NATO - Time Versus Money
The Lodge filed a class action grievance on behalf of all members who work overtime during the NATO summit and request to be credited with compensatory time instead of receiving a cash payment.
The Department has printed new overtime slips (blue) that have already been completed with the “Money” box checked. Any member who wishes to be credited with compensatory time should cross out the money line and check the “Time” box on the slip. Members should keep anecdotal records of the denial of time for overtime.
Section 20.2 of our contract is clear. Officer have the option of electing either time or money for any overtime that is worked. The NATO summit does not trump our contract. This is an attempt to defer the overtime costs of this summit to the Federal Government. Apparently, the City does not have the ability to defer the costs of time to the Feds.
Labels: contract stuff, events
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
48 Comments:
I did not know this!
My thinks I'll take time just to stick it to 'em!
Plus "time" compounds nicely over your career!
Sorry to point this out, SCC...but you're wrong. When we used to work the 'jects back in the day, we were paid with Federal funds...and we always had to be paid in cash. I don't think that's changed.
The FOP is worried about this? WTF! Worry mikey my boy about the contract and the PENSIONS! This bullshit who cares!
Part of the new "Reach Around Strategy" no doubt.
What about changing your start time by more than 2 hours? You should be paid at time and a half. The contract addresses this in 20.7.
It further states in exception A)The Superintendent and the Mayor have determined in writing that a serious emergency condition exists.
How can there be an emergency when:
1) The city volunteered for this.
2) The city is being reimbursed by the Feds to pay us.
Unless the city will be reimbursed but screw us out of the money and they keep the difference.
Just like the BS insurance policy. The Feds should be covering that, not an insider who gets a fat contract that he knows will not have to be paid out.
Contract negotiations are going to be a bear.
No there not. FOP is bought and paid for. They will bargain in good faith and get all the benefits of rahmming it down our throats. Yet we do nothing about it!
Sorry SCC but all overtime for the nato clusterfudge is federally funded therefore there is no comp time option. So the flop sits quietly in the corner while we're getting sent to chicago's version of the Bataan death march with half ass training and equipment but decide to put on their big boy pants and file a grievence that they have no chance of winning..... Good job shields u political hack!
As a Lt. I must tell you that while your days off were canceled, and countless other agencies had their days of canceled, there seems to be no need to cancel the RDO's of Lt.'s. Unfortunately, when the lawsuits come in alleging a lack of supervision led to their clients's 'whatever' issue, the attorneys will point to the non-allocation available integral organic leadership as a contributing factor. Let's just hope the Captains can handle it all. And by the way, love the plan Steve!
WOW if this is true we should get EVERYBODY to request "time due" so that they can't use the federal money to pay us. That will really stick it to that half missing finger midget.
Contract? What contract??! I'm Rahm Fucking Emmanuel. I can do what I want.
What a tool.
Can FOP please make it clear what the pay is for canceled days off. The order states that it will be time and a half only. Doesn't the contract state that it is 1.5 time for for hours u are assigned normally (8:5) then 2:5 hours there after? Please advise.
When the Racoon started fucking with the pensions all bets should have been off. Don't trust this conniving bastard.
How about just letting me work my regular tour? Keep your OT, I don't want it. I have a life besides this job.
No contract violation. Federally funded programs I.E special employment, etc, are paid from special funds and are exempt from time due, must be paid in cash. Shields knows this and is just telling you THE UNION will file a grievance and fight this. He knows it's a loser !!!!!
Old Retired Guy
"Plus "time" compounds nicely over your career!"
I'll never understand this. If you take time, yes, you will be paid out at a higher rate, but keep in mind, you are only earning 2-3% a year on your money. In addition, you don't have access to it until you retire, at which time you will get killed on your taxes. A better alternative, take it all in cash, put it in a mutual fund account, earn anywhere from 7-15% (choose wisely), and have access to your money when you want it. I see these geniuses retiring with 6000 hours on the books. All you accomplish is giving the feds 30% off the top and giving the city a low interest loan.
Sorry to point this out, SCC...but you're wrong. When we used to work the 'jects back in the day, we were paid with Federal funds...and we always had to be paid in cash. I don't think that's changed.
5/17/2012 12:09:00 AM
A violation of the contract " back in the day" does not validate a violation now. They only get away with this crap because we let them.
tick tock tick tock....the EU is about to come crashing down,buckle up people!
Anonymous said...
Sorry to point this out, SCC...but you're wrong. When we used to work the 'jects back in the day, we were paid with Federal funds...and we always had to be paid in cash. I don't think that's changed.
5/17/2012 12:09:00
You had to volunteer for those initiaiatives which made it clear from the beginning that you would be paid cash. I did not volunteer to give up my contractual rights, I was forced into this loon fest 2012. It is a clear violation of the contract that has nothing to do with any emergency concocted by the city.
If this is FLSA overtime, it will be paid in cash, no other option.
Ask your timekeeper or, dare I say it, call Bill Dougherty at FOP.
