Shot Spotter Part III
- Hoping to quell rising violence on the South and West sides, Chicago police are again turning to sensors to more quickly track down gunfire in some of the city's most crime-ridden communities.
The Police Department began using gunshot detection technology early last month in two 1.5-square-mile areas to try to better pinpoint the location of gunshots, Superintendent Garry McCarthy disclosed Thursday. The sensors sometimes give officers information before 911 calls are made, he said.
In the past decade, the city twice installed the devices but ultimately removed them because of their high price tags and ineffectiveness. Since then the technology has improved "dramatically," McCarthy said.
From our 011 District correspondent however, a different tale:
- Don't believe the gun shot sensor hype SCC. Even the dispatchers, after giving out calls of "shots fired," say over the air, "Now we are getting verifications/sensor readings/additional info" of loud reports. It's BS.
After reading the rest of the article, we're inclined to agree:
- After a shot is fired, three or more sensors detect the sound and calculate its location. Trained acoustics experts in the company's 24/7 review center in California confirm if the sound came from a weapon and not a car backfire, fireworks or other loud noises. The technicians then pass the information onto Chicago's Crime Prevention and Information Center, which dispatches officers to the scene.
Really? "Trained acoustic experts" from California are determining if there are shots being fired in Chicago and then telling CPIC about it, who can then send officers? By the time that happens, the ambulance has already removed the victim, transported him to the hospital, and the doctor is making the first cut.
We give it a year before the California company outsources the entire operation to India.
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wow a real useful tool from the biggest tool around. yesterday someone from shot spotter comes on the zone and states squad shot spotter has detected shots fired at so and so location. Dispatcher responds yes sir we now the call came out and officers have been on the scene for 10 minutes already. Real up to date technology. LOL LOL LOL. Keep blowing that smoke up everyone's asses
Just another bull shit way for G Mac and the powers that be to make it look like they're really fighting crime.
What good is it knowing where shots are fired at if you have NOBODY available to respond to the job?
And if a policeman wasn't close enough to hear it when it happened what difference does it make.In 007 two nights ago a call came out of shots fired at 6300 Wolcott- four minutes later CPIC Claims it was at 6283 Wolcott ? It only cost about 5000 bucks to narrow it down to a none existing address.
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UN to send voter watches to make sure illegals can vote multiple times. Chicago safe to steal.
http://patdollard.com/2012/10/complete-list-of-where-u-n-poll-watchers-will-be-stationed/
County sheriff has to approve. Please call Tom Dart to make sure UN comes to Chicago.
It was about two months ago when I experienced how well these sensors work.
In the 7th after about 30 minutes of trying to herd a pair of vicious dogs into the corner somewhere and waiting for animal control to show up and they never did. Both dogs were shot.
About 30 minutes later still waiting for animal control the zone says they got a call for shots fired by this sensor gun center. LMAO. Well i guess that was us squad any word from animal control yet? We think the one dog finally died and is lying under a porch here and the other is still bleeding out.. 19-Paul
No I'm not laughing about the dogs being put down as that is sad. This joke of gun shot detectors.
You're right SCC just forward those calls straight to Streets and Sans to hose down the streets and pick up the bodies.
HA, which politicians have their hands in the outsourcing pie on this one we wonder?
I agree with you scc. Those shot sensors are complete waste of money!!
Garry M
The downtown Tower of Bullshit doesn't know the meaning of the words Pro-active Policing.
Just file the report AFTER the damage has already been done.
We don't need to pay officers $60~70K/year to do that and to be the janitors -- mopping up blood and sweeping up spent shell casings.
Three mic's needed to triangulate and cover each 1.5 sq. mile area of the city? Maybe more depending on the noise floor (background noise) of the area
Chicago == 2,122.8 sq mi
Do the math.
Not to India....no offense against Indians but their English is horrible on the phone. How is that going to be helpful?
We have these in D.C. and by and large they're good at making me have to write lots of "Sounds of Gunshots" reports and occasionally clarifying where a shooting took place when multiple callers call in sounds of gunshots. Aside from that, I've never seen the ShotSpotter be the first one to call in a shooting.
When picking between technologies, you guys would be better served investing the money in LPR readers on major thoroughfares. You'll catch more hucks and shitbirds carrying drugs and guns that way...
It's called building the infrastructure scc. Why are you heathens so unresponsive to progress?
Answer your calls for service, enforce traffic violations IF you observe them and go home safely and live your life. Supervisors ARE NOT your buddies...
Will it detect when someone is shooting out street lights?
Hey...They should put up smell detectors too! No shit! Now think about that.
