Lappe Wins
Congratulations to Mike Lappe for winning the Pension Board spot.
This, however, is shameful:
- Lappe 1300... 46.51%
Flisk 540... 19.32%
Koszola 432... 15.46%
McCall 177... 6.33%
Merck 176... 6.30%
Campbell 102... 3.65%
Jans 68... 2.43%
- 11,200 ballots sent out
2,795 returned
That is under 25% rate of return. 24.9% to be exact. With a pre-addressed envelope included. Are you fucking kidding us?
Labels: elections
posted by SCC at 12:37 AM
198 Comments:
Like I said....We dont stick together! But will bitch and moan in a heart beat.
ballot said had to be in the post office by 25th. think they counted them to early.
I did not get a ballot. Lappe would have got my vote.
Keith Lutz (retired 15 June 2012)
Where did they send these ballots because I never got one.
That's why its so easy to Fuck with us, bc we don't stand together
And yea I did send mine in. I hope we get more people to vote against the 49 pension change bc otherwise we fucked ourselves like always and then blame everyone else.
I was at the pension board this week and have to tell you that the office staff there were in shock at the low amount of return votes.
Our own rank and file do not understand that the money to send out those ballots comes from our own pension funds.
We love to piss money away.
I ran for that spot twice and was al set to run in 2006, but decided to retire instead. Its pitiful that Officers are so apathetic about something so important
All young bucks who didn't vote I bet!
25% is extremely low. There is a very large number of officers that received their ballots the day they were due. If the ballots were sent out in a timely matter they would have had more people voting.
It never showed up at my residence. I get my FOP news letter two weeks into the month though. But no ballot. What gives?
Its sad to say but coppers would rather post on here and bitch than do anything. Voting didn't even require you leaving your house. So figure on the turnout on election day for cops to be below 10%. To bad scc can't make it a condition that you have to vote to be able to post. Really pathetic
That's interesting... I never got mine in the mail. I never ever miss a chance to vote either.
I never received my ballot. I've lived at the same address for seven years. I receive my annual Pension statement at this address. I receive my ethics board statement at this address. I receive me annual benefits enrollment information at this address. I receive my F.O.P. bulletin at this address. I receive my traffic camera tickets at this address. Yet, no Pension Board ballot. Hmmm...
haha i voted...sadly that will be the same turnout for POTUS...Its over boys...stockpile ur amunition,and water cuz were doomed!!!!!!
You know what?? I totally misread the ballot when it came last week. My fault. I saw the Dec. 1st date and thought that it was due then. You're right though, SCC...25% is a bad voting rate.
That's about the same percentage for the FOP General elections. Coppers can piss bitch & moan, but are too fucking lazy to mail in a ballot.Amazing...
Besides the ballots being sent out, I didn't hear anything about this. What were they striving to achieve? What were their goals? What did they promise? Not a peep was heard. Hmmm let me just vie for whoever FOP endorses
Like I've said before. We deserve EVERYTHING negative that happens to us! We can't get two guys to agree on lunch!
Nothing but a bunch of fkn spoiled ELITISTS that mommy and daddy coddled while hiding behind keyboards and DORKphones!
They have no problem hiding on here talking the bad guy shit. But they're either too lazy or stupid to take TWO minutes to vote on something that will affect every one on this job or forture coppers for years to come!
I'm gone soon and will NEVER look back at what a PATHETIC department this has turned into. Good luck "hair gels". I hope you have to work THREE jobs 24/7 to support your kids college education and (UNDERWATER!)city houses you broke your piggy bank bank on! LMAO!
We are two cops who did not receive a ballot in the mail. Sorry we were too busy at work to realize the election was here so soon, otherwise we would have went there in person.
Anyone else not get a ballot via mail?
I know I didn't return a ballot.
I know a few of these officers. that said, I have no idea what their qualifications are....
this was nothing more then a popularity contest.
times are tough. i bet a few coppers used those stamps for other letters.
Maybe if got my ballot in the mail on time I would have voted.
"11,200 ballots sent out
2,795 returned That is under 25% rate of return. 24.9% to be exact. With a pre-addressed envelope included. Are you fucking kidding us?"
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No, SCC. Nobody's kidding ya.
Unfortunately, what you're seeing is a direct reflection of what populates this job (not to mention society as a whole) currently. People who "can't be bothered" to vote in election which directly effects their future financial livelihood.
The same segment of pathetic assholes that can't and won't be bothered to vote a week from this coming Tuesday in what'll probably be the most important election in their lifetime. Never-you-mind that 'early voting' thingamajig... the Generation Y'ers have more pressing issues and obligations which to attend.
For confirmation of this disgusting phenomenon, look no further than the disparity in the volume of posts you'll receive for this thread versus anything of a scandalous or defaming nature. The hijinks of Abbate, Trahanas, Rick Flair, DTEB, et al will draw more attention than an officer shot in the line of duty winning a Pension Trustee position ever will.
Stories about a disgruntled FOP secretary, unfounded rumors over merit promotion nominees and the win-loss record of local sports teams will eclipse any conversation about how the politicians are trying to fuck us via CA49.
The dumbing-down and coddling of the most recent of generations has begun to reap what was sewn. Young adults that can't think for themselves and are easily persuaded and convinced of half truths and quasi facts. Apathetic drones floating through life, unwilling to educate themselves or take corrective action to slow the erosion of their very wellbeing and existence.
I believe this is why the word "Sheeple" was created.
Anyway... Congratulations to Officer Lappe, a man that defines the word "perseverance". Make us proud, Mike.
So maybe we are to interpret that as 75% of the people feel that they will not be around long enough to receive a pension. Waiting for the economy to turn to get out?
putting the stats up now r useless!
No post earlier regarding the election and its shameful???
Even if ur retired u will still get hit with this vote.
Lets worry about homicides that is what effects what college your kids go to.
I forgot every one cares about chief keef. a little late!!!
Its about the kids.
"That is under 25% rate of return. 24.9% to be exact. With a pre-addressed envelope included. Are you fucking kidding us?"
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That is about right, follows historical numbers for voting percentages. I predicted, on this blog, under 30% return rate for ballots and that proved to be accurate.
It is also under 30% for FOP Elections, in spite of the many posts you hear of dump whoever and fuck the fop. Most coppers (over 70%) just cannot be bothered to vote for something important to their future.
The most any can be bothered to do is to complain loudly in the locker room and roll call room or, in extreme cases of activism, to sit down on their computers after a having a few and typing out some drivel and leaving a post about how concerned they are about this or that.
Anyone recall seeing anti-Obama posts on this blog? Uh huh, well get this, over 70% of you will NOT bother to vote in the election less than two weeks away.
Chicago cops just do not vote in regular elections or for elective office within their own circle of employment.
So whatever impassioned pleas you might hear from some police can be safely ignored. The overwhelming majority are full of shit and cannot be bothered to vote in any significant number.
Soccer moms vote in larger numbers. Cops are too busy drinking or working side jobs to even return a pre-addressed pre-stamped ballot envelope.
As a group, we are full of shit.
Cops are plain and simple their own worst enemies. The problem with cops is they all live in the present, they never plan ahead of time unless it means taking time to go out and get drunk. Every single pension ballot mailed out should have been executed and sent back in. People wake up or we are all going to get it shoved right up our a><'s. Each and every one of us should be voting it is about protecting our futures. Please stop living in the now and plan and protect yourselves for the future.
