"Merit" Promotees
Someone asked in the comments if we thought that anyone deserved "merit" promotions.
Unfortunately, under the current system in place, the answer is "no."
Are there deserving people? Undoubtedly. But until the City and Department write down and codify what makes one truly deserving of a promotion so everyone can see it and have a legit shot at it, then there will always be questions about the process.
Cline had not one, but two of his drivers promoted. J-Fled promoted his driver. How many of Dana Stark's girlfriends made rank? Exempt rank even? What exactly were the qualifications of any number of bosses we could mention here for "merit" promotion? Wearing a wire? Overzealous self promotion? Taking credit for work that wasn't theirs? Sex?
Here's two quick ideas we gleaned from the comment section yesterday that don't even address the inherent problems we just outlined above:
Unfortunately, under the current system in place, the answer is "no."
Are there deserving people? Undoubtedly. But until the City and Department write down and codify what makes one truly deserving of a promotion so everyone can see it and have a legit shot at it, then there will always be questions about the process.
Cline had not one, but two of his drivers promoted. J-Fled promoted his driver. How many of Dana Stark's girlfriends made rank? Exempt rank even? What exactly were the qualifications of any number of bosses we could mention here for "merit" promotion? Wearing a wire? Overzealous self promotion? Taking credit for work that wasn't theirs? Sex?
Here's two quick ideas we gleaned from the comment section yesterday that don't even address the inherent problems we just outlined above:
- All merit nominees must attend all parts of the examination process. We can't tell you the number of times we've personally seen empty chairs in our room for the second part of the exam and then that person is in the first of second class of promotions. What a kick in the teeth that is - they know they're in so they don't even bother with part 2? Hubris in the extreme;
- All merit nominations should be made at the end of the process so as not to get seniority over people who actually ranked ahead of them.
Not radical suggestions by any means, but could lend an air of credibility to a corrupted process if instituted with wholesale reforms.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
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Merit promotions should require the individual to work within Patrol for a period of prior to a promotion.
These new commanders that have not worked the streets in over 10-15yrs are now in charge of patrol operations.
Merit sergeants should spend time in a busy district--for 6-12 months before the merit promotion. That way, if they were hidden away for all their career, they'll at least see what it looks like to work
plenty of po's are good at taking test but are terrible at the job so who care..
OT: Legislation, backed by Madigan, was voted out of committee for a Constitutional Amendment that would require 3/5th of the City Council to vote for any increases in our pensions. Does anyone believe that 3/5th of our Alderman would give us an increase? So why isn't the FOP lobbying in Springfield to get our existing pension bills passed now? We pay a lobbyist and Mark Donahue to do just that. There is so little concern over this that the FOP has never updated the current legislation list on their web site.
The only merits should go to people who have been shot, stabbed, run over etc. Or someone who has dome something so extraordinary as to bring great credit upon themselves and the dept as a whole.
"Merit nominees must not have more than 45 days of non-I.O.D. medical time over the last 3 years."
Yeah, okay.
Merit rewards will never stop in this town. Politicians need these little scarps to throw out to certain peasants as a reward. Doesn't matter if they are even qualified. It will never change.
yes...ME
I was a sergeant for 17 yrs before I retired. I got promoted off the list, not by "merit". There were 2 sgts classes ahead of mine before I finally got made.
NOTHING pissed me off more than knowing that dozens had been promoted ahead of me by merit that came from waaaay behind me on the list.
Not only that, but it doesn't go away, either. The inept merit jackasses often couldn't supervise in the field, wouldn't make decisions and ended up screwing over my seniority picks for watches and furloughs. I guess I should be happy that I didn't have to take orders from THEM. One merit sgt in my district took a 15 day suspension and a month later they gave him a tact team. How F'd up is THAT!
Sorry for all of you deserving officers who don't even get the chance for a promotion. Trust me when I tell you that there are plenty of white-shirts out there that would rather have YOU as our fellow sgts on the watch than some of the clowns that we DO have.
Here is a true story about how the merit process really works.
Worked with a P.O. who's father was best friends with a district commander. The po began bragging that he was going to be made sgt b/c of his connections. He wasn't even embarrassed by this and flaunted it. So the po got transferred (by management) to the district that his dad's best friend commanded. He worked there for a short time (less than a year) and then was put in for merit sgt by the commander.
And that my friends is how people become merit sgts. What a f'ed up system.
The crazy thing is that the people selecting all the merit spots are merit promotee's themselves. They were selected b/c they knew someone, now they can select someone they know, and the cycle of incompetent clout continues.
The whole Merit thing makes me sick to my stomach. I would actually be a sgt right now if not for these merit assholes. I studied my ass off for the test, sacrificed so much and scored very well. Just well enough to be far enough to get eaten up by the merit selections. 30 fucking percent of every class is merit. Sickening.
So if you scored 230 on the test, which is pretty good and almost a lock to make in past years/decades will not get you shit this time. Because of merit you are pushed back to #300 which they most likely will never get to in these bad economic times.
But the brother in law or childhood friend of some Exempt will be sitting in that class just b/c of who they know. How in the world did this system come to pass. This is not right and why does the FOP not do anything to try to correct it?
No one under ten years.
At least 500 felony arrests,
(Thats 4 about felonies a month, over ten years).
A minimum of 30 gun recoveries, over ten years (Thats less than one recovery every couple of months, over ten years).
Appears in the court process at least 15 hours per period, for the last ten years.
Scored at least in the top 2000 of the exam.
Can identify at least five of the most violent gangs in Chicago, where they exist, and why.
Be able to name one single event that their action's had a positive change on street environment or the community.
This would satisfy me.
Captain Mags was the all-time merit promotion KING!
There should be zero merit promotions. Ever. Not to start a flame war, but not even for those who stop a bullet. Being unlucky enough to get shot or otherwise seriously injured does not mean that you have the skill set to be a good supervisor.
I realize I just pissed people off but so be it.
This is directed right at the FOP.
You guys work for us. We elected you to be OUR voice. 99.9% of blue shirts want 1) either merit removed or the percentage reduced, and/or 2) a clear definition of what you need to get a merit spot.
If you really are acting on our behalf, then why don't you fight for this stuff? Why don't you ask and demand to know what makes a sup't driver worthy of a merit pick and not a guy that is working in a ghetto dealing with job after job and still bringing in heads. Or some inside person that worked under some exempt that hasn't seen the streets in decades.
Why is it so hard for you guys over there to understand that this is what we want. Some clarification. More transparency. Goals to strive toward. Please, just do you job that we pay you handsomely for. Speak up for us!
Probably your best and most relevant posts in recent times SCC.
True story:
Had this brand new sgt that came from working at 35th street for the last ten years or so. Incredibly incompetent and had no clue at all what to do on the street. All of us couldn't believe that this person was actually even a p.o. let alone OUR BOSS! Then one day as we are waiting to check of Phil Cline walks into the station to attend a roll call. The newly minted sgt runs up to him and they give each other big hugs and start saying how much they miss each other and that they've got to get together again really soon.
That explained everything.
I agree that getting shot does not automatically deserve a merit sgt spot. Maybe a det spot, but not a spot that puts you in charge of other p.o.'s just b/c you got shot.
Sometimes people get shot b/c they are reckless or not safe. We've all worked with someone that has done stupid stuff and you can't help but think they are really unsafe police officers. If they get hurt b/c of those reckless acts that doesn't mean they should take a spot from someone on the list. Not in my eyes anyway.
I begged Donahue's crew for years to have the city define what makes a person "merit" worthy. For some reason the FOP doesn't care to fight that fight. I don't know why and can only draw conclusions that in some way they must benefit or something from not challenging the merit process. What do they get out of it? Do they get a pick? Why else would they not fight for something all the members want?
ONE MERIT PROMOTION PER PERSON..sorry for yelling I just hate these 2 even 3 time merit promoted hacks
Shove their promotions. I wouldn't associate with anyone considered worthy of promotion on this police department.
You will not find any Chesty Pullers on CPD.
The sad thing is that there are people on this job with ten years experience who have never had the chance to take a promotion exam for sgt or detective.
They couldnt take it originally because of lack of time. Im guesing even if they give a new test in one or two years you wont see a fresh class of sgts or dicks till 2015!!!! 15 years without ever having a chance to be promoted.
Boys and girls dont get mad get even. Take advantage of the best benefit we have, tuition reimbursement. Concentrate on finishing your degrees. Get a MA if you have your BA. Get a PHD if you have an MA. Go to law school. Learn a discipline that will make you a comfortable living. The best part is you don't have to kiss a politicians ass to be promoted.
Its been done plenty of times and all it takes is some hard work. Instead of humping for exempts, put that time in studying for your future.
Some made up test should not determine a police officers way of hard working to move up in mgt. There are many sgts that are clueless on the streets but are great test takers. Give it to those that truely deserve it. Get rid of test taking its just smoke and mirrors to clout someone in.
Here is a suggestion:
All merit selections for sgt and det must have made (box 1) at least 15 part one arrests. Also, how about adding a requirement that they testified in court at least once in their career.
The only merits should go to people who have been shot, stabbed, run over etc. Or someone who has dome something so extraordinary as to bring great credit upon themselves and the dept as a whole.
4/21/2012 12:34:00 AM
I'm not trying to be an asshole but just because you got shot or injured in some way on the job or you're an excellent officer that brings in a ton of activity, doesn't mean that you're going to make a good supervisor. I've known some hard chargers that were exceptional police officers that were promoted legitimately by test score and they made some of the worst sergeants I've ever seen. They can't even adjust to being a supervisor and should have just kept their blue shirt on. I don't know what the answer is to weeding out the bad candidates and promoting the good ones but I do know that this current system is a huge failure. We have too many worthless supervisors on this job now to count.
I honestly wouldn't even mind if it was limited to ONE merit promotion per person for their career. This BS of being made detective out of the commanders office, then sgt out of an admin spot in the D, then Lt out of a specialized Unit, then Commander out of personel, it's a complete slap in the face.