Weed, alcohol, bombs, explosives, bullshit from the ivory tower downtown... the smell detector would forward the data to expert smell-ologist analysis, 10 year old kids somewhere's in Asia to determine what kind of stink it was... These experts would eliminate cat litter boxes, skunks, discarded white castle boxes, India restaurants, the Chicago river and the sanitation canal from the true stench found in the "World-Class Sanctuary City"
Instead of "loud reports" the zone could issue "strong stench" reports so as to not alarm joe citizen listening in on their police scanners
Units in one and on the citywide we're getting "strong stench" reports...100 north and La Salle. Use caution, hazmat is not rolling at this time..And CompStats could be expanded and the public given bullshit stats on how the level five hazmats are down this month..and so the stink is down and so forth and so on.
New from K-TEL. It's the K-Tel Shot Spotter Three.
How many times has this happened to you? You get a call of loud reports and race out lights and sirens blaring only to find out there's nothing there, everyone is gone except for the carcass.
Now with the new K-TEL Shop Spotter Three those days are gone......only three payments of $19.95. Call now operators are on duty. Visa and Master card accepted.
hundreds of bad ideas but never the right one. hire the 2,000 officers we're short.
Mr. Vanecko has assured us that this shit really works!
OFF TOPIC! The US Attorney and the FBI are desparetly trying to keep the lid on the fact that an FBI agent, here in Chgo. has been identified as a Red Chinese spy. And you thought that the CPD had problems. The scumbag agent was born in China of American parents and then came back to the US. He was a copper somewhere so the FBI, naturally, jired him because he could speak Chinese. Turns out he was an agent for Chinese Intelligence. Oooops.
How about the old popping a brown paper bag full of air trick?
In 16 CPIC last night was notified via text message alert that 2 teens were stabbing a tree which a car was actually dispatched! Excellent use of resources!
These have actually worked in 025 twice this week. But at what cost? First one cpic comes on the air and gives a general location. Beat officers a block away here it and say they hears it too and are responding. About 10 seconds later the calls flood in, person shot. Second one, cpic gets on radio and says shots fired. About 5 seconds later calls come flooding in, person shot. I have to admit, cpic came on first but only by 5-10 seconds. Is that really worth all the money they spent???? P.S. no offenders in custody on either event!!
How long before Rahm or some other pol suggests Chicago should use drones to fight crime?
After a shot is fired, three or more sensors detect the sound and calculate its location. Trained acoustics experts in the company's 24/7 review center in California confirm if the sound came from a weapon and not a car backfire, fireworks or other loud noises. The technicians then pass the information onto Chicago's Crime Prevention and Information Center, which dispatches officers to the scene.
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Yeah, sure. Whatever. Try telling someone that doesn't know any better that there's people monitoring this shit around the clock.
Just like Forrest Claypool is touting double digit numbers in crime reduction on CTA property because of cameras monitored "by 35 round-the-clock staff".
Just like the POD cameras are deterring crime in the ghetto.
Yet calls for service is up dramatically and multiple sources all tell us that crime is actually UP across the board with exceptions in limited types of crime.
Keep drinking the Koolaid all you Sheep.
So what are you saying? That Rahm now has businesses in India? LOL! Or that his California businesses are not keeping up?
For one thing, how do you send police when there aren't any.
Plus, we hear gunshots all the time, and our ears aren't stationed in CA.
Lastly, WTF good is it to get to a scene of shots fired or bodies on the ground when 'nobody seen nuttin', nobody heard nuttin', nobody knows nuttin' about nuttin' and they don't need people (police) to 'tell them how to do'.
Unless they're shooting in copper territory, who gives a crap????
Cull the herd.
"Trained acoustic experts " in CALIFORNIA?
Please tell me your B.S., please!
Unimaginable fuckery!
Why does the city (Tiny D) have money for everything but more cops? whether its maggies park, Tinys pet projects, or any other cockamamie thing, there are boatloads of dough, but none for more actual bodies...
I wonder how the techs in Cali will interpret the barrage of post-TBK farts I plan on unleashing directly under a south side sensor tonight.
Does the media not remember, or not care that this is at least the third time this"new technology" has been introduced as the latest way to stop shootings?
The part about California is hilarious. Are you kidding me? What a waste of time and money. This is how it has happened in 007 lately: oemc dispatches a "shots fired" call, officers respond and deal accordingly, 5 minutes later cpic comes on the zone and states the they are getting gunshot readings from sensors in the area and they have no clue that the call has already been dispatched. They come on the air like they know who really killed JFK.... Seriously any media who is reading this - please listen to zone 6 on your scanner - and then report the truth.
Really! The news media eats all type of shit the politicians feed them.