Didn't receive my ballot til three days ago
The rest of you that didn't vote, should just turn your pensions over to the ones that did. WTF is wrong with you people no wonder the department walks all over PO's with time due and other nonsense. A bunch of mother f'ing sheep!
Ahh the apathy. Those will probably be the same numbers come election day. Stay at the bar all day drinking and watching sportcenter, thats exactly what rham and madigan want you to do.
I voted.
its the same on the fireside,what a bunch of nitwits we are!
In a perfect world, all voters research the candidates and select the best in their opinion. However, if someone is uninformed about the candidates, I'd rather not have them voting.
This is exactly the reason that the politicians are not afraid of the Police when it comes to election time. We simply do not vote, no matter the seriousness the outcome.
Believe it or not we can be a voting bloc if we pull together.
If we could only figure out where to have lunch...........
Congradulations Mike! You deserve it!! Mike, I haven't know you very long but for the short time that I have I'm honored to say I do! Best of luck and give em Hell!
Frank Says...
Shame on all you ignorant assholes who are constantly bitching and moaning about what this job has become... you have no one to blame but yourselves. Our department and Elected leaders know we will never give enough of a shit to take a unified stance on anything related to our profession, so just keep bending us over and giving it to us, because all we will do is complain but keep right on being the sheep that we are. All of you that bitch that Mickey is a sellout, good for you if you are one of the non-voters, even he has figured out that all he needs is the support of a 10th of the membership, no need to please the majority of the members on decisions, they are nothing but indentured servants. If you want to know what ills the Chicago Police Department, don't look to 35th street or City Hall, just look right in the mirror.
That is under 25% rate of return. 24.9% to be exact. With a pre-addressed envelope included. Are you fucking kidding us?
That's why police officers get shit on by the politicians. No two ways about it. No vote. No muscle. That is all.
Congratulations, Mike. I know you'll do a great job!!
Congrats Mike ! Good luck in fighting for what we deserve. You're gonna need it.
I/F KMA
Every bitches and complains about how things are going yet fail to vote.
EVERYONE except those 2795 needs to STFU!
And that is the exact reason we won't get diddly in a new contract!
The Mayor knows that the membership does not stick together and he will have his way with us!
So what did you expect? Most cops don't bother with their union stuff. I just hope you guys are happy with Obama winning the election too.
Don't vote, don't bitch
How is Lappe qualified? His qualifications has an officer are outstanding. However that does not reflect in his skills to hold this office. I voted but not for Lappe- he is a nice guy, fine officer but the wrong person. I have no ties and don't even know the others who ran, however, one of the candidates has a CPA and has experience in similar areas. Would you hire a plumber to fix your computer? This was not a popularity contest- it was our future.
Signed,
Disappointed
SCC - your comment about how this is un-f'n believeable is plain horsecocky! In much the same way that I never sign before reading, I don't vote for people I don't know and I think that most coppers agree when it comes to these elections. I was only able to find info about 2 of the candidates floating around and I searched 2 stations. Lappe's flyers were everywhere but the others were non-existent. I could ask 50 coppers and get 50 different, subjective opinions. But that doesn't help me in determining qualifications. I didn't see one candidate show up to 1st watch roll call, which tells me our votes aren't important enough for them to stay up after the street lights go on.
It would help increase voter turnout if there were a central location, like a "candidates" page or link from the fop web site where we could read/learn a bit about the candidates. Instead we have to look for fliers scattered around the stations trying to piece together info about each person from another po who may or may not be relaying factual info. It is like voting for a judge in crook county, at least you can look those guys up on Google.
I never received my ballot!!!!!!
What's even more amazing is that Kozola got 400+ votes. The guy is really a loose cannon.
what the hell- by the time I got that damn ballot it was already due- they need to get the ballots out sooner!
never got one
Every political group sees that. I do not agree with it, but that is why FOP endorses the most likely winner, even when there's a police officer candidate. Our union is irrelevant to politicians - we do not vote - so we join the most likely winner to say a tad relevant.
A little off topic, SCC, but the word is that the SGTS. have agreed to give up the uniform allowance, and go to a commissary system, like the CFD, They agreed to this in order to keep their 45 minutes per day overtime, which the city threatened to take away. So, like the wellness program, the SGTS have once again, thrown us under the bus.
I only heard from one candidate and his platform was that the pension is dead. Isn't uninformed voting what got our city in this position to begin with?
How about having all those on IOD, the medical or any other light duty statis do reports at callback. All jobs which there's no offender on scene should be handled that way.
10/25/2012 12:22:00 PM
The first order of business for new elected Pension Board Trustee Lappe is getting the slacking scammers off disabilty pension and put them at call back. If Lappe is capable of working for over 24 years, in pain, so could the bad actors. Otherwise, whoever voted for Lappe were all HOODWINKED~~~~~
no idea who any of these people are or what they would do. not blindly voting
Don't cry when you don't get a pension
About the same amount registered to vote. Shameful.
Jan's,,,I guess your plan of conversion to physical gold of our assets didn't fly.
I'm sure I will be called all kind of things for this post, but I am one of the guys who did not vote. I also won't vote for f.o.p. election cause it does not matter. Madigan all the way down to the alderman are gonna stick it in your ass. When itook this job approximately 20 yrs ago I had a plan to invest in many different ways. I did not live outside my means I didn't get divorced. I did my job I can count on my hand the amount of times ive been on the medical. My point is instead of always worrying about what the f.o.p. and the pension board our gonna do for you, do it for yourself. Don't get me wrong the politicians are pieces of shit for using our money to do as they please, but if you live in Illinois and took a city job it's part of the game, and there is nothing Lappe, Shields or anybody else can do about it. The same guys that are gonna post saying I'm a idiot will be the guys that will sign any contract when the city waves a retro check in front of them, not realizing they are getting fucked.
Funny thing about that miserable 25% return is I and several people I know are still waiting to receive their ballots in the mail. I guess in typical chicago fashion we already voted?....
Congratulations, Mike! Let Tiny Dancer know what it feels like to deal with the real police.
As to the 11,200 ballots sent out and only 2,795 returned being returned - unF*&^ing believable!
What is even more incredulous is that this number is most likely indicative of police turn out during the primary and general elections. This would help to explain why the city dumps all over us. All you coppers who didn't / don't vote shouldn't bitch and complain when the powers that be dump on us. After all, it is precisely your attitude that emboldens the city's attitude towards us.
I personally voted but really how is an average copper supposed to know ANYTHING about the candidates and their background in pension related matters?? If you don't know should u just make a random uneducated pick? I don't think so
I just received mine a week ago and actually returned it the following day but a lot of coppers may have set it aside for a minute and not realized they would be counting votes just 7 days after sending ballots out. It seems everything is a rush job. There is no way you can possibly research these people and vote logically in that time frame
Generally speaking SCC, in the CPD, like in the nation, most people are lemmings and don't give a shit about something unless it affects them personally. There is no "greater good" anymore. It is shamefull.
I don't know any of those people.
What are any of these people going to say when multibillion dollar companies send their best and brightest to explain to the current or former cop the benefits of a new investment.
Everyone on that board is completely out of their league. The cop rep even more so. They wouldn't know a good investment and they can't spot a bad investment.