You are not a leader, Barb. You "act" friendly, but not one person in 015 respects ANYTHING you've ever done. And yet, I'm sure you'll move up again by next year when more retirements hit. It is truly disgusting to have watched your ascent.
Do you want somebody handling your CR#'s that has never done anything and never gotten a CR#?
With all the other shit happening in our department, who gives a shit about sgt. Promotions. Why would anyone even try to understand the bullshit promotion system that cpd has, it only ass to high blood pressure and early death. Do your time, take your lunch and personals, and go home at the end of your turn. This department deserves nothing more.
To everyone beefing about merit just remember the test was and the answers were given out to a certain amount of people, just like always. If you do not this to be true a whole tact team from 011 made Detective "off the list" many of that same team made sgt. "off the list" Just ask Pete Devine.
What about the Secret Study Group Kiddies?? Should they get seniority over those that really passed the test? Does anyone honestly pass a test around here?
Anonymous said...
Shove their promotions. I wouldn't associate with anyone considered worthy of promotion on this police department.
You will not find any Chesty Pullers on CPD.
4/21/2012 03:04:00 AM
As someone who knows Chesty you have worked with someone like Chesty on this job. They have sat next to you on midnights, they have rushed into a in progress call with you and most of all they are just as pissed off about this MERIT crap as you.
Quote: Take me to the Brig, I want to see the Real MARINES!
Good Night Chesty where ever you are.
As someone who earned a promotion fairly 3 times only to not make it because of "merit" people you can imagine how I feel. Every time someone is "GIVEN" a promotion, one is taken away from someone else who took the test, went through the process and earned it. I watched those "merit" people climb the ranks and are now the learder of the Department. We all know how that is playing out. I got fed up and retired. I was lucky. I truly feel sorry for those that are still there. The people who are really in charge don't care about the Department or the citizens who they protect. Those in power only want to reaward their friends and cultivate more power for themselves. Oh well, enough of my rant. Good luck to all those that hope to get promoted, I wish those who earn it well. To those that get a "merit" spot I hope you remember that you stole it from someone else who earned it fairly. The testing may be a joke but at least its a joke for everyone equally.
Why accept merit promotions at all?
Just hope they continue the policy started by Superintendent Weis of identifying those that were chosen meritoriously.
OT: Legislation, backed by Madigan, was voted out of committee for a Constitutional Amendment that would require 3/5th of the City Council to vote for any increases in our pensions. Does anyone believe that 3/5th of our Alderman would give us an increase? So why isn't the FOP lobbying in Springfield to get our existing pension bills passed now? We pay a lobbyist and Mark Donahue to do just that. There is so little concern over this that the FOP has never updated the current legislation list on their web site.
4/21/2012 12:29:00 AM
In addition to Donahue's salary as a Lobbyist for FOP he also receives a salary for being past president. This is yet another clause that needs to be removed from our agreement with FOP. There is no reason a past president should receive a salary. There is no incentive to do a good job. These guys get all the financial perks up front. I for one am sick of it!
You guys should just quit it. No matter whether there is merit or not people will still get in that you feel shouldn't have. That is the way of the world. This is a waste of energy and bad for your health to keep focusing on this. There have been people who "made it off the list" that were number 1 and their credentials are questionable because they were in study groups. We will never know so its best just to forget about it and move on. It is what it is. Everyone wants to get promoted. With or without merit there will never be a totally fair process in the eyes of everyone.
CAREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8.
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Merit selection is likely the reason the police department has changed so much for the worst over the last 25 years. I am sure there are certain instances where there have been individuals who have been promoted meritoriously that truly deserved the promotion. Meritorious promotion should be the rare exception, not the rule, if it should be allowed at all.
It is a total morale killer. There are people who hold command positions who could not run an ice cream stand, much less a district.
Prior to the 1979 test for sgt., the promotion list was based on a formula of 70% Test and 30% efficiency. I am not naive, nor am I making the case that the test was on the legit prior to 79, what I am saying is that you had a chance if you studied your ass off. The 79 test was when the City got their foot in the door by the use of an oral board. The formula changed to 40% test, 30% efficiency, and 30% oral board. The oral boards were where the City could get their guys promoted, but at least they had to pass a test.
FOP should have drawn a line in the sand as to merit selection. They did not. As a result not only did the CPD end up with incompetents as field supervisors, it compounded the problem with a severe morale problem among the people they depend upon to show up to work each day, and actually do the job of police officer.
Written tests do not ensure that the best qualified PO was promoted, but at least it was an objective basis upon which a PO, with no clout, had a chance to obtain a promotion. As it stands now your time may well be better spent as a precinct captain, or a house mouse, rather than being an active PO, who has studied for the job he or she is seeking to be promoted to.
In my opinion, and I saw it coming 25 years ago, this is how the City has turned the CPD into the post office.
There should be zero merit promotions. Ever. Not to start a flame war, but not even for those who stop a bullet. Being unlucky enough to get shot or otherwise seriously injured does not mean that you have the skill set to be a good supervisor.
I realize I just pissed people off but so be it.
4/21/2012 01:22:00 AM
100% agree!
Mderit was approved by the federal courts as a way to even the lists racially after the 1994 series of promotional exams. Ald. Beavers was the prime sponsor of this. He reasoned that there were way too many people getting promoted on tests who could not find a bleeding elephant in the snow. Nice reasoning, but flawed. The city then went and made merit promotions of people who never even took the test or any part of it. Then they promoted people who were lawyers and school teachers, people with lots of clout. This system will never go away, it is a gift to the administration. However, the FOP can and should make this an issue.
Boys and girls dont get mad get even. Take advantage of the best benefit we have, tuition reimbursement. Concentrate on finishing your degrees. Get a MA if you have your BA. Get a PHD if you have an MA. Go to law school. Learn a discipline that will make you a comfortable living. The best part is you don't have to kiss a politicians ass to be promoted.
Its been done plenty of times and all it takes is some hard work. Instead of humping for exempts, put that time in studying for your future.
4/21/2012 03:28:00 AM
Exactly! Take all that education paid for by the same city that screwed you and screw them by giving them their 2-3yrs back so as not to have to repay and LEAVE!
Anonymous said...
OT: Legislation, backed by Madigan, was voted out of committee for a Constitutional Amendment that would require 3/5th of the City Council to vote for any increases in our pensions. Does anyone believe that 3/5th of our Alderman would give us an increase? So why isn't the FOP lobbying in Springfield to get our existing pension bills passed now? We pay a lobbyist and Mark Donahue to do just that. There is so little concern over this that the FOP has never updated the current legislation list on their web site.
Hey softball, one of the larger reasons the pension is the shape it's in is as a result of all the sweetening done to it over the years.... Without increases in ours or the city's contribution. It's this kind of mentality that makes us look like assholes. What the city has done is criminal, but we have to be realistic also. There has been something like 18 sweetening to our pension since the 80's without any corresponding increase in contributions.
I agree the system has to have rules. The problem is the Merit process will look just like the Performance Evaluation System, it will give equal wieght to house mouses as it will for street police.
Anonymous said...
The crazy thing is that the people selecting all the merit spots are merit promotee's themselves. They were selected b/c they knew someone, now they can select someone they know, and the cycle of incompetent clout continues
And because of this they actually believe the merit system is working, because they believe they are capable-not because they are, but because people follow their orders because they are supervisors not because their orders are correct.
First of all, the written exam should be graded right after and in front of the candidate as was the detective exam in the 70's.
This might be a 'start' in the quest to add legitimacy to the entire process and NOT the typical standard of the... "Chicago Way."
Old Retired Guy Here .........Yes, Again ! People being promoted without merit, has always been a issue with the CPD. How to correct it ? I would not pretend to know. What I do know is this. Do not let it engulf you. Understand there is nothing you can do about it. In short, do not allow it to, "spoil your day".
Just because you were shot doesn't mean it was a good shooting,so no.
Just because you made a million arrest, doesn't mean you were a good cop, so no.
Just because you got some worthless degree on the taxpayers dime doesn't make you smart, so no.
What I am trying to say is: This is Chicago. Chicago ain't ready for a legit merit process, so no.
Boycott St.Judes, to show your displeasure with the bosses and the dept.
pleaseeeeee dont promote DA TALL ONE again!!! no people skills whatsoever and treats everyone like garbage..she needs an ego check at the door!
Anonymous said...
Captain Mags was the all-time merit promotion KING!
4/21/2012 01:22:00 AM
I'm glad the lard ass didn't get promoted to commander. All that gloating became a fail.
Merit perks are not only confined to our police dept. I am sure this is a cancer in every dept. in the country. We are probably one of the worst. Private industry does the same thing. What makes one boss better than the other. Who knows. Retired now but I was very lucky to have a vast majority of bosses who were great. I can only think of a handful who were not too nice or bright. Never had one who really hurt anyone. Lucky me.
How does Commander Martin get a merit pick? She only has 4 p.o.'s in her unit and 2 sgts?
Anonymous said...
There should be zero merit promotions. Ever. Not to start a flame war, but not even for those who stop a bullet. Being unlucky enough to get shot or otherwise seriously injured does not mean that you have the skill set to be a good supervisor.
I realize I just pissed people off but so be it.
4/21/2012 01:22:00 AM
You don't piss me off, sir. What should have been my promotion to detective became a promotion to youth investigator an entire class later than it would have been without the twenty-percent merit giveaway. My promotion to sergeant was again deferred by the merit rip-off scheme which delayed that promotion by eighteen months. Was I merely on the cusp on both lists? Hardly. I placed in the top seven percent on the sergeants list while persons who ranked over eighteen-hundred behind me were promoted in the first, second, and third classes off the list before it was yanked down by Phil DeCline. And many of those Einstein's went right to the "D", or a unit. And hard working, ambitious, deserving officers who could work rings around all off us but who scored a few names behind me were cheated out of their promotion by Daleys de facto affirmative action promotional policy. No merit, ever. It would take an attorney with only fair lawyering skills minutes to blow this travesty out of the water if the facts of "merit promotion" are argued in front of a conservative US Supreme Court. In fact the present court will be re-visiting the constitutionality of the race based admissions at state colleges and universities. This policy must be exposed and ended and there are more than a few exempts who think similarly. And as always-save yourself, vote Republican!
