FOP Responds
No matter what you read in the Sun Times quoting “off the record” sources, there is no dispute between the FOP and the City regarding upcoming contract negotiations. Our agreement was timely re-opened on March 20, 2012, well within the time limits that apply for modifications that would improve your labor agreement, address the critical issue of manpower, the safety of the public and of police officers, increase your wages and improve officers’ welfare. Under the Illinois Public Labor Relations Act, 5 ILCS 315/7, a party to a collective bargaining agreement must terminate or modify the agreement by giving the other side notice of the intent to terminate or modify the agreement 60 days before the expiration date. Our contract expires June 30. Therefore, any notice before May 1 would have been timely notice. The IPLRA does not require us to give the City notice by March 1.
However, the labor agreement, Section 28.1, is anything but clear and unambiguous. The agreement provides that “notice of termination” must be given by March 1, 2012. FOP never intended to send a notice of termination. Our labor agreement needs modifications, not termination.
Labels: contract stuff, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:00 AM
66 Comments:
All I know is Rahms home address is 4228 N Hermitage which he made public record when he stated Amy Rule, his wife, stored her wedding dress in the attic of said address. Hermitage is a one way street going north and there is easy access to said address via the metra rail system 3 blocks away. All public information...
I cetainly hope that this is a strategy,if not, Mike you Fucked up big time, as well as whoever else was responsible, maybe Sid who was forced out?? or maybe Bill Dougherty-1st VP or maybe Dan Gorman, or Rich Aguilar??
I would like to hear Greg Bella's response to this. I am much more inclined to believe what Greg says than the political puppet Shields.
It looks like Shields sold us out!
The Mayor does not want labor unrest during the NATO Summit.
The FOP will be playing in the Racoon's yard. He is a ruthless little bastard and will gut the contract.
As discussed today at work: Section 28.1 spells out what would need to transpire in the event either party (FOP or the City) had plans to completely abandon ("terminate" is the exact word) the contract as we know it when it's up on 30 June.
Since its inception, FOP has never allowed that to happen because that would effectively end every collective bargaining right we've fought for and won - medical policies, seniority rights for furloughs, bidding for units and watches, salaries, work schedules, overtime for court, etc., etc. All those benefits would be moot and we'd have to fight to regain them.
The city, upon hearing we willingly waived the continuation of the existing contract until a new one was in place, would be able to have their way with us: imagine 20% pay cuts for all patrolmen, reduced medical/dental, no pay for court appearances (like it used to be - ask a dinosaur/retiree about those days), all promotions based on "merit", no more Duty Availability or Uniform Allowance, etc. The list of how we'd get fucked is endless. But here's why it'll never happen...
WITHOUT A CONTRACT WE'D BE ABLE TO STRIKE
Imagine even 20-25% of any districts manpower (particularly the ghetto districts) not showing up to work on a hot Friday night in August. We would bring this city to its knees instantly.
So even if, HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, FOP missed some kind of deadline to declare our intentions where we WILLINGLY forfeited our every right, the city wouldn't act on it for fear of what would happen when FOP then said: "Ok, you caught us with our pants down. But now, fuck you, we're going on strike". Do you see the absurdity and unlikelihood of the whole scenario? Ain't gonna happen, folks. There's too much collective knowledge at the helm of our union to just "forget" something of this magnitude.
This move by the FOP is probably the first of many in what amounts to a game of chess. Drawing out contract talks ensures all the protections and rights we currently enjoy stay in effect and can't be diminished until agreed upon or decided through the arbitration process. And the status quo isn't necessarily a bad thing taking into account the economy and Rahm's track record with contracts (see CPS for details). Like contracts past, this one will surely take a few years to resolve given the amount of issues that will need resolution and clarification.
As for the ambiguity in the verbiage between our contract and that of the Illinois Public Labor Relations Act, it is my opinion that this may actually be to our benefit as the interpretation can be manipulated by the attorneys of both parties, not just the city's legal team. At face value, it appears we are not bound by concrete rules and lopsided restrictions that favor 9-and-a-half.
So don't get too wound up over anything yet, folks. It's way too early in the game to lay down and take a beating. This is little more than City Hall-orchestrated dissension to further Rahm's goal of a complete Divide and Conquer of all unions. Stand pat and have some faith in your union. And pick up a copy of our contract when you have a few minutes. The knowledge you'll find in that book will alleviate a lot of the frustration and misguided criticism the uniformed detractors dish out here.
