Concealed Carry "Meetings"
Madigan has scheduled some public hearings, but the point may be moot:
- In Illinois, it’s been more about guns than the state’s gaping pension debt this winter. And that is not about to change, as the top Democratin Illinois has set the agenda for at least one major overhaul of the state’s gun laws.
House Speaker Mike Madigan on Thursday set a pair of public hearings for later this month to focus on concealed-carry legislation.
“In light of events in recent months in Illinois and in other parts of the country, it’s appropriate and necessary that we give a full vetting to proposed state legislation on this matter,” Madigan said.
Illinois is the only state in the nation that does not allow people to carry a weapon in some fashion and with some regulations.
Madigan said the hearings, one in Chicago and the other at the state Capitol, will give advocates, opponents and police officers a chance “to offer their views and argue their cases to legislators and the people of Illinois.”
But the case for concealed carry already may be closed.
In December, a federal appeals court struck down Illinois’ law that stops people from carrying a weapon.
And Todd Vandermyde, a lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association, said that ruling closed the door on many of the “negotiations” that surrounded concealed carry legislation in the past.
"There are certain things that are not negotiable in the process," Vandermyde said last week at a public hearing.
Concealed carry “will be a ‘shall issue’ permit, there will be no discretion by some bureaucrat as to whether you get to exercise your right,” he said.
“It will be a statewide permit, there will be no carve-out for Chicago. There will be no carve-out for Cook County,” Vandermyde said.
The entire article is a quick read and sets the stage for what might happen later this year. The Chicago hearing is scheduled for 22 February, but a location isn't posted in this article. The Illinois Senate hasn't scheduled anything at all, so there's still a lot of theater in store.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Well this gun control agenda on a national level may have just shifted to the back burner.
Tonight North Korea set off an 11 kt nuc test and South Korea is at WATCHCON 2 (vital indications of threat), which is just one step below WATCHCON 1 (wartime situation).
The South Korean Pres. is in a bunker and has called for an emergency UN Security Council meeting.
Japan has dispatched ASDF recon to measure any possible airborne radiation and is reviewing any additional sanctions as one of their options.
Today's State of the Union speech should be interesting given those events as North Korea has been putting out threats to the US most of the night.
You know, everyone should stop saying that Illinois is the only state not to allow concealed carry. I have friends in California who tell me it's next to impossible to obtain a concealed carry permit, unless you're friends with a sheriff (not a deputy, but THE elected sheriff) of a county. He or she issues the permits. So it's not really true about Illinois being the only state not to issue permits; it some states, you've got to be one connected SOB to be able to get your ccw permit approved (oh, and did I mention that in California, it costs $500 with your application, and if it's denied, your money is NOT refunded?). I don't know when Illinois is going to legally allow concealed carry, but I'm willing to bet that the connected are going to be at the front of the line first when it happens, and the rest of us will be waiting a while.
Since no hearings are scheduled for America (downstate), trust that the audience in Shitcago will be packed with ringers: rebrunds, bangers, dead bangers' famblies, etc.
WHAT: Village Council Meeting to Consider Gun Bans, Licensing, and Registration
WHERE: Northbrook Village Hall, 1225 Cedar Ln, Northbrook, IL 60062
WHEN: Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 7:30 PM
(plan to be there by 6:45 so you can get a seat)
WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT:
North suburban gun control groups are trying to establish a foothold to implement their plans to ban your guns, register you like a sex offender, and otherwise infringe upon your 2^nd Amendment rights. These people must be stopped or their efforts will grow like an epidemic. The northern suburbs are fertile ground for the gun grabbers, it is up to law-abiding gun owners from across Illinois to nip these gun control plans in the bud. THIS IS NOT JUST A NORTHBROOK PROBLEM – IT IS A PROBLEM FOR EVERY ILLINOIS FIREARM OWNER!
We need as many lawful firearm owners at this event as possible. Remember to be at the site by 6:45 PM so that the gun controllers cannot pull their old trick of closing the doors early so as to deny you your right to speak in defense of our Constitution.
Be sure to wear NRA, ISRA or IGOLD shirts and hats – we want to fill the room with a see of gold.
If you have a smart phone, be sure to record what goes on at the hearings.
Remember to be polite, but assertive when defending your rights. Seek out members of the press and tell them you are a law abiding firearm owner and that you are sick and tired of being made a scapegoat for criminals and the unsupervised mentally ill.
Please distribute this alert to your friends and family.
Please post this alert to any and all internet bulletin boards or blogs to which you belong.
Remember: Gun control is a disease, and you are the cure.
I will believe it when I see it.
This is the land of elected offices passed down in families and midnight bulldozers.
Chicago/Cook polititions won't let the law get in their way.
Watch and see !
By Jessica Chasmar
The Washington Times
Monday, February 11, 2013
Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy implored the press Monday to stop characterizing the city as being strict on guns.
"One of the things that I would like to again try to clear up, and I ask you to please stop adopting the rhetoric of the gun advocates," Mr. McCarthy said. "Chicago does not have strict gun laws."
"The state of Illinois does not have strict gun laws," he continued.