Anonymous said...
The only merits should go to people who have been shot, stabbed, run over etc. Or someone who has dome something so extraordinary as to bring great credit upon themselves and the dept as a whole.
4/21/2012 12:34:00 AM
i did 43 tvbs last month. thats pretty extraordinary....or is it
The Puppetmaster and lots of his puppets were at the fights lastnight.
So Quinn has a divine calling.
Quinn says that "I was put on this earth to fix this pensions problem"
How's he gonna do it? By cutting the pension benefits and making the people that have them pay more for less.
Cost of living increases will be "tightened".
Ha what's the purpose of a cost of living increase? Now, you're gonna cut that so each year forward you get pushed further into poverty upon retirement as the cost of living increases faster then your income.
Then we'll raise the retirement age to qualify for benefits. That way we chop off a couple years worth of benefits AND...and if we're lucky some of us will die before we get to collect any benefits at all!.
Also, we'll just increase what you have to pay into the pension plans.
So you see...there you go. We are all in this together. All of us get to pay for the mismanagement, lies, and mistakes of the leaders. Not one of them is punished and all of us get to pay for not holding them accountable.
Can't wait to see what they do to the union contracts, those meaningless pieces of paper.
Heh...on a side note. Have you been watching what's been going down in NYC? You think the law means something? Mayor Bloomberg is changing the law EVERY DAY! The latest joke is that the steps of Federal Hall have a designated area called a "Free Speech Zone" which has an occupancy limit of 25 people. The press is not allowed inside, there are no large signs allowed, no bags, boxes, or packaging of any type larger than an airline carry on bag. No music allowed and if you raise your voice too loud you will be arrested. That's your so-called "Free Speech Zone"
NYC citizens are being extorted to pay to have on average 40~50 NYPD officers stand and watch and watch the people inside the Free Speech Zone to make sure the law is not violated. Also the Federal police are now involved in this circus. Barricades stretch for blocks around Federal Hall creating circles of security barriers to ensure that only 25 people get to stand on the steps at a time.
In the last two weeks NYC went from allowing people to sleep on the streets as long as the sidewalks were not blocked to not allowing even sitting on the sidewalks. People then moved to the Federal controlled property such as Federal Hall and sat on those steps. Now sitting on the steps is illegal and a so-called "Free Speech Zone" has been created to give the impression that there is some sort of freedom here provided by the Constitution.
My point is. The laws are arbitrary and can be changed at a moments notice at the royalties digression. There is absolutely no input from the people who granted these elected leaders the temporary power to run things. I don't think that is how a democracy is suppose to work.
My point is. That if you think a union contracts words and signatures has any meaning just look at NYC at the way the written laws with words and signatures are being changed every day and then ask yourself what's stopping it from happening here? Nothing!
I agree with you that the "Merit" selection process is screwed up. I don't like it at all but all the FOP has to do to make some corrections is to look at the contract of the CFD. To get a Merit promotion there your name has to be submitted before the test. The union has a copy of ALL names submitted for merit. You must complete ALL parts of the exam AND have a score of 70% or better. In order to get a merit promotion you need 10 years on the job or 6 years after your last promotion.
Also 16% of promotions to a rank can be thru Merit. If the city uses any merit on a list, then the city has to take the total number of people promted off a certain list and whatever 16% is the city has to promote that many guys in ranked order before the next list is up.
EX: the city post o new list for Lt and promote 200 people off the list over the time the list is up. Even if the city only promotes 1 person by merit, the city would have to promote the next 32 people BEFORE the new Lt list is put up.
I have a few friends that work for the CFD and explained it to me. At least it is something to watch over the abuse.
Shove their promotions. I wouldn't associate with anyone considered worthy of promotion on this police department.
"You will not find any Chesty Pullers on CPD."
are kidding? there isnt even a gomer pile on this dept.
Anonymous said...
No one under ten years.
At least 500 felony arrests,
(Thats 4 about felonies a month, over ten years).
A minimum of 30 gun recoveries, over ten years (Thats less than one recovery every couple of months, over ten years).
Appears in the court process at least 15 hours per period, for the last ten years.
Scored at least in the top 2000 of the exam.
Can identify at least five of the most violent gangs in Chicago, where they exist, and why.
Be able to name one single event that their action's had a positive change on street environment or the community.
This would satisfy me.
4/21/2012 01:16:00 AM OK HERO...................................................................
OT: What's up with Quinn's pension reform proposals? Retirement at age 67???
NO on Merit.All depts need a clearly defined testing proceedure.The problem is with the testing services and process itself.The politically connected still get favortism and you never really know the results.
Most testing services,boards,commissions are tied to the machine and there is the real problem.
"Merit nominees must not have more than 45 days of non-I.O.D. medical time over the last 3 years."
Yeah, okay.
4/21/2012 12:35:00 AM
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So, my broken leg and the surgery it took to repair it, well, that puts me out of the running? Stupid idea.
The fact that you have an officer who was merit promoted to sergeant and then lieutenant and then was selected for commander of the 15 district just screams for reform of the system. The poor person who does not have clout or is not liked by the brass but who is competent, possibly with a great education, is overlooked and has to study their asses off and hope for some luck in order to advance. It can be done, the entire exam process is not rigged, at least not since the early 90s and honest people who studied were promoted. But, it should be an honest, fair and transparent promotion system. And, it is not.
VETERANS PREFF POINTS?????????
Semper Fi
Probably your best and most relevant posts in recent times SCC.
True dat !
There is a sergeant in 003, sgt CP,(urkle) he brags about his merit promotion and continues to brag about how he is going to make merit lieutenant by kissing ass and taking the credit for good work other officers did. He got in trouble for contempt of court on personal matters and got out of trouble because of his clout. He then got assigned to a made up burglary team where he brought in one of the biggest dogs on the watch to be his little princess. This loser is a classic example of why promotion by merit is such a bad idea.
Limiting "merit" promotions to one per career helps but only addresses the symptom. The "merit" calculation should be broad based including, quality of performance, attendance, disciplinary, education, work location/duties, seniority and any special skills or certifications. It should not include; legacy, affiliations, club/party membership, gender, race, religion or sexual orientation
Being a "ghetto working PO" is also not a true indicator of a good all-around Police Officer deserving of merit consideration. A good Police must be able to perform ALL aspects of policing, even the mundane, daily duties and assignments we all must handle...I would bet that even the Police unions would not be able to agree completely on what constitutes merit for promotion. I don't agree with merit promotion in its current form and have never benefitted from the process (promoted legitimately off the list in rank order prior to merit promotions).
I don't like Merit or think that it is needed. But you should NEVER be able to get more then one promotion thru Merit.
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Could not agree more. ONE merit promotion in your ENTIRE career excluding exempt positions. That should be easy enough. It will never happen though.
During my 25 years on the police department I have accumulated 3458 arrest. I've worked in 002,Gang crimes south, SOS, MSF, now currently in 005, I have made peace with myself that I'm never getting promoted and will retire a P.O.. Merit promotions are about who you know not what you do. Its sad to see outstanding officers getting passed over because of cronyism and nepotism. I guess i should blame myself for not talking to the right people but I truly believe its our system of promotions that is to blame. Good luck to all of you seeking promotions. CK 1st watch 005
Is it true that sgt's duty checks Are $1500 ?
Boys and girls dont get mad get even. Take advantage of the best benefit we have, tuition reimbursement. Concentrate on finishing your degrees. Get a MA if you have your BA. Get a PHD if you have an MA. Go to law school. Learn a discipline that will make you a comfortable living. The best part is you don't have to kiss a politicians ass to be promoted.
Its been done plenty of times and all it takes is some hard work. Instead of humping for exempts, put that time in studying for your future.
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Sorry I disagree. Last time I checked we are police officers. Tactics, Shooting and Education in our career field are what being a cop is about. How many millions of dollars has this police dept spent on bad shoots? How many police officers have been killed with their own weapons? How many of our brothers and sisters have been injured for the lack of fitness level or non existent inservice training for defensive tactics? We have plenty of degrees from Masters to Lawyers on this job. Problem is they have nothing to do with working the streets. Everyone with these fancy degrees are highly intelligent but have no skill level or zero knowledge in law enforcement. Training in Tactics and Firearms is education for Law Enforcement. The problem with this mindset is you are equating a Master's degree with a proper tactical mindset and skill when dealing with savages. Sorry this is not a Fortune Five hundred company. Yes we do need to be experts in knowing the law for proper arrest and criminal procedures. But you don't have to be a lawyer. How about a tuition reimbursement program for Combat Shooting Classes, Active Shooter, Room Entries, High Risk Warrant, Target Discrimination, Low Light Level Shooting, Tactical Medicine, Shooting from vehicles, and Fitness Classes. Nate Taylor was killed doing a vehicle take down. Proper training could have prevented that. Stop associating a degree with being a better police officer. It has zero to do with it. Just maybe if we provide better access to funds for our officers to advance their professional knowledge and skill level in knowing how to function under stress when dealing with criminals we would have less police officers lose their jobs because they end up over reacting when that adrenaline spikes and they will be able to shoot straighter when comforted violence.
No I don't have a degree but I guarantee, I will put to shame anyone in my mindset, tactics and shooting. If you want a degree go work for Donald Trump. I am going to the range now, you go hit the books and study your philosophy.
Anonymous said...
Here is a suggestion:
All merit selections for sgt and det must have made (box 1) at least 15 part one arrests. Also, how about adding a requirement that they testified in court at least once in their career.
4/21/2012 03:55:00 AM
Thats wrong, only requirement needed is to belong to a poverty pimp/gang banging reverand church affiliated with the liberal wing of the democratic party.
Has there been any attempt by FOP to post scores and lists?
Why the big secret?