This is like sending your 8 year old to negotiate a deal on a new car for you.
Who to vote for? It is irrelevant. This should be done by hired professionals. Anyone qualified to do this would have never taken this job.
hahahah this department is going to hell....with morale at an all time low who gives a shit about who gets elected as our pension board member. he is not going to stop rahm and madigan from fucking us over in our pension...i gave up on this department years ago
Lets hope Lappe does the right thing
To the real "McStupinds" Keep taking the 1,000 back pay. and you can wright on this blog about how the "Old Times" get a pension and how the "Kids" run from you after fucking up at the McDonalds your working at for your retirement check.
I never received a ballot. I didn't even get my news letter until the 18th of Oct.
You have to live in the city Keith, That's the was Madigan wanted it.
I never got a ballot.
I never received my ballot.
what's shameful is that I got my ballot on Tuesday this week and it was due Thursday, I sent it out Wednesday, but who's to say it made it and was counted on time. I'm sure I'm not the only one who this happened too.
(All young bucks who didn't vote I bet!)
Hey pal, Fu@k you! I voted and my guy won! And I'm 30y/o with 5 years on. And I will be the first in line to vote next Tuesday. You'll be the first to bitch and moan here I'm sure.
I've double checked my mail and now triple checked it and I definitely never recieved a ballot. I never miss a chance to vote. I guess on the plus side, I would've voted for lappe b/c I have no idea who the other candidates are or what they stand for. Terrible job getting the word out about this election.
It takes so long to get my FOP newsletter out here in the rural 008th district that all out the information is out of date. It's embarrasing showing up at Bourbon St a week late.
I was out of town on vacation for a 9 days. Came back and the ballot was at the house (late on the 23rd) I did mail it in by I am guessing my vote did not count. Maybe a little longer time frame for those on vacation next time?
Anonymous said...
I did not get a ballot. Lappe would have got my vote.
Keith Lutz (retired 15 June 2012)
10/26/2012 12:42:00 AM
You didn't get a ballot because Lappe was the active PO's rep. you can only vote for the retired rep. That is Hauser, he ran unopposed and got it by default.
This is exactly how Daley kept getting elected time after time. Huge turnout from 11th and 19th Ward overwhelmingly for Daley. Piss poor turnout everywhere else. 28% of the voters go to vote and 80% of them are from areas that go heavily for Daley. That is how he kept getting in.
Blame yourselves, not him, his supporters voted. Few others did.
So all you moaners and whiners who will no doubt complain about Mike Lappe, if you didn't bother to send you ballot back in, shut the fuck up and bend over.
I got my ballot on the 22nd way fucking late! But I could swear the ballot said must be received by Oct 25th. I mailed it on the 23rd the day after I got the damm thing. My question is why don't they mail out the ballots 3-4 weeks ahead of time to get better participation?
I work in 011. Never got a ballot.
I shit you not. I recieved my ballot yesterday 25 oct 2012. I have video cameras on my house. It shows the mail carrier with the ballot being shoved into my mail box yesterday (25 oct 2012). This is just another dirty thing coming from insiders working with an agenda.
Im worried that I will have a very piss poor retirement. Im gonna head down to Indiana with truck and invest in a load of cigarets. I'll be the white guy surround by hypes selling loosies for a dollar before my shift.
We are our own worse enemy! When is the membership going to realize how important it is to vote! There should be over 90% of the ballots returned. Also 100% of the membership(eligible) should be voting during elections.
I work in the 011th District and never got a ballot. Called the FOP and they directed me to the pension board who told me, "We have your correct address. I don't know what to tell you." Seems shady as fuck.
I voted but it was my understanding that the thing had to be post marked by 25 Oct.
Worked with hair-gel partner and asked him if he wanted to go vote with me at early voting polling place. He said he never votes, "It's all fixed anyways." While I can't generalize from his example, it's really sad. A lot of these kids won't do anything unless there's some immediate gratification.
Congratulations PO Lappe. I really hope you can do something to straighten out the Pension mess. I must admit I didn't vote for you though. I voted for the CPA guy-Koszola. Nothing against you personally, I just thought a CPA that knows numbers might be better able to decipher the numbers mess we are in. From what I've heard, you are a standup guy that has done good things as the police. Best of luck.
I think we should have ballot boxes with retirees as judges in the districts. Then there would be no excuses.
Today is 26Oct. The ballot was supposed to be post marked by 25Oct. Can someone please explain why the votes were already counted and posted? Also, I received an e-mail via work mail that some ballots were not sent out. I know of a lot of people who do not check their e-mail. I also know of a lot of people who did not receive their ballot. People went out of their way to make sure we knew there was an election. Why didn't they go out of their way to make sure that people were informed that the ballots were not sent out? The election should be redone. If it is not, the FOP is a farce!
Anonymous said...
I did not get a ballot. Lappe would have got my vote.
Keith Lutz (retired 15 June 2012)
This sums it all up. Only active officers vote for an active representative. Retirees vote for a retired representative. How did we get this dumb?
That is under 25% rate of return
Our numbers for the presidential election and prop 49 will be even worse. Whatever we get we deserve.
I got two and 1/2 years to go until I hit my 20 years and I am gone. Been home inspecting for 11 years now and I am so over this job. I pitty the coppers who have nothing else going on besides this job. My advice to the younger guys: get a part time job or biz that is nonpolice related. This dept suspended me once for 30 days starting on 01 July thru 30 July. I knew the days were coming and by the time the days came I couldn't wait. The ironic part is while I was gone I made more money than had I been working and doing my biz PT. That was when I realized I really could make a go of it.
I see so many coppers working CTA on the RDOs for $200 bucks. I just nod my head in disgust for them. I do my biz and do an inspection for $295 for two hours time and get paid cash the same day. Guys and gals take it from me, you can do something else or additional to being a cop and be successful. I have zero and I do mean zero clout in the real estate world and still pulled down $65K PT.
Peace.
Anonymous said...
We are two cops who did not receive a ballot in the mail. Sorry we were too busy at work to realize the election was here so soon, otherwise we would have went there in person.
Anyone else not get a ballot via mail?
10/26/2012 02:16:00 AM
Coming up on my one year of retirement. Been at same address 30 years. I didn't get a ballot.
Next time how about having that goof Hauser and other appointee's going out to the districts and units to make everyone aware to vote on these matters.I've been down to the board on several occasion's and none of the appointees are there. Hauser made it a point thougt to be at the last FOP meeting looking for signitures (USELESS)
Anonymous said...
I know I didn't return a ballot.
I know a few of these officers. that said, I have no idea what their qualifications are....
this was nothing more then a popularity contest.
10/26/2012 02:20:00 AM
You are part of the problem and must be a total idiot! I really hope you're not the police!
My ballot must still be on it's way. Never received it.
Well they said post marked by Oct 25 so how the fuck do they have the results already.
I didn't hear shit from these candidates but I knew 1 thing don't vote for whomever FOO endorses. That's sad isn't it.
Still haven't received a ballot
That is under 25% rate of return. 24.9% to be exact. With a pre-addressed envelope included. Are you fucking kidding us?
That's why police officers get shit on by the politicians. No two ways about it. No vote. No muscle. That is all.
10/26/2012 06:35:00 AM
Who did you want me to vote for?
I've never met any of the candidates.
They never came and addressed my area.