When there are gun shots, the calls come in like crazy and they come in with descriptions of possible offenders, fleeing vehicles and direction of flight. They come in as fast as the "sensor" would detect them.
This technology is more smoke and mirrors. It is more wasted money.
AND even if they pinpoint the exact location of the shots, so what? There will be no one there upon police arrival, unless one of those shots hit poor old pookie, who was just turning his life around.
What a load of shit that keeps getting passed around by the media, the politicians and McCarthy.
Is there anyone sane and reasonable in those groups who are willing to get the truth out to the citizens? I am afraid the answer is, no.
Keep preaching the message, SSC. At least a citizen can decide for him/herself whether or not to believe the professional liars, or the ones who do this job for real.
God gave me two of these devices for free and they work well, they are called ears and i can hear gunshots from quite a while away, and as far for the exact location when i hear screaming or call an ambulance i can usually tell where the gun shots occured.
Great technology.....if we were trying to catch poachers in game preserve. In a densely populated urban environment, if its shots fired, the cell phone is gonna win that race every time. More wasted technology/money.
This dint work under a competent commander like Dave Sobczyk, it certainly will not work under a buffoon like Caluris.
Wow, How many millions does this cost and how much is Rham&company making?
Its cheaper to put a PO in a car and just let him drive around, but then again, the PO does not give kickbacks or political"favors"
OT, Just how many more union jobs are the democrats going to get rid of next year here in Chicago?
Wow maybe robo cop is in the plan to asist as well!
When are those expert's jobs being outsourced to China. Might as well be there. Un-fucking believable.
Every time one of these "experts" declare a shot was fired a UUW case report should be prepared and the beat car should stay down on the paper until the area has been thoroughly searched for evidence. Please note that this is sarcasm.
Robin -"Holy tiny-dancer, Batman".... with this new technology that Commisioner McGoof will probably cut us from the budget.
Batman -Don't worry Robin, we all have seen this before. First they try to confuse us with riddles, then we won't be able to get time off, but in the end, we will be left holding the bag.
OT. Pension Elections. Sent out 11,200 that is active and retired? If so how many active P.O.'s are there and how many retired? what are the real numbers of active P.O.'s how about a little transparency FOP!!! I believe there is about 5000 retirees.
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The downgrading of serious crime through word games:
CTA thefts up, but robberies decline, police say
9:31 p.m. CDT, October 26, 2012
Thefts on the CTA, a category that includes the snatches of smartphones, tablets and other electronic devices from transit riders, increased 16 percent in the first nine months of the year compared with the same period in 2011, according to the Chicago police data.
The increase marks a continuing and troubling trend. Thefts, the most reported crime on buses and trains, rose 42 percent from 2009 through 2011, the Tribune reported over the summer..."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-officials-crime-down-on-cta-this-year-20121026,0,2806209.story
GMac wears an aluminum colander on his head to receive "shortwave" signals from 5th Floor of City Hall.
Tracking guns from Cook Co. has a fast & furious tone to it too.
Another brilliant idea from the Mothership. Lets count gun shots and when we get to zero shots being fired, there'll be no more murders.
Doomed, (but crime is down).
"...four minutes later CPIC Claims it was at 6283 Wolcott? It only cost about 5000 bucks to narrow it down to a non-existing address."
--10/27/2012 12:18:00 AM
You know they have to be using Google Maps or something; that is far from perfect. It shows you the wrong side of the street, etc. a lot. These zoomy "systems" with chunks of them "outsourced" are only as good as the weakest link. I think hoping for an exact street number in a city like this is ridiculous.
Gonna have a lot of carpenters on the hood.
Let me guess... the mentality might be to send less officers to a call since they claim they have a clue where shots are... no need to have officers checking the area since it's all there pin pointed out...
Yeah right, bottom line is what’s the POS thinking when they see a greater police vs barely seeing any at all???
I’m still waiting, for someone to show me that 8, like in 8 thousand is greater than 13, like in 13 thousand…. Quit listening to these assholes and just watch what they do…. Actions always seemed to speak a bit louder then words.
West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...
I wonder how the techs in Cali will interpret the barrage of post-TBK farts I plan on unleashing directly under a south side sensor tonight.
10/27/2012 07:50:00 AM
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I LOVE TBK!
Nothing like washing down some adult beverages with a super king with extra beans...I'll be joining you tonight.
Shot Spotter Agents attempted to get Director Ramos to buy into the shot spotter illusion that it would help the communities in south suburban Cook County, he was smart enough to avoid this software as it had not yet been tested in larger cities across America.