Isn't this new administration all about "transparency"?
City Hall dictates when exams will be given and when the promotions come. They also have a hand in the merit bowl.
I don't expect this procedure to ever change.
I guess if merit selection was fair & square the lucky nominees would have a higher score than me.
— signed, some of the lonely upper 10%'ers passed over, shoved aside, kicked around in a District for another 4 + years.
With they way they yuppyized and bastardized this once great job by turning it into corporate america...who the hell would want to be Sgt.?
Anonymous said...
OT: Legislation, backed by Madigan, was voted out of committee for a Constitutional Amendment that would require 3/5th of the City Council to vote for any increases in our pensions. Does anyone believe that 3/5th of our Alderman would give us an increase? So why isn't the FOP lobbying in Springfield to get our existing pension bills passed now? We pay a lobbyist and Mark Donahue to do just that. There is so little concern over this that the FOP has never updated the current legislation list on their web site.
4/21/2012 12:29:00 AM
As long as they also agree to to any decrease in our pension to a decrease in their own pension equal to double what they want us to swallow.
Not that it would matter but why don't you have a post for all the district so they can put who the blue shirts believe is the most deserving. Then compare to actual merit list and see if even one of them make it.
Merit promotion should be an all or nothing proposition.
Those who apply for merit must be given a covert car and told to make as many felony arrests as possible. They can only work alone and must process all their arrestees by themselves. They can never call for backup, so they won't have radios, only scanners. They can work at anytime, or all the time, for two months before the class starts. Those who don't have enough arrests to qualify for a merit promotion are fired.
You can only make one attempt at merit. If one of your arrests get no probable cause or result in a not guilty, you are fired and another merit attemptee will be rehired to replace you (even years down the road if necessary).
In this scenario, merit promotees are the most respected, most feared police on this department. Most merit attemptees are killed driving around in covert cars with no backup making felony arrests by themselves. If they are killed, they get no department funeral, their star is not retired, it is melted.
This is the most fair, most respectable way to make merit promotees. It also weeds out a lot of fools and let's the department save money by hiring rookies to replace merit attemptees who fail.
it sucks when top brass were promoted by merit to sgt & lt
xo's replaced by sgt to run watch
because xo's unable to do the job
capt and lt rank will be gone in 10 years , replaced by politicaL appointed xo's
12:29 That change is just a scam to fool the public. I bet there is not one vote in the city council that was between 50 and 60% All are voted like 44 to 6 or 47 to 3 you have never seen a 51 to 49 If the mayor wants it past he can get the extra 5 voes from 26 to 31
I like the merit promotions first to dick then to sgt and back to d unit then LT and back to d unit. Because only detectives can be supervisors for detectives....who knew any of them were supervised????
lot of "special" people are dicks
Some of them that make sgt even when they did well, should not be a sgt!
According to the AP, three dead and eight wounded at a Texas cockfight.
And how about who gets to make merit nominations. Every civilian boss, like Ladner, Wilson, Jackson. What BS. Civilians who don't know shit and who have NO idea what a copper does and they get to nominate people for sergeant. And we wonder why our department is in the state it is. Shuffle those chairs on the deck.
Think morale is bad? Wait until you see the next batch of merit promotions!
Merit guys should pick watches and furlos after the legit. The respect of rank and leadership have become extremely deluded due to the merit/political system. We are now in organizational chaos because of these failed policies. This will become more apparent during NATO. THank God G8 was moved.
I heard a class of 100.
Then I heard a class of 75.
Then I heard a class of 50.
Now they're saying 30?
Anyone have the legit number?
Why is this always a fucking secret?
The deparmtent is always talking about transparency and is now even posting all the Merit Hacks but why don't they post how many of these mother fuckers they're planning to make so those of us who are going to get fucked by the Merits can plan accordingly.
Adding to the below list:
1. Mags - by far the worst merit pick
2. Spatre -
3. Wedster
4. Melchart
Wait, that's the contribution list to the 19th Ward, it's funny that there very similar
AREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8.
9.
4/21/2012 08:22:00 AM
Anonymous said...
CAREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8.
9.
4/21/2012 08:22:00 AM
#'s 8, 9 & 10. Lemmer
When I made Sergeant, it was the first class off a new list. I spent countless hours studying, paid for classes (Bernstein) and lots of time away from family to score high on test, only to have a guy from SWAT tell me he never even took second part. WOW, talk about a slap in the face to all those like me who studied. To make matters worse, he went right back to SWAT shortly after being promoted.
I will say this again commander Martin best commander 013 ever had. period !
Boycott St.Judes, to show your displeasure with the bosses and the dept.
4/21/2012 09:09:00 AM
Once again another asshole says boycott St. Judes to show displeasure to the bosses. Hey Assface St. Judes is about the officers who were killed in the line of duty and their families, not the bosses. If you don't want to go to St. Judes because you can't get up that early after a Saturday night out boozing then so be it. But don't use the bosses as an excuse for your lazy, selfish ass not going!!!!
They Hate That Second Amendment!
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“So you are telling me this is a politically motivated decision, is that right?”
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I think it is import for all Americans who believe in and support our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms should know when a business does not support these rights. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. When I don’t agree with a business’ political position I can not in good conscience support them. We will soon no longer be accepting Bank of America credit cards as payment for our products.
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Credit unions baby.. find yourself one. These banks could care less about our communities.
4/20/2012 12:47:00 PM
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I'm closing my account at Bank of America and I'll be sure to tell them why. Bank of AMERICA? Not so much, apparently.
Anonymous said...
CAREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8. D. Jarmusz
9. Barb West
10.R. Pavon
11.Ed Lenti
12.
4/21/2012 08:22:00 AM
"99.9% of you studied for the test... .095% studied THE test and .005% of you had the answers and everybody else that makes it is a merit pick..."
tell us about the female who cut in the top two on the dicks and sgt's tests?
heard she couldn't find her ass with four hands, three clues, two hints and a full length mirror when it came to policing.
but she and others like her "earned it."
horseshit and fuck it all...
"... The 79 test was when the City got their foot in the door by the use of an oral board. The formula changed to 40% test, 30% efficiency, and 30% oral board. The oral boards were where the City could get their guys promoted, but at least they had to pass a test.
FOP should have drawn a line in the sand as to merit selection..."
4/21/2012 08:25:00 AM
I was promoted from that list. My recollection is that the unions have filed lawsuits against the city IN EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE when the city has pulled any of their shit regarding promotions. Of course, it really doesn't matter when the Federal Judges REPEATEDLY rule in the City's favor.
The one time the city lost was when they promoted 10 or 11 Lts by merit when the subject of merit promotions had never been mentioned prior to the beginning of the exam process. The judge said NO, but only because the city changed the rules after the process had started. The judge returned them to the rank of Sgt.
Next, those DEmoted Lts filed suit saying they had done nothing wrong and had performed adequately in the higher rank and therefore did not deserve the DEmotion because of the City's screw-up. A judge agreed and they were all repromoted to Lt in the next class!
The bottom line here, though, is that every time the City has been sued, the judge tells them "Well, if you did it THIS way instead of THAT way, it would have been legal.
This is how we have gotten to where we are today with the merit promotions.
"merit" = sacrificing competence, intelligence, experience, and character, on the altar of political correctness, while bowing to the gods of diversity...
Just ask Pete Devine. Is he related to former states attorney political heavyweight Dick Devine? It could not be!
CAREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8. Maria Pena
9.
Hey softball, one of the larger reasons the pension is the shape it's in is as a result of all the sweetening done to it over the years.... Without increases in ours or the city's contribution. It's this kind of mentality that makes us look like assholes. What the city has done is criminal, but we have to be realistic also. There has been something like 18 sweetening to our pension since the 80's without any corresponding increase in contributions.
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That's right. Give up; bend over; and take one for the FOP and the Man.
Anonymous said...
Boycott St.Judes, to show your displeasure with the bosses and the dept.
4/21/2012 09:09:00 AM
There are other ways to show displeasure than by disrespecting our fallen and their families
http://tinyurl.com/c2h7mq4
Class action law suit against the city for the the speed cameras
http://tinyurl.com/7w6d4xs
rahm's buddy will probably get the speed camera deal
How does someone who can't answer questions about the job in a piece of paper, answer a P.O.'s questions on the street when it counts??? Merit is bad business. Someone does a good job, gets shot etc. give'em a good spot in a unit or a detective spot.
Anonymous said...
Shove their promotions. I wouldn't associate with anyone considered worthy of promotion on this police department.
You will not find any Chesty Pullers on CPD.
4/21/2012 03:04:00 AM
..... and you one them .... stroke or dogass probably both
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/crime/alton-hayes-trayvon-martin-white-man-attacked-black-racist-racism-maywood-chicago-suburb-20120420
Black teens rob, punch white teen bec they were mad about Trayvon. this happened in Maywood. will Cook county go with hate crime???? Doubt it
Merit promotees should have patrol experience, seen in court a lot, and have street EXPERIENCE. I know a few who made it off the list and were on bs iod and extended medical months before the test. They scored high but no one would work with them.
Do any of you believe anyone has been promoted on this job without clout? The system is corrupt from top to bottom picking on the "merit" promotees misses the fact that the guy who got promoted "legit" had the answers to the test before it was given. If the guy has a white shirt he bought it before he even took the test...
Hahahahahahahhaha
The gov wants to ADD a $1 tax to cigarette packs!!
In this scenario, merit promotees are the most respected, most feared police on this department. Most merit attemptees are killed driving around in covert cars with no backup making felony arrests by themselves. If they are killed, they get no department funeral, their star is not retired, it is melted.
This is the most fair, most respectable way to make merit promotees. It also weeds out a lot of fools and let's the department save money by hiring rookies to replace merit attemptees who fail.
I hope your not really the Police because if you passed the psychological who ever missed you and didn't weed you out is softer than you.
XO T.L. 701 related that their are way to many cry babies on this job. if you just do your job each and every day and put the dept before your family, the dept will take care of you. words of wisdom!
