation has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the current status of this case.
Regardless of the investigation, 100% right or half ass, nobody within CPD, and I mean nobody, can approve murder charges except felony review. No overrides, no joker cards, mulligans etc..
No matter what the paper car & Dics did,and unfortunately in this case, even a confession,positive lineup and or video..the outcome would have been the same. Obrien & felony review's response being, mutual combatants/charges denied.
Misdemeanor battery...next case, its cccsa's prerogative and in this case, anita's career.
Beholden only to the two dicks in her life daley & devine.
Special Order S06-03 "The States Attorney’s Felony Review Unit alone has the authority to approve homicide charges"
Can you pick out the operative word in that? It's there for a reason.
No angels here, no winners either, booze,balls & youth can be bad for your health. Especially if you opme across this offender and his "cuz" along the rush.
You can keep on digging and in the end this will just go away and buried real deep. Nobody and I mean NOBODY touches the Machine. Good luck. The Chicago way!!!!
Anonymous said...
Throwing a punch in self defense doesn't get you charged in crook county. Even him admitting it doesn't matter. What does matter is that even the dead kids friends say that he (dead kid) was the aggressive drunk that night. Daleys nephew shouldn't get charged.
3/23
THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT RITCHIE
Anonymous said...
our new Capt aka XO in public tranportaion likes to ask everybody about their history with the CPD. can anybody share their thoughts about him?
3/23/2012 12:07:00 PM
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Are his initials "TJL"?
Ha ha ha!!!!!!!
Obama goes out of his way to comment on the Trayvon Martin shooting but never once made a comment when a black shooter walked into a Washington coffee house and killed four white police officers in cold blood. i guess that the officers did not resemble him?
... Even if the detective said that Vanecko was crying or said he was sorry for this, does it amount to a confession that would be admissible at trial???
3/23/2012 07:53:00 AM
Ya, that would be an admission. You're the police?
An admission is when an offender admits he committed the crime.
An admission is an exception to the hearsay rule. It is always admissible.
WHEW!!!!!!
From what I understand, Vanecko was in custody well after the crime ... well after.
So these kids who say the detective said this were sober at this time I am assuming. Why are they not remembering this detective saying this until however many years later?
This stinks bad. The truth is, and everyone knows it, even instigators like SCC, is that, in a case like this, the offender would never be charged. Not on the west side, nor the north side.
No one identified Vanecko as throwing that punch. But lets say they did ID him, and lets say Vanckeo admitted it.
The kids friends said the kid was the aggressor. From what I understand independent witnesses said the kid was the aggressor.
Game over.
Sure Vanceko was an asshole. He probably did not have to punch the kid. He lawyered up. His friends lied and covered for him. No doubt about it. But the truth is, you can punch someone in the face if they are the aggressor. You want to get legal - if you are reasonably in fear of receiving a battery you you use reasonable force to defend yourself or another. That's what happened as far as I understand it.
So, let's say all witnessed ID's Vanecko as both being there and throwing the punch. Let's also say Vanecko gave a handwritten admitting same. Still no charges.
Get over it. Everyone please get over it.
The truth is Vanecko is an asshole, but he is getting fucked with BECAUSE he is Daley's nephew.
I have no involvement whatsoever in this case. But this is all bullshit being sensationalized to excite the ignorant.
The witnesses can't come back now and say they did not say the kid was the aggressor. That's bullshit. Complete bullshit.
And if the detective actually did tell the witnesses that Vanecko said he was sorry and was crying his eyes out then that detective is a complete fucking moron. Sorry.
Fuck Daley and fuck Rahm. Freedom of speech Mr. Emmanuel who resides at 4228 N Hermitage. ( public information )
Throwing a punch in self defense doesn't get you charged in crook county. Even him admitting it doesn't matter. What does matter is that even the dead kids friends say that he (dead kid) was the aggressive drunk that night. Daleys nephew shouldn't get charged.
3/23/2012 07:06:00 AM
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You go door to door for those asshole, don't you, bootlicker? Yeah, you do. You are a sellout piece of shit of the highest fucking order. You're one of those assholes on election days that pass out flyers for the dumbocRATic machine so you can feed off of their table scraps.