G. Popiela - 011
If the rumors are true Shields is done.
Rahm's shysters are hard at work for him. He's got them working on circumventing the constitution to fuck with our pensions. How do you think his shysters will interpret this? With our best interest in mind? Keep dreaming.
This is all part of 9 1/2's plan to divide and conquer and those who are posting for no confidence votes, public floggings, etc are playing right into his digit deficient hands.
FOP f38ked up! That is the long and the short of it. The boys need to read the contract. They have been in office for a year now, not including the others who served under Donahue for 6 years. Who was the brillant lawyer, who forgot to tell Shields about the provision in the contract mandating collective bargaining?
To the unpublished "jumping the gun," aka FOP Board member:
Maybe you missed it, but the entire incident appeared on the Sun Times website and in their paper. We didn't "jump" anything and we didn't "start any controversy." We posted about a story in the Sun Times to provide our readers with a forum to discuss and enlighten each other.
Can your ego admit that you're an asshat?
I know we are totally fucked because the Sgt's and Lt's union filed the request with the city and the FLOP did not.
People's heads need to be put on a pike.
To: G. Popiela - 011
3/29/2012 01:51:00 AM
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You should run for FOP president. Excellent, reasonable, well written, and informative post. Well Done! Thank you.
This whole thing is a non-issue orchestrated by chicken-little's who can't be bothered to read the contract. The only letter that FOP needs to send is one stating FOP's intent to negotiate a successor (not new) contract and that letter must be send a minimum of 60 days prior to the expiration of the current contract. This date is May 1 or April 30th depending on how you count. FOP sent that letter on March 20 well within the time limits.
G. Popiela - 011
3/29/2012 01:51:00 AM
So, what you are saying is that the Sun Times, allegedly an independent media source, is really in the bag for this administration?
I find this news shocking. A media source completely controlled by the Mayor and his cronies? Of course when there were several homicides, including a triple, and the front page is a story about revolting Dennis Rodman and his money troubles...I guess maybe I can believe it.
To the unpublished "jumping the gun," aka FOP Board member:
SCC do not explain yourself to anyone. You have brought many stories to light and there is no doubt in my mind that the incompetent FOP would like you to keep your mouth shut. Keep up the great work and keep exposing this city and FOP for what it is. They are young, inexperienced, arrogant, liars, and have zero honor among them. One thing that would be great if you could do. Please try to find out the salaries of everyone at FOP. Thank God for this blog and the hard work you do where we have a place to come and vent after work. Since Ira's closed, it's nice to come here and read the comments, laugh and have a beer. Old School
Glen,
While I appreciate the fact that you (and others) took the time to try to understand what 28.1 means, it's time to stop carrying the cross for Shields. Simply put, he fucked up.
By providing notice that was required in 28.1, we were not terminating or ending our contract. We were simply giving the official notice that we need a new contract at the expiration of this one. I don't care what any of the fools upstairs at 1412 are trying to spin. We essentially just agreed to a year long extension with no benefit in return.
I know people are saying that waiting until the economy is better should be beneficial to us as Benn stuck it to us last time citing the crap economy. But this is also flawed logic. The city will always try to get the "biggest bang for their buck" no matter how much money is in the coffers. The "it's for the children" mantra will simply be replaced with "it's for the tax payers."
In short, we will always have to battle, to show time and time again that we are worthy of a raise that meets or exceeds the cost of living. And by allowing our contract to extend by a year, that has cost us. If nothing else, it has cost us a great amount of negotiating tactical advantage.
Keep up the good fight. But please realize that Shields and the others up there are no longer the good fight.
Thanks to one guy from 011 who gets it
Whoever planted this story is probably from the hall or really hates the police dept and the fop
FOP DID NOT FU@& UP!!!
However all these ignorant comments are arming the enemy! ( by ignorant I mean only that the commenters are unaware or unknowing)
RULE NUMBER ONE- NEVER GIVE AMMO TO YOUR ENEMIES!!!