I wouldn't know their names if I hadn't seen their pamphlets, cards and flyers.
I'm supposed to make a decision based on bullet points in a flyer?
I'm so glad that idiot Jans didn't win. Wants to buy gold with our pension $$$ as an investment. Yeah, sure Kevin. Maybe buy some Google and Apple shares also, now that they're pretty much as high as they're gonna go. I guess you didn't figure out that we all know you're a goof based on not getting elected to FOP every time you've tried. Effing weirdo.
Very sad. When I talk about retirement and pension in roll call, most don't have a clue. They could care a less. So this low return doesn't surprise me.
Congrats Mike, I know you will have the backs of officers who are truly disabled from this job.
West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...
The dumbing-down and coddling of the most recent of generations has begun to reap what was sewn. Young adults that can't think for themselves and are easily persuaded and convinced of half truths and quasi facts. Apathetic drones floating through life, unwilling to educate themselves or take corrective action to slow the erosion of their very wellbeing and existence.
I believe this is why the word "Sheeple" was created.
And I believe everyone under the age of 30 on this job should have to have this read to them for 5 consecutive days as roll call training. We all see what the kids on the job today are and more importantly AREN'T capable of. Afraid of their own shadows, no common sense, falling all over one another to jump thru hoops to perform the activity dance for supervisors barely smarter than they are. I work with guys in the late 20s/early 30s who collect action figures to the tune of $100s a week but put nothing in def comp. THIS is why there's always a piss poor turnout come election time. These will be the same guys bitching that their check is short once the tax credit expires in 2013, but won't have clue the fucking first why. Keep telling it like it is westside inside, hopefully some of these goofs will see the light someday, but I'm not holding my breath.
I NEVER received a ballet and have lived at my house form April 2001, till now. What kind of shit is this
. Sounds very funny to me......
From Lake in The Hills
Illinois
I got my ballot the 22nd. Mailed it the 23rd. Had to be in post office by the 25th, according to voting rules. How in the world can they announce the results on the 25th? Someone screwed this one up.
Congrats to Mike Lappe.
With all this interest in the Pension Board maybe this can generate some discussion on this blog and some action by the Pension Board.
Fact: The Pension Fund is 36% funded.
Fact: In 2010 the Commission to Strengthen Chicago's Pension Funds issued a report which says "the funds are significantly underfunded, they lack the financial assets to guarantee the pensions of their members. The pension fund will begin to run out of assets in less than a decade."
Fact; 2 years have passed and the Pension Board has done nothing to change this slide into insolvency.
This affects 100% of actives and retired and disabled officers and their families.
Fact: State law requires the City to deposit 622 million dollars in the police fund by 2015.
Fact: The City doesn't have it now, won't have it in three years unless
your property taxes are raised by 50%
Question: Why isn't the Board doing anything about this and why is no one even discussing this ?
Lots of people, including me did not get a ballot. However yesterday I received no less then 5 pension reports for October with a laser print address label. They can find me to send me a newsletter but not a ballot. The vote should be canned and recast.
I casted my vote as always!
Anonymous said...
Didn't receive my ballot til three days ago
10/26/2012 03:49:00 AM
The quintessential Hair Gel that is representative of the once badass and proud CPD has spoken.
"Didn't receive my ballot til three days ago". Eight words which perfectly sum up why this job, and 95% of those on it, SUCK.
Point proven that reponsibility is shirked by the majority, even when it's their very own financial future on the chopping block. Without hesitation I'll say that of the 2,795 ballots returned, at least half were from retirees.
THIS is why we aren't taken seriously. THIS is why the politicians laugh at us. THIS is why the city will unabashedly try to have its way with us during the current contract negotiations. THIS, sadly, is what passes for a Windy City Copper nowadays....
Two-plus days to ensure a bubble is filled in with ink and the ballot thrown into the nearest mailbox, and this pathetic douchebag indirectly opines that it wasn't enough time to vote.
Police mail woulda had it there the very next day, if not the same day depending on when the couriers hit your unit for pickup. Shit, concerned and involved members have even hand carried ballots in the past because it really IS that important of an issue.
Not you, though. No time for that "nonsense". But plenty of time to broadcast your ignorance and apathy on a blog.
never got a ballot and this is the first i'm hearing of it.
This is normal,police officers bitch about who's mayor,president etc but when it's time to vote they don't even cast there vote but then keep complaining about who wins.Sad State
It was difficult for me to cast my ballot since I didn't receive one in the mail!
Most of us thought Shields was a great choice too. Lets wait and see how connected to the hall Lappe is. I am hoping for the best but we will see. I received my ballot the day it was due so I did not have an opportunity to get the ballot in on time. Seems there were major problems with the ballots.
I like the way Shields endorsed Lappe at the union meeting then bashed anyone else who was speaking there. Also a lot smaller turnout than the month before when retirees came out of the wood work to secure there right to vote, and ate aall the food, what a joke.
Mike is a fabulous person... worked with him in 011... Congrat's my friend, we know you'll do your very best!
We in Las vegas area never got any ballots.I think this sucks out loud.Since we in nevada are proud of our voting. Someone should into who sent out the ballots. I alsso heard that several retirees in Chicago also never received ballots
So sad that people don't care to vote! Cause you know if they don't vote here they don't vote on Election Day . And that's one big reason why the mayor could care less about us as a department ! We are not voters!
I never received a ballot. My fault for not calling and getting one, but why didn't I get one in the first place? Because we work for a ragtag organization that is in shambles is the only explanation. This situation is ridiculous.
I also never received a ballot and it sounds like it was more than just a few of us.
All you Lappe supporters.... won't you be surprised down the road.
Never forget this fact: Mike has been a wannabe politician most of his post shooting life. No one disputes what happened to Mike and no one disputes his constant work ethic. What IS of dispute is his incessant drive to get into some political position regardless of what it is. Now it's the pension fund, before it was Alderman, and after that how many other attempts at a political career did Mike go for?
While we can agree about his police ethic, we should all be extremely concerned with his seemingly dire need to get involved in anything political for so many years.
Now that he's finally gotten what he wants, we'll see how well the work ethic translates to protecting OUR pension from the likes of Emanuel.
The very description of policitian contains within it the reasonable belief that that person can be bought with the right currency.
And wouldn't we all be surprised to learn that pension trustee just isn't high enough for Mike.
Let's all watch and see how he votes on the upcoming pension related issues. When it's all over and done with, and if Mike's vote has been consistent with OUR best interests THEN I'll say Mike kept true to form.
Until then, don't trust anyone who's been jonesing for a political job for decades.
Anonymous said...
It never showed up at my residence. I get my FOP news letter two weeks into the month though. But no ballot. What gives?
10/26/2012 01:05:00 AM
Boy, I hope your not a detective, cause you would suck. How about asking the Post Office genius?
Anonymous said...
How is Lappe qualified? His qualifications has an officer are outstanding. However that does not reflect in his skills to hold this office. I voted but not for Lappe- he is a nice guy, fine officer but the wrong person. I have no ties and don't even know the others who ran, however, one of the candidates has a CPA and has experience in similar areas. Would you hire a plumber to fix your computer? This was not a popularity contest- it was our future.
Signed,
Disappointed
10/26/2012 07:50:00 AM
If you really want to be Disappointed Google the CPAs name.
I hate to say it, but put me in the "Never got my ballot club." I know Mike, would have had NO problems voting for him.
