Section 20.3 Grievance
It must be nice to just make an out-and-out declaration that portions of the Contract will be suspended during planned events without any explanation whatsoever. These are official legal documents and agreements that pretty much have the power of law, yet Tiny Dancer 9.5 can just piss all over them whenever the mood strikes him:
The Fraternal Order of Police has not been shy about suggesting that Chicago Police officers should be compensated during upcoming contract talks for their performance during the NATO Summit.
But now the union is being forced to play defense to ensure its members get their due under the existing collective bargaining agreement.
The FOP has filed its fourth grievance tied to the summit, this one stemming from the city’s apparent decision not to give officers time-and-a-half overtime for working a sixth or seventh consecutive day in a week.
And of course, the other controversy rears its ugly head once again:
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Oh wait, that part of the article has mysteriously disappeared without attribution regarding the "missed deadlines" and once again, quoting an unnamed administration source as "sticking it in the ear" of rank-and-file police officers along with only negotiating what has been described as affecting financial aspects of the Contract.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
65 Comments:
The conniving bastards in charge at City Hall will not back down even for a lawful contract. They feel they can do whatever they want. And why shouldn't they. Our 50 Alderwhores give them whatever they want. Gonna be a very tough contract time.
Ahhh... good to be back to normal !
About that bit about having to take overtime in MONEY NOT TIME.
The way one boss put it, that is something that should have been foreseen by both sides during negotiations. But the results would probably be the same.
If the Feds are paying for all this, BLUE COMP TIME SLIPS there is only a short window where then can pay this off and be done with it. They can't wait until the end of your career for you to cash out your time.
But, they could do this, wait until the end of the year, (when all the Christmas bills are coming in) and let anyone that really wants to make out a check to rahm to buy those hours back. How many people do you think will want to do that?
Stay Safe, enjoy the money.
Welcome to Rahmburg...where Rahm makes his own rules, contract or not.
Guess the lovefest is over.
Occupy Chicago views this as unacceptable.
I would like to commend the bicycle police for a job well done.
I was at protest 3 months ago where there 400 protesters that were led by led 2 bicycle cops and 2 squad cars. I was amazed, How can so few people make a difference?
Don't you see the pattern.
My seniority rights have never been respected by my so called union. Some have more rights than others, namely those blessed with special DNA......and that Y chromosome.
I'd love to see the look on some of the misfit union representatives faces if they came to work one day and found out they were only going to get half of what the prevailing pay rate. If the city violates one provision of the contract, then what's to stop them from violating others?
I'll be thinking of them when I vote for Mittens this fall.
Fair is fair. The fop should start ignoring other parts of the contract then. 30 min lunch? Not any more. Enjoy your hour off unpaid lunch, take it anywhere in the city, it's on your time. Same with personals. Take a half hour shit and read the stall door for entertainment.
Down every car for for every minor safety problem. Grieve every contract issue. Bring the department to a grinding halt.
What!?!?! Would 9-Point-5 really do this?
After "personally [shaking] the hand of four or five hundred officers" at the end of NATO to show his appreciation for all the hard work by the men and women in blue?
NEWSFLASH!! 9.5 doesn't give a fuck about 20.3
Didn't you goofs figure it out when you were summoned down to the end of the strip, one group at a time? That was a pre-planned and coordinated photo-op by the mayor's handlers and your gold star Bosshole 'heros' (McDrinkypoo included). This was the creation of yet another illusion, the invisible part of which was US, the thin blue line.
Did you REALLY think that Rahm and those in charge of running this dog & pony show were being genuine in their concerted display of appreciation? Fuck no, they weren't. Your spineless 'leaders' were 'playing the game'. Along for the ride because they lack the fortitude to go against the grain for fear of retaliation.
Kind of like all you chumps that shook Rahm's hand at St. Jude - afraid to decline his extended hand for fear he would actually do something personal to you for shunning him. And then to later praise him for showing up "because he cares". Does "I have to give the Mayor a lot of credit. He shook hands with Officers and thanked them for their service. Daley never attended a St. Jude's march to honor our fallen." sound familiar? It should. It's from SCC's thread titled "St. Jude's" from 07 May.