Despite the superintendent's claims, Chicago has some of the strictest gun-control mandates in the country. "Assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines are completely banned and, until a 2010 Supreme Court decision, so were handguns.
Residents now can get a permit to own a gun, but the process requires training, background checks and a firearm owner's identification card.
Mr. McCarthy, flanked by Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, told reporters that the state needs mandatory minimum sentences for criminals, saying that increasing punishments will help prevent guns from coming into the Chicago from the outside.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/11/police-superintendent-chicago-no-strict-gun-laws/#ixzz2KfvYYKrT
The only meetings that need to take place now are:
Mutt, meet Gun (carried by victim)
then....
Mutt, meet Chalkie !
016th District warrior locked up a guy after returning from gun range for having an unloaded carbine in his trunk. Legal, but not in Chicago. Way to go, soldiers of Rahm. I take it you're no Oath Keepers.
King Crook Madigan wants to hold hearings on the 2nd Amendment. I pray someday to attend his arraignment hearing...
illinoiscarry.com
please visit, and get involved.
EVERY gun owner in the state of Illinois that wishes to maintain "ownership status" should become a member of the Illinois State Rifle Association.
a membership to SAF, GOA and NRA as well.
The dummycrats of Illinois don't want any of their sheep to have any freedoms or privilages granted to thier sheep by the US Constitution fearing they might learn something and turn on them!
To get your own permit you'll probably have to show just cause to need a permit. (jewelry store owner,etc.)
They are considering locations where a gun won't be allowed such as shopping malls, bars, theaters, schools, parks, etc.... The kicker will be they will allow private businesses to post signs "no firearms allowed". So places like 7-11 can say they don't want firearms and if you do so it will be against the law.
Is Chicago's registration also out of the new law and not negotiable?
I am moving to Houston to simply get the hell out of IL, Crook Cty and Chi. Mike Madigan and the rest of his
cronies have ruined the broke state of IL and yet the
Dumbocratic machine keeps reelecting the same knuckleheads who only care about themselves.
So good luck IL and the ones out there with any
common sense...move to FL or Tx. IL is dead.
The concealed carry bill is in the house. Hb 0997. Call your reps and senators tell them to vote for it. It currently has 41 sponsors/cosponsors. It needs 71 to be veto proof and will overrule Chicago's home rule.
Don't you think the politician's time would be better spend trying to balance a budget or work on the penions problem.
I guess not.
Location is posted here:
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Madigan-Schedules-Hearings-On-Illinois-Gun-Legislation-190251231.html#ixzz2KFago9Hc
"The House Judiciary Committee hearings take place at noon Feb. 19 in Room 114 of the State Capitol in Springfield and 10 a.m. Feb. 22 in the sixth floor committee room of the Michael A. Bilandic Building in Chicago."
Will Donnie Trotter be there to talk about airport security and concealed weapons?
Quit wasting time and pass it dems may not like it but they MUST eat it.For once the people have spoken.
Come on did you really think Madigan would allow something in Springfield to happen with out it looking like he was in control of it or it was his Idea.....Knee kiss the ring and go get your shine box
DATE AND TIME INFORMATION
The meeting is scheduled for 10am at
THE MICHAEL A. BILANDIC BUILDING.
160 North LaSalle Street, Chicago.
6th floor conference room
Anonymous said...
016th District warrior locked up a guy after returning from gun range for having an unloaded carbine in his trunk. Legal, but not in Chicago. Way to go, soldiers of Rahm. I take it you're no Oath Keepers.
2/12/2013 07:07:00 AM
What's he doing in the guy's trunk?
while checking up on a FOID card i happened to ask the guy what's going on with CCW?
he replied we are making a new division with the FOID division to handle it so it's pretty much a "done deal" they would not spend the time or the $ if it wasn't going through of course they will make it hard for the average guy but this il and it's expected
I can never have a conceal weapon to protect myself nor my family, because the way the laws will be written I may/will make it impossible for me to obtain a permit. So...in the meantime, another law abiding citizen will have yet another one of his rights taken away from a politician, who is as corrupt as the criminals we put in jail. Yeah...this country is going the same way as Rome did, but worse.
To 8:36 What is 7-11 going to do? frisk you upon entry. Carry weapon, kill if you have to and fuck the consequences. D/C your weapon and your still alive. The hell with law you see how well it works. Oh, I forgot, you cannot kill an under privileged animal because he was changing his life. Old saying: There are those you can change the rest should be killed. Need I say more
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
016th District warrior locked up a guy after returning from gun range for having an unloaded carbine in his trunk. Legal, but not in Chicago. Way to go, soldiers of Rahm. I take it you're no Oath Keepers.
2/12/2013 07:07:00 AM
What's he doing in the guy's trunk?
2/12/2013 04:34:00 PM
Violating his Fourth Amendment rights to go along with violating his Second Amendment rights. Fuck this city and any punk that goes along with this.
From the bizarre and crazy files of Crook County; a UIC employee with a valid FOID and unloaded firearm, packed in a case was nevertheless arrested. He claimed he brought it to work because his home was being renovated. Why does this insanity keep happening? I sort of believe that if and when we get conceal carry in Illinois we will still get harassed and arrested, just because.