Wait, didn't it say that it had to postmarked by the 26th of Oct. WTF. While I mailed mine before then, it was just a couple of days ago. I could easily see many arriving late if you're claiming the ballots have already been counted.
And on another note, while I did vote, I can't really criticize others for not voting. What's worse a non-voter or an uninformed voter. A whole bunch of uninformed voters put our current POTUS in office. How's that working out for us all? Reading flyers posted in locker rooms about candidates and their supposed qualifications hardly helps to inform anyone. In my case I only recognized the one name of Mike Lappe; I met him once and he seemed like an honest and sincere guy, not to mention his being shot and left with a life-changing injury.
I will say this, voting in large numbers sends a message to the City that we're united. You gotta ask yourself though, whose fault is it for the lack of motivated voters? In the end maybe the candidates themselves or the FOP could have spearheaded some ideas to better inform us all.
Anonymous said...
I know I didn't return a ballot.
I know a few of these officers. that said, I have no idea what their qualifications are....
this was nothing more then a popularity contest.
10/26/2012 02:20:00 AM
A popularity contest. You are a true ASSHAT. I have to congratulate Mike Lappe on his win. There is no one more knowledgeable or dedicated to hold this position. Mike is someone who dedicated himself to returning to work after being shot and critically wounded. Since then he has also dedicated himself to our pension issues. Mike was the perfect candidate to hold this position. May he retain this position for a long time.
Next time actually do a little research instead of pulling statements out of your ass you have no clue about.
Today is 26Oct. The ballot was supposed to be post marked by 25Oct. Can someone please explain why the votes were already counted and posted? Also, I received an e-mail via work mail that some ballots were not sent out. I know of a lot of people who do not check their e-mail. I also know of a lot of people who did not receive their ballot. People went out of their way to make sure we knew there was an election. Why didn't they go out of their way to make sure that people were informed that the ballots were not sent out? The election should be redone. If it is not, the FOP is a farce!
Hey Donna, Wake up! Fop doesn't run pension board elections. That is done by the pension board. Fop also has no control over the weather.
I got two and 1/2 years to go until I hit my 20 years and I am gone. Been home inspecting for 11 years now and I am so over this job. I pitty the coppers who have nothing else going on besides this job. My advice to the younger guys: get a part time job or biz that is nonpolice related. This dept suspended me once for 30 days starting on 01 July thru 30 July. I knew the days were coming and by the time the days came I couldn't wait. The ironic part is while I was gone I made more money than had I been working and doing my biz PT. That was when I realized I really could make a go of it.
I see so many coppers working CTA on the RDOs for $200 bucks. I just nod my head in disgust for them. I do my biz and do an inspection for $295 for two hours time and get paid cash the same day. Guys and gals take it from me, you can do something else or additional to being a cop and be successful. I have zero and I do mean zero clout in the real estate world and still pulled down $65K PT.
Peace.
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Thank you. You are a smart man. I have made the same obervations: part-time security jobs, CTA employment, Violence Reduction Initiative, and so on. I am running two projects on the side. And when I make twenty years, I am leaving this job to make more money. Also, to the young ones, having a second career helps with the stress--this I cannot put a price on--because you know that you have other options.
A little off topic, SCC, but the word is that the SGTS. have agreed to give up the uniform allowance, and go to a commissary system, like the CFD, They agreed to this in order to keep their 45 minutes per day overtime, which the city threatened to take away. So, like the wellness program, the SGTS have once again, thrown us under the bus.
Not true dummy. Nothing has been agreed to. City has been stalling the negotiations
First off, congratulations to Mike Lappe. There was no one more experienced for the position.
Second, that is sad that less than 25% returned their ballots. Do the 75% realize how important it is to have someone who gives a damn about the future of our pensions. I hope you actually realize what is at stake with the Constitutional Amendment on the ballot. This is everyones future at stake. With the early voting that is available, there should be a 100% turnout by every cop and firemen to vote, so that the Amendent is voted down. For once think about your future instead of giving asinine excuses for failing to vote. It concerns the future of every government employee in the state. Don't bitch and moan, but make yourself heard in the election booth. If you don't take your ass out to vote, you have no right to bitch at anybody but yourself.
I didn't get a ballot either!!!!
Anonymous said...
A little off topic, SCC, but the word is that the SGTS. have agreed to give up the uniform allowance, and go to a commissary system, like the CFD, They agreed to this in order to keep their 45 minutes per day overtime, which the city threatened to take away. So, like the wellness program, the SGTS have once again, thrown us under the bus.
10/26/2012 08:27:00 AM
**********
Talked with someone on their board that I know, he denied it.
Got the ballot, no idea who any of these people were. I didn't get any info on them. Do they have websites, facebooks or a youtube? I will always do my own research but at least point me in the right direction. An uneducated vote is worse than a no-vote.
Anonymous said...
A little off topic, SCC, but the word is that the SGTS. have agreed to give up the uniform allowance, and go to a commissary system, like the CFD, They agreed to this in order to keep their 45 minutes per day overtime, which the city threatened to take away. So, like the wellness program, the SGTS have once again, thrown us under the bus.
10/26/2012 08:27:00 AM
+++++++++++++++++
City wants ALL sworn members to be in a commissary system.
On another topic, the one and only known meeting between the FOP and the city regarding our contract was back in July.
CAN WE GET AN UPDATE FROM THE FOP?
Any additional meetings held?
Anonymous said...
Next time how about having that goof Hauser and other appointee's going out to the districts and units to make everyone aware to vote on these matters.I've been down to the board on several occasion's and none of the appointees are there. Hauser made it a point thougt to be at the last FOP meeting looking for signitures (USELESS)
10/26/2012 11:36:00 AM
Hauser was useless when he was a FOP board member for 20 years and now even more useless as a pension bd rep. for 10 years!
Congratulations Mike !
I received my ballot yesterday....someone's playing dirty pool!!!
WestSide says--
"The dumbing-down and coddling of the most recent of generations has begun to reap what was sown. Young adults that can't think for themselves and are easily persuaded and convinced of half-truths and quasi-facts. Apathetic drones floating through life, unwilling to educate themselves or take corrective action to slow the erosion of their very well-being and existence."
--10/26/2012 02:31:00 AM
...or as one writer put it, "Ignorant, yet filled with self-esteem."
*
On that cell phone 24/7.
"Are you there?"
"Yes, I'm here."
Reassurance all day long.
This is unprecedented.
Paradox -- how does this massive connectivity lead to less empathy and greater isolation, crazy Internet bullying and suicides and so forth?
There was an hour-long TV segment a few years ago, how employers have to coddle and suck up to and provide massive emotional support to the new generation of employees to get them to do anything at all. Bring Your Dog To Work Day, bouncy beanbags in the office -- giant kindergarten.
A supermarket I know has a sign by the time clock, "No Pajamas, Nightwear, Slippers, Or Cell Phones Allowed."
That can only be because experience taught them that the sign is needed.
Not all young people by any means -- but enough of them to remark upon.
I can hear the droning, nasal, superior voice they affect already. No, I didn't come to work in pajamas "when I was that age."
Before me, some people were invading Normandy "when they were that age."
Never received a ballot either. Someone needs to validate the votes that did come in. Something is not right with this election.
