Sunday, December 23, 2012

What "Assault Weapons?"

  • Well from the CPDs own 2011 Murder analysis report we have some data...
    433 Total murders in Chicago
    361 were shooting victims 83% - Page 22.
    Then it gets confusing for the mayor (and cops since the numbers change a little on page 23, but are close, they state 361 shooting murders, then on page 23 say its 362).

    351 were shot with a pistol.
    1 was shot with a rifle.
    5 with a shotgun.
    and 5 "unknown".

    Assuming ALL of the unknowns are rifle shot. We can't say these are even "assault rifles" but lets assume even though statistically all unknowns being rifles and all being assault rifles is a reach.

    That's 6. SIX total, as compared to 351 with all the assumptions in the mayor's favor. More than likely none of them were rifle shot (seeing how known incidents show a 1:351 ratio of rifles to pistols).

    So basically an assault weapons ban does nothing, even if you could magically collect them all right?

    1 out of 362 is 0.27% of the murders...
    6 out of 362 is 1.6% assuming all of the numbers fall the Mayor's way.
So the fact remains that in Chicago at least,  "assault weapons" aren't used to kill people.  And banning them would make absolutely no sense whatsoever.  Unless you were looking to ban everything at some point.

Darn those statistics anyway!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

12/23/2012 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Well, if we're going to ban "assault weapons", we're going to also have to ban baseball bats, fists, pocket knives and knives in general.

Since according to the homicide report, they're all responsible for equal or more deaths than "assault weapons".

Who cares abour facts, though.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste", right Rahm?

12/23/2012 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those rifles scare politicians because they know that it gives people the ability to rid themselves of tyrants. That's what the Second Amendment is about, but they want you to believe it's about hunting or self defense.

Ever wonder why an anti gun city arms it's aldermen? Why they ALL have guns but don't want you to have them? Why don't they give theirs up first to set an example? Yeah, that's what we all thought.

12/23/2012 01:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to Mayor Bloomberg's math he claims that homicides by guns will exceed traffic highway deaths by 2015

Makes sense to me. Not necessarily because there will be more guns though.

With less people being able to afford to drive or drive on vacations and such because of economic conditions the number of traffic deaths should fall.

Additionally because less people are driving they come into contact with the criminal element outside of their protected four wheel cages. So no surprise more Apple picking, robberies, homicides as the clueless become the victims of the impoverished.

Certainly not a reason to call for gun bans.

12/23/2012 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of bans, how'z that drug ban going? Heroin is still here. Cocaine is still here. Weed is still here.

It's all banned and it all comes across the border and there's no will what-so-ever to shut down the source of the problem.

No War on Drugs anymore?

In the 1960~70's were the politicians not all whining about the senseless drug deaths thereby declaring the War on Drugs?

Same as it ever was. This time it's a gun mantra being used to justify their jobs and existence.

12/23/2012 02:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The first act of a tyrant is to disarm his subjects!

The second act is to do anything he wants to do!

12/23/2012 03:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

once upon a time, there were three knuckleheads.

papa knucklehead, mama knucklehead and baby knucklehead.

they lived their knuckleheaded lives within the knucklehead castle, called, as you might imagine, Knucklehead Headquarters.

each and every knucklehead day, of each and every knucklehead week, of each and every knucklehead month, of each and every knucklehead year, the papa knucklehead and the mama knucklehead dedicated themselves to teaching the baby knucklehead every possible knucklheaded thing that they knew so well.

knuckleheaded thoughts, knucklehead feelings, knuckleheaded theories, knuckleheaded strategies, knuckleheaded techniques, knuckleheaded philosophies, knuckleheaded skills, knuckleheaded attitudes, knuckleheaded vocabularies, knuckleheaded legalities, sheeeeet, every possible variation on being knuckleheaded, the papa knucklehead and the mama knucklehead knuckle-pounded into dat poor baby knucklehead's knucklehead.

their efforts, being eventually successful, we have, thus, inherited our present, inbred cabal of 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation knuckleheads, aka the dumbocratic party of crook county, illinois.

mama and papa knucklehead would be proud, if they weren't rotting in their graves.