Got news for ya. That was another psychological munition lobbed by Rahm in the war against city unions. The CTU's ass-raping should've been an eye opener to the Tiny Dancer's true agenda.
Well, he IS gonna try to do something personal to you. Real personal. He's going to continue to exert his considerable influence to take money out of your pocket, food off your table and diminish your childrens' very future in his quest for pension "reform".
Think about this the next time he wants to shake your hand..
OFF TOPIC:
Sticking it in their ear, Part Infinity:
Due to CompStat, Commanders are not allowing Police Officers to use their allotted VACATION days to extend their furloughs. Oh, you can take them, just not to extend YOUR furlough. You can only take them during SOMEONE ELSES FURLOUGH, so that neither of you can actually take any extended time to relax and recharge for the next year.
They or their surrogates will wave the order in your face and tell you, "See, we CAN do this to you! So there!"
After all their time and experience as police officers, Superintendent McCarthy and his fearful followers have still not learned the difference between CAN and SHOULD.
Just because you CAN screw over a police officer and his/her family, does not mean that you SHOULD. We are supposed to know right from wrong. And I know, I know, I know that things are unfair, the department is not fair, life is not fair, etc., etc., etc. I've been on the job a few years too. But that does not mean that we have to CHOOSE TO MAKE IT MORE UNFAIR. It does not mean we have to CHOOSE TO SCREW OVER OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES by denying them time with their fathers, mothers, sons and daughters.
When you screw with officers furloughs, you screw with their families. When you screw with officers families, you have found the one most efficient way to destroy morale within this department.
We work the long hours during NATO, put up with all the bullshit, and soldier on professionally so that we may have a life outside this job. (We work to live, not live to work.)
Otherwise kind and decent people are being intentionally cruel to subordinates because of their fear of CompStat. It breaks my heart that they cannot see the harm it will do the department in the long term. I am so very disappointed in them, words fail to describe it.
P.S. Yes, I post this anonymously here. Only to keep my name from becoming public and to keep from dealing with the news media. Don't worry, everyone in my district, and the department in general, will figure out who I am. And In/Appropriate sanctions/punishment will be imposed upon me soon. And once again it will show if our department knows right from wrong.
This goddamned Mayor is putting us into the position of having to fight simply for the provisions of our current contract to be observed! All officers pay careful attention to what he is doing, he is going to make us grateful to have a contract at all. Get ready for the toughest contact negotiations in any of our careers. We must stand united on this one.
The ballerina is one tough bastard, this will not come easy. Guide yourselves accordingly.
Also, while he is playing poor mouth with us, he is spending a quarter Billion $$ ($250 million) to build a new Malcolm X College while nothing is wrong with the existing college. He is also handing out millions of tax $$ to already wealthy real estate developers to improve some of the hottest real estate in the City. Read Ben Joravsky on that one.
This guy is a bastard. Remember that all you 019th District 2nd watch officers who trip over each other to get the job sitting in front of or in back of his house.
And don't give me the shit that you are "only following a radio assignment." Don't be kissing the ass of the man who is fucking us all.
a contract is only good between men whos word is solid. this is not a good sign for future agreements. why bargain with a man who goes back on his word, after agreeing to a contract. the nurses found out the hard way, how deceitful the man can be.
Be prepared for a long fight folks.
This is from Local 2's website:
The Fight Is On!!!!!
May 25th, 2012
Brothers and Sisters,
City representatives met with Local 2’s Executive Board yesterday and presented their proposals for our next collective bargaining agreement. City negotiators did not address any of our proposals nor did they present us with any proposals on how to fix our pension system.
We obviously refused to agree to any of these horrendous proposals, and if what you are about to read makes you angry, it should. This looks to be a long and bitter battle.
Below is a synopsis of some of the City proposals:
· Eliminate Duty Availability Pay
· Only those designated as the EMT B/EMT P would be compensated as such for that shift (All would have to maintain their EMT license for their entire career)
· Eliminate 7% for Cross-Trained FFPMs
· Eliminate furlough buy-out provision completely
· Holiday Pay would be paid to only those who work the actual day.