Anonymous said...
CAREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8. Maria Pena
9. Eddie Welch
10. Carlos Velez
11. Juan Rivera
12. Barb West
13.
"10.R. Pavon"? Uh, off all three of the lists he got promoted from, numnutz.
There is a sergeant in 003, sgt CP,(urkle) he brags about his merit promotion and continues to brag about how he is going to make merit lieutenant by kissing ass and taking the credit for good work other officers did. He got in trouble for contempt of court on personal matters and got out of trouble because of his clout. He then got assigned to a made up burglary team where he brought in one of the biggest dogs on the watch to be his little princess. This loser is a classic example of why promotion by merit is such a bad idea.
4/21/2012 12:28:00 PM
His clout is Dana Alexander.
He should be in call back.
His burglary team is a joke. Has 4 good workers on it and the rest leech of them.
Doesn't even do honorable mentions for his team. says, "that's their job."
He's a stroke of all strokes.
"Merit"=Too stupid to remember the answers that were given to everyone in the secret,by invitation "study group".The tests are rigged.Arguing about who's merit and who made it "legit"shows you still don't see the big picture.You know who will NEVER get promoted??The sap studying GO'S by the dome light at work.
There are other ways to show displeasure than by disrespecting our fallen and their families
4/21/2012 07:00:00 PM
Like???I don't see skipping St Judes as disrespectful.Being made to march out of sight,behind a museum?Thats disrespectful!There are other ways to honor our fallen.Go to church,fast and pray for them that day.
CAREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8. C. Rhein
9.
4/21/2012 08:22:00 AM
#'s 8, 9 & 10. Lemmer
Maybe merit promotions shouldn't be able to use their salaries for their pensions, they should only be able to use the salary of a postion they legitly tested. If they don't like it they can just do better on the test next time.
I would nominate that swat guy who got all his shit stolen from his car, including but not limited to a sniper riffle. O.....wait he is already a merit clout Sgt. Never mind, let's make him a merit Lt.
"There has been something like 18 sweetening to our pension since the 80's without any corresponding increase in contributions."
That's not entirely true. The percentages may stay the same, but since we've gotten a raise every year, the dollar amount goes up.
That said, both ours and the city's contribution percentages should be increased.
rb
Add Grau to the useless house mouse merit promo's. Another of Phil's yes men.Watch him bail out on the St police job when the Koshman special prosecutor get's roll'n.
Civilians can nominate officers. Are you fucking serious? Ladner can nominate an officer? Just be honest and list the alder creatures as well!
"There is a sergeant in 003, sgt CP,(urkle)...This loser is a classic example of why promotion by merit is such a bad idea."
But that won't keep him from being promoted, will it?
Welcome to CPD.
"During my 25 years on the police department I have accumulated 3458 arrest. I've worked in 002,Gang crimes south, SOS, MSF, now currently in 005, I have made peace with myself that I'm never getting promoted and will retire a P.O."
At least you can look at yourself in the mirror every day and be proud of who you are.
"rahm's buddy will probably get the speed camera deal"
Yeah but it's "for the children", so it's all good!
rb
Do any of you believe anyone has been promoted on this job without clout? The system is corrupt from top to bottom picking on the "merit" promotees misses the fact that the guy who got promoted "legit" had the answers to the test before it was given. If the guy has a white shirt he bought it before he even took the test...
4/21/2012 07:56:00 PM
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You sound jealous, malicious and small-minded.
I admit it; I blew my first sergeant's test. I had just enough time on to take it and I thought I knew it all, so I barely studied. I scored around 1300 and was so mortified, I wouldn't tell my friends how badly I did.
I studied myself ragged for the next one. I went to a 20 minute a day study group we threw together at work. Lunch time was study time. No super-secret 'special' study groups. We made practice questions for ourselves and reminded each other of all the little details they'd be looking for (one of which got me my stripes).
I spent eight hours a day on my furlough STUDYING. On working days, I spent two hours every day after work STUDYING. I walked into the next test ready for anything they could throw at me.
I made sergeant because I answered ONE question right, when most missed it. It moved me up nearly two hundred spots on the list, after the first part. Still, I waited and was in the third class off that test.
I paid NO ONE for my spot. I DID no one to get my promotion. I didn't know anyone to call and I'm too uncool to know how to do it, anyway.
And YOU are an insulting, first-class jerk, belittling everyone who made it legit and demeaning their hard work and determination, in order to make yourself feel a little better about your lot in life.
I vote for Del !!!! He has shown all of us what a real police officer really is made of. This is what real merit should be made the opportunity to be honorably promoted.
Not who I know, or who' s ass I can kiss or suck, but true police work putting your ass on the line, working hard, and one day getting some promotion to rank.
Anonymous said...
With they way they yuppyized and bastardized this once great job by turning it into corporate america...who the hell would want to be Sgt.?
4/21/2012 02:18:00 PM
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what the FUCK is that!!!! It CAN'T be English!!!!?
How about promoting detectives list too. Need a new class!!!
OT: What's up with Quinn's pension reform proposals? Retirement at age 67???
4/21/2012 11:51:00 AM
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STATE pensions. Not ours.
The first names on this job change the last names stay the same
Anonymous said...
CAREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8. Maria Pena
9. BARBARA WEST
10.
If the guy has a white shirt he bought it before he even took the test...
4/21/2012 07:56:00 PM
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Give it a rest and retire you jaded fuck!
You sound jealous, malicious and small-minded.
I admit it; I blew my first sergeant's test. I had just enough time on to take it and I thought I knew it all, so I barely studied. I scored around 1300 and was so mortified, I wouldn't tell my friends how badly I did.
I studied myself ragged for the next one. I went to a 20 minute a day study group we threw together at work. Lunch time was study time. No super-secret 'special' study groups. We made practice questions for ourselves and reminded each other of all the little details they'd be looking for (one of which got me my stripes).
I spent eight hours a day on my furlough STUDYING. On working days, I spent two hours every day after work STUDYING. I walked into the next test ready for anything they could throw at me.
I made sergeant because I answered ONE question right, when most missed it. It moved me up nearly two hundred spots on the list, after the first part. Still, I waited and was in the third class off that test.
I paid NO ONE for my spot. I DID no one to get my promotion. I didn't know anyone to call and I'm too uncool to know how to do it, anyway.
And YOU are an insulting, first-class jerk, belittling everyone who made it legit and demeaning their hard work and determination, in order to make yourself feel a little better about your lot in life.
4/22/2012 01:18:00 AM
You sound more full of shit than the phony exams this department gives. My favorite part of your bullshit is how you know exactly what question you answered right, that everyone else got wrong, and how you know it moved you up nearly 200 spots on the list. You came by all of this specific information exactly how? I really love how you refer to the original poster as insulting and then end your grammatically shitty diatribe with an insult of your own. I hate to tell you this, but if you really are a sergeant in the CPD, your lot in life is nothing to write home about either.
Do you savor the flavor??
Many people are attaching race to merit promotions. When Phil Cline promoted his son and the majority of his team in 011 those were white guys. It isn't just black officers, white officers are stealing spots too! The bottom line is who you know will not make you a good supervisor.
Legit and fair cannot be used in the same sentence when discussing CPD.
If you made rank or specialty position you have a chinaman.
The dream of a merit promotion is what the department dangles in front of the rank and file..much like a carrot in front of a donkey...it keeps the donkey moving foreward...in the hope of eating that carrot...
The question is will that donkey ever get the carrot or will he just be worked to death...
Anonymous said...
CAREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8. Maria Pena
9. BARBARA WEST
10.
4/22/2012 02:19:00 AM
Worked for Graeber in the District. Good boos, shouldn't be on that list.
To those who rule the roost:
Please promote at least 100 off the list this time around.
Can't the "merits" be last in line?
They should have one class of merits before the list comes down....they shouldn't be jumping ahead of those who scored well.AND, it you've been merit detective, you shouldn't be allowed two bites of the merit apple.
I admit it; I blew my first sergeant's test. I had just enough time on to take it and I thought I knew it all, so I barely studied. I scored around 1300 and was so mortified, I wouldn't tell my friends how badly I did.
I studied myself ragged for the next one. I went to a 20 minute a day study group we threw together at work. Lunch time was study time. No super-secret 'special' study groups. We made practice questions for ourselves and reminded each other of all the little details they'd be looking for (one of which got me my stripes).
I spent eight hours a day on my furlough STUDYING. On working days, I spent two hours every day after work STUDYING. I walked into the next test ready for anything they could throw at me.
I made sergeant because I answered ONE question right, when most missed it. It moved me up nearly two hundred spots on the list, after the first part. Still, I waited and was in the third class off that test.
I paid NO ONE for my spot. I DID no one to get my promotion. I didn't know anyone to call and I'm too uncool to know how to do it, anyway.
And YOU are an insulting, first-class jerk, belittling everyone who made it legit and demeaning their hard work and determination, in order to make yourself feel a little better about your lot in life.
4/22/2012 01:18:00 AM
Congratulations to you. My story is pretty much the same. The Friday before the test I was having coffee with two PO's who had not studied, and they knew that I had. We started talking about the test, and I told them what the test would be about and what questions to expect. After the test they accused me of having a copy of the test. I explained to them their is only so much they can ask you about pertaining to the job of Sgt.. My study group concentrated on only those parts of the job pertaining to Sgt..
In no way can you minimize the fact that, at that time, if you have no clout the only way to get promoted is to study your ass off.
There was a time you could do this and beat the system. The objective part of the exam, at that time, was weighted so heavily that you could overcome your lack of connections.
At the time I took the 79 test for Sgt. you did not know what your efficiency was, the Sgt. did it in secret, and did not tell you. If you worked a straight shift you were screwed. I found out after the test that I had an 85.6 efficiency and had scored an 85 on the oral. My test score was so high that they had to make me. So much for the naysayers.
That being said, the city will always find a way to make guys they want to make. By allowing merit promotions we have allowed the city to legitimize clout. Years ago they would have had to do things that were likely illegal to make their guys.