Look, this little rat bastard is just full of tricks and twists and turns. He has loftier goals than just to be mayor of Chicago..Chicago is just a springboard for higher offices. Play rope-a-dope with him, don't contact him, make him contact us over the contract and pension. When he proposes anything, tell him "we'll get back to him". And let him sit and wait till his campaign for governor has to start.
Anonymous said...
Contract negotiations are going to be a bear.
No there not. FOP is bought and paid for. They will bargain in good faith and get all the benefits of rahmming it down our throats. Yet we do nothing about it!
5/17/2012 12:42:00 AM
You can bet your duty availability pay that there will be no negotiations. This contract will go straight to an arbitrator, the sooner the better.
Pray we get Arbitrator Benn. He did the last one and left open the window that we would deserve a better raise this time if economic conditions improve. They are improving and the longer this drags on, the better position we will be in.
Rahmzilla does not negotiate, he issues statements in take it or leave it format. Fuck him.
Stupid Sheilds is listening to Geiger, who has filed suits against the police in the past. Wait til the contract comes out, members will see what a goof Geiger is. Bye..Bye Mike.
Anonymous said...
Can FOP please make it clear what the pay is for canceled days off. The order states that it will be time and a half only. Doesn't the contract state that it is 1.5 time for for hours u are assigned normally (8:5) then 2:5 hours there after? Please advise.
5/17/2012 01:48:00 AM
Time and a half is all we get under most circumstances, unless it is day off cancelled on a holiday, which this is not.
Section 20.2 — Compensation For Overtime.
All approved overtime in excess of the hours required of an officer by reason of the officer’s regular duty, whether of an emergency nature or of a non-emergency nature, shall be compensated for at the rate of time-and-one-half. Such time shall be computed on the basis of completed fifteen (15)-minute segments.
An officer who earns overtime pursuant to the federal Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) shall be paid overtime compensation at the FLSA rate agreed upon by the parties. An officer who earns non-FLSA overtime shall have the option of electing pay or compensatory time consistent with the provisions of this Agreement.
Section 20.3 — Sixth and Seventh Day Work.
An officer who is in pay status for six (6) or seven (7) consecutive days within the pay period Sunday through Saturday will be compensated at the rate of time- and-one-half for work performed on the sixth (6th) day and seventh (7th) day. An officer who performs work on a regular day off which has been cancelled, will receive a minimum of eight (8) hours compensation or compensation at the rate of time-and-one-half times the actual hours worked, whichever is greater. Voluntary schedule changes will be exempt from this provision.
Anonymous said...
Can FOP please make it clear what the pay is for canceled days off. The order states that it will be time and a half only. Doesn't the contract state that it is 1.5 time for for hours u are assigned normally (8:5) then 2:5 hours there after? Please advise.
5/17/2012 01:48:00 AM
1.5X pay, time and a half, is all any of us will get. All the little contingencies, day off cancelled, start time changed etc., all time and a half. That is the max.
Here is something to worry about Flop. The fact that many of us still dont know where or what time we are working on our Rdo. But im sure all you guys know which steakhouse you will be eating at this weekend on our dime. Other than aa free book cover and a half assed carnival thats all you guys are good for. And shields you rode in here much like obama with your promises of hope and change. And just like him you are an utter failure, that will be recognized as one of the worst ever. A one termer for sure.
SCC: put this out there too.
If I work 3rd watch, start time is 1400 or 1530. During NATO, we are being told to report for regular beat car duties, but at 1030. I'm no math wiz, but that's a start time more than two (2) hours from my bid spot on the watch. That SHOULD mean time and a half for the ENTIRE TOUR as described in our contract, but I'm being told the recent order says that part of our contract doesn't apply.
I am going to grieve it if the rumor is true when I report for duty, but wanted to let everyone else know about what's happening and the most recent City's efforts.
No, not pretty much an asshole, he IS (and always will be) an asshole.
"Can FOP please make it clear what the pay is for canceled days off. The order states that it will be time and a half only. Doesn't the contract state that it is 1.5 time for for hours u are assigned normally (8:5) then 2:5 hours there after? Please advise."
It sounds like you can read. Can't you interpret what you read?
I see the Hairgel Entitlement "Police" are out in force.
"FOP please advise about OT pay". "You dont hear a peep out of FOP". Etcetera, ad naseum.
Hey all you crybaby, need your hand help constantly pu**ies - learn to do shit for yourselves. There's a thing called a contract that can be found in book form in any district or unit and it's accessible at the FOP website as well. GO READ THE FUCKING THING and you'll find the answers to your questions regarding OT pay and just about any other work related issue. I'm so glad they eliminated the FTO spot because you newer people are the biggest bunch of whiners I've seen in 24 years here and I dont think I could handle babysitting anyone else that truly isn't fit to carry a weapon and be entrusted to keep the oath we all took and wear the uniform. . .especially a CPD uniform. You folks are gonna be the reason this city gets destroyed this weekend. Your also the reason the city and department walks all over us - because you just believe everything you're told and never question or challenge anything. F'ing sheep with guns and stars.
It's probably a good thing that this department has been de-balled because the ranks nowadays are soft as puppy shit Prozac/ADHD Generation Y'ers that couldn't wipe the ass of a real Chicago cop from yesteryear.
Thanks for allowing me vent SCC. Rant over.
I have worked Special Employment for many years and never given the option to take comp time instead of money. NOW it's an issue? Asserting your rights is one thing. Agitating is another.
WHO CARES ABOUT THE SERGEANT'S CONTRACT? FUCK 'EM!
Ohhhh... Wait. Now they are violating OUR contract?
Sorry SCC but all overtime for the nato clusterfudge is federally funded therefore there is no comp time option. So the flop sits quietly in the corner while we're getting sent to chicago's version of the Bataan death march with half ass training and equipment but decide to put on their big boy pants and file a grievence that they have no chance of winning..... Good job shields u political hack!
5/17/2012 12:49:00 AM
So, the City takes the number of overtime hours worked and converts it to what you would have been paid if you elected to take cash, and then they submit that dollar amount to the Feds for reimbursement.
It's not rocket science.
Damn, never thought I would see the day that I was FORCED to take MONEY!
Traffic Man
Think Shields should worry more about our pensions than this BS Not the end of the world if you get paid for your overtime and in reality it helps the city if the feds are paying it Just sayin, not the greatest fight to pick
Dummies, NOW is the time to make the City pay for fucking us ALL around. Let it just explode in their faces when the NATO turns to chaos. QUIT taking this shit and producing for the Regime. Remember your 2 % raise. The City and the bosses are your friends now, and as soon as they make it thru NATO, it's back to them not knowing you, per our Slippery-EEL Rahmmie.
On Chicagobreakingnews.com are you kidding me mikey? Breaking should be about how you will help save the pension fund,what kind of bullshit battle is this kid??????????
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-union-files-grievance-about-overtime-pay-20120517,0,7149626.story
Cancelled RDO is paid at time and one half for the NORMAL tour of duty (8.5 hrs). Any overtime is also paid at time and one half. So, if you work your first RDO it is 1.5 for 8.5 hours. Any overtime is 1.5 in 15 minute increments. If your second RDO is cancelled (consecutive to your first RDO (BOTH DAYS CANCELLED) Day Two is paid at double time for the normal tour of duty (8.5 hrs). Overtime is then paid at time and one half (1.5) in 15 minute increments. Your overtime is ALWAYS 1.5.
And... The LT poster is correct. The City is going to pay dearly for the lack of leadership and supervision in this fiasco. The City is pissed at the Lts because the Lts refused to volunteer to waive their rights in the contract to get paid 1.5 if they are detailed out of their Area of assignment. The City said they will ensure then that the Lts will not “benefit” from any of the overtime money being doled out. So they (City) opted to use whatever Lts were in cush spots and units to try and fill the lack of leadership and supervision. Ther aren't anywhere near an adequate number of those Lts, but those Lts know if they refuse or voice a concern they will be dumped from their spot. The City is doing an end-run on the Feds and will be keeping all the money they bill the Feds for. Just like the training they told the Feds all sworn members got. Most sworn only received one day of training and half of that was watching a video. But… the Feds were (or will be) billed for days and days of man-hours and intensive training. Ahhh, politics- Greed above all others, power (self-matter) a close second.
Per FOP when RDO iis cancelled it's min. 8 hrs or time and a half for all hrs worked whichever is greater. No dbl or 2.5. unfortunately
None of this would be an issue if it weren't for Don O'Neil...
All he had to do is ask and everyone would have capitulated...s an act of good faith. Instead, he once again says, fuck them let them grieve it...
Same with the start times. We all have to put in 2 slips for changes in start times of more than 2 hours, along with the extension of tours...
so can we take time for over time? did they recind that yet? update please
lets see what happens when everyone gets paid by money then OUR union will say that they didnt havve enough time. paid on 22 jun
How about a safety grievance due to the lack of radios available to our officers. Anyone hear of the titanic with not enough row boats? how many times will officers be put in harm's way and their partner will have to call for help using their personal cellphone?
Jects? Jets!
If we had sufficient manpower this week would not be an issue. When coppers start getting hurt, I want to see the powers that be,explain why we are 3,000 men short and where the budgeted dollars went.
FOP, you listening. You are done. You worried about you're security contracts. You Shields are a liar. We are done with you. Vote of no confidence for FOP.
I really don't know but to the guys comparing this to special employment the big difference is that is voluntary this is not we should be able to take time. I ve said this many times in the past stop working special and you wil really fuck the mayor
F.O.P. who cares how we get paid!! money /time so long we get paid!!!! how bout making a BIG STINK on our CONTRACT stop wasting our money and time and perform....PUT on some TESTICALS and fight for US, thats why we voted your asses in office for!!!
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