12/23/2012 04:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The statistics are similar throughout the country. Banning so called assault weapons will have little or no difference in actual crime....

12/23/2012 05:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all good points made....
as said, gun ban? like the ban on drugs, while it comes into the country by the ton?
illegal immigrant ban? many million illegals are here now?
gun ban? do any of these political dummies think, for one minute, that Americans would voluntarily surrender their weapons "to the state"?...they can't be that crazy, or irrational.....can they?

12/23/2012 07:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, since deployment, haven't more people been killed with assault rifles BY the police than police shot by criminals with assault weapons? Just saying. Does anyone have the count of bad guys going to their just reward via CPD M4 style carbine?

12/23/2012 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So under this rationale should we ban hand guns again?

12/23/2012 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous rosco said...

America has become the "Somalia" of the western world.

12/23/2012 08:18:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

Your stats are impressive SCC.

Just like you.

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

12/23/2012 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's an assault rifle?

12/23/2012 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More jobs will be lost in Illinois.

Illinois gun manufacturers could be affected by weapons ban
14 hours ago • Kurt Erickson |

SPRINGFIELD – Gov. Pat Quinn’s push to ban semiautomatic weapons is again raising questions about the loss of manufacturing jobs in western Illinois.

A handful of gun manufacturers clustered near the Quad-Cities have threatened to leave the state when previous attempts to ban so-called assault weapons were floated by the governor, his predecessor or individual lawmakers.

Since 2008, however, only one of five companies has left the state. Les Baer Customs, which had about two dozen employs, crossed the Mississippi from its Hillsdale location and settled in LeClaire, Iowa.

Mark Westrom, owner of Geneseo-based ArmaLite, said the manufacturers are still developing a strategy to deal with the latest calls for a ban on the state and national level.

“We’re considering our actions,” Westrom told the Lee Enterprises Springfield Bureau..

12/23/2012 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a Lunatic is carring a rifle towards a School,He is going to stand out, so you can prepare yourself sooner than somebody who is hiding s handgun and pulls it out when you least expect it.

12/23/2012 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The numbers are wrong. I know of at least 5 murders where an AK was used in that time frame. The same AK was used in two of those murders.

The computer data is wrong, probably because it was never inputted correctly.

12/23/2012 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are vehiclular homicides counted or included in the analysis report?

12/23/2012 11:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gov. Quinn wanted to ban assault weapons in Illinois even though there were only 4 rifle murders in all of Illinois for 2010 and 2011 combined. Now this was before the Newtown shooting. Looney Lanza would have slaughtered those kids with the handguns he had with him. The democrats should be honest, they want all guns banned and think banning semi-automatic rifles is the first step.

12/23/2012 02:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

*Hee-Hee! what if I put this upyer, ya know... Upyer butt?*

12/23/2012 03:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon said
"The numbers are wrong. I know of at least 5 murders where an AK was used in that time frame. The same AK was used in two of those murders.

The computer data is wrong, probably because it was never inputted correctly."

Oh? can you point to those cases?
These stats are specific from the CPD murder report.
And when you say from an "AK" I am assuming you recovered the weapon? vs being able to say the caliber of the round.

In either case, you can also look at the FBI national stats, the %'s are about the same, so go pound sand.

12/23/2012 05:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many perps are caught w/assault rifles?Dumbass politicians.

12/24/2012 03:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12/23/2012 12:17:00 AM

Thank you for that Christmas gift

12/24/2012 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do believe that Cook County has had an assault weapons ban on the books for a few years now. They actually list the models that are illegal according to county law.

12/24/2012 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we the people actually get our mitts on this report?

12/27/2012 06:02:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

Don't say perps.

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

12/28/2012 05:44:00 PM  

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