All you ASSHOLES spouting off about the low voting turnout, just shut the fuck up. I didnt know any of those clowns on the ballot nor do I think it even matters. I started getting emails from some guy i have never heard of in dept email talking great about himself and m.f'ing shields. Great move, seeing that no one can stand or trust shields. I was born at night, not last night. Fuck all of you. Our fop talked a great game when they were running and sold out the day they were sworn in, with their capts pay and cars on our dime. This department and our pensions are doomed just like this country.And there is not a damn thing anyone is going to do about it. Because in the end they are all liars out for themselves, just like the goofs inhabiting the white house.
I've talked with 4 others that never got a ballot. Was it typical Chicago politics with a fix in? Where are the ballots?
A little off topic, SCC, but the word is that the SGTS. have agreed to give up the uniform allowance, and go to a commissary system, like the CFD, They agreed to this in order to keep their 45 minutes per day overtime, which the city threatened to take away. So, like the wellness program, the SGTS have once again, thrown us under the bus.
10/26/2012 08:27:00 AM
I hope the commissary has body armor, equipment and firearms.
I also didn't get a ballot. I always vote.
Anyone know why so many coppers didn't get a ballot?
Because votes mean shit and I for one don't care, let it all burn down.
I would like to see the postage receipt for 11,000 ballots. What a crock of shit.
On another topic, the one and only known meeting between the FOP and the city regarding our contract was back in July.
CAN WE GET AN UPDATE FROM THE FOP?
Any additional meetings held?
If you went to the meeting Shields announced the dates. Is this that crazy pale woman that keeps coming to the mike at the meetings?
Anonymous said...
On another topic, the one and only known meeting between the FOP and the city regarding our contract was back in July.
CAN WE GET AN UPDATE FROM THE FOP?
Any additional meetings held?
10/26/2012 05:13:00 PM
There have been a number of contract meetings held already, more than one and less than 5. There are more contract meetings scheduled between now and the end of the year.
This was all announced at the last FOP meeting. Your Unit Rep should have the dates and posted same. I am not a Unit Rep any longer. In fact, I am retired. Ask your Unit Rep.
Anonymous said...
Got the ballot, no idea who any of these people were. I didn't get any info on them. Do they have websites, facebooks or a youtube? I will always do my own research but at least point me in the right direction. An uneducated vote is worse than a no-vote.
10/26/2012 05:07:00 PM
Doesn't matter now, the election is over.
Anonymous said...
I NEVER received a ballet and have lived at my house form April 2001, till now. What kind of shit is this
. Sounds very funny to me......
From Lake in The Hills
Illinois
10/26/2012 01:23:00 PM
OK, for the umpteenth time, you are most likely a retiree or are living outside the city illegally if not a retiree. The pension board does not send out ballots for election of active duty PO for pension board rep to retirees. You retirees do not vote for active rep, only retiree rep.
But since Hauser ran unopposed, he got in by default. Hence no ballot went to retirees.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
We are two cops who did not receive a ballot in the mail. Sorry we were too busy at work to realize the election was here so soon, otherwise we would have went there in person.
Anyone else not get a ballot via mail?
10/26/2012 02:16:00 AM
Coming up on my one year of retirement. Been at same address 30 years. I didn't get a ballot.
10/26/2012 11:35:00 AM
Because you are retired. Hauser ran unopposed, he is retiree rep, no one else ran, Hauser got it by default. You don't get a ballot for active PO pension board rep.
Anonymous said...
A little off topic, SCC, but the word is that the SGTS. have agreed to give up the uniform allowance, and go to a commissary system, like the CFD, They agreed to this in order to keep their 45 minutes per day overtime, which the city threatened to take away. So, like the wellness program, the SGTS have once again, thrown us under the bus.
10/26/2012 08:27:00 AM
+++++++++++++++++
City wants ALL sworn members to be in a commissary system.
10/26/2012 05:12:00 PM
I'll take the 45 minutes a day OT over the course of a Year than the Allowance personally.
And remember...that's just the 1050 or so Sgt's.
The 9251 PO's still get a separate contract and can hold out on the Allowance since getting OT isn't exactly difficult with the less than Full Strength we are currently at.
With the current Sgt pay around 103k a year (+/- based on time in rank and pay scale of course) doing some basic math gets the basic hourly rate at about 49.51 per hour straight time. At time and 1 half you get 74.265 per hour.
45 minutes of OT a day = 55.70.
55.70 times 5 days a week times 52 weeks a year = 14481.675 a year before tax.
Beats the hell out of the $1,800 annual uniform allowance.
When you consider that the Majority of City Employees are not ALLOWED to get ANY OT EVER, can't qualify for Comp Time..
I don't want to hear it.
Hey dummy yourself. If nothing has been agreed too, then why are you guys in the wellness program? It must suck to be a merit hack like you.
Im in a small unit and at least three candidates came to our Roll Call, in addition there are posters on every FOP Board across the city. If you didn't know there was an election for trustee, I sure hope you are not a detective.
I voted twice for Cooter.
Anonymous said...
On another topic, the one and only known meeting between the FOP and the city regarding our contract was back in July.
CAN WE GET AN UPDATE FROM THE FOP?
Any additional meetings held?
If you went to the meeting Shields announced the dates. Is this that crazy pale woman that keeps coming to the mike at the meetings?
Dear mikebillrichdanjimfranksyd and the rest of the idiots,
Hahahaha. No its not. Go fuck yourselves.
Another pale face
Received my ballot on the 21st and read due 25th. Wtf?? Mailed it that day. Sure smells fishy in river city.
Anonymous said...
I would like to see the postage receipt for 11,000 ballots. What a crock of shit.
10/26/2012 07:16:00 PM
Only those sworn below the rank of sergeant got ballots, or were supposed to get ballots. PO running for active duty rep spot on pension board. PO, not sgt or Lt or Capt. Just PO, active, not retiree either.
The ballot envelope did not say FOP on it or CPD or OPEN ME.
The return address said:
P.A.B.F.
C/O Bansley and Kiener, L.L.P.
Certified Public Accountants
8745 West Higgins Road
Suite 200
Chicago, Illinois 60631-2704
Now go look in the trash and dig it out.
I didn't know the qualifications of any of them. I wasn't going to throw my vote out and make a bad choice just to vote. I received email from one person and that email made me not want to vote for him. So I could not make an educated vote.
Mine didn't have a stamp...so I used it to lite my grill cause my clicker was out. I then realized was the 1st time ever a ballot was useful.
10/26/2012 03:53:00 PM
Your wrong. I have Top quality secret info that disputes your claim, but providing it would divulge the sorce.
Just saying, know that your wrong.
Anonymous said...
A little off topic, SCC, but the word is that the SGTS. have agreed to give up the uniform allowance, and go to a commissary system, like the CFD, They agreed to this in order to keep their 45 minutes per day overtime, which the city threatened to take away. So, like the wellness program, the SGTS have once again, thrown us under the bus.
10/26/2012 08:27:00 AM
Hey, Chicken Little, get your facts straight BEFORE you start creating panic.
I'm on the Board of Directors for the PB&PA. This is absolutely UNTRUE!! We DO NOT want a commissary system like CFD, because we all know that only the "chosen few" will be awarded this type of contract. And we HAVE NOT given up the uniform allowance, or anything else for that matter!