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SAVING ENGLEWOOD FROM ITSELF -- MCCARTHY ENDORSES $19 MILLION "VISITING SOCIAL WORKER" BOONDOGGLE
Press release from another NGO you never heard of before -- "Fight Crime: Invest in Kids Illinois" --
"On Friday, Chicago Police Superintendent Garry F. McCarthy called for increased access to voluntary home visiting programs for new, at-risk parents to address the root causes of violent crime...Englewood, West Englewood, and Greater Grand Crossing...Southside Early Learning Network...funds from the federal Maternal, Infant and Early Childhood Home Visiting (MIECHV) grant. Illinois has received $19 million so far to expand access to home visiting in high-risk communities and conduct research on promising models.
"In order remain [sic] eligible for the federal funds, Illinois is not allowed to reduce state funding for home visiting in its state budget.
"...integrating the evidence-based home visitation services that are funded by the Maternal, Infant and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program into a network...Community Impact Officer...Nurse-Family Partnership..."
http://www.fightcrime.org/chicago-police-superintendent-mccarthy-to-stop-violent-crime-break-the-cycle-of-child-abuse-and-broken-familieps/
Networks of networks of networks -- and everybody gets a good paycheck.
Yabble, yabble -- if I tie my shoelace, is that "evidence-based?"
19 million bucks so far. Makes Doc Slutkin at CeaseFire look like small potatoes.
The government grant hunters "conduct research on promising models" like a jackroller looking for drunks.
Clipboard Ladies at the door -- substitute for the family.
$19 million swirling around the drain -- and Englewood more dangerous than ever. Proof that more money is needed!
Just ask the people who produce this material...
hire more cops; screw the waist of things that just dont work. too many sheep buy into all this crap.
The California Acoustic Expert is from South Central.
When you access the data in order to extrapolate and triangulate the response is "Huh? I just came out."
it's all B-ll Sh-t kid .
News flash Boy-O - cars no longer backfire. Post injector/electronic control ing/cat converter.
Maybe I should fire-up the ole '69 belch-fire one more time before the snow, crack the straight pipes and give something to report.
On 01 October 2012, our City Council conducted hearings regarding city pensions including the Police & Fire Pensions. John Gallagher, Executive Director of the Police Pension Fund took the stand along with others to answer questions from the aldermen.
Mr. Gallagher is remarkable advocate for his constituents -the active and retired members of the police department. It was recently announced that Mr. Gallagher will be leaving our Fund. I hope the new Executive Director has the same fire as Mr. Gallagher.
Below are some facts and myths debunked at the hearings:
Facts:•Our Pension is currently funded at approximately 35%.
•Approximately 11,800 sworn members are currently contributing to our pension fund.
•3,200 sworn members are 50 years old with 20 years seniority (27% of all sworn members).
•Approximately 55% of retirees continue to live and spend money in Chicago.
Myth:The city does not make their full payments to the pension fund.
Fact:The city has statutorily met all its payments to the pension fund.
Myth:The 2 times multiplier the city currently contributes to the pension is enough.
Fact:According to Executive Director Gallagher, he has repeatedly informed the city that the 2 times multiplier is NOT enough.
Myth:The pension fund is not hitting its mark on investments.
Fact:The Actuarial Assumption for our fund is 8%, the pension fund has actually averaged about 8.8% since 1974. The Fund is currently over 10% for 2012, year to date (October 2012).
Myth:Active members will not contribute more than 9% of their salary to the pension.
Fact:Most active members will agree to a slight increase in the amount they contribute to their pensions Myth: Police pension COLAs are compounded annually.
Fact:Police Pension COLAs are NOT compounded.
Fact:No one born after 01 January 1955 will receive a COLA until they are 60 years of age and that COLA will be 1.5%.
According to a Chicago Tribune/WGN-TV Poll published on 16 October 2012, "Illinois voters overwhelmingly blame politicians for creating the state's public employee pension mess."
Executive Director Gallagher has been sounding the alarm for years. Voters know this is not a problem that occurred overnight. However, Alderman Richard Mell at the hearings is quoted, "We have to solve the situation as quick as we possibly can." (Chicago Tribune, 02 Oct 12). I hope the alderman means long term plans are needed, not a quick fix, because a quick, knee jerk reaction will NOT solve this problem.
VOTE "NO" on the proposed amendment to the Illinois Constitution, Resolution #49!
One of these knee jerk reactions is the proposed amendment to the Illinois Constitution, Resolution #49. This hastily written amendment WILL send many pension issues to the courts because it is written with such vague terms. No one wants their pension money/payments tied up in the Illinois Court System!!
Who will decide what a pension benefit increase is? Perhaps even the inequitable 1.5% COLA increase at age 60 will require a 3/5 majority of the legislature. Why let the courts decide on your pension! Please vote "NO" and tell your family and friends to vote "NO."
Lt. James Maloney
Pension Board Representative
&
Lt. Michael Dejanovich
Headquarters' Representative
Mayor’s Proposed
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COLD now -- and still it's so bad that they're continuing to break up even weekend shooting totals. "...from Friday night through early Saturday..."
"Weekends" are irrelevant when discussing the doings of people who've never held a job. "Disingenuous" is the word. "Minimize while we monetize." Funny how that works.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/8-Wounded-in-Shootings-Since-Friday-Night-176099591.html
...and this...
CHICAGO'S BLOODY SUMMER
...and "the business community" is certainly noticing. Scream and twitch and bang your fists, O High Exalted Rahm.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chicagos-deadliest-streets-2012-10
Shots fired/person shot in 007the last week and the shot spotter people get on the radio almost 10 minutes later to let us know there were shots fired....thanks for the hot tip
The best gun shot detector is a ten-four unit. Fucking Morons and the wasting of Taxpayer Dollars is disgusting.
"UN to send voter watches..."
--10/27/2012 12:29:00 AM
Poll watchers? Boy, is this insulting -- or would be if this country wasn't being pulled down nto the Third World.
Open the borders, swamp us with illegals, maintain the voting-dead Combine State -- and now look what gets its foot in the door.
Blue helmets from Nigeria going to be driving armored cars around "observing?"
The Inner Party smears this as "tinfoil hat" thinking while they work like hell to make it come to pass.
"Why does the city (Tiny D) have money for everything but more cops?"
--10/27/2012 07:40:00 AM
Dream Fund to start helping students who are illegal immigrants
October 27, 2012
"Starting Thursday, students without legal permission to be in the country will be able to apply for scholarships of up to $6,000 to help pay for tuition at Illinois colleges and universities.
"The Illinois DREAM Fund, a not-for-profit organization created under a state law aimed at helping immigrants brought in illegally as children, has so far raised about $500,000 through private donations...
"All immigrant students can apply, but the group is focusing those [sic] who are here illegally, said Tanya Cabrera, chair of the Illinois DREAM Fund.
"DREAM Fund donations are exclusively private, though local politicians have helped spur contributions. Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel, for example, raised $275,000, organizers said."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-illinois-dream-fund-20121027,0,5587861.story
What networks of networks, what empires in the air the Inner Party builds for itself using other people's money.
Here, Gov. Quinn's appointments to the Illinois DREAM Fund Commission.
Clara Rubinstein, Clare Muñana, Moises Zavala, Nam H. Paik, Rigoberto Padilla-Perez, Ronald Perlman, Tanya Cabrera.
http://www.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=2&RecNum=10008
Have a look at their connections. One big Rolodex, with the rule being that everyone always gets a fat paycheck. Always.
Even if this technology worked they would still need more officers on the street to respond as those already working are bogged down on jobs,why don't they just make a robot,that's it ROBO cop technologies ,send us all home this is coming,but lets start with ROBO Rahminator and Mc ROBO,send them on there way,so we can get this city in order!
Regarding that call in 025 where the shot spotter caught the gun shots first. Wrong...... 2 coppers from gangs called out the loud reports on zone 10 5 minutes before the shotspotter. It was put out on zone 10, it just so happened to happen on the boarder between 011 and 025.
>>>We give it a year before the California company outsources the entire operation to India.<
I'll give it a year before the California company shuts it down because it hasn't been paid.
‘Shot Spotter’ not solution to violence if Boston is [the] example
July 12, 2012
"Seattle is looking at technology that may pinpoint shooting scenes, but will it prevent people from being killed?
"...the City of Boston began using this technology in 2007. A look at Bean Town’s homicide data from 2008 through 2011 might suggest that this technology hasn’t prevented murders. If Seattle wants to be like Boston, its citizens are in trouble already.
"In 2008, the year after installing the Shot Spotter equipment, Boston racked up 63 murders. The following year, 2009, saw 50 people killed, which seems a step in the right direction, until one looks at the 2010 body count, which hit 72. Then last year, Boston again logged 63 killings."
http://www.examiner.com/article/shot-spotter-not-solution-to-violence-if-boston-is-seattle-s-example
This whole cockamamie scheme reminds me of when Maggie Daley was in Paris. When she wanted one of the butlers, er bodyguards, instead of calling their cell phone she'd call the command post back in Chicago. Then the desk guy would have to call the butlers cell phone, in Paris, and tell him Maggie needed him.
Spot shitters don't work in MKE either.
At least you guys have a ra hissss dio sys-vbfnjd-tem thaaaaat wor--ks. Insert digital noises.
Open Sky sucks. The only reason they got it was a former chief was told he'd be able to listen in on conversations going on in the squad.
Anonymous said...
How long before Rahm or some other pol suggests Chicago should use drones to fight crime?
10/27/2012 04:30:00 AM
Isn't that what we are??
anyone continue to notice the desperation coming from city hall and 35th st., re: continuing crime?....what to do?.....well, in the latest, 35th, crime strategy, let's buy machines that hear gunshots......eh?.......
there should be a sensor for every time a illegal alien comes over the border or welfare mom has a baby..
This isn't new technology. What these "acoustic experts" are doing is something Navy sonar techs and aircrewmen have been doing since the 40's, and without the computer support available now. Somehow, they're botching it badly, since the time from detection to notification should be less than a minute. And yes, you can tell what an acoustic target is -- or isn't -- in that time. By comparison, an ASW helicopter crew worth its salt could detetct a target, and put a torpedo on it in about that time, using grease pencils, head calculations, and "Kentucky windage," while getting bounced around at 150' at 120 knots.
This is how it works- shot spotter goes off in CPIC, PO has to go to computer and can either just call the zone and give it out or is supposed to playback recording and determine if it is actually gunshots, then call zone.
PO at cpic has to put into program if shot detection was actual shots fired or input what he believes it is. This is so the computer program learns what a gunshot is and what a train, road plate etc. sound like.
This was developed to determine insurgent sniper locations in war. but in the city once they shoot they run.
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From The Chicago Reader
Top cops can't explain what's up with CAPS
Posted by Mick Dumke on 10.26.12 at 06:32 PM
Brian Jackson/Sun-Times Media
CAPS director Ron Holt: "Nothing has been changed, so to speak."
Chicago police officials are contradicting each other and withholding information about the future of the program designed to open communication networks with the community.
On Friday afternoon, the director of the Chicago Alternative Policing Strategy, or CAPS, added the latest twist, denying that anything will be different next year—except where it is.
"Nothing has been changed, so to speak," says CAPS director Ron Holt.
Really?
As I reported earlier, the budget for the CAPS central office has been cut from about $4.6 million this year to zero for 2013.
While monthly or semimonthly beat meetings are scheduled to continue, police superintendent Garry McCarthy said this week that he wants to dramatically revamp things so that district commanders decide what to do with CAPS beat by beat.
"I want a philosophy of policing. I don't want a program, and CAPS is actually a program," McCarthy said. "We haven't finished all the details on this now, but the fact is that we're distributing all the CAPS folks out into the districts, into the district commanders' hands, where it's localized and they have a better handle on what's going on."
Aldermen repeatedly asked just how this new form of community policing would work, but McCarthy struggled to explain it—probably because, as he admitted, he didn't know himself just yet.
"This is all being built as we speak," he said.
First deputy superintendent Al Wysinger added that Holt and other top CAPS officials—those who've been responsible for implementing community outreach citywide—would likely be given other duties. "We don't know where they're going to fit per se," he said.
Yet Holt tells me that's not the case: "Whatever the superintendent has said, that's his opinion, but I'm still CAPS director."
I don't want to get anyone in trouble, but it sure sounds like somebody's spinning one way and someone else is spinning the other.
If the budget speaks the truth and two plus two equals four—a big if, since around here it often doesn't—McCarthy is closing the CAPS office so he can quietly put the money and personnel to use in the neighborhoods. That's politically touchy because aldermen and residents are clamoring for more resources while the superintendent says they're not needed.
For now, CAPS officers and district leaders aren't sure what's going on either.
"We know they're doing something with the CAPS office," says one district supervisor. "But what the implications might be, I don't know."
Incidentally, officials also said this week that the year's homicide clearance rate is 36 percent, down from 51 percent in 2011—the result of a lack of cooperation from people in the neighborhoods.
Wonder how long the company in California is gonna wait to get paid before they pull the plug. just like the original GPS in the squad cars, the city didn't pay the bill.
Anonymous said...
"Trained acoustic experts " in CALIFORNIA?
Please tell me your B.S., please!
Unimaginable fuckery!
10/27/2012 07:38:00 AM
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Trained James Taylor cover band musicians monitoring the mic's 24/7 by smoking weed and watching internet porn.
"Hey, what the hell happened to this thing? It was in tune when I bought it!"
When was the last time anyone heard a car backfire? Inquiring minds would like to know.
Which one of Rahms friends either owns that cali corp outright or has an interest in it. Wasnt one his friends found to control the speed cam company? Move along, move along nothing to see here...