The only fair way is to go back to a formula of efficiency and test scores to form a promotion list. Although merit promotions are, in the rare case, deserved, the fact that they are a morale killer, distrusted by the vast majority of PO's and intrinsically corrupt, merit promotions should be killed off as an experiment that has outlived its usefulness.
Anonymous said...
I like the merit promotions first to dick then to sgt and back to d unit then LT and back to d unit. Because only detectives can be supervisors for detectives....who knew any of them were supervised????
lot of "special" people are dicks
4/21/2012 02:53:00 PM
That's so true! They are awesome.
Hey softball, one of the larger reasons the pension is the shape it's in is as a result of all the sweetening done to it over the years.... Without increases in ours or the city's contribution. It's this kind of mentality that makes us look like assholes. What the city has done is criminal, but we have to be realistic also. There has been something like 18 sweetening to our pension since the 80's without any corresponding increase in contributions.
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That's right. Give up; bend over; and take one for the FOP and the Man.
I didn't say bend over asshat .. I just said we have to be realistic. I want the same pension rules as right now.... But is isn't beyond the realm to expect an increase in our contribution or changes in years required to collect the pension. There are going to be changes if it's going to survive going forward, and arguing about sweetening it from the levels today is idiotic.
To the gentleman who opined that we increased our contribution everytime we get a raise, you are correct to a point. That increase is equal to the difference in a pension a mythical guy who retires in 1 year as opposed to a guy that retires in 25 years. So its not really a raise... Its more like the thing that should've been done all along... Paying for more benefits. I'm referring to things like reducing the time needed to max out etc.
No I don't have a degree but I guarantee, I will put to shame anyone in my mindset, tactics and shooting. If you want a degree go work for Donald Trump. I am going to the range now, you go hit the books and study your philosophy.
4/21/2012 01:15:00 PM
You went way off on a tangent. Nowhere did the original poster say an education will make you a better cop.The poster said get even with the city by using the tuition benefit to earn a comfortable living outside of the police department. READING IS FUNDAMENTAL!
During my 25 years on the police department I have accumulated 3458 arrest. I've worked in 002,Gang crimes south, SOS, MSF, now currently in 005, I have made peace with myself that I'm never getting promoted and will retire a P.O.
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The vast majority of people in most jobs can go about the business of doing it well for many years but not be suitable for promotion. That is just the way it is. That is no different for police than any other job.
There is nothing to be ashamed of in doing a good job in whatever your job is. In fact, it should be a source of pride.
Most places there are no more than 10-15% of people who ever get promoted into supervisory or leadership ranks. Typically, the longer one sticks around the bottom of the heap, the less likely a promotion is.
i'm marching on michigan ave this St. Jude
Of course if any of it was legit after it was scored everyone who took the test would get a list of where everyone placed. You know, so you could watch the promotions as they happened and REALLY know where you stood.
I have worked for many sgt. That we're off the list and they were bad supervisors. Some of the best sgt that I ever worked for we're merit guys. They new the job. There were so many guys and girls that hit the medical to study for the test. And other that had the answers. Think about it, I don't want to work for them. I would rather work for someone that has experience. I understand some don't deserve it but some do. I currently work for a merit guy and I have over twenty years on the job! He is a very intelligent guy, hard worker and has our backs. Just saying.
Civilians can nominate officers. Are you fucking serious? Ladner can nominate an officer? Just be honest and list the alder creatures as well!
Ladner had at least two whiteshirts in her office, Barb West and Lyn Helm ( re promoted) to commander. Sgt Johnson in her office is probably going to be a merit lieutenant/commander.
Hillard pulls the strings in that office as well.
Promote Del he has done more than almost all gold stars,he took a bullet and survived hey mcnuts what say you??
Merit Promotions are OK but must comply with the following:
8% white males
14% white females
2% Asian males
3% Asian females
18% transgendered whatever
17% male hispanics
12% female hispanics
21% retarded
28% Black
Of these totals 40% must be gay
If you think test scores mean anything. you're delusional. The scores come from the outside consultant and are matched up to the officers who took them by CPD. If you score well, you're score probably goes to someone already pre-selected. You get their score. It's all BS, so why not just make it all merit. Then we know anyone above the rank of PO is just a suck ass.
Anonymous said...
"10.R. Pavon"? Uh, off all three of the lists he got promoted from, numnutz.
Uhm, BULLSHIT
Here is a messasge to all of those jaded miserable , useless fucks who think every supervisor either bought his promotion or was given the answers ( those not merit). GFY. I studied my ass off for months to make sergeant . I stayed a sergeant for almost 20 years as I was cheated out lf lieutenant in the 87 exam. In the 94 exam, I spent my entire furlough studying and months before that. I paid for study programs on taking exams and in-basket methods, nothing secret about that. I did not have clout and was not assigned to a cherry unit. I did not make exempt as did every merit promottee in my class. You are so jaded that you cannot see straight. I had a friend who retired as a patroman. No shame in that. However, he moaned that he was never promoted. The fact is he never studied or evern sat for any exams in his entire careet. I suspect that is the case with you. I have worked with supervisors, both who were made legit off of the list and some who were merit. I honestly cannot think of one who was competent who was merit. Some of those off of the legit list were not knowledgable, but they had the intelligence and will to get up to speed.
Do any of you believe anyone has been promoted on this job without clout? The system is corrupt from top to bottom picking on the "merit" promotees misses the fact that the guy who got promoted "legit" had the answers to the test before it was given. If the guy has a white shirt he bought it before he even took the test...
4/21/2012 07:56:00 PM
A big fuck you--you whiny prick. You have insulted countless people on this job who have been promoted without clout. Get off your lazy ass and try studying--ah nevermind--just enjoy that beat car the rest of your miserable life.
Merit promotions, sadly are here to stay. What I hate more than the merit promtions are the people they give rank to. Then you have to listen to their b.s. over and over because the actually believe they deserved to be promoted. They will even go on to say how hard the studied. P.T. I'm talkin about you.
Anonymous said...
I like the merit promotions first to dick then to sgt and back to d unit then LT and back to d unit. Because only detectives can be supervisors for detectives....who knew any of them were supervised????
lot of "special" people are dicks
4/21/2012 02:53:00 PM
That's so true! They are awesome.
LOL!!!!
So true. Hey, for the record. Fuck the sgt thing and try to be a detective. It's not as good at it once was but it's still the best show in town.
I made $140,000 last year and never worked one day of special. As a rather older guy in the D unit don't hate just get here. You won't be sorry.
"Many people are attaching race to merit promotions. When Phil Cline promoted his son and the majority of his team in 011 those were white guys. It isn't just black officers, white officers are stealing spots too! The bottom line is who you know will not make you a good supervisor."
Didn't the whole team except two minorities get meritoriously promoted?
was juan rivera promoted meritoriously? anyone know
Do any of you believe anyone has been promoted on this job without clout? The system is corrupt from top to bottom picking on the "merit" promotees misses the fact that the guy who got promoted "legit" had the answers to the test before it was given. If the guy has a white shirt he bought it before he even took the test...
4/21/2012 07:56:00 PM
A big fuck you--you whiny prick. You have insulted countless people on this job who have been promoted without clout. Get off your lazy ass and try studying--ah nevermind--just enjoy that beat car the rest of your miserable life.
NONSENSE CLOUT RULES ON CPD ALWAY HAS AND ALWAYS WILL
FUK YOU COUTED I DO NOTHING
Kissmy ass I fought for your Freedom Can't even get Vet points anyother city or state but here
Semper Fi
The bottom line is who you know will not make you a good supervisor."
the Semper Fi Team in combat
Counts for nothing here
regardless of What Aldercreature Blacer says
I made $140,000 last year and never worked one day of special. As a rather older guy in the D unit don't hate just get here. You won't be sorry.
4/22/2012 05:06:00 PM
I'd much rather be home with my family, than scamming every possible bit of OT.
His post rings true for every one of us that worked for it. It rings sour if you didn't put your heart and soul into it whether you made it or not.
I took a test, I placed just under 200, and I became a sergeant around 13 years ago. I didn't bust my ass studying and over thinking everything and I sure as shit didn't know anyone on or off the job that could help me. I didn't take any study groups and I certainly wasn't given the answers.
Did I beat the odds? Hell yes! DO I feel very lucky? You bet!!!
Along the way, people I made friends with have risen through the ranks. Some merit, some not. It took a while, but I got a "spot" because one of those friends pulled me into his unit. I'm not going to apologize for it. If you spend 20 years on this job and have never met a person who was willing and able to get you out of a beat car, look in the mirror. Maybe you're just an asshole.
Do not forget Commander 020th, Moy entire career meritorious promotions, detective,sgt,lt, commander!!!!
As a typical dog ass patrol MAN, my opinion of merit is political bullshit. I do want to point out the recent Rant Order Sergeants and their accomplishments; Sgt. John Hermann 006th District-PRISON, Sgt. Stacy Breen-recent reinstatement of the charge of Official Misconduct, Sgt. Ron Watts 002nd District-Felony Theft and facing felony FEDERAL conviction. You can bitch all you want about merit promotion but the promotes from the list are just as bad.
There is a Lt assigned to the 1st watch in 9 who is hated by his entire watch and he is a rank order promote. We would take a merit Lt. anytime.
1st watch 9th District
NONSENSE CLOUT RULES ON CPD ALWAY HAS AND ALWAYS WILL
FUK YOU COUTED I DO NOTHING
Kissmy ass I fought for your Freedom Can't even get Vet points anyother city or state but here
Semper Fi
4/22/2012 05:56:00 PM
You can't even write, but you want your "vet" points to propel you to a promotion? You wouldn't even pass the written. You would be a scary Detective or supervisor. Did they teach you to whine in the Marines? Marine, did you know your cock holster has other uses than whining? Stop whining and act like a Marine you turd
You sound more full of shit than the phony exams this department gives. My favorite part of your bullshit is how you know exactly what question you answered right, that everyone else got wrong, and how you know it moved you up nearly 200 spots on the list. You came by all of this specific information exactly how? I really love how you refer to the original poster as insulting and then end your grammatically shitty diatribe with an insult of your own. I hate to tell you this, but if you really are a sergeant in the CPD, your lot in life is nothing to write home about either.