· Non-duty lay-up coverage from 12 months in a 24 month period to 12 months in a 48 month period
· Days off for Bereavement Leave would be restricted and must include the day of the funeral
· Tuition reimbursement would be for EMT B/EMT P training only
· Candidate Probationary period from 9 months to 18 months for new employees
· Acting down to no longer be considered a variance
· All double houses (Engines and Trucks) would be manned with 9 instead of 10
· All BLS ambulances would be converted to ALS
· Only 1 vacancy order per year in June
· Eliminate Clothing Allowance
· Allow indoor training during inclement weather
· Eliminate Tech A and Diver Pay except for those working in that capacity on a given shift
· Eliminate all Cross-Trained Pay-Grade designations
· Reclassification of Ambulance Commander to F4 Pay Grade
· Eliminate Physical Fitness Incentive Program
We will, of course, continue to vigorously fight these insulting, ridiculous proposals. There likely will come a time when all Local 2 Members will need to join in voicing our disgust over these outrageous attacks on the wages, benefits and conditions we have fought for and earned throughout the years. The City is testing our resolve. The battle has begun! Everyone must take an active role in our future.
We will continue to update you when the situation warrants.
Fraternally,
Tom Ryan
President
Oh well I guess all the great talk about the CPD is now officialy done. But pay us for making you look good.
6 days....more like 10 days in a row!! Its ok I'll see the money in 2 years. Maybe?
Rahm was an asshole when he was a congressman and hasn't changed one bit.
The "photo op" on Monday at 100 E. Randolph was exactly that, publicity. That sad part was how many coppers were awe struck and tripping over themselves to shake hands and take pictures. In many cases it was pretty pathetic.
Westside Inside ___________
You are the editor of the FOP newsletter. Promote your propaganda there. How about:
Westside Inside Do Nothing and STFU About It!
MORON!!!
And this sixth day grievance, how does that work? You get straight time for your day off cancelled and and then overtime for your sixth day. What a waste of energy, time and resources. Like the Hire More Police signs.
I am tired of paying for your schooling, read your history, Pick your battles. Can't believe I'm writing this: Where's Pleines?
Well we should strike if they don't hold up their end. If the contract doesn't apply to them it shouldn't apply to us!
So how come the FOP ousted Dan Herbert now just like Needham? Something is up over at the hall and we should be made aware of whaT EXACTLY THAT IS???
Do you think City Council or The Mayor would ever breach, alter, manipulate or amend the Contract for the Parking Meter Lease ?
Let the citizens decide.
You blame this on the Mayor and I don't know the extent of responsibility but the person who should to escape blame is Commander Don Oneill. He is the person who should be removed from this job since his job is not to break the contract whenever he wants to but to interpret the contract. He uses the "I can't break the contract" excuse when he makes up invalid reasons to take care of his pet employees but has no problem going against the contract for his own megalomaniacal reasons. Commander O'Neill your tactics will soon be exposed. It is inevitable. You are not omnipotent and you will see that soon.
Is anyone on this board ever happy? Wake up no one cares about your bullshit 6 day work week. Between work, nato and special employment I worked 12 straight days and I will be compensated for the days I worked. Quit bitching, make some good friends, answer your calls and stay safe is all you have to do on this job. Life is to short to worry about this about the little things. You guys voted for shields and company for a reason either you were young and stupid or you thought he could make the changes you wanted. He was not who my choice for FOP president but lets see what he is going to do after all what other choice do we have.
It's Memorial Day weekend go out and thank a vet, have a beer and relax.
G-d bless the CPD
This is a sign of things to come. Expect more shenanigans during contract time!