This is a Frank Main/Fran Spielman Scum-Times article written, bought, and paid for by the tiny dancer. Don't get your panties in a bunch just yet. Carefully planned tactic by City Hall. Anonymous source, What a bunch of b.s., these fish ain't bitin'
FOP's "explanation" makes no sense. They say they did not want to terminate the current contract, because then they would loose the benefits of the contract.(duty availability, uniform allowance, etc.)Yet, 28.2 plainly says, "not with standing any provision to the contrary, this Agreement will remain in full force and effect while negotiations are continuing for a new agreement." This has been in the contract since 1985. Police and fire have always given notice of termination and no one has ever lost duty availability or uniform allowance or any other benefit after the notice of termination has been given. How is that anything but clear ?
These clauses are pretty clear to me now. I'm not sure who dropped the ball at FOP, but it's a big mistake.
Starting with 28.1. It's similar to a Lease contract, if no notice of termination is given, the contract extends for an additional year. In this case, the FOP contract has now been extended until June 2013. If you read the next line it says, "by either party". That clearly indicates the FOP or THE CITY can submit the notice to terminate. If we are to believe this notice would end the contract and leave the membership without contract rights, then THE CITY could simply do it to the membership by submitting the notice themselves.
Moving on to 28.2 we have "Notwithstanding any provision of this Article or Agreement to t he contrary, this Agreement shall remain in full force and effect after any expiration date while negotiations or Resolution of Impasse Procedures are continuing for a new Agreement or part thereof between the Parties." This is the protection clause, this keeps the contract in force during negotiations.
The way this is written means you must terminate to negotiate; two separate letters. One by March 1st, the other 60 days prior to the CONTRACT EXPIRATION date. IN THIS case, that was June 30, 2012, but is now June 30, 2013.
THAT IS UNLESS RAHM DECIDES TO OVERLOOK THE ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR AND ALLOW NEGOTIATIONS TO CONTINUE THIS YEAR.
FOP f38ked up! That is the long and the short of it. The boys need to read the contract. They have been in office for a year now, not including the others who served under Donahue for 6 years. Who was the brillant lawyer, who forgot to tell Shields about the provision in the contract mandating collective bargaining?
3/29/2012 04:16:00 AM
Paul Geiger if general counsel, it has to fall on him. Would Pleines have fucked this up?
And to all of you who buy into FOP's nonsense that this was a strategy move or that the letter is not needed ask FOP why all the other unions sent their letters (i checked, they did). This is not a contract modification as FOP contends, although many parts of the contract will remain the same by agreement, FOP shoud be negotiating a new contract. A modification to the contract is usually made by agreement by both parties and is not subject to arbitration. A negotiation for a new contract can be decided by arbitration, which is what has ocurred in the past number of contracts.
Are some of you complete idiots? Even after being given the explanation you insist its a conspiracy. Fuck! Sometimes I really think I chose the wrong career with some of you in the dame field.
Here's my concerns about Shields:
- he's the full time FOP president
- his position on the pension board is full time
- he works for a security firm "part time" in a management position
Is it ego, ability or stupidity? I guess time will tell.
FOP f38ked up! That is the long and the short of it. The boys need to read the contract. They have been in office for a year now, not including the others who served under Donahue for 6 years. Who was the brillant lawyer, who forgot to tell Shields about the provision in the contract mandating collective bargaining?
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Speaking of lawyers, who is negotiating the new contract?
Is it true the new FOP Board is making a change in the firm that has represented the FOP from the beginning?
Sounds like another BIG mistake.
If they were to terminate the contract, there would be none. Right now the old contract stays in effect until a new one is signed. That was the employees will get the protections of the contract.
Greg Bella loves this dept.
Greg Bella went out everyday on a limb for the officers in blue.
Greg Bella would never of let this happen and
Greg Bella was not elected because Shields is a Rahman puppet.
Greg Bella should of Been our president! But the brain washed youngsters on this job believed what Shields was feeding them. Well now - is officers in blue are gonna get it right in the ass by Rahm and our own union. Shields is a joke.
Question-
Has he ever, ever had a news conference regarding police shootings and lack of man power.
NO!
Greg Bella please come back. !!
Enjoy your retirement. You got out just in time.
Fuck this new FOP Board!
SCC: No confidence vote for Shields
As for the ambiguity in the verbiage between our contract and that of the Illinois Public Labor Relations Act, it is my opinion that this may actually be to our benefit as the interpretation can be manipulated by the attorneys of both parties, not just the city's legal team. At face value, it appears we are not bound by concrete rules and lopsided restrictions that favor 9-and-a-half.
I would be more relieved if this was coming from a Labor Attorney...instead of a Shields team desk jockey.
There's too much collective knowledge at the helm of our union to just "forget" something of this magnitude.
Really? Why did the Capts, Lts, Sgts and Fire all send the letters by the deadline?
All this means is there will be no retro for 2012 if the city chooses not to negotiate for 2012, I'm sure Mike can make up the lost percentage in the following years. All part of the master plan, don't worry.
If the rumors are true Shields is done
No he is not!
As discussed today at work: Section 28.1 spells out what would need to transpire in the event either party (FOP or the City) had plans to completely abandon ("terminate" is the exact word) the contract as we know it when it's up on 30 June.
Since its inception, FOP has never allowed that to happen because that would effectively end every collective bargaining right we've fought for and won - medical policies, seniority rights for furloughs, bidding for units and watches, salaries, work schedules, overtime for court, etc., etc. All those benefits would be moot and we'd have to fight to regain them.
The city, upon hearing we willingly waived the continuation of the existing contract until a new one was in place, would be able to have their way with us: imagine 20% pay cuts for all patrolmen, reduced medical/dental, no pay for court appearances (like it used to be - ask a dinosaur/retiree about those days), all promotions based on "merit", no more Duty Availability or Uniform Allowance, etc. The list of how we'd get fucked is endless. But here's why it'll never happen...
Read the beginning of Sec 28.1; it states "It (contract)shall continue in effect from year to year THEREAFTER unless notice of termination is given, in writting, by certified mail, by either party no earlier that Feb 1, 2012 and nop later than March 1, 2010." The city along with FOP has to abide by the contract. You do not loos your rights!
Termination of a contract is different than modification. You don't want to terminate and start from zero. You want to tweak what you have. Here's hoping people on here are better cops than lawyers . . .
You can't blame mike for this one Donahue should have told him to send the letter. Donahue should be fired for this gaffe.
The Mayor does not want labor unrest during the NATO Summit.
What r u talking about.. he isn't worried about us, will have us all occupied working the detail, and contracts not up will well after... same BS as during the D.N.C... you must not be on the job long...
Since its inception, FOP has never allowed that to happen because that would effectively end every collective bargaining right we've fought for and won - medical policies, seniority rights for furloughs, bidding for units and watches, salaries, work schedules, overtime for court, etc., etc. All those benefits would be moot and we'd have to fight to regain them
Not true the FOP has always sent the letter and the current benefits reamined in force.
WITHOUT A CONTRACT WE'D BE ABLE TO STRIKE
And, then, you would be fired.
fop will lose medical , duty availabilty benefits next contract
G. Popiela - 011
3/29/2012 01:51:00 AM
and the sad thing is, that, other than the comments on this subject that have been made by, and for the benefit of, those politically ambitious members, many seem to not have figured this out on their own, thus necessitating multiple explanations.
no wonder divide and conquer has been working so well for so long.
Double check on the ability to strike. Federal law may prohibit it regardless of contract status. I believe it varies from state to state tho. Fire and police supposedly can never strike, CFD did it with "Brotherhood of the Barrel" in mid 80s (?) however. The language is not 100% concrete as I read it. Excellent points made by person in 11 - I agree nothing of the sort would even get close to happening, but we still might not be able to strike w/o a contract in place (again this prob would never happen). I think federal civil service employees have been fired over taking a strike action, but if memory serves me correct it was postal and airline workers under Carter(?) Reagan (?). Lotta legal mumbo jumbo to sort thru before CPD would ever think about this, but it would never happen. Would be fun to see what would happen after a day of no police in 006 or 007!!!
This shit is and other way to say, we're getting fked by the city and our own sell outs "F.O.P." which stands for Fuck Our Policemen.
there is easy access to said address via the metra rail system 3 blocks away. All public information...
3/29/2012 12:12:00 AM
brown line L is 3 blocks (irving or montrose), metra stop is up at lawrence, farther away.
Fran is still a troll. She trolls the blog looking for stories and she looks like a troll.
Everyone needs to go to the next FOP meeting and here what Shields has to say because right now I am pissed. He f#^&K up big. He just affected me in the pocket and he needs to resign or come clean. Everyone Better be at the next meeting.
That WHOLE FOP response is BS. manpower is not an issue subject to negotiations. You can't even get two mAn cars in the contract. The Person who wrote FOP response is probably same who didn't read deadlLine. Definitely not a labor atty. probably FOPs lead for our team at the table. Congrats. Cmdr ONeill should be an easy ride for you and David
Greg Bella should of Been our president! But the brain washed youngsters on this job believed what Shields was feeding them. Well now - is officers in blue are gonna get it right in the ass by Rahm and our own union. Shields is a joke.
Wait wait... were u guys happy with last contract? How did we go from 17% offer over 4 years, to 10% over 5... were was Bella then? Can't blame mike on that... bunch of BS whiners
Fire and police supposedly can never strike, CFD did it with "Brotherhood of the Barrel" in mid 80s (?) however. The language is not 100% concrete as I read it
That's why the person from 011 says "HYPOTHETICALLY" speaking and it was their OPINION. YES we can strike without a contract, we'd just have to see if they'd actually fire us. But as other posts say , it would never get that far. I for one have a family and mortgage and all the other bills that most of us have, I wouldn't want to be the test case, but I'd bet they'd give us what we demanded , with in reason of course, before they fired us. Still a non issue any way you slice it. Not every fireman that participated in BOB got fired, just saying
Double check on the ability to strike. Federal law may prohibit it regardless of contract status. I believe it varies from state to state tho. Fire and police supposedly can never strike, CFD did it with "Brotherhood of the Barrel" in mid 80s (?) however. The language is not 100% concrete as I read it. Excellent points made by person in 11 - I agree nothing of the sort would even get close to happening, but we still might not be able to strike w/o a contract in place (again this prob would never happen). I think federal civil service employees have been fired over taking a strike action, but if memory serves me correct it was postal and airline workers under Carter(?) Reagan (?). Lotta legal mumbo jumbo to sort thru before CPD would ever think about this, but it would never happen. Would be fun to see what would happen after a day of no police in 006 or 007!!!
3/29/2012 12:06:00 PM
Our STATE law prohibits it.
Everyone needs to go to the next FOP meeting and here what Shields has to say because right now I am pissed. He f#^&K up big. He just affected me in the pocket and he needs to resign or come clean. Everyone Better be at the next meeting.
I would really like to hear how he affected you in the pocket book... please explain genius... let us know how u have come to that conclusion
"Anonymous said... As discussed today at work: Section 28.1 spells out what would need to transpire in the event either party (FOP or the City) had plans to completely abandon ("terminate" is the exact word) the contract as we know it when it's up on 30 June.
Since its inception, FOP has never allowed that to happen because that would effectively end every collective bargaining right we've fought for and won - medical policies, seniority rights for furloughs, bidding for units and watches, salaries, work schedules, overtime for court, etc., etc. All those benefits would be moot and we'd have to fight to regain them.
The city, upon hearing we willingly waived the continuation of the existing contract until a new one was in place, would be able to have their way with us: imagine 20% pay cuts for all patrolmen, reduced medical/dental, no pay for court appearances (like it used to be - ask a dinosaur/retiree about those days), all promotions based on "merit", no more Duty Availability or Uniform Allowance, etc. The list of how we'd get fucked is endless. But here's why it'll never happen...
Read the beginning of Sec 28.1; it states "It (contract)shall continue in effect from year to year THEREAFTER unless notice of termination is given, in writting, by certified mail, by either party no earlier that Feb 1, 2012 and nop later than March 1, 2010." The city along with FOP has to abide by the contract. You do not loos your rights!
3/29/2012 10:18:00 AM"
Very well explained, and completely wrong.
You must be from FOP
SCC do not explain yourself to anyone. You have brought many stories to light and there is no doubt in my mind that the incompetent FOP would like you to keep your mouth shut. Keep up the great work and keep exposing this city and FOP for what it is. They are young, inexperienced, arrogant, liars, and have zero honor among them. One thing that would be great if you could do. Please try to find out the salaries of everyone at FOP. Thank God for this blog and the hard work you do where we have a place to come and vent after work. Since Ira's closed, it's nice to come here and read the comments, laugh and have a beer. Old School
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Those were great years at Ira's. These young punks know nothing about police work. This Shield is a fake you will see he will hang himself.
Thanks to one guy from 011 who gets it
Whoever planted this story is probably from the hall or really hates the police dept and the fop
FOP DID NOT FU@& UP!!!
However all these ignorant comments are arming the enemy! ( by ignorant I mean only that the commenters are unaware or unknowing)
RULE NUMBER ONE- NEVER GIVE AMMO TO YOUR ENEMIES!!!
YOU REALLY ARE AN IDIOT!! Get off the blog Mikey. Rule Number One, Do the job you were elected for. Stop the BS and get your mind in the game. All of you who believe this is a strategy then we might as well give up the union. This was a screw up. Take a look at who these FOP idiots are.
How much does the FOP members make? Can anyone answer that question?
We would not be able to strike. That precedent goes back to the Boston Police Strike of 1919, which was crushed by then Massachusetts Governor Calvin Coolidge. The guiding principle is that those responsible for law and order cannot step down from that responsibility over contract issues. Coolridge rode the union busting into the White House as he was hard on "bolsheviks".
You guys don't go to your own union meetings. You better get hands on.
Anonymous said...
How much does the FOP members make? Can anyone answer that question?
3/29/2012 07:05:00 PM
Hey Troll, f**k off!!! If you really are the police you should be able to find out exactly what each FOP board member makes.
I would really like to hear how he affected you in the pocket book... please explain genius... let us know how u have come to that conclusion
SHIELDS you are an idiot to make that statement!!!
RedWine/BlackPowder said...
We would not be able to strike. That precedent goes back to the Boston Police Strike of 1919, which was crushed by then Massachusetts Governor Calvin Coolidge. The guiding principle is that those responsible for law and order cannot step down from that responsibility over contract issues. Coolridge rode the union busting into the White House as he was hard on "bolsheviks".
I stand corrected, and thanks for the history lesson. I was misinformed and cited hypothetical situations and my opinion based on my interpretation of information obtained from various sources, both within and outside of the CPD. However, wrong is wrong, and wrong I was.
Regardless, I still contend this whole situation is being exploited (and possibly created) by the Emanuel administration to divide and conquer the rank and file. And from all indication here, it seems to be working.
G. Popiela - 011
Hats off to Walter Jacobsen, he stood behind us on this one. Refreshing.
Termination of a contract is different than modification. You don't want to terminate and start from zero. You want to tweak what you have. Here's hoping people on here are better cops than lawyers . . .
3/29/2012 10:24:00 AM
Don't hold your breath.
Good points Popiela, others would be well served to take them to heart. Divide and conquer is literally the oldest game in humanity people. Read the contract. Relax.
Just because Rahm calls the tune doesn't mean you have to dance to it.
That WHOLE FOP response is BS. manpower is not an issue subject to negotiations. You can't even get two mAn cars in the contract. The Person who wrote FOP response is probably same who didn't read deadlLine. Definitely not a labor atty. probably FOPs lead for our team at the table. Congrats. Cmdr ONeill should be an easy ride for you and David
3/29/2012 04:38:00 PM
This is true, CFD just lost the manning rights they had had in their contract. Courts decided that other Fire Protection Districts operate same equipment safely with fewer firefighters. Hiring is not a subject for negotiations, and employee safety as it relates to "manning" is not open to negotiations without the acquisition of both parties.
If Glen Popiela is the editor of the FOP newsletter, why doesn't he just cut the store ad, or the SAT test prep BS and publish some real union news? Why can't he put something timely and of interest to coppers on the FOP website? Get off the blog Glen! Go ask your friend Shields for some air time of your own.
Oh, you did? No go? Sorry Glen. Maybe you should ask again with something in it for Mikey?
That language is for a pre-emptive work stoppages
so that the company can hire SCABS & STRIKE BREAKERS in advance of a job action if a federal injunction fails.
Just another of the BIG BROTHER LAWS backup civil language demanded by the company's goon lawyers communists and parasites of the working man.
Anonymous said...
fop will lose medical , duty availabilty benefits next contract
3/29/2012 10:49:00 AM
Where have you been? The medical has already been "lost" via modifications DURING a contract that is in force.
Every officer who voted for Michael Shields as President, someone who only had 11 years tenure, to represent a major barginning union; and for every officer who neglected to take the time to vote for any of the elected officers or attend any of the meetings-- SHAME ON YOU. YOU GOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU DESERVE!!!
Still loved your post in which you bitch slapped Mikey Shields. He so richly deserved it.
http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2011/04/oh-mikey-mikey-mikey.html
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