4/22/2012 05:54:00 AM
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Let me make it simple enough so even you can understand it. I scored perfect on one section of the test. It was an oral exercise where you were required to present an off-the-cuff roll call training. A lot of people I know scored one point lower than I did. When we talked about it, we all realized which point they had missed and which one I hadn't. (I also walked out of the 'in-box' exercise half an hour before time was up, because it seemed pretty straightforward to me. Did pretty well on that part, too.)
I'd be fronting a friend by explaining the rest to you, which I would never do on a public blog. The segments were scored separately, though, and we knew where we stood.
As for my lot in life being nothing to write home about, well, my lot in life is exceptionally good. Thanks for your concern.
As for my lot in life being nothing to write home about, well, my lot in life is exceptionally good. Thanks for your concern.
4/23/2012 01:33:00 AM
If you say so and I'm definitely not concerned.
the question is who wants to be a sgt in this department. the stuff they have to do and the dss stufff with no extra pay what is the benefit. Fuck the department....
Anonymous said...
I took a test, I placed just under 200, and I became a sergeant around 13 years ago. I didn't bust my ass studying and over thinking everything and I sure as shit didn't know anyone on or off the job that could help me. I didn't take any study groups and I certainly wasn't given the answers.
Did I beat the odds? Hell yes! DO I feel very lucky? You bet!!!
Along the way, people I made friends with have risen through the ranks. Some merit, some not. It took a while, but I got a "spot" because one of those friends pulled me into his unit. I'm not going to apologize for it. If you spend 20 years on this job and have never met a person who was willing and able to get you out of a beat car, look in the mirror. Maybe you're just an asshole.
4/22/2012 10:22:00 PM
its nice to have a CHINAMAN isnt it.
FYI. Former sgt. John Herman has been released from prison and will not be retried. The courts overturned his convictions and stated that there was no evidence that he was guilty of his alleged crimes. And, if you check, he is not on the registered sex offender list, because he was found not guilty. Maybe he did some really stupid things and never should have been on the job, and I say maybe, but he is not guilty of these alleged crimes. m
Dear Scc:
Wow! What a thread you got going here.
First to 4/21 0756: you are not a nice person, you are actually an asshole and I feel sorry for you and your family and friends that have to deal with you on a daily basis. It is a sad day when someone has no hope and has to put down others' accomplishments to make himself feel better. There is help, call EAP.
Second to 4/22 0118: You are a nice person! Yeah! I studied so much for four tests. The two that I studied the hardest for, I got promoted. The one I studied not so much for, well, I don't speak about that one because I am shamed. But the last one I studied for, at least 6 months straight, spent about $1,500, I did ok but merit blew out. Am I whining? No, cause I know I could have studied more and I probably would have made it. I knew where I was lacking, but was just too tired or too lazy to keep at it, I just hoped for the best. I didn't whine about it, cause it was my fault. Maybe if they throw out merit, I will get it someday but I'm not holding my breath. I just hope there is one more test in my future that I can get for pension purposes. Ass above us doesn't get it. I guess with 20+ years, 4 tests and thousands of dollars and no secret study groups, I get merit promoted twice! Lucky me.
Third to 4/21 0115: What in the hell are you squalking about? You make no sense man, like the other guy says "reading is fundamental"!
Can't be on the medical for more than 45 days, 3 yrs before promotion? So I guess my old partner, who had cancer, was out for 4 months and beat it, should not have been promoted? What sense does that make? ADA read about it
And last but not least, Semper Fi, believe me when I say that I don't normally give people the benefit of the doubt, even good guys, they have to prove themselves to me. But when it comes to people that have served this country, they usually get that benefit first, then if it goes downhill from there, so be it. But with an arrogant ass like yourself, you don't deserve veteran's points. But, just so you know, the City of Chicago does give veterans preference at hiring, look it up. So if you served for at least 180 days and had an honorable or general discharge, then you would have been given hiring preference, probably in the form of 5% on your final points, or just first preference. So before you want to whine about something you know absolutely nothing about, look it up because it really did not make the Marine in you look very good. You can only use veteran's preference once for hire in Chicago, not for promotions. And why should they? Like I said, I respect service members, but just because you served, doesn't mean you know how to investigate crimes or lead people. There are a few Marines on this job that would make for bad leaders because they are cement heads.
Thank you, I needed that, let the games begin
From a happy retiree: I used vet points to come on the job and for the sergeant's promotional exam in 1973. I believe this was the last time points were allowed because women did not have points ( although nothing stopped them from enlisting, they were not draft eligible). Prior to the 1973 exam the tie breaker was who signed the " book " first, that was a book kept at the civil service office and you signed the book when you applied to take the exam. Of course , those with clout were always given advance notice and signed first. The first 100 or so slots, maybe as high as 200 were reserved for this with sponsors or who had paid. The going rate was 5 grand for sergeant, I imagine a lot higher for other ranks. I did hear 25 grand for captain.
NONSENSE CLOUT RULES ON CPD ALWAY HAS AND ALWAYS WILL
FUK YOU COUTED I DO NOTHING
Kissmy ass I fought for your Freedom Can't even get Vet points anyother city or state but here
Semper Fi
4/22/2012 05:56:00 PM
Pretty safe bet that you didn't even pass that GED test after the Marine Corp !!!!
Anonymous said...
CAREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8. E. Weiss (wife of Leo S.)
9.
4/21/2012 08:22:00 AM
Anonymous said...
CAREER MERIT PROMOTEES promoted beyond their abilities:
Keep the list going....
1. A. Carothers
2. A. Wysinger
3. Leo S.
4. F. Gross
5. J. Graeber
6. Henny Penny Trihanas
7. D. Delorie
8. C. Rhein
9.
4/21/2012 08:22:00 AM
#'s 8, 9 & 10. Lemmer
VERY good so far. Let's add
Maria Maher, and Jan Dillion
4/22/2012 05:56:00 PM
Pretty safe bet that you didn't even pass that GED test after the Marine Corp !!!!
4/23/2012 03:10:00 PM
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I am assuming that you are not a military person. Knuckle dragger (dumb fuck), respect the military personnel. Your parents probably put you through private schools (they had aspirations of you being a lawyer, medical doctor, or something “prestigious”); and you can probably read, write, and comprehend at the fourth grade level. But you still have to respect for the military.
Third to 4/21 0115: What in the hell are you squalking about? You make no sense man, like the other guy says "reading is fundamental"!
4/23/2012 10:07:00 AM
Hey! Im a girl! Seriously, I am.
Pretty safe bet that you didn't even pass that GED test after the Marine Corp !!!!
=It's CORPS not Corp
if someone is going to be merit promoted then they should only get 1 merit for their whole career.
You know what happens when you "assume" right asshole? I was in fact in the military. My comment was directed at the misinformed, illiterate person who wrote it, not at the military itself. Read it again goof.
wahhhh, I didnt get to be made sgt and the other guy did by merit!!! wahhhhhhhhh wahhhhh. welcome to the police department. Deal with it. If you dont like it then dont be number 400 on the list. Study and be in the top one hundred and pass the test. Oh let me guess your next excuse why you didn't make sgt.. you didn't have the answers like some of the connected... your all pathetic. Study hard enough and you can score good on it. Spend some money and you can get in multiple study groups. I did and I scored 18 on the list...and im not even a good test taker. For the people who whine they didn't make sgt because of merit then you should have studied harder. that way merit doesn't even become an issue. Im proud I got it by test and got in the first class.. If one of my previous bosses would have picked me for merit then I would have been just as proud. Take it anyway you can get it. Im sure any one of the guys here bitching about merit if a boss said hey im putting you in for merit sgt you would take it in a heartbeat... so please, try not to fool everyone how your above being made merit. I dont agree that some of these idiot drivers and house mouses are made merit just because they blew the boss but hey, thats politics for ya. I know many many good sgts, lts and exempt who were made merit their entire career.. One of those was one of the best bosses this dept has ever seen.. Unfortunately he died in January suddenly. Another was forced out by Jody. Another was forced out by Daley. So please, with all bad there is good. Nothing but crybabies on this job. Instead of studying hard and taking initiative they sit back, get to be 500 on the list and wonder why they are not sgt..because they are the smartest guy they know. Please.. get off your ass and make YOURSELF A SGT! Everyone wants it handed to them and if the other guy gets it by test or merit they will cry.. its called jealousy and its rampant in the CPD.
"its nice to have a CHINAMAN isnt it."
Jackie Chan is my Chinaman!
Anonymous said...
You know what happens when you "assume" right asshole? I was in fact in the military. My comment was directed at the misinformed, illiterate person who wrote it, not at the military itself. Read it again goof.
4/24/2012 08:39:00 AM
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Well, it is nice that you can read at the fourth grade level. The comment, read contextually, insults the military. Moreover, you wrote the comment; and it does project an insult. But I will not elaborate any further because your comprehension is at the fourth grade level as well. And calling people an asshole does not negate any of the aforementioned statements. And, since this thread is about promotions and leadership, you should have seen that my comment expressed the idea that military people deserve more support. Additionally, I am not putting too much stock on your performance on the next promotioal exam. But I digress; how do you like them apples?
wahhhh, I didnt get to be made sgt and the other guy did by merit!!! wahhhhhhhhh wahhhhh. welcome to the police department. Deal with it. If you dont like it then dont be number 400 on the list. Study and be in the top one hundred and pass the test. Oh let me guess your next excuse why you didn't make sgt.. you didn't have the answers like some of the connected... your all pathetic. Study hard enough and you can score good on it. Spend some money and you can get in multiple study groups. I did and I scored 18 on the list...and im not even a good test taker. For the people who whine they didn't make sgt because of merit then you should have studied harder. that way merit doesn't even become an issue. Im proud I got it by test and got in the first class.. If one of my previous bosses would have picked me for merit then I would have been just as proud. Take it anyway you can get it. Im sure any one of the guys here bitching about merit if a boss said hey im putting you in for merit sgt you would take it in a heartbeat... so please, try not to fool everyone how your above being made merit. I dont agree that some of these idiot drivers and house mouses are made merit just because they blew the boss but hey, thats politics for ya. I know many many good sgts, lts and exempt who were made merit their entire career.. One of those was one of the best bosses this dept has ever seen.. Unfortunately he died in January suddenly. Another was forced out by Jody. Another was forced out by Daley. So please, with all bad there is good. Nothing but crybabies on this job. Instead of studying hard and taking initiative they sit back, get to be 500 on the list and wonder why they are not sgt..because they are the smartest guy they know. Please.. get off your ass and make YOURSELF A SGT! Everyone wants it handed to them and if the other guy gets it by test or merit they will cry.. its called jealousy and its rampant in the CPD.
