Saturday, March 24, 2012

Missed Deadline?

A couple of comments popping up. Someone want to explain and then verify?
  • I heard a rumor from a reliable source in iad that the genius legal minds at fop missed a critical deadline required by the contract (look it up).

    Anyone from fop care to comment? Can we sue our own lawyers for malpractice?

  • Section 28.1 — Term of Agreement.
    This Agreement shall be effective from July 1, 2007 and shall remain in full force and effect until June 30, 2012. It shall continue in effect from year to year thereafter unless notice of termination is given, in writing, by certified mail, by
    either party no earlier than February 1, 2012 and no later than March 1, 2012. The notices referred to shall be considered to have been given as of the date shown on the postmark. Written notice may be tendered in person, in which case the date of notice shall be the written date of receipt. It is mutually agreed that the Articles and Sections shall constitute the Agreement between the parties for the period defined in this Section.
Someone want to address this? Have we just been backdoored by our own lawyers? Or is this much ado about nothing?

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85 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jaysus

3/24/2012 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah,Little Mikey Shields is Rahm's Beeyotch..In advance notice to the Shields Team: GFYS...

3/24/2012 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would we want to terminate our contract? We want it to remain in effect otherwise we lose everything!!! No contract is much different than working under an expired contract.

3/24/2012 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the section again-notice has to be made if its terminated! FOP didnt have to do anything. The rumor is bs and the person sending it is a moron. A P.O. With a law degree

3/24/2012 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the last general meeting March 20th, the reply to the contract question was there were 2 meetings with the city. Of course nothing can be said on what if anything came out of those meetings.

3/24/2012 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the next section:

Section 28.2-Continuing Effect

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28.1 only means that if you want to terminate the current contract, you must mention it by certified mail.

Why would you want to terminate the current contract

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Section 28.2 Continuing Effect

meaning that this contract will be in effect after it expires this summer AND nothing will change until we (FOP & City) agree on issues or go to arbitration.

The City will stall for 3 years, like previous contract talks and wait to the 3rd year... settle before they are required to pay interest on any retro checks (the interest thing is the reason why we magically get a contract before 3 yrs pass)

Read the contract, it's not that hard to understand.

BUT, I have worked with officers who can't write probable cause in arrest reports.

Maybe the FOP should put out a contract with pictures for the 'tards

3/24/2012 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone in english explain what that legal mumbo jumbo means please. So what does any of this mean.

3/24/2012 12:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before this thread becomes a "Slam the FOP and it's Leadership" rant, lets remember a few things.

1) The media has a liberal, almost left wing bias.

2) Anonymous blog posters are often no better than bathroom stall scribblers.

3) There is not a single CPS boss or exempt that would receive universal praise.

4) Police who bitch and complain about everything/anyone are the vocal minority that does not represent the majority of Policeman.

I enjoy reading SCC for its entertainment value and often times scoop on inside information. But the posters, myself included, hide behind the veil of anonymity. And too often that are whiny cry babies who have a platform to assassinate a persons character in a vile manor.

Lets also remember that when Mike Shields was a patrolman working a beat car, he stood up publicly with a Fox news camera in his face,to confront a heavily clouted Daley appointee who happens to be openly gay. Plus he stood up to the City Treasurer for questionable activity. Do any of you reading this have the balls to do that? Most of us are too afraid of jeopardizing our spots.

When we do this, we are no better than the left wing media which we despise! Media trolls scan this blog and what is posted here can be used by Rham to weaken our positions. As my mother used to say, "If you cant say anything nice about someone then dont say anything at all" Or in the words of Lincoln " It is better to be thought a fool and remain silent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

Now sit back and watch my post get slammed!

3/24/2012 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If its true it falls right on the lap of shields. He is in charge. When your in charge you make sure stuff gets done. You dont just assume that things will get done... especially something as huge as the contract! If they screwed this up shields needs to be gone immediately. he is completely inept

3/24/2012 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't see a problem. The contract stays in effect until the next one is agreed upon. What the hell else would we do. Why would we file to terminate the contract? The FOP and the city haveen't had one meeting yet. The only way this would need to be filed would be if we agreed upon a new contract early. Maybe I'm wrong.

3/24/2012 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP 7 contract was set to expire on June 30, 2012. This is no longer the case because FOP President Mike Shields and Attorney Paul Geigher forgot to draft a simple letter. 

Per the Collective Bargaining Agreement ("CBA") Article 28.1,  either party must terminate the existing CBA with notice to the other Party between February 1,
,2012 through March 1, 2012. FOP forgot to send this letter. As a result, the existing  CBA remains in effect for another year.  No big deal right? Wrong!

This  means that there are no  pay raises for the second half of 2012 and first half of 2013 and no retroactive pay.   President Mike Shields' and Attorney Paul Geigher's mistake will cost police officers a well-deserved raise and extended a five year contract to six years.

Is FOP President Mike Shields in bed with Don O'Neil and Rahm E. because M. Shields just saved the City millions of dollars while selling out the men and women of CPD.

FOP dropped the ball and there is no way that this big mistake can be spun to look like it was a smooth contract negotiating maneuver by FOP.

The membership was never asked whether the CBA should be extended another year especially with no raises and no retro.  I hate to say it, but Bella and Pleines would have known to send the Article 28.1 letter.

Maybe FOP should wake up and stop eating on Rush Street, going to Hawks games and playing Hockey. 

The people responsible for this need to be held accountable regardless of their leadership position, i.e., removed from Office and fired as FOP Attorney.

I know Don O'Neil is laughing like a hyenia tonight. 

3/24/2012 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP should just post the letter on the website to shut-up Don O'Neil. 

This is why FOP never has any news to report regarding the Contract, NATO, promotions, etc. 

The Executive Board spews the same propaganda every FOP meeting regarding grievances,  DSPs, call-outs and IAD/IPRA meditations. I used to look forward to attending the monthly FOP meetings, it was a way to get away from the wife for a few hours, and learn about what's going on with the job. Now, I'd rather stay home and listen to my wife's nagging instead of that FOP rhetoric about manpower.

Seriously, in regards to the contract, is there a contract negotiation team in place? Does FOP have a strategy for contract negotiations? It looks like that answer is no. I'm so looking forward to no raise and no retro, not really!  

As evidenced by this blunder, it's apparent that FOP knows nothing about the contract.  Unfortunately, I bet FOP can tell you about the fishing tournament, picnic, vest safety day and health fair. 

Granted such events are benefits to the members, but who really cares about this stuff. I'm sure the membership cares more about promotions and contractual raises and benefits instead of some blood test given by a health care company that probably gives kickbacks to the FOP Board. 

At the last FOP meeting, I did get a good laugh when that ET called out Shields and Company. She has major juevos. BTW, Why isn't that hearing for the charges filed against the FOP Board open to the membership? Can she amend her complaint to add breach of fiduciary duties? I think this ET should be the special prosecutor regarding the impeachment of Mike Shields and Paul Geigher. Can I get a second? 

3/24/2012 01:39:00 AM  
Anonymous West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...

What am I missing?

I just took a quick look at the referenced section (28.1) and it seems to delineate what needs be done if, for some reason, either our union or the city has ideas of breaking ("notice of termination") the part of our current contract that allows it to extend (ostensibly forever) as written once the 30 June 12 expiration passes.

It reads: "It shall continue in effect from year to year unless termination is given,...by either party...". Are people suggesting a fuck-up by FOP for missing this 'critical deadline'? The critical deadline missed would be the one month period from 01 Feb - 01 Mar 12 where FOP would have to initiate and agree to foregoing the contract as currently worded until a new one is hammered-out starting 01 July 12. The way I read it is that both parties have a one month window to make this suggestion - and I doubt FOP would even entertain such a thought. Not unless (yeah, I know...I'm dreaming) we were offered 5%+ per year, lifted residency and all promtions by test score - just for starters.

On the other hand, I could totally see the city trying to negate any and all of our contractual protections; the recent reshuffling of manpower, cutting out-of-grade pay, manipulating the contract language to fuck the folks in TRU and MSF and circumventing contractually protected rights to snag a few brainless dolts for their latest Pet Project (MFF) are just a few of the ways the city's bent the rules in their favor. Why would they stop there, right? Now if the city made FOP aware that this is their intention, and FOP failed to notify the membership, then there should be Hell to pay. However, I don't see that being the case.

Expect the 30 June 12 contract expiration date to come and go like it's done every other time our contract's come up for renewal. Expect arbitration to be drawn out for at least two years. Expect the city to come after one or more of our holidays and an increase in our medical. Expect to be able to sell back up to 200 CU hours a year like supervisors under the guise of it benefitting you, when in reality it works out better for the city to pay you now and not 10, 15 or 20 years down the road at a higher rate or pay scale.

And expect the usual bunch of fiscally irresponsible coppers to get tunnel vision when the almighty, yet considerably smaller than times past, 'RETRO CHECK' is dangled in front of them.

Considering the bashing FOP has taken this past week, file this rumor under 'Divide & Conquer'..

3/24/2012 02:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its much ado about nothing. You want the contract to continue while negotiations are going on. If you terminate the contract everything goes in the toilet.

3/24/2012 04:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, assuming the city didn't provide notice and FOP didn't provide notice, we seem to have just gotten another year without any reduction in pay, without any increase in insurance cost, with no elimination of uniform allowance or duty availability pay, with no reduction in bid positions (especially important to officers in 19, 21, and 13), etc. As things go right now, status quo might not be bad for the rank and file, especially considering Rahm's vehement anti-bargaining unit approach. Seriously, at first glance, and in isolation, this might actually be good for us. If Commander at labor affairs didn't provide notice to force negotiations, he might be in some trouble. We weren't getting a raise, but this looks like we won't lose anything either (yes yes, not taking inflation into account, which is incalculable now anyway).

3/24/2012 04:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To
Anonymous said...

Before this thread becomes a "Slam the FOP and it's Leadership" rant, lets remember a few things.

Your post is very true. Most people except a few never post with their name. Its very easy to sit at home and complain about people who are trying to do the best they can with the crap that they have been handed (economy current contract and crazy leaders from other unions).

3/24/2012 05:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought that, at the February FOP meeting, Shields stated that the FOP was sending a letter to the city stating their intent to enter into contract negotiations with the city.

Did the FOP not send that letter?

3/24/2012 06:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't worry about it. Shields and Madigan are like this. We're f'en golden.

3/24/2012 06:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LMAO. Grab your ankles Boys and kiss your ASS good bye.

3/24/2012 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So does this mean that when the contract expires in June we are still bound by it for a extra year before we can negotiate for a new 4 yr deal OR does it mean as it has always been that it expires and we can negotiate for a new 4 year deal after the expiration date?

3/24/2012 07:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe I'm missing something? Why would you want to terminate your existing contract while negotiating a new one? You always want to be covered by a contract. Even if the contract is expired it is still valid and will remain while both parties are negotiating a new contract in good faith. If either parties reach a impass then it goes to arbitration. I've been around long enough to know what's going on and yes I do read and know the contract along with the department directives. GI

3/24/2012 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The FOP 7 contract was set to expire on June 30, 2012. This is no longer the case because FOP President Mike Shields and Attorney Paul Geigher forgot to draft a simple letter.

Per the Collective Bargaining Agreement ("CBA") Article 28.1, either party must terminate the existing CBA with notice to the other Party between February 1,
,2012 through March 1, 2012. FOP forgot to send this letter. As a result, the existing CBA remains in effect for another year. No big deal right? Wrong!

This means that there are no pay raises for the second half of 2012 and first half of 2013 and no retroactive pay. President Mike Shields' and Attorney Paul Geigher's mistake will cost police officers a well-deserved raise and extended a five year contract to six years.

Is FOP President Mike Shields in bed with Don O'Neil and Rahm E. because M. Shields just saved the City millions of dollars while selling out the men and women of CPD.

FOP dropped the ball and there is no way that this big mistake can be spun to look like it was a smooth contract negotiating maneuver by FOP.

The membership was never asked whether the CBA should be extended another year especially with no raises and no retro. I hate to say it, but Bella and Pleines would have known to send the Article 28.1 letter.

Maybe FOP should wake up and stop eating on Rush Street, going to Hawks games and playing Hockey.

The people responsible for this need to be held accountable regardless of their leadership position, i.e., removed from Office and fired as FOP Attorney.

I know Don O'Neil is laughing like a hyenia tonight.

3/24/2012 01:17:00 AM



Whoever wrote the above post is totally full of shit. There is and was NO pay raise scheduled for 2012 or 2013 other than the 1% already received on Jan 1, 2012. Contract expires on June 30, 2012 and the other provisions remain in effect year to year until a new one is signed. That is enormous protection for us.

The only reason O'Neill or any other boss would be laughing is at the dummies like the above poster who are completely full of shit.

Write that letter of termination and Rahm Emanuel will have an instant orgasm because all our hard fought contract rights would be terminated and cease to exist and we would never get them back.

No one forgot to send any letter. The only letter that does get sent is the one notifying the City of Chicago that the FOP is ready to begin negotiations on a new contract.

It is hard to believe we have officers as stupid as the person who wrote the above post but it is true I guess.

3/24/2012 07:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take off your tin hats!!

This is a non-event! You want the contract to stay in effect or you have no protect as of 1 July. Stop Being idiots and read the paragraph!

3/24/2012 07:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1% a year for 4 yrs,count on it!

3/24/2012 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't get what's to be worried about this? It's written in plain view that if nobody writes a written document for termination of the contract between the stated dates that our contract will continue, unaltered, after it's expiration date. I'm no lawyer but it scares me if you can't figure this out yourself.

3/24/2012 08:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone ask FOP the important question, or as usual, does speculation and innuendo run rampant,

3/24/2012 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, what this means and I have experience in labor law, the FOP dropped the ball and this is going to cost the FOP membership any pay or retro money for the end of 2012 and first half of 2013. FOP will need to file the letter now by March 2013 to the city declaring its intent to negotiate a new contract. It's a simple clause but very important and it looks like it happened due to lack of experience.

Basically the current contract has been extended one more year and nothing can be done about it unless the city agrees to allow the FOP to negotiate which I doubt because it's going to save the city money.

3/24/2012 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think the city is going to wait three years this time to negotiate. They want the screw us and screw us sooner than later. The sooner they can take away our benefits the sooner they start saving money. I think this time WE should drag our feet for three years. At least we won't lose anything in that time. And who knows how the economy will be and where Rahm will go by then.

3/24/2012 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the section again-notice has to be made if its terminated! FOP didnt have to do anything. The rumor is bs and the person sending it is a moron. A P.O. With a law degree


You are right. But you are a PO with a law degree. So who's the moron?

3/24/2012 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

absolutely not. we are working under the guidelines of the contract until a new one is ratified. since when have we started listening what iad says. tell them to go read the contract. and did you atch the suntimes headline " 'bro let me in!'- then cop shot" makes it sound to the lay reader that this asshole was trying to get into a home and then the cop shot shot him. if you dont red the article, thats what comes accross

3/24/2012 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone please tell Megan's mother to stop posting on this site.

3/24/2012 08:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By not sending the later, if that in fact happened, the fop informed the city that they intend the current contact to remain in effect until july 2013. As no raises were provided for in the coming year, members forgo any potential raises. Keep in mind that the projected rate of inflation over that period, a stat which routinely factors into awards at interest arbitration, will be over four percent for the next contract year. We will be starting at a disadvantage when we begin negotiations for next year's contract.

If the letter was sent, it would have communicated fop's desire to end this contract and begin negotiations for a new contract. During negotiations, by state law the old contract remains in effect until new terms are reached or the arbitration is concluded, at which time the new terms may be applied retroactively.

3/24/2012 08:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3) There is not a single CPS boss or exempt that would receive universal praise.


Hey dumbass, did you mean "CPD"?

3/24/2012 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Before this thread becomes a "Slam the FOP and it's Leadership" rant, lets remember a few things.
etc,etc,etc.
Thank You Mrs Shields for the nice words about Mikey. Now please go down into the basement and make up his bed and put out his jammies.

3/24/2012 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous O'Brien said...

Anonymous said...
Read the section again-notice has to be made if its terminated! FOP didnt have to do anything. The rumor is bs and the person sending it is a moron. A P.O. With a law degree

3/24/2012 12:16:00 AM
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You are of course correct, but a law degree isn't necessary. REading comprehension would do.

3/24/2012 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Just A City Worker said...

You want to get the City to stop stalling in future talks?

When this contract goes to arbitration (as we know it will) demand as a concession from the city that interest for retro begin at 18 months...not 3 years +1 day.

3/24/2012 09:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before this thread becomes a "Slam the FOP and it's Leadership" rant, lets remember a few things.

Ok Mike, we know how great you are, now go and scratch the Mayor's back and massage the Supt. You will not be remember for what you did, only for what you didn't do. Your screwing up and you know it. Now run along with your idiot board and make more deals. Your gonna need it.

3/24/2012 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is the air clear... if so does the FOP need to generate an Event number?

3/24/2012 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, assuming the city didn't provide notice and FOP didn't provide notice, we seem to have just gotten another year without any reduction in pay, without any increase in insurance cost, with no elimination of uniform allowance or duty availability pay, with no reduction in bid positions (especially important to officers in 19, 21, and 13), etc. As things go right now, status quo might not be bad for the rank and file, especially considering Rahm's vehement anti-bargaining unit approach. Seriously, at first glance, and in isolation, this might actually be good for us. If Commander at labor affairs didn't provide notice to force negotiations, he might be in some trouble. We weren't getting a raise, but this looks like we won't lose anything either (yes yes, not taking inflation into account, which is incalculable now anyway).

Mike, shut your pie hole and admit you screwed up. You really are an idiot. Funny how in your Bio for FOP you don't list how many years you have on. Also you're idiot brother has no bio written. Tell me why? Is he so humble that he doesn't want to state his accomplishments? Or how about he was a do nothing on this job. You both know how to BS people. You have zero experience in what you are doing. Now run along and get another security contract or run your little private eye company.

3/24/2012 10:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 1:39am, I second that!

3/24/2012 10:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now sit back and watch my post get slammed!

3/24/2012 12:46:00 AM




i do my utmost to never slam a wise man.




Chalkie

3/24/2012 11:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as for these 2 knuckleheads:


3/24/2012 01:17:00 AM

and

3/24/2012 01:39:00 AM



bite me.



Chalkie

3/24/2012 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On a sidenote, does anyone know if anything has or is being done regarding the 2013 expiration of the healthcare agreement for, I believe, both active and retired members? At the rate these kinds of things get negotiated I am fearful that there is going to be a problem.

3/24/2012 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy crap. It's little wonder why CPD is going to crap, you guys are destroying yourselves from the inside out. Relax, read your contract and get your information before you go on the hunt for someone's head. You get enough crap from the brass and the bums on the street, stop beating each other down.

Suburban Cop

3/24/2012 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cannot believe how stupid our members have gotten regarding our contract.

That clause has been in there since our very first contract with Mayor Jane Byrne.

Don't READ into the language, it simply says, if we terminated our contract on 30 June 2012, we would be operating WITHOUT a contract on July 1 and would forfeit ALL of our rights, benefits, and letters of adendum.

The city could do anything they wanted to us and we would be legally out on a limb with NO protection, NO contract, and NO right to the gains we hold right now.

The contract as written protects those rights until a new agreement is reached. We NEVER have gotten raises after a contract has ended until a NEW contract is voted on and approved.

What FOOL would think the city would give you raises that they did not have to?

Old Time Blue Shirt

3/24/2012 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me Dan Shield's background. I was working a side job in 018 and he came over there and gave us a hard time about the gigs are supposed to go through him. Real moron.

3/24/2012 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As our Dept. reflects the communities we serve..so sometimes our IQ level...we talk shot about a City who fails when it comes to equipment procurement; spending money out the wazoo..but we cant read our own contract and just believe rumours..jeez

3/24/2012 03:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we have no contract then we can walk-out...............

3/24/2012 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

speaking of Retro: what happened to the last duty availability of $755, wasn't it supposed to be $ 805. If yes then where is the additional monies, we have another check due 7 Apr .

3/24/2012 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy crap. It's little wonder why CPD is going to crap, you guys are destroying yourselves from the inside out. Relax, read your contract and get your information before you go on the hunt for someone's head. You get enough crap from the brass and the bums on the street, stop beating each other down.

Suburban Cop

3/24/2012 12:47:00 PM

__________________________________

This would be a fine point, except we have union leadership that wants to

(1) challenge the blog master to fights;
(2) uses the blog as their own personal means to attack people anonymously;
(3) likes to post on the blog but when they get called out for posting on the blog (or through emailing the blog master), suddenly have nothing to say.

Case in point.

The FOP administration can easily update the website as to whether they have missed a deadline and it's no big deal. But they choose not to. They like to pit their membership against each other.

3/24/2012 03:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's an idea, F.O.P. should reach out to Andy Thayer and the Occupy People to protest the unsafe conditions due the lack of manpower in the city and march on City Hall WITH US. Cops/Fire Fighters and the Occupy Movement together would infuriate 9.5.

3/24/2012 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GI your not the brightest.

3/24/2012 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, you can sue... Failure to Represent.

3/24/2012 04:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the section again-notice has to be made if its terminated! FOP didnt have to do anything. The rumor is bs and the person sending it is a moron. A P.O. With a law degree



You are right. But you are a PO with a law degree. So who's the moron?

3/24/2012 08:26:00 AM



you are, and not merely because you don't know the functional difference between a period, (.), and a comma (,).

3/24/2012 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, well, well....

This begs the question:

If our contract, due to expire on June 30, 2012, contingent upon either side sending this letter of termination, is NOW extended until June 30, 2013 because of a....shall we say, fuck up (?)...does this mean that negotiations cannot take place until next year?

I thought both sides can only begin negotiating within 90 days of the expiration of the contract.

Or so said Donohue when he was at the helm.

3/24/2012 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys need to get off the goal of a retro check. That should never be a goal. Ratifying a contract on time should be, because you will not get interest for retro money.

IF, IF, IF this is true, it means the City and the FOP failed to terminate at the deadline. This is not bad news since I doubt we were getting a raise anyway. The benefits we have are good and I personally am glad (IF this is true) that we have another year of them. Whether this occurred by design or accident its a good thing.

Please don't tear each other up over this. As far the FOP is concerned, the president is not the only one that should be in the know. There are people from the old administration which could have informed him but perhaps didn't. It doesn't matter at this point however I hope they can all work better together and keep each other in the loop.

3/24/2012 06:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, what this means and I have experience in labor law, the FOP dropped the ball and this is going to cost the FOP membership any pay or retro money for the end of 2012 and first half of 2013. FOP will need to file the letter now by March 2013 to the city declaring its intent to negotiate a new contract. It's a simple clause but very important and it looks like it happened due to lack of experience.

Basically the current contract has been extended one more year and nothing can be done about it unless the city agrees to allow the FOP to negotiate which I doubt because it's going to save the city money.

3/24/2012 08:16:00 AM


Look on the bright side folks, our dues won't go up either for another year! Yay! Would be nice to freeze them instead of having a clause the automatically ups them with every contract negotiated. They are pretty high now.

3/24/2012 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought that, at the February FOP meeting, Shields stated that the FOP was sending a letter to the city stating their intent to enter into contract negotiations with the city.

Did the FOP not send that letter?

3/24/2012 06:13:00 AM

Maybe they had a reason not to send it. Maybe they know something we don't. Regardless it is not a bad thing so I hope everyone will not loose their milkshakes over this.

3/24/2012 07:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10am post. Maybe the shields were do nothing's but if YOU are still doing shit YOU ARE THE DUMBASS

3/24/2012 07:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

.....stop beating each other down.

Suburban Cop

3/24/2012 12:47:00 PM




can't, it'd be a contract violation.

3/24/2012 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So did we get F'd or not. Half of you say yes and half of you say no?

3/24/2012 08:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the attorneys did the same thing to the folks at 9-1-1

3/24/2012 08:31:00 PM  
Blogger Just A City Worker said...

OT...


Lots of police Activity at Belmont and Western...


Saw several Wagons and about 2 dozen Squads in the parking lot.

Funnily enough...I saw people sitting at the front desk and saw glows from the still present computer LCD monitors.

Did the detective unit have to return the money they got for selling the building on craigs list?

3/24/2012 08:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't get your panties in a bunch, my friends. This is no big deal.

First of all, with about 3 minutes worth of work you could search the FOP website and learn that the same clause (Section 28.1)was in BOTH of the prior contracts. And we DID get retro pay on both of them.

And spend a little effort and read the next section, 28.2: States that the current CBA remains in full force and effect until it is replaced by a new CBA.

If the CBA provides for a pay increase starting 1 July 2012, it will be paid-eventually-when the new CBA is ratified.

Why would the FOP opt out of valid contract? That could be dangerous uncharted waters. Could City say "No contract" Then we are going to pay you 50% less.?" Do you trust Raccoon-Eyes?? All contract rights, like seniority, could be null. Maybe the No-Strike Clause would be, too.(?)

The FOP letter to the city informing them of their intent to enter negotiations is a matter of routine. Basically it is a reminder that our CBA is expiring, we need to get together and talk.

3/24/2012 10:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic. Wanted to make sure you heard about this law that just passed in Indiana that allows people to use deadly force against police officers entering their homes if THEY THINK the entry is illegal. How f***ing crazy is that! http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/23/indiana-governor-signs-bill-allowing-citizens-to-use-deadly-force-against-police-officers-into-law/

3/24/2012 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike, I knew you when you were in 011 and again in 019. Please be a stand up guy and start doing more to keep the membership informed. You aren't doing your job that WE voted you in to do.

3/24/2012 11:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike....Keep on keeping on....We love you!!!

3/25/2012 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doesn't surprise me that FOP dropped the ball on purpose.

3/25/2012 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike, I knew you when you were in 011 and again in 019. Please be a stand up guy and start doing more to keep the membership informed. You aren't doing your job that WE voted you in to do.

3/24/2012 11:54:00 PM

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I'll try but it's hard when I have a security company to run and a job with the pension board. You know my brother is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Also, take a look at the guys on the Board with me. So give me a break.

3/25/2012 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP,

Last time I checked, YOU work for us. Get it through your head. We pay your salary. You need to keep us informed. You have an FOP website. You do come to the SCC blog and respond, when it suits you. Here's a thought, answer any questions that your membership have on our website that we paid for. At the rate you are going you will get impeached soon. You really are embarrassing us. Also, when a cop gets shot, get your pampered ass to the hospital and make a statement. You have proven to us you are not camera shy when you have an agenda. You have surrounded yourself with some real morons. Well, you made your bed so sleep in it. Get your priorities in order. If you are in over your head then get the fuck out of here and take your useless brother with you. He was joke in 018 and he still is.

3/25/2012 02:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike, I knew you when you were in 011 and again in 019. Please be a stand up guy and start doing more to keep the membership informed. You aren't doing your job that WE voted you in to do.


Trust me Mike sold us out a long time ago. You are being way to nice. After Madigan we know what he was up too. He knows he is never coming back to this job.

3/25/2012 02:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it to much to ask FOP to keep us informed. WTF!!!!

3/25/2012 02:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike I knew you in second grade and again in day camp. Please be the stand-up man you were then.

3/25/2012 04:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Racoon says, "We dunt needs no stinkin contract"!

3/25/2012 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This means that there are no pay raises for the second half of 2012 and first half of 2013 and no retroactive pay."..........Are you out of your figgin' mind. The next contract will have NO raises so no retro. It's gonna be a matter of how much everyone can hold on to. Especially after the Captain's sell everyone out again!!!!!!

3/25/2012 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need a committee to form a committee that keeps track of upcoming dead lines.

3/25/2012 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just A City Worker said...
OT...


Lots of police Activity at Belmont and Western...


Saw several Wagons and about 2 dozen Squads in the parking lot.

Funnily enough...I saw people sitting at the front desk and saw glows from the still present computer LCD monitors.

Did the detective unit have to return the money they got for selling the building on craigs list?

3/24/2012 08:50:00 PM


Belmont and Western is still the only female lockup in Area 3. The New 019 in the brand new district station ay 850 W Addison has NO lockup, the city refuses to open it.

This might come as a shock but there are now all the detectives at Area 3 who formerly worked in A3, 4 and 5 and they arrest people and send them to court, from the former 019 lockup. There must, therefore, be booking officers and someone working the desk for walk in reports.

3/25/2012 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey there's always PBPA

3/25/2012 04:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Union Guy said...

Anonymous said...
By not sending the later, if that in fact happened, the fop informed the city that they intend the current contact to remain in effect until july 2013. As no raises were provided for in the coming year, members forgo any potential raises. Keep in mind that the projected rate of inflation over that period, a stat which routinely factors into awards at interest arbitration, will be over four percent for the next contract year. We will be starting at a disadvantage when we begin negotiations for next year's contract.

If the letter was sent, it would have communicated fop's desire to end this contract and begin negotiations for a new contract. During negotiations, by state law the old contract remains in effect until new terms are reached or the arbitration is concluded, at which time the new terms may be applied retroactively.

3/24/2012 08:54:00 AM

HKLHKLHKLHKLHKL

Amazing, the first factually accurate summation. It amazes me that as contractual employees you don't even learn the basics of your employment agreement. Worse, you argue completely incorrect interpretations of matters you have never bothtered to understand.

Labor Negotiator

3/25/2012 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Old 19th district Warlord (6 years on) said...

Hey, you leave Belmont and western out of this! I am a desk worker and there are things to do! Even in a closed station! I wear two guns because my daddy told me when he got me sent from the academy to the 019th district, that you have to wear two guns! As to why so many people are needed to work inside? Well mister "I go outside the station", let me tell you! I got a paper cut last night and we were able to stop the bleeding once all 6 of us applied pressure to the wound. We thought briefly about calling a 10-1 but the radio person went downstairs to hand out radios a month ago and hasn't been seen since. It is scary!

3/25/2012 08:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If there is no contract, can we strike?

3/25/2012 09:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike I saw you at the cleaners once and my wife saw your picture on the FOP monthly newsletter. Please once again be the man you were at the cleaners when you helped me pick up all the clothes I dropped. I don't care what my wife looks at.

3/26/2012 04:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic.... bosses still telling low producing po's will be sent with the Commander to answer to low activity. Several PO's told at a Northwest District. Trying to produce numbers with scare tactics, with everything that is happening in the department and what is coming in May why the hell cant the bosses leave us alone........

3/26/2012 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the Commander going to do if I'm called to his office for low numbers? Spank me?

3/28/2012 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You jumped on the ban wagon to vote for the 11-year veteran as your President. So don't cry about it now when his inexperience comes into play and he F*&%S up! Next time do you homework prior to voting. For those you did not vote, maybe this will now provide you a reason to get off your butt next time and vote.

3/31/2012 12:50:00 PM  

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