I like Tennessee's open carry law, to bad Illinois wouldn't follow
Anonymous said...
016th District warrior locked up a guy after returning from gun range for having an unloaded carbine in his trunk. Legal, but not in Chicago. Way to go, soldiers of Rahm. I take it you're no Oath Keepers.
2/12/2013 07:07:00 AM
What's he doing in the guy's trunk?
2/12/2013 04:34:00 PM
Violating his Fourth Amendment rights to go along with violating his Second Amendment rights. Fuck this city and any punk that goes along with this.
2/12/2013 10:04:00 PM
And... If the officer asked the direct question "do you have a gun in the car" without ressonable or probable cause, the correct answer from the driver should have been to not answeer the question. Let's add the 5th amendment to that list as well.
We have to tell these scum bag IL. politicians where to shove it and how far up. They forget they work for us these ass hats.People ,even democrats are really starting to hate the word "POLITICIAN" their arrogance and ego's are unreal. They may find themselves out of a job real soon. Read about them and vote their ass out of office if they don't take our wishes.
Regarding the arrest of a subject for carrying a rifle in the trunk of his car, the only charge I can think of you could put on the arrestee would be a failure to register/city. If the arrestee took the rifle outand used it at a range, it's very likely he has an FOID. I'd be surprised if a competent w/c would even approve a UUW charge on this one.
Anonymous said...
Quit wasting time and pass it dems may not like it but they MUST eat it.For once the people have spoken.
2/12/2013 01:46:00 PM
maybe you weren't paying attention....
it's not a matter of getting a bill on the floor for a vote.
we did that last year with HB148.
It's about making sure we have enough reps behind the bill so quinn can't veto it.
THAT'S the challenge.
so it's not a matter of "wasting time"
what's truly "wasted" right now, are the efforts by most gun owners....
have you called your rep?
have you "memebered-up" to the ISRA or NRA?
have you attended a town hall?
have you marched downtown or springfield?
According to a California Police Chief, guns are NOT defensive weapons:
http://youtu.be/iBi7OeAohok
Not sure if this has already been posted:
Police superintendent: ‘Chicago does not have strict gun laws’
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/11/police-superintendent-chicago-no-strict-gun-laws/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
Who the fuck is Garry McSuckRahmsCock think he's trying to fool???
"And... If the officer asked the direct question "do you have a gun in the car" without reasonable or probable cause, the correct answer from the driver should have been to not answeer the question. Let's add the 5th amendment to that list as well."
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Thank you for the insight, SCC! This is just one of many reasons I've become an SCC Blog junkie...
If you cant go to the meeting you can still file a witness slip voicing your opinion. This is read and added to the official meeting transcript.
Go to this link and follow the instructions. http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=34533
Anonymous said...
We have to tell these scum bag IL. politicians where to shove it and how far up. They forget they work for us these ass hats.People ,even democrats are really starting to hate the word "POLITICIAN" their arrogance and ego's are unreal. They may find themselves out of a job real soon. Read about them and vote their ass out of office if they don't take our wishes.
2/13/2013 01:13:00 AM
What about the scum bag officers who grab guns? They are more fucked up than the politicians, who are supposed to be fucked up. Discretion is how we get around their stupidity.
Anonymous said...
Regarding the arrest of a subject for carrying a rifle in the trunk of his car, the only charge I can think of you could put on the arrestee would be a failure to register/city. If the arrestee took the rifle outand used it at a range, it's very likely he has an FOID. I'd be surprised if a competent w/c would even approve a UUW charge on this one.
2/13/2013 05:04:00 AM
The fact is, that it happened. The guy did have a valid FOID and doesn't live in the city. Just passing through on his way home. You have to be a major bitch to do this to a legitimate citizen.
Anonymous said...
Regarding the arrest of a subject for carrying a rifle in the trunk of his car, the only charge I can think of you could put on the arrestee would be a failure to register/city. If the arrestee took the rifle outand used it at a range, it's very likely he has an FOID. I'd be surprised if a competent w/c would even approve a UUW charge on this one.
2/13/2013 05:04:00 AM
The key words are "competent w/c". Many of them are gun haters and will go along with it.
And the fail to register only applies to Chicago residents, (I've seen w/c's ignore that little fact). I had to explain to one that it's like writing a guy from Cicero for not having a Chicago city sticker on his car.
Not sure if this has already been posted:
Police superintendent: ‘Chicago does not have strict gun laws’
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/11/police-superintendent-chicago-no-strict-gun-laws/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
Who the fuck is Garry McSuckRahmsCock think he's trying to fool???
A point if I may. The 1982 Chicago Gun Ordinance removed a citizens ability to Register a Firearm with "the appropriate authorities" and did nothing to actually ban guns. Since Chicago has always had a Firearm registration ordinance in the books, that was the big deal. Could still get your FOID and buy a gun in the burbs legally...could still buy ammo legally. But you could get screwed with a UUW in Chicago even though you had followed state laws. It isn't difficult to get a gun in Illinois if you are a stand up citizen.
The registration ban is what was unconstitutional. Because it illegally hampered the citