Brilliant Conclusion
Crime was worse in neighborhoods where former Chicago Housing Authority residents used vouchers to move into private apartments, a new study found.
From 2000 to 2008, violent crime was 21 percent higher in neighborhoods with high concentrations of voucher-holding former CHA residents — when compared to similar neighborhoods without them, the Washington-based Urban Institute found. Property crime also would have been lower without relocated residents in those neighborhoods, the study said.
Violent crime dropped about 26 percent across the city over the same time period, according to the Chicago Police Department. The Urban Institute attributed about 1 percent of the decrease to CHA’s 1999 plan to knock down Cabrini-Green and other notorious housing complexes.
And evidently, someone had been doing so really hard drugs over at the CHA:
- In the past, CHA said there was no evidence of a link between crime and the relocation of public housing residents. “Until this study, really, there hasn’t been any data that addresses this question,” CHA spokeswoman Kellie O’Connell-Miller said.
Data? Why waste money on a study when you had testimonials like this from the residents of the hardest hit areas?
Some communities are not very happy to have them. Chatham, where generations of African-American teachers, lawyers and other professionals have called home, has seen an influx of former CHA residents with vouchers — about 120 of them.
“It has been disastrous for Chatham,” said Keith Tate, president of Chatham-Avalon Park Community Association.
“Never did we see individuals sitting on their cars drinking 40-ounce bottles of beer.”
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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No Einstein needed here on this one.
Breaking: NBC Fires Producer Who Created False Zimmerman Audio
NBC News has fired the producer it says was responsible for creating the deceptive audio recording of George Zimmerman communicating with a 9-1-1 operator, according to the New York Times.
The network is still refusing to release the name of the producer, although according to Times reporter Brian Stelter, the producer is based in Miami and has worked there for a number of years. According to Stelter's network sources, NBC is still insisting the deceptive edit was not done deliberatiely.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/04/06/breaking-nbc-fires-producer-who-created-false-zimmerman-audio
It is not just the surrounding suburbs that have been hurt, I live 20 miles west of State Street.
The huge increase in Section 8'ers, is killing my town. Longtime residents are fleeing, I think my town will become the next Bellwood.
Will Frank Main now take that next step and investigate how police resources in the effected areas are NOT commensurate to the influx of shit?
Will he reveal how the taxpayers are once again getting it stuck in their asses while the non-contributors get to watch police officers stand foot posts in the ghettos? Police officers they don't want hanging around anyway, fucking up their hedonistic lifestyles.
My guess is that "Master Of The Obvious Main" is going to have to sit out of the game for a while because his head will be spinning for quite some time after all the effort he used in dropping this bombshell. Not.
"Until this study, really, there hasn’t been any data that addresses this question,” CHA spokeswoman Kellie O’Connell-Miller said.
They really don't come much dumber than you, do they, Kellie? 'Sheltered, suburban upbringing meets toeing the liberal, socialist agenda' best describes Kellie's assessment of the topic.
“It has been disastrous for Chatham,” said Keith Tate, president of Chatham-Avalon Park Community Association.
No, Keith, "disastrous" is an understatement to describe what results when your new-found neighbors settle in. Locust swarms and termite infestations ain't got shit on the byproducts of the majority of displaced CHA Section 8'ers. Drinking 40-ouncers and smoking weed daily while camped out on the hood of a car is culturally ingrained in some areas of this fine city. Shit, I suggested years ago that some enterprising local should cultivate a strain of cannabis indigenous to Chicago and simply label it 'Cabrini Green'.
Funny thing though, when Caucasians complain about the influx of undersirables and ne'er do wells in predominantly 'white neighborhoods', they're usually quickly labled "racist".
It's high time to quit tap dancing around the painfully obvious and get back to calling it like it is. The sooner people can lay out the truth without injecting any [insert type of] guilt as part of the equation and without fear of repercussions, the sooner things stand a chance of regaining some semblance of normalcy.
I'm not holding my breath..
There is a racial component to this- that cannot be denied.
Still, the Chatham experience shows that the most fundamental issue really is class.
Low class ghetto motherfuckers ruin any neighborhood they infest. "CHA Vouchers" give these assholes a one-way pass into working class, stable areas which they promptly destroy. See: Chatham, Hegewisch, Burnham, Calumet City, Beverly, etc, etc...
As far as there being "data" on the phenomenon, I must admit, I've grown quite tired of academia. So much of it starts off with an ideological agenda, then contorts and 'creatively interprets' facts to fit that agenda.
Studies and counter-studies and counter-counter-counter studies to prove or refute that green grass is green, with a whole camp of people insisting (and sincerely believing) that indeed, green grass is NOT green on the basis of a study performed by Dr. I.P. Freely of the Rainbow Grass Coalition.
I'm all for intellect, but sometimes, academia confounds common sense, which is counter-productive. This "study" concludes something that anyone with a functional pair of eyes has known for years, even though some idealists have tried to deny it.
I live in an "urban" neighborhood (12th district) where they are trying to push "mixed income" and these dogs can not cope with normal behaving people. It is a shame, I have to live in the city and pay for these dogs.
Nobody wants to cha riff raff in their neighborhoods. They just destroy everything like a bunch if animals.
Cha and section 8 housing needs to be seriously cut.
But we keep them down right. Why is it that no matter where they go, destruction and mayhem always occur?
I love how FM had to study crime stats to realize the projects were full of criminals. All he had to do was ride one tour in a Beat car to do that...
News flash huh?
And Frank Main, no less - this story must now have City Hall approval!! Years late and dollars short to fix it!
wow... i find this study hard to believe....LOL
Not done deliberately??? Just how dumb do they think people are, the media is fanning the fires of this and it will end up in riots
I had a very close friend, a former prist who was running a half-way house in Iowa. He told me a few years ago of the influx of former chicago residents coming into town with section 8 vouchers and the crime and disorder that they brought with them. It was a shock for Iowa. The ignorant ghetto ways go with the ignorant ghetto folks wherever they travel.
You mean when you create a class of government dependent people with no desire to work and to hit it rich quickly by selling drugs, who call race baiters their leaders and demand that unless everything is handed to them for free they are being discriminated against, this could lead to problems?
Now explain how your free housing, WIC, LINK and the rest of your payoffs to blocks of voters so ignorant they'll elect a guy caught on an FBI wire taking bribes has been such a tremendous social success.
Fucking idiots.
“Presstitution” ~ the act of acquiescence by members of the "press" or media to keep their positions and lavish lifestyles in exchange for their silence, omissions or altering of facts, planting of "news" stories beneficial to those in power or COMPLETELY covering up stories embarrassing to those in power.
Frank Main, along with most other of the remaining members of main stream media here in Chicago, are, pretty much, all examples of "presstitutes". What else would you expect from America's most corrupt city?
I love getting called to a scene and hearing the neighbors complaining about how nice it was before "those project people" moved in, and how the neighborhood is quickly going down hill. Often they talk about moving out. I let them go on for awhile and then I like to tell the complainant that they should be more understanding of their new neighbor, that they shouldn't profile them and should try to get to know them. I tell them to remember that once upon a time they moved into neighborhoods and the people there didn't want the "project people" moving in either. God they hate to hear that from an old white fellow!
Perhaps Chatham would be willing to give George Zimmerman safe haven.
Keep voting in these scumbag democrats.
These demorat politicians will keep alive sect. 8 and all the other free goverment programs as to certain their win at the pols. Can't wait to leave this city and state.
Heck, even Homewood is being driven into the sewer. With JJ Jr's tentacles extending into Will County, it will only get worse.
How much money did they spend on proving this???
NBC fired the asshole who altered the 911 tapes in the Martin case. I am sure he will pick up another job doing the same thing shortly. There are plenty of media morons who should be put on the unemployment line in the reporting on this incident. Problem is the damage is already done. The "perception" is that a rabid racist White/Hispanic nutjob murdered this poor Black kid Trayvon. This is all people remember now.
They are democratic voters. They can come to your neighborhood and act anyway they please. Their votes are needed.
This is exactly why surgeons do not operate on some cancerous tumors. If you break the tumor open the cancer spreads like a wild fire!
Facts are not rasicm!
I wonder how much tax money was spent on this shocking outcome????????????????
Thanks Frank.
Hence the last name I suppose.
Uh, you can't blame race on crime issues.
The huge increase in Section 8'ers, is killing my town. Longtime residents are fleeing, I think my town will become the next Bellwood.
4/07/2012 01:24:00 AM
apparently, the spirit of 'stand your ground', is sorely lacking in 'your' town, as if the 'flee' response is the only option.
But we keep them down right. Why is it that no matter where they go, destruction and mayhem always occur?
4/07/2012 03:40:00 AM
because we allow it to occur.
Behavior, values and customs are part of a culture. When you take people who have a culture that values violence and disregard for the law and transport them to a middle class black neighborhood, or any neighborhood that does not retain their values; the previous culture will follow. Unless these people are re-cultured they will take their values with them and destroy whatever area they inhabit.
Middle class black folks will now be subjected to what they worked for and struggled to avoid. And their children will suffer most of all.
Section 8 is a disgrace. Just look at the dibs for 2012 and see all the drug dealing in 016. It's almost like Austin.
Lets see, I pay part of your rent and you destroy the neighborhood. I say cut section 8 and and force able bodies to work if they want shelter!
Who would have thunk it?
Set them up in an isolated area of Wyoming. Beautiful sky, great landscape, no racial profiling, no gangs in existence in the wide open spaces, and let them set up their own community. They make the rules, they enforce the rules, but, no complaining.
Funny thing though, when Caucasians complain about the influx of undersirables and ne'er do wells in predominantly 'white neighborhoods', they're usually quickly labled "racist".
Agreed. Anybody remember Marquette Park 20 years ago? Look at it now. I ask you, what's changed?
Anybody rememember South Shore 20 years ago? Look at it now. What's changed?
How about Chatham?
Portions of East Rogers Park?
There's no denying that were Section 8 comes, neighborhood deterioration is soon to follow.
This is Investigative Reporting at it's WORST!
It's common knowledge of what happened in the projects over the last thirty years or more.
And these Reporters get paid?
No wonder the Times and Trib are in Bankruptcy Court!
attend a caps meeting in Pill Hill or Chatham neighborhoods , they tell it like it is about the project rats that are ruining their working middle class neighborhoods
SCC this video from Chris Rock hits this post rite on the head (and in line with the earlier post on racism in Atlanta). And it was just 2 years prior that we had the whole OJ LA riots incident. Actually his whole comedy bit was good, but this 8 min video applies to this post. I invite everyone to check it out. Pretty funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4
The Factor's investigation of black on black crime aired last night.
Mixed bag.
Rahm blows the reporter off when asked about murders up 56% under his watch, but Watters says he saw lots of police in cars, but not out of their cars and O'Reilly cites NY use of Compstat and "flooding the zone."
Mauer and citizens also interviewed.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1549396805001/the-factor-investigates-violence-in-chicago
It is called " Sociology". Got back from Vietnam in 1968 and went to Loyola University-- the start of affirmative action. I had a sociology class that I was having " problems with"-- also had an old Finance Professor who I confided in. His statement -- Sociology--- equals the discovery of the obvious. Never forgot that.
old retired guy
Should've demoed the high rises while occupied. More humane for all involved.
Lots of these evil cretins moved out to the surrounding suburbs from the projects. Rent vouchers in hand they have a new playground and plenty of new victims. With the banks now looking to "rent" foreclosed homes many good neighborhoods will soon look like Shitcago. Almost seems like a cancer. And you guessed it...no cure!
I'm so glad that I got out of that city, out of that county, out of that state. Not coming back either. So there.
This is like everything else the Federal Government touches - it turns to shit. They have something fucked up, and they have something that's not fucked up. So they take the fucked up and mix it in with the not fucked up, believing that the not fucked up will overcome the fucked up, and everything will be better.
HA! Decades of real world experience demonstrates that good people simply move away from the fuck ups, and then that leaves more room for the fuck ups to grow - which destroys the not fucked up.
The way out of this is complex to be certain - but one thing's for sure. You stop the bullshit bussing and vouchers immediately. If an area is fucked up - FINE. It's fucked up. FIX that area. But do not move people around from that area to others expecting things to get better - they won't - they'll get worse. Unfortunately, until all the dumbocrats and other liberal jagoffs are voted out of office, we're screwed.
Human Termite's
Do you think he might be retarded?
Anonymous said...
This is like everything else the Federal Government touches - it turns to shit. They have something fucked up, and they have something that's not fucked up. So they take the fucked up and mix it in with the not fucked up, believing that the not fucked up will overcome the fucked up, and everything will be better.
Thanks! I've never quite heard it explained so eloquently.
Should of left them in the high rise ghettos.
"Chatham, where generations of African-American teachers, lawyers and other professionals have called home, has seen an influx of former CHA residents with vouchers — about 120 of them."
“It has been disastrous for Chatham..."
The place used to be proudly called "Pill Hill" - because of all the doctors who lived there.
“Never did we see individuals sitting on their cars drinking 40-ounce bottles of beer.”
Lots of people sat up there writing checks and forming committees; they wanted "equality," but at a safe distance.
Came back to bite them in the ass, didn't it?
"Unless these people are re-cultured they will take their values with them and destroy whatever area they inhabit."
--4/07/2012 12:32:00 PM
"Re-cultured?"
First time I've ever heard that phrase.
Multiple generations are coming up into loud, flamboyant, demanding idleness, criminality, and death worship.
"Reculturation" is sort of a tall order for people who exist in a parallel universe.
Seriously -- how do you get them to even acknowledge that you're there?
It is that basic.
"Set them up in an isolated area of Wyoming. Beautiful sky, great landscape..."
--4/07/2012 03:36:00 PM
"Sky?" "Landscape?"
You gotta be kidding.
You know what the "landscape" looks like anywhere they go -- and they would spray-paint their forks and swords and crap on the very sky if they could reach it.
It's da SHIZZLE!
"No gangs in existence in the wide open spaces..."
They ARE the gangs.
"...and let them set up their own community. They make the rules, they enforce the rules, but, no complaining."
Englewood.
North Lawndale.
Etc.
Why mess up a perfectly good Wyoming? You know what'll happen.
There are a lot of vacant apartments in Lakeview, Hyde Park, Oak Park, Wilmette and Burr ridge. Don't send them all to Chatham and Avalon Park.
Send them to Wyoming? Are you out of your mind??? Where there is an actual shortage of jackasses? Don't ruin beautiful country when there are portions of neighborhoods east of us that are just shit! Fence them off like escape from NY!
"This is like everything else the Federal Government touches - it turns to shit. They have something fucked up, and they have something that's not fucked up. So they take the fucked up and mix it in with the not fucked up, believing that the not fucked up will overcome the fucked up, and everything will be better."
--4/07/2012 11:44:00 PM
"Thanks! I've never quite heard it explained so eloquently."
--4/08/2012 09:25:00 AM
...except that it's not quite correct.
The destructiveness is deliberate. It is observable, demonstrable, and provable that they know exactly what they're doing.
"Should of left them in the high rise ghettos."
--4/08/2012 10:28:00 AM
We don't listen. A lot of them were DEMANDING to stay -- some even got free lawyers.
"We come up in here forty years an' we got a right."
Actual quote.
Remember when the fedgov wanted to GIVE people DEEDS to their CHA units?
The gov was going to pretend that the "rent" payments were "mortgage" payments.
After a certain point, the residents would "own" their "condo."
Oh, the howls of indignation!
"I ain' gon' be 'sponsible for no re-pairs!" (After they throw the refrigerator down the elevator shaft or something.)
Jesse Jackson came in on the issue and helped to kill the idea.
Dont ruin wyoming. I want to retire there
are they fleeing like on Planet of the Apes?
I seriously think this guy is retarded.
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