4/24/2012 11:57:00 AM
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Thank you for verifying one of my convictions; Even though a few people get the test with the answers, you can still outscore them. This is a joke. Someone with the answers should write a near perfect exam. But some people are just dumb. But on a different note, congratulations! And, related to your success and intelligence, please give us a rough idea of what you did (Courses, study material, study partners, time spent on studying and so on).
The only merits should go to people who have been shot, stabbed, run over etc. Or someone who has dome something so extraordinary as to bring great credit upon themselves and the dept as a whole.
4/21/2012 12:34:00 AM
I agree. Here’s all little history of merit I have been researching out of curiosity. The first “merit” in the history of the Chicago Police Dept. was for detectives, for the 1989 test.
3392 took written, of which the city wanted the top 650 to take oral. Of the 650, there were not enough minorities, argued the city. Therefore the “races” were separated (white, black, Hispanic) and the top 17% of each race were selected to take oral. Cutoff scores then became: white (82), Hispanic (79), and black (73). 619 ended up taking oral. 64 were to be promoted. 42 in rank order (does not say what race these were) 22 out of rank order (18 black, 4 hispanic) 26 merit (also not sure what race). Plaintiff’s sued based on the “out of rank order” promotions. FOP filed grievance. Arbitrator ruled the merit was OK, but “out of rank order” violated the collective bargaining agreement. City responded by promoting 37 more det. in rank order. So this is the new breakdown, I could be wrong though: 79 in rank order (does not say what race these were), 22 out of order (18 black, 4 hispanic), 26 merit (also not sure what race), 127 TOTAL PROMOTED. (Of these, 90 were in rank order. So the 37 were added to this, which probably included the original 22 “out of rank order” and 15 merit. Just a guess). And get this. Plaintiff’s had to pay city’s costs of $38K. (City won this case in that they had a compelling interest, narrowly tailored, to promote based on race, arguing blacks and Hispanics were previously discriminated against). Plaintiffs were cops who were next in line to be promoted in rank order but were displaced due to “out of rank” and merit promotions. Plaintiffs were eventually promoted and given backpay. But what of the cops right behind them in order? Tough shit I guess. Majeske v. City of Chicago (2000).
wahhhh, I didnt get to be made sgt and the other guy did by merit!!! wahhhhhhhhh wahhhhh. welcome to the police department. Deal with it. If you dont like it then dont be number 400 on the list. Study and be in the top one hundred and pass the test. Oh let me guess your next excuse why you didn't make sgt.. you didn't have the answers like some of the connected... your all pathetic. Study hard enough and you can score good on it. Spend some money and you can get in multiple study groups. I did and I scored 18 on the list...and im not even a good test taker. For the people who whine they didn't make sgt because of merit then you should have studied harder. that way merit doesn't even become an issue. Im proud I got it by test and got in the first class.. If one of my previous bosses would have picked me for merit then I would have been just as proud. Take it anyway you can get it. Im sure any one of the guys here bitching about merit if a boss said hey im putting you in for merit sgt you would take it in a heartbeat... so please, try not to fool everyone how your above being made merit. I dont agree that some of these idiot drivers and house mouses are made merit just because they blew the boss but hey, thats politics for ya. I know many many good sgts, lts and exempt who were made merit their entire career.. One of those was one of the best bosses this dept has ever seen.. Unfortunately he died in January suddenly. Another was forced out by Jody. Another was forced out by Daley. So please, with all bad there is good. Nothing but crybabies on this job. Instead of studying hard and taking initiative they sit back, get to be 500 on the list and wonder why they are not sgt..because they are the smartest guy they know. Please.. get off your ass and make YOURSELF A SGT! Everyone wants it handed to them and if the other guy gets it by test or merit they will cry.. its called jealousy and its rampant in the CPD.
4/24/2012 11:57:00 AM
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18 on the list? I might know who you are. Are you sure that you did not get the answers and had too study the answers really hard?
Mderit was approved by the federal courts as a way to even the lists racially after the 1994 series of promotional exams. Ald. Beavers was the prime sponsor of this. He reasoned that there were way too many people getting promoted on tests who could not find a bleeding elephant in the snow. Nice reasoning, but flawed. The city then went and made merit promotions of people who never even took the test or any part of it. Then they promoted people who were lawyers and school teachers, people with lots of clout. This system will never go away, it is a gift to the administration. However, the FOP can and should make this an issue.
4/21/2012 08:30:00 AM
You’re sort of wrong, but I am kind of splitting hairs too. Merit started with1989 Det. Test. Adams v. City of Chicago, 135 F.3d 1150 (1998) states the following: Although 46% of those who took the Chicago Police Sgt. Test were minorities, only 12% were later eligible for promotion. Plaintiff’s alleged disparate impact and a violation of Title VII. 1993 Sgt’s test (administered in first 3 months of 1994). 3 parts, the third being oral. There was no meritorious whatsoever. 4,700 took parts I (31.8% were black, 10.8% were Hispanic, and 56.4% were white) and II, of which 1,900 went on to part III. But after all three parts were graded, about 88% of those designated to be promoted to sergeant were white and 12% were minority. The plaintiffs filed an interlocutory appeal. However, during the pendency of this appeal, the City of Chicago initiated a Blue Ribbon Task Force to review the Department's promotion practices. By consent of the parties, argument on this appeal was delayed until the Task Force issued its report. In May 1997, the Task Force issued its report recommending that up to 30% of the Department's promotions to sergeant be made on the basis of "merit." This meant that current sergeants and lieutenants would pick 30% of the police officers that would be promoted to sergeant. I am not positive, but I think the 1998 Sgt. Test was the first to have that 30% merit. I don’t think the 1993 test did. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. I don’t know who won this case, this Adams case. I know it was brought by minority officers, but I don’t know the outcome. The case I read was the minority officers asking for a preliminary injunction, which they lost. But the actual case, I don’t know.
When I came on the job in 1968, we had classes of 34 or so every two weeks. In my class only two people were not veterans, most of the younger guys were only home from military a year or less.Many took the physical at the academy in their khakis. You could tell the difference between the vets and non vets. A big difference. And the difference carried on when we hit the streets. I would take a military veteran any day of the week over someone who choose not to serve.
Whatever. More bullshit. It's all legit. We get it.
I agree. Here’s all little history of merit I have been researching out of curiosity. The first “merit” in the history of the Chicago Police Dept. was for detectives, for the 1989 test
Not quite sure where you are getting your info from, but I was put in for meritorious detective in 1979.
18 on the list? I might know who you are. Are you sure that you did not get the answers and had too study the answers really hard?
And here is the perfect example of the jealousy. I didnt get it so im gonna keep coming up with reasons the other guy shouldnt have gotten it. No, I didnt "study the answers really hard." I took initiative and studied my as* off every single night. Got into several study groups and made my life a living hell for over a year preparing for this test. If you want something that bad then prepare for it and get it.. If not dont make excuses of why you failed. You sir are one of the people I was talking about. You always have to come up with something else why someone got made and you didnt. 18 on the list because I worked my ass off... plain and simple. If you dont like it too bad you should have studied harder. Maybe you can do better next time by not blowing it off and thinking you know it all and are the best copper around. I cant stand the whiny dogs on this department. It makes the good hardworking beat bcoppers look bad.
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18 on the list? I might know who you are. Are you sure that you did not get the answers and had too study the answers really hard?
And here is the perfect example of the jealousy. I didnt get it so im gonna keep coming up with reasons the other guy shouldnt have gotten it. No, I didnt "study the answers really hard." I took initiative and studied my as* off every single night. Got into several study groups and made my life a living hell for over a year preparing for this test. If you want something that bad then prepare for it and get it.. If not dont make excuses of why you failed. You sir are one of the people I was talking about. You always have to come up with something else why someone got made and you didnt. 18 on the list because I worked my ass off... plain and simple. If you dont like it too bad you should have studied harder. Maybe you can do better next time by not blowing it off and thinking you know it all and are the best copper around. I cant stand the whiny dogs on this department. It makes the good hardworking beat bcoppers look bad.
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Congratulations and good for you…. I am not jealous. I have taken quite a few incredibly demanding exams (outside of this job); I excelled in all of them including the written (essay) exams. I have not taken one promotional exam on this job. I hold a professional title; I am not jealous of someone who made sergeant. I am extremely confident in my aptitude and abilities.
Congratulations and good for you…. I am not jealous. I have taken quite a few incredibly demanding exams (outside of this job); I excelled in all of them including the written (essay) exams. I have not taken one promotional exam on this job. I hold a professional title; I am not jealous of someone who made sergeant. I am extremely confident in my aptitude and abilities.
congrats to you... now, you and your "professional title" go man your beat car and answer your domestic. Hopefully thats not beneath you or your professional title. Another problem with our job these days... college educated elitists who think they are better than everyone else because they passed a "few incredibly demanding exams." none of which have anything to do with this job. At the end of the day you and your professional titles are still sitting in a sh*tty ford answering nonsense disturbances in the ghetto.
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