WHAT NO RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR THE "ACOUSTIC ExperTS"
All this unemployment in Illinois and in Chicago and we have to channel money to some clown outfit in California WTH?
Company probably has ties to some of Rahm's friends in Hollywood right?
A 75 year contract ??
How long before Rahm or some other pol suggests Chicago should use drones to fight crime?
10/27/2012 04:30:00 AM
you misspelled 'clones'.
"Trained acoustics experts in the company's 24/7 review center in California..."
...transfer the information to a data center in India, where technicians make the final determination. (just kidding)
Those detectors would be better utilized locating wayward farts at a public event so people can tell the culprit to quit it.
Gee who has a brother with connections in California?
OT. Voting.
Early voted.
Did not vote for any unopposed judge and voted no for the others, except for one of them.
Voted "YES" for Joan Margaret O'Brien. From a LEO family.
Better yet, sorry squad, no cars available, we're in a RAP. CArs on the zone, we have pending a burglary in progress, a domestic over the time limit, make that two of them, an assault in progress and a man with a knofe. Ok, now we have a shot spotter sensor notification is anyone almost available to ride on any of these?
Spot all you want- no one is available-- we're 3000 officers understaffed.
This tech is fine in Afragastan were you can just open up with a .50 Cal or call in an air strike in the direction of the shot(s)...hey wait a minute that's a GREAT IDEA!!
The shart spotter is useless.
And sorry, BUT ALL JUDGES GETA NO!
Anonymous said...
OT. Voting.
Early voted.
Did not vote for any unopposed judge and voted no for the others, except for one of them.
Voted "YES" for Joan Margaret O'Brien. From a LEO family.
10/27/2012 07:12:00 PM
Clout is good if it's your clout, eh?
In the interests of fiscal responsibility to Chicago taxpayers, the City must reassess our priorities.
Make no mistake. Our paramount priority is to make Maggie Daley Park happen for just a mere $55,000.000.00.
We must also petition Cardinal George and the Vatican to commence her canonization for sainthood. St. Maggie of Bridgeport.
The mere fact that she did not kill that rotten, corrupt scoundrel of a spouse would qualify her for beatification.
Our new strategy for combating crime only has a few kinks to work out:
1. Once a gun is fired, the police will be able to go to where it was fired.
2. When the police get there, they will be able to recover casings (to inventory).
3. The victim will be located faster.
4. An ambulance can be dispatched faster.
5. I'm sure that the offender will be waiting for the police.
6. The gun used will probably have a GPS, so we know where it is.
7. The car getting to the scene will be there in 20 min. because he is on other calls.
8. The gun will be located, since ALL PERSONS THAT SHOOT PERSONS WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION REGISTER THEIR WEAPONS.
9. The police will have to remain on the crime scene.
10. The statistics will show that the police respond to these shootings faster, but they will be blaming the police for not getting there in time. Shootings will be classified as "death investigation".
11. Knives used in crimes don't make noise like guns.
12. McGoofy will have time to create a new strategy.
13. etc., etc., etc.
14. News media will be told that this is working, and they'll probably demonstrate how it works. (Hope that there isn't a real shooting near-by), otherwise the tracking system will probably crash or freeze.
WE DON'T NEED ANY EXTRA POLICE TO IMPLIMENT THIS PLAN. Besides they’ll be working part time at business in the downtown area!
This otta be fun on New Years eve or on the 4th of July!!!!!
We had CPIC got on zone 3 last week and reported shots fired. It turned out to be fireworks.
10/27/2012 12:25:00 PM
"Networks of networks of networks - and everybody gets a good paycheck."
People scurrying around with papers in hand "looking busy" while robbing the joint blind.
"The (professional) government grant hunters "conduct research on promising models" like a jackroller looking for drunks."
Heh... Fuck even pretending shit is on the up and up?
Bunch of grifters, freebooters, bojank artists and highwaymen.
Best laugh I've had all day. What a crock of shit the taxpayers are paying for.
Keep voting dumbocRAT folks! They're doing a bang up job!
Best laugh I've had all day. What a crock of shit the taxpayers are paying for.
Keep voting dumbocRAT folks! They're doing a bang up job!
Can those things spot an increase in a decrease, or if the beach is too hot near the cool water? Because McDrink can. And he can do it while trampling a crime scene and picking up brass in his shoe treads.
I heard he was going to the academy range to walk over the brass so the recruits don't have to bend over and pick it up. He wants them to bend over later on.
We used to listen for gunfire with our fucking ears. Everyone standing within reach of where the shot come from was searched and maybe some arrested. We didn't count on a super duper long range inter galactic listening device and de-coder ring to solve some crap on the street.