You are a pure piece of shit. No go fuck yourself like a good little ass licker.
Anonymous said...
Throwing a punch in self defense doesn't get you charged in crook county. Even him admitting it doesn't matter. What does matter is that even the dead kids friends say that he (dead kid) was the aggressive drunk that night. Daleys nephew shouldn't get charged.
3/23
THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT RITCHIE
3/23/2012 11:20:00 PM
Apparently none of you have any common sense as cpd cops. Mutual combat doesn't get prosecuted in cook county. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
To the other idiot that thinks a full power punch wasn't warranted. Next time some small shithead is coming at you, make sure you go easy on him, and tell us how that works out for you.
Anonymous said...
Let's face it: if the Mt. Prospect guy had knocked Vanecko to the curb abd Vanecko died, the kid would be in prison. Different rules foir different people.
3/23/2012 09:32:00 PM
All Devine did was get his kid, and all the other guys on his kids tact team promoted. Look it up BG, JK, BS, PD, some made detective, some made detective then sergeant. What a joke I let your family get away with murder and in turn you let me give my kid and his buddies the answers to the promotional test, and someone can have a job at the Attorney Generals office cause Mike Madigan is bought and paid for too!
My in laws from Bridgeport say it was Patrick Daley who killed the kid. That's why he joined the Army, to avoid prosecution under The Soldiers and Sailors Act. The witnesses could not pick out.the aggressor because the wrong person stood in at the Line up..
Anonymous said...
Tom Allen should be the present states attorney.
On the eve of the election Daley, Burke, Madigan and Hynes fucked Allen and threw their powerful support to Alvarez.
Daley did the same thing the eve of the primary election Governors race and supported the Gypsy over Paul Valles.
3/23/2012 06:23:00 PM
The Allens and Cullerton's are the most corrupt people imaginable. The results wouldn't have been any different. I've had the displeasure of dealing with this clan on the job; they are assholes.....all of them and their sponsored klingons.
I was thrilled that Tom Allen lost and that their minions were contained in the 38th Ward.
To the poster @ 3/23/2012 06:23:00 PM, Tom Allen is now a Circuit Court judge in Chancery Court. He did not get that job running as an independent. The democrat party takes care of it's own. He moved up the ladder at court quite quickly, moving up to Chancery Court from Probate Court in a matter of months.
Hark yonder sound!
*PLLLLBBBBBBBBBTTTFFAAAAAARRRRTTT*
Oh... Just Anita Alvarez letting fly through the seat of her pants with the monumental shit of realization that her goose is cooked for running interference for Daley Inc.
Hey Anita!
Watch the muthafuckin' birdy cuz you're a heartbeat away from being perp walked into the MCC on the 6 o'clock news with the world famous, "GADZOOKS! I JUST BESHAT MY KNICKERS ON LIVE TELEVISION! OH THE MORTIFICATION OF IT ALL!"
...Serves your ass right!
May all your roaches have fleas and may all your dreams and aspirations spontaneously combust into a pile of congealed, fermented, mushroom encrusted shit.
She has the power to convene a Grand Jury investigation if she wants. They can even make witnesses appear if they want. She wants him charged, she should get one of her minions to indict him.
See Anita this is what happens when you go against real attorneys that went to real law schools not the junior college of law at John Marshall that you probably went to.
According to her bio, Anita earned her Law Degree from Chicago-Kent College of Law. You must be one of the detectives
Geez. According to her bio. Are you in a states attorney fantasy league or something?
"Obama goes out of his way to comment on the Trayvon Martin shooting but never once made a comment when a black shooter walked into a Washington coffee house and killed four white police officers in cold blood."
--3/23/2012 11:38:00 PM
How about the white thirteen-year-old boy who was recently chased home from school by two black sixteen-year-olds and had gasoline poured on him and lighted as he desperately tried to get inside his house?
[crickets, sound of red hots bag blowing down the empty sidewalk]
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Throwing a punch in self defense doesn't get you charged in crook county. Even him admitting it doesn't matter. What does matter is that even the dead kids friends say that he (dead kid) was the aggressive drunk that night. Daleys nephew shouldn't get charged.
3/23
THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT RITCHIE
3/23/2012 11:20:00 PM
Apparently none of you have any common sense as cpd cops. Mutual combat doesn't get prosecuted in cook county. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
To the other idiot that thinks a full power punch wasn't warranted. Next time some small shithead is coming at you, make sure you go easy on him, and tell us how that works out for you.
3/24/2012 01:09:00 AM
If this was a justified self defense punch as you state, why all of the cover up? Why did Vanecko flee the scene? Why was the investigation screwed up with missing steps? Why were files hidden and missing? Why were the actual investigation files found years later? If this was a proper investigation and vanecko defended himself, "let a special prosecutor look at the case and end the debate"?
A two tier system of law just like a two tier system for punishment in CPD. Clouted are always taken of.
's face it: if the Mt. Prospect guy had knocked Vanecko to the curb abd Vanecko died, the kid would be in prison. Different rules foir different people.
3/23/2012 09:32:00 PM All Devine did was get his kid, and all the other guys on his kids tact team promoted. Look it up BG, JK, BS, PD, some made detective, some made detective then sergeant. What a joke I let your family get away with murder and in turn you let me give my kid and his buddies the answers to the promotional test, and someone can have a job at the Attorney Generals office cause Mike Madigan is bought and paid for too!
This post is not rumor but true, now Dick Devines kid is a Sgt. and his whole tac team which he never deserved to be on because he had zero time on the job all made detective...seriously what are the odds. Regardless if he is a "nice guy" It's the truth.
The dicks handling this sold their souls to appease the Royal family. Hope you guys sleep well at night knowing you sold your morals and disrespected the badge...
She hasn't don't anything else while in office, let's see what excuse is made up.
3/23/2012 07:41:00 PM
Thats it right there.
If anyone here had proof of criminal activities...they'd be required under the terms of their Employment to REPORT it and Depose about it on the record.
No one here talks to the Fed's to get the obvious political crooks arrested. The Crooks jam themselves up..but the Cops that "see everything" just go about the shift with blinders on, some of the gels hiding in viaducts for half the shift down on some such BS self initiated job.
If anyone here had real Stones, none of the double or triple promoted merit hacks would be around, and all the crooks in city hall would actually fear people that were CPD.
Apparently none of you have any common sense as cpd cops. Mutual combat doesn't get prosecuted in cook county. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
3/24/2012 01:09:00 AM
Hey How does Ritchies swimmers taste. Koschman didn't charge at vanecko. Vanecko blindsided the kid. Let the jury sort it out.
---These articles from the Scum Times are total bullshit. None of the witnesses could pick Vanecko out of ANY line up. Case closed.
God you daley fucks just dont let up do you. The det KNEW VANECKO'S LINEUP APPEARANCE WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT!!!
To: 3/23/2012 08:09:00 AM
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I suggest spending time getting to know these dazzling little urbanites. Afterall, I have little doubt that if you work at an Apple store, you voted for Osam...I mean Obama, think that everything should be handed to these poor unfortunate street urchins, and that by doing so, karma will bestow upon you a six figure do-nothing job to reward you for your efforts.
Goodbye Anita You had your fun now you get to look over your shoulder for those pesky feds who could be coming to arrest you any day now.
How about the white thirteen-year-old boy who was recently chased home from school by two black sixteen-year-olds and had gasoline poured on him and lighted as he desperately tried to get inside his house?
[crickets, sound of red hots bag blowing down the empty sidewalk]
3/24/2012 08:49:00 AM
***** ***** ****** *****
Because if Obamao had a son he wouldn't look like that boy, so he doesn't matter.
Anyway, the police acted stupidly.
Anonymous said...
To the poster @ 3/23/2012 06:23:00 PM, Tom Allen is now a Circuit Court judge in Chancery Court. He did not get that job running as an independent. The democrat party takes care of it's own. He moved up the ladder at court quite quickly, moving up to Chancery Court from Probate Court in a matter of months.
3/24/2012 04:21:00 AM
Hard to lose an election when you run unopposed, as Tom Allen did this election cycle. The machine takes care of its own.