Agreeing to the Wellness program was a show of good faith to the city, so when it comes down to the brass tacks, it can be used as a bargaining chip in negotiations. Besides, if the Wellness programs manages to motivate even a few people to get off their fat asses & take better care of themselves, who wins? The only city union not participating in this program is the FOP, who's current president had his head so far up his --- that he missed the deadline to file intentions of contract negotiations with the city.
A little off topic, SCC, but the word is that the SGTS. have agreed to give up the uniform allowance, and go to a commissary system, like the CFD, They agreed to this in order to keep their 45 minutes per day overtime, which the city threatened to take away. So, like the wellness program, the SGTS have once again, thrown us under the bus.
10/26/2012 08:27:00 AM
Wrong,
But the word is: every other union sent "the letter" in on time and negations have begun. The FOP will be dealt with last. And the bird is the word!
Anonymous said...
I voted twice for Cooter.
10/26/2012 10:24:00 PM
I am in the retired guy wellness program. A good cigar each day accompanied by a decent interval of time spent taking a satisfying crap. All is well.
ballots for any police election should be given out at the district/units we work in. while in roll call, you fill ou tthe ballot and return it waiting for them to be picked up. saves postage, get more votes. it's a win win.
Seems part of the reason that the vote percentage was so low is because many ballots were received late or not received at all. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a little bit of Chicago Style Politics at work here.
Being shot does not in and of itself qualify someone to properly represent us. I have personally heard Lappe talk about making connections with Rahm's people and people downstate. I have a very bad feeling about his true motivation and I hope I'm wrong,
I didn't vote because I just don't care
""What's even more amazing is that Kozola got 400+ votes. The guy is really a loose cannon.""
Idiot more like it. And never once The Police.
I didnt bother voting cause I didnt think anyone was qualified. Lappes a good guy but he burned me with his "I know" statement.
How the fuck does he know if someone is faking it or not? Just cause he got shot it doesnt give him super natural powers.He's not a fucking Doctor.
But we could do worse, like Kozola. I hope Mike can remove the clout from the system cause thats where the real problem Lies.
Yeah sure....
55.70 times 5 days a week times 52 weeks a year = 14481.675 a year before tax.
Beats the hell out of the $1,800 annual uniform allowance.
___
I would love to trade something with you - Anything!
Look at you deciding what to give back - You have both now
You should just give me $1800, or your kid, or light it on fire!
Idiota!
If that is the Sgts strategy, "What should we give up?" We are doomed!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
How is Lappe qualified? His qualifications has an officer are outstanding. However that does not reflect in his skills to hold this office. I voted but not for Lappe- he is a nice guy, fine officer but the wrong person. I have no ties and don't even know the others who ran, however, one of the candidates has a CPA and has experience in similar areas. Would you hire a plumber to fix your computer? This was not a popularity contest- it was our future.
Signed,
Disappointed
10/26/2012 07:50:00 AM
If you really want to be Disappointed Google the CPAs name.
10/26/2012 04:04:00 PM
Amen to that. Who did his background check? Yikes.
With the current Sgt pay around 103k a year (+/- based on time in rank and pay scale of course) doing some basic math gets the basic hourly rate at about 49.51 per hour straight time. At time and 1 half you get 74.265 per hour.
45 minutes of OT a day = 55.70.
55.70 times 5 days a week times 52 weeks a year = 14481.675 a year before tax.
Beats the hell out of the $1,800 annual uniform allowance.
Numbers off a little, if working straight days you would work 260 days per year before furlough and other elected time off. So assume 25 VAYS and 10 PDAYS and BFDS you take off, leaves you with 225 days worked which gives you 168.75 total hours earned. With the 8.5 schedule you actually work less days per year.
Plus they get .50 hours daily in which they work so that is .50 times 1.5 = .75 times their regular rate of 49.51 = 37.14. Do you see your mistake? It would be 74.265 times .50 not .75. If a SGT works the full 20 days in a period (Straight days) the max he would receive is 15 hours.
Its a common mistake by officers when calculating OT....take for example the violence reduction: You work 8 hours at time and half which = 12 total hours at your regular rate. The 4 hours of OT is already in the 12 hours.
They get to sell back 200 hours at their regular rate of 49.51 hours = $9902
Anonymous said...
Very sad. When I talk about retirement and pension in roll call, most don't have a clue. They could care a less. So this low return doesn't surprise me.
10/26/2012 12:52:00 PM
Perfectly natural and normal.I didn't give retirement and pensions a thought till I had about 20 years on.If you expect some guys in his 20s-30s to worry about that,you;re out of touch with reality.
I don't bitch , so I don't vote.
I really dont give a s*** about this dept. Im gone next spring. I only care for my family and close friends of which none are on this crap job.
Put your ballot where the sun dont shine.
Just fill out the other 75% for your favorite. The dept runs on lies intimidation and desceit from day one. Nobody would notice.
My dog ate mine. Its for the best I guess.
..used the stamp to mail something more important.
I received my ballot in today's mail 27 OCT 12. Go figure?
This sums it all up. Only active officers vote for an active representative. Retirees vote for a retired representative. How did we get this dumb?
10/26/2012 11:25:00 AM
Yesterday I posted about not getting a ballot and being retired. Later that day, what comes in the mail? The Pension Newsletter where I learned only Hauser petitioned to be retired rep. That explains the lack of ballot.
Lots of stuff from FOP comes late---damn newsletter has information that has come and gone by the time I get mine.--retired CPD with surname near end of alphabet.
To 10/26/2012 09:13:00 AM
I know you have 20 yrs on but how old are you? I waited a long time to get hired and had 14 years behind me in the private sector. I worked very hard in both my careers and was only on medical twice in a quarter of a century. I worked within 2 weeks of graduating high school. You say take care of yourself? What do you think people have been trying to do? This is exactly what my generation did. Having most of my social security taken away because the city didn't hire me. So more than half of that pittance is gone. Now let's take away my pension. You sound like this is my fault. I didn't know working 39 years and trying to make a better life for yourself makes me a bad guy. When I started working in 1971, people didn't make great salaries and didn't usually invest. They could barely save. I have never missed voting since my first election in 1971. Yes I am mad and I have every right to be even though I did take care of myself. PAYING INTO YOUR OWN PENSION IS TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF! One additional note, just because I scrimped and saved and put money into deferred comp, does not give the government the right to take away what I earned TO MAKE MY BETTER LIFE. The really sad thing about my rant is, you don't care about coppers like me, no empathy here. It doesn't affect you. Well 20 year guy, I really hope you don't lose your pension even if you did take care of yourself, because I do not like people being wronged! I think I am a good example of many coppers my age, also many who came the job at an early age with no social security quarters. How about someone putting out those pay scales from the 70s for those folks who think coppers could invest money in the markets, save and take care of their families! Oh and to all you guys and gals out there who went to court and worked three jobs, like you didn't take care of yourselves and your families! Guess you didn't do enough!
Sorry for long post but sometimes things need to be explained.
WE as a group are just plain lazy assholes, the young boys and girls just think that these pension issues are a joke, well they will see it ain;t very soon, when they are forced into a 401 K and can't make a decision on how to invest their own money, the years on this job fly by, and I for one am happy that the pension fund was around. But not to send a ballot back in is in excusable and just plain wrong.Mike Lappe is a good guy and should do well .
To 9:13 am I agree with you it is bullshit we might not have a pension. My point was I don't vote because it doesn't matter if we elect Jesus Christ, nobody is strong enough to stop the politicians from doing what they want to do and if we go bankrupt it doesn't matter who's running the pension board. I'm sure everybody who ran has good intentions but it's a lost cause the sooner you believe that the better I wish you the best.
I am a Sgt. and i used to sell back 200 hrs. each year, it would pay for a family vacation each year. We don't get paid for the half hour in money only time, but you can cash it in when you retire and yes I make almost $50.00 per hour, not bad, but I have over 30 yrs here. I plan on going soon and will sell back 200 hrs of furlo time along with anther 18 days of BFD and P-Days. so in all about 15,000 clear. plus 2500 comp time hours. plus almost 350,000 in defeered comp and about 77,000 a year in pension. I encourage everyon to study, take all promotion tests and you have the same chance as others, discounting the priviledged who get made meritoriously. I don't even count them.
First off, there is nothing out there regarding a commisary for SGTS, in lieu of the clothing allow, but FUCK that little chump change they give us, I will go to that store every day with ripped pants, shirts, shoes, etc, they will be sorry they ever met me.
Agreeing to the wellness program as a sign of good faith? You're kidding right? You gave the city the most personal info you have, and gave up your hippa protections, and hot what in return for your good faith? If you really are on the pba board, that is truly frightening. You're the one with his head up his ass. The Sgts need some major changes at their union.
Anonymous said...
Lots of stuff from FOP comes late---damn newsletter has information that has come and gone by the time I get mine.--retired CPD with surname near end of alphabet.
10/27/2012 01:39:00 PM
Most of the newsletter was talked about 3 weeks prior at the monthly meeting.
With the current Sgt pay around 103k a year (+/- based on time in rank and pay scale of course) doing some basic math gets the basic hourly rate at about 49.51 per hour straight time. At time and 1 half you get 74.265 per hour.
45 minutes of OT a day = 55.70.
55.70 times 5 days a week times 52 weeks a year = 14481.675 a year before tax.
Beats the hell out of the $1,800 annual uniform allowance.
Numbers off a little, if working straight days you would work 260 days per year before furlough and other elected time off. So assume 25 VAYS and 10 PDAYS and BFDS you take off, leaves you with 225 days worked which gives you 168.75 total hours earned. With the 8.5 schedule you actually work less days per year.
Plus they get .50 hours daily in which they work so that is .50 times 1.5 = .75 times their regular rate of 49.51 = 37.14. Do you see your mistake? It would be 74.265 times .50 not .75. If a SGT works the full 20 days in a period (Straight days) the max he would receive is 15 hours.
Its a common mistake by officers when calculating OT....take for example the violence reduction: You work 8 hours at time and half which = 12 total hours at your regular rate. The 4 hours of OT is already in the 12 hours.
They get to sell back 200 hours at their regular rate of 49.51 hours = $9902
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The genius of your arrogance is thinking most people work straight days with weekends off. Thanks for expalaining overtime for us; I had no idea how that worked. Enjoy the Dr. Who marathon on PBS tomorrow.
Anonymous said...
I didn't vote because I just don't care
10/27/2012 07:48:00 AM
So true, so sad. We have a job which requires that our most basic duty is to care about other people. So what do we do when it comes to things which are vitally critical to our own lives and future? We "just don't care."
This is proven time and time again by voter turnout under 30%, FOP election ballot return rate of under 30%, Pension Board election ballot return rate of under 25%.
But let someone get time off ahead of us and whoa Nellie! I swear, at least half of the people on this job ought to be working in a factory punching a press or at Jimmy Johns making deliveries or just collecting unemployment. The problem is not being understrength, it is too few people who can do the job well or who even give a shit about doing the job.
To the AGAIN unpublished:
Since you're a slow learner, here's a primer for you:
Censorship is a government function. This is a private enterprise, so we get to decide what goes up and doesn't. We don't come into your house and pee on the carpet - don't expect to come in here spreading manure.
The incident you're referring to with Lappe seems to be questionable in nature and since we don't know the particulars, we'd rather not put any of our assets at risk, let alone Lappe's, in the event that the statute of limitations hasn't run out on it.
Third, when you put up the typical bullshit liberal tagline, "post this if you're with us" in an effort to cow/intimidate/peer pressure us into supporting some person or cause, we flush it automatically lest people think we actually endorse that type of crap. Unlike you, we aren't sheep.
Asshat.
And it's SCC, not SSC you illiterate buffoon.
Anonymous said...
With the current Sgt pay around 103k a year (+/- based on time in rank and pay scale of course) doing some basic math gets the basic hourly rate at about 49.51 per hour straight time. At time and 1 half you get 74.265 per hour.
45 minutes of OT a day = 55.70.
55.70 times 5 days a week times 52 weeks a year = 14481.675 a year before tax.
Beats the hell out of the $1,800 annual uniform allowance.
Numbers off a little, if working straight days you would work 260 days per year before furlough and other elected time off. So assume 25 VAYS and 10 PDAYS and BFDS you take off, leaves you with 225 days worked which gives you 168.75 total hours earned. With the 8.5 schedule you actually work less days per year.
Plus they get .50 hours daily in which they work so that is .50 times 1.5 = .75 times their regular rate of 49.51 = 37.14. Do you see your mistake? It would be 74.265 times .50 not .75. If a SGT works the full 20 days in a period (Straight days) the max he would receive is 15 hours.
Its a common mistake by officers when calculating OT....take for example the violence reduction: You work 8 hours at time and half which = 12 total hours at your regular rate. The 4 hours of OT is already in the 12 hours.
They get to sell back 200 hours at their regular rate of 49.51 hours = $9902
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The genius of your arrogance is thinking most people work straight days with weekends off. Thanks for expalaining overtime for us; I had no idea how that worked. Enjoy the Dr. Who marathon on PBS tomorrow.
10/28/2012 03:30:00 AM
Everyone on 4 and 2 works 5 days out every 7. No arrogance, just ignorance by yourself.
never received my ballot, was on furlough also .
The genius of your arrogance is thinking most people work straight days with weekends off. Thanks for expalaining overtime for us; I had no idea how that worked. Enjoy the Dr. Who marathon on PBS tomorrow.
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If the above post was yours, then you had the calculations wrong, don't get pissed off because you were wrong. The base salary is based on 2080 hours yearly. 2080/8 = 260 days worked. 2080/8.5 = 244 days worked. It doesn't matter if you have straight days or a rotating day off group - I was doing that for your benefit because you seemed confused. A Sgt that works patrol will have less days worked per year (around 15) so his supervisor overtime will be less, in most periods it would be 18 to 19 days vs. 20 for straight days.
You would be surprised at how many officers lack the ability to calculate their own overtime, especially FLSA overtime. Always here to help!
Never got a ballot !! Go figure !
DITTO, never received a ballot either! No bells and whistles from FOP? I know why because their inside man would have lost big time.
Everyone on 4 and 2 works 5 days out every 7. No arrogance, just ignorance by yourself.
10/28/2012 01:18:00 PM
Not true, you work 5 days for four weeks and 4 days for two weeks. No ignorance, just arrogance by you.
Congrats Mike, it's all bull shit anyways... If they are going to fuck with us they will. The FOP, Shilds, and Mike probably sold their souls already. You watch and see who has the upper hand on this one.
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