OT--
The downgrading of serious crime through word games:
CTA thefts up, but robberies decline, police say
9:31 p.m. CDT, October 26, 2012
Thefts on the CTA, a category that includes the snatches of smartphones, tablets and other electronic devices from transit riders, increased 16 percent in the first nine months of the year compared with the same period in 2011, according to the Chicago police data.
The increase marks a continuing and troubling trend. Thefts, the most reported crime on buses and trains, rose 42 percent from 2009 through 2011, the Tribune reported over the summer..."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-officials-crime-down-on-cta-this-year-20121026,0,2806209.story
So the logical thing to do is cancel TOSPOT right?
WTF is the matter with this department.?
You have an obvious and ongoing problem with apple picking etc. on and around the CTA and now twice this year they've eliminated extra employment designed to help in these matters. First they cancelled CTA special employment and now TOSPOT. They admitted their mistake and brought back CTA special in short order can TOSPOT be far behind?
We have top men working on it, top men.
Use infrared !
Then either he's bleeding or naked!
All makes sense now why crooked ass tiny dancer was out in California for fund raisers prior to election time. NOBODY gives money away for nothing!
Start documenting its failure! When you get a call from them and find nothing drop paper kill that hour and say in your paper how the loud reports were determined to be shots fired by an expert in California. Enjoy the break office.
So the first most bankrupt state in the country is outsourcing work to the second most bankrupt state in the country for an overpriced system that doesn't work. That even the dim witted can see is a scam and a waste.
Makes perfect sense to dumbocRATS. We should tax the rich more to fund this.
Why the expense? We already have CeaseFire with free cellphones an1 million cash. Have them call in when they hear gunshots.
Is there a tool that will help Illinois voters detect political bullshit? They seem incapable of doing so at the moment, and keep voting the same criminals into office.
Or is it that the savages outnumber decent people and want criminals in office to further their savage goals?
Things that make you go, hmmm.
Who got that contract and where's my end?
Somehow 30 years ago we managed to find where the shots were being fired. Pitiful stumble bums that we were.
To the Lt who posted about the pension hearings: you failed to point out that the # of sworn contributing was begrudgingly provided only after Ald. Tunney insisted. Same with how many cops qualifly for retirement. The gasps were audible when Tunney said, "So almost a third of the police could retire tomorrow?"and the answer was "Yes."
The board did not want to answer those questions. It was pretty obvious that Tunney was trying to get the real # of cops instead of the BS # they get from the Dept.
"Somehow 30 years ago we managed to find where the shots were being fired. Pitiful stumble bums that we were."
--10/28/2012 10:42:00 AM
Yeah, well, you are a "Neanderthal."
This was posted on the web by an IT "professional."
"You gotta understand the police mentality. They resist any kind of change, more so if it's going to make them busy and even more if it'll get them in trouble. Picture highschool, if you will. Remember the jocks on the football team? By and large, it's the same mentality."
"Police aren't unbiased either. If a tool (or effective policing) pushes crime out of an area, you don't need as many police officers in that area, do you? And if it works in one part of the city, it'll probably work in others. That means layoffs...police have little incentive to effectively enforce the law. "
"Sorta similar to firefighters...We just don't need nearly as many firefighters these days."
...but everybody better come on the double when there is "a noise" by Mr. IT's window or he'll sue.
"People scurrying around with papers in hand "looking busy" while robbing the joint blind.
"Heh... Fuck even pretending shit is on the up and up?
"Bunch of grifters, freebooters, bojank artists and highwaymen."
--10/27/2012 11:20:00 PM
Whole gleaming mirror-glass office towers full of them.
Money goes in, and CO2, sewage, and waste paper comes out.
It's a stark picture.
OK , step up boy and girls in blue
make a case report for every call of Shots Fired detected by new technology . It is against the law to discharge a firearm in the city of chicago .
time to give chicago their moneys worth , no more unfounded 19-p
case report for every call
I am retiring and have been offered a position of Director of Services for the Shot Spotter Program, I will not be entitled to any 2nd pension but I will get a take home car and $87,000 a year. I will direct which areas get the system and decide what area gets them, I will get to hire 25 people to man the center, all retired coppers.
Didn't RAHMass get alot of Money for California Business Assholes ?
OK , step up boy and girls in blue
make a case report for every call of Shots Fired detected by new technology . It is against the law to discharge a firearm in the city of chicago .
time to give chicago their moneys worth , no more unfounded 19-p
case report for every call
your right and make reports for everything fuck comstat...
"Who got that contract and where's my end?"
If you're asking you obviously don't have the political connections...it's Chicago, y'know!
If anybody gives a shit, will it be spotted?
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