The teachers got out and are standing tall agaiinst RAHM. They could bring out a majority to start the good fight, but how many can we bring out? A couple thousand??? We have guns, badges and talk a lot of cap, but we can't even get together and unite for the ass raping rahm wants to do on us. IF WE ALL STAND AND FIGHT, RAHM WILL BOW DOWN TO US, ALL OF US. LITTLE BY LITTLE THEY ARE TAKING AWAY. LET'S GET IT TOGETHER AND QUIT BITCHING LIKE OLD LADIES.
Oh, now the contact is unambiguous, Mr Shields? It was pretty unambiguous too that you were supposed to send a letter in February that our contract was expiring.
And negotiation talks have started with Cfd? But not with Cpd "in earnest"? What gives?
Down every car for for every minor safety problem. Grieve every contract issue. Bring the department to a grinding halt.
Are you crazy?!?!?! If every car is down, how do you expect me to make my 3 bag dope pinch so I can continue to wear jeans and a cap to work? I'll no longer be told Im elite if the bosses are mad at me for filing grievances to stand up for myself like real men do. Really....I don't mind being a sheep in the flock because the bosses have my back on the important stuff, like early ducks.
Oy vey! The trials and tribulations of being a hair gel!!!
You want some muscle as a bloc, a say in what happens? REGISTER TO VOTE and then get your ass to the polling places or shut the fuck up.
Complain all you want, but the 'people who get' are the ones who pack the buses, hold the marches, man the picket lines, or get their stoopid, lazy lying faces in front of the cameras. You know it's true!
Normal folks, who pay for it all make no effort where it really matters (the polling place) and as a result get nothing in return for their taxes. Period.
Politics is the delivery of money and services---Sargent Shriver.
Do you think politicians deliver to the unregistered, non-voting masses?
WAKE UP AND GET OFF YOUR ASSES.
9.5 want all ot to be paid in cash
next contract big changes are coming
All the Police,(and I mean the POLICE,not the pansy suck holes), have to do is use the General Orders to their advantage.
Believe me,(30+ yrs. here), nothing will get done the way management wants it to.
You can't be forced to work 99 on 1st and 3rd watches. File EVERY report you deem necessary. Fuck this "just code it out" bullshit. Help every citizen you can. Use Foot patrol, premise checks, etc.
Plenty of TVB's out there. Especially the junker trucks with prisoner's property that you are required to inventory. Get the picture?
No one can stop you from doing your job.
Grievance, move it to a class action lawsuit! Grievance my ass!
West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...
“What!?!?! Would 9-Point-5 really do this?”
5/26/2012 02:38:00 AM
Very well stated, West Side!
Our team worked 10 days in a row, but since we were sat sun canceled we don't qualify. Sounds like BS to me.
Well put Westside.
Signed,
Southise-outside-do-nothing
"Well, he IS gonna try to do something personal to you. Real personal. He's going to continue to exert his considerable influence to take money out of your pocket, food off your table and diminish your childrens' very future in his quest for pension "reform".
Think about this the next time he wants to shake your hand..
5/26/2012 02:38:00 AM"
Fair enough. Rahm trying the keep your friends close,& your enemies closer approach. I for one was caught off guard& did shake his hand. From now on, its bite the hand that feeds you shit.
What do we need comp time for? It's not like you can get a day off anyway.
Could anyone even guesstimate what it cost the Federal, State, and local government for this 4 day Clusterfuck. Surely in the hundreds of $millions. What a sad fucking waste of tax dollars!
well then, maybe we should just IGNORE the contract and STRIKE!!!whats good for the goose is good for the gander. the teachers got it right, they know not only how to spell strike, but they can use it in a sentence outside on the streets in front of the schools. and what cop didn't know a favorite teacher in school. yep, wouldn't that be something, BOTH the cops and teachers on strike.
Rahm only wants the law or a contract enforced when it benefits him. This guy is an evil, arrogant psychopath. The likes of which this city hasn't seen before in an elected official.
Rahm's m.o. is crystal clear. If he doesn't like the way something like a contract or law is written he just runs roughshod over it and forces the other side to grieve, sue etc. He doesn't care if he loses in the long run he just wants to aggravate the shit out of the other side.
There's a special place in Hell for assholes like him.