David Koschman (RIP) and his family have suffered the unconsciable affects of the daley crime family for eight long years. Nothing, absolutely nothing will ever come of this for this heart broken family. Nothing until the current POTUS is voted out and a Republican is voted in to initiate several investigations though a new Attorney General. One being the cover-up by alverez and the sheep working out of Area 3. The second being the calls made between Chicago and DC regarding the issue, I'm sure there are some young GOP FBI agents chomping at the bit to be cut loose. Third, how bout and indictment on Fast and Furious. And on and on and on...........
The POTUS, having come this cesspool, Chicago, has his players in place for any thing that may arise in his good ole (second) home town. You know, just in case something pops up that would effect the status quo. If daley needs his nephew untouched and protected, he gets it done via the ultimate phone call. To keep ole shortshanks happy and QUIET, the call goes to the POTUS, from TinyD 9.5, then trickles down through AG holder, then on down to AUSA Fitzgerald who then get his hit list handed to him. HANDS OFF THE DALEY SYNDICATE and concentrate on Blago's barber for letting the cat out of the bag about the gray hair...........bastard.
Time to read DRUDGE. Stay safe, shoot first and ask questions later.
If anyone here had real Stones, none of the double or triple promoted merit hacks would be around, and all the crooks in city hall would actually fear people that were CPD.
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Welcome, welcome to the machine!!!!!!!!!
If this was a justified self defense punch as you state, why all of the cover up? Why did Vanecko flee the scene? Why was the investigation screwed up with missing steps? Why were files hidden and missing? Why were the actual investigation files found years later? If this was a proper investigation and vanecko defended himself, "let a special prosecutor look at the case and end the debate"?
A two tier system of law just like a two tier system for punishment in CPD. Clouted are always taken of.
3/24/2012 09:36:00 AM
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How about because no detective saves misdemeanor paperwork, just felony files are stored in the Area offices. Granted, this one was huge, and I would have saved it in my locker, or in a safe deposit box really, but apparently they did not. Anyway, I can see it.
The dicks handling this sold their souls to appease the Royal family. Hope you guys sleep well at night knowing you sold your morals and disrespected the badge...
3/24/2012 10:01:00 AM
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ONLY if Vanecko admitted it and the Det's didn't record that. And that's a big "IF."
Area 5 JG re-looked at this later, and JG is as straight as they come. It's all non-chargeable my friend.
Every single step Alvarez has taken has been to keep information from the public. Every single step. And every single step just convinces more and more people that someone connected got away with murder, not due to a poor investigation or a crappy job collecting evidence. Someone got away with it because it was Daley's nephew.
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POSTED BY SCC AT 6:01 AM
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Why no hollering & moaning over this "murder" ???
JJ ? Obama ??? Sharpton ???
I see, he's the wrong race, Right ?????
You guys are so full of shit !!!!@
Apparently none of you have any common sense as cpd cops. Mutual combat doesn't get prosecuted in cook county. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
To the other idiot that thinks a full power punch wasn't warranted. Next time some small shithead is coming at you, make sure you go easy on him, and tell us how that works out for you.
3/24/2012 01:09:00 AM
Mutual? With such a disparity of height and weight? Hardly.
Apparently none of you have any common sense as cpd cops. Mutual combat doesn't get prosecuted in cook county. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
To the other idiot that thinks a full power punch wasn't warranted. Next time some small shithead is coming at you, make sure you go easy on him, and tell us how that works out for you.
3/24/2012 01:09:00 AM
Mutual? With such a disparity of height and weight? Hardly.
Anita, Does any of this seem familiar? The party threw another pretty, young, hispanic, rising star under the bus once before. They obviously believe your kind are expendable.
Box Chevy hit the nail on the head. This no longer has anything to do w/Vanecko, Koschman, detectives, etc. This is going to be Anita Alvarez's swan song. She is going to be the corrupt dog on this bone.
Why didn't anybody mention this "mystery" detective before Joe Ferguson got involved? Because it never happened and they are lying perhaps? Or they just had total recall 7 years later? Give me a break. The sun times is about as reliable as the national enquirer.
The crook county states attorney is a joke! If you are connected you get away with murder. If you are a cop they will fight tooth and nail to wreck your life! They are scum bags. Been there and seen it!
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