Hes gonna say thanks and didnt you all get 2 free sox tickets?? Nuff said.. Now get back to work.
Grievance is not a fail safe to fortune.
Duty Availability, that token of a benefit, well it may be the argument.
We'll get paid.
Watch out for the New Improved 2012 Contract though, benefits are probably going to be reduced.
That's where the City is looking, not the 6th day OT issue for a few hundred po's.
And then there's that pesky pension problem.
I was at protest 3 months ago where there 400 protesters that were led by led 2 bicycle cops and 2 squad cars. I was amazed, How can so few people make a difference?
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Because most people, including most of the protesters, are basically not violent people.
It's the same reason you can have 80,000 people at a Bears game and have very few incidents of violence.
If I was the city I would prefer to pay it off with someone else's money as well. They may not be able to collect if they can't show they paid out anything extra. Comp time does not incur an additional expense for the city.
The reasons the city Constantly violates the contract is because it don't cost them anything, there are no penalties. So the risk of the violation does not outweigh the potential benefit
What needs to be added in the contact is: when a grievance is won by a officer/union, the city must pay a fine and billable hours/fees and legal fees to the FOP.
I guarantee the city would think twice about the blatant violations.
I am glad I left some years ago. But if I was still there I would screw with them as much as possible. Down every car you can. Stay on jobs as long as you can. Do ONLY we you need to do.
Hell if this union had balls they would walk out. Maybe "blue flu" their asses. With the way that they are fucking with everyone here and on the cfd you will all need to stick together and show who has the power.
Ok, I worked 10 days straight for what? Four regular days, 2 days cancelled, then four more? For what?
I got tremendous joy from the form letter sent by 9.5 to police and fire. What's the worst that could happen to me, if I ever got close enough to him at some event, and I said, "Fuck You"?
Anonymous said...
The teachers got out and are standing tall agaiinst RAHM. They could bring out a majority to start the good fight, but how many can we bring out? A couple thousand??? We have guns, badges and talk a lot of cap, but we can't even get together and unite for the ass raping rahm wants to do on us. IF WE ALL STAND AND FIGHT, RAHM WILL BOW DOWN TO US, ALL OF US. LITTLE BY LITTLE THEY ARE TAKING AWAY. LET'S GET IT TOGETHER AND QUIT BITCHING LIKE OLD LADIES.
5/26/2012 09:49:00 AM
At least the teachers had the balls to organize and protest in public. We are next to negiotate and Rahm has nothing to fear with CPD. We do not vote and would never protest in public. We should take a lesson from the teacher's union.
The reasons the city Constantly violates the contract is because it don't cost them anything, there are no penalties. So the risk of the violation does not outweigh the potential benefit
What needs to be added in the contact is: when a grievance is won by a officer/union, the city must pay a fine and billable hours/fees and legal fees to the FOP.
I guarantee the city would think twice about the blatant violations.
5/26/2012 03:31:00 PM
SO true.
You can't be forced to work 99 on 1st and 3rd watches. File EVERY report you deem necessary. Fuck this "just code it out" bullshit. Help every citizen you can. Use Foot patrol, premise checks, etc.
Plenty of TVB's out there. Especially the junker trucks with prisoner's property that you are required to inventory. Get the picture?
No one can stop you from doing your job.
5/26/2012 10:48:00 AM
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Your first sentence is incorrect. There is nothing that guarantees a 10-4 car on those watches.
Anonymous said...
Westside Inside ___________
You are the editor of the FOP newsletter. Promote your propaganda there. How about:
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Wrong person. In fact your "Inside" guy doesn't actually work "inside". I have no dog in this fight, but that post was accurate as they come. I was one who proudly refused to shake the bastards hand as it indeed was a staged event.
I was at protest 3 months ago where there 400 protesters that were led by led 2 bicycle cops and 2 squad cars. I was amazed, How can so few people make a difference?
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Because most people, including most of the protesters, are basically not violent people.
It's the same reason you can have 80,000 people at a Bears game and have very few incidents of violence.
5/26/2012 03:21:00 PM
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What about 5-10k or more at a rap concert?
Our team worked 10 days in a row, but since we were sat sun canceled we don't qualify. Sounds like BS to me.
5/26/2012 11:15:00 AM
If you are in DOG4, sat/sun or sun/mon you do qualify. If not those groups sorry to say you are out. However, you will get some flsa overtime
Anonymous said...
The reasons the city Constantly violates the contract is because it don't cost them anything, there are no penalties. So the risk of the violation does not outweigh the potential benefit
What needs to be added in the contact is: when a grievance is won by a officer/union, the city must pay a fine and billable hours/fees and legal fees to the FOP.
I guarantee the city would think twice about the blatant violations.
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Loser pay the Grievance fees. Maybe you should go to some meetings and listen
Anonymous said...
well then, maybe we should just IGNORE the contract and STRIKE!!!whats good for the goose is good for the gander. the teachers got it right, they know not only how to spell strike, but they can use it in a sentence outside on the streets in front of the schools. and what cop didn't know a favorite teacher in school. yep, wouldn't that be something, BOTH the cops and teachers on strike.
5/26/2012 01:03:00 PM
EXCELLENT!!! Since we can't legally strike, then we can illegally strike, forcing the city the cost/time to file/have a judge issue an injunction to cease. Then comes the cost associated with blue flu/ then work slowdown!!! There is more than one way to skin a racoon!!!!
So how come the FOP ousted Dan Herbert now just like Needham? Something is up over at the hall and we should be made aware of whaT EXACTLY THAT IS???
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Lil' Mikey seems to have problems getting along with a lot of lawyers.
Anonymous said... Well we should strike if they don't hold up their end. If the contract doesn't apply to them it shouldn't apply to us!
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We should strike. 2 can play at this game.
And this sixth day grievance, how does that work? You get straight time for your day off cancelled and and then overtime for your sixth day. What a waste of energy, time and resources. Like the Hire More Police signs.
Maybe read your contract instead of asking horribly worded questions btwn throwing insults at a person that is clearly smarter then you and makes very valid points. as seen from other people posts they know what time it is, you seem to be the only usual naysayer who has a gripe with him/her. btw try to stick to one thought in you're little rants , you dont make much sense dumdum
>>>Anonymous said...
I got tremendous joy from the form letter sent by 9.5 to police and fire. What's the worst that could happen to me, if I ever got close enough to him at some event, and I said, "Fuck You"?
5/26/2012 04:52:00 PM<<<
Don't say that... not specific enough.
What I will say is, "Remember what happened to Dan Rostenkowski after he fucked with our Social
Security."
Speaking of which, somebody, a lot of people know things about Rahm, Daley, Aldermen and Chicago Parking Meters that could put all of them in jail.
We need to find these people and they need to come forward, get whistle blower protection and get these rat bastards.
I agree with 03:31 PM Part of the problem is that it costs the City nothing to blatantly disregard things
Just like there are now some provisions such as details out of seniority or change of schedule which outline penalties for willful violations, so should this issue be addressed
Rham used to brag that his uncle was a PO I knew his uncle and he was a great guy ( ret Sgt)
If you read this from your retirement locale, Your nephew is a jag bag.
We do not vote and would never protest in public. We should take a lesson from the teacher's union.
5/26/2012 06:38:00 PM
"We" do vote and "we" did protest last time our contract was up.
So how come the FOP ousted Dan Herbert now just like Needham? Something is up over at the hall and we should be made aware of whaT EXACTLY THAT IS???
Dan Herbert might be having a breakdown. He's not all there.
Anonymous said...
I was at protest ..
5/26/2012 03:21:00 PM
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What about 5-10k or more at a rap concert?
5/26/2012 07:32:00 PM
"Because most ...are basically not violent people"
We do not vote and would never protest in public. We should take a lesson from the teacher's union.
5/26/2012 06:38:00 PM
Maybe YOU don't vote, but I have never missed voting in an election since I turned 21 (yes, 21). And, every p.o. I know votes, every time.
As for marching, name the date and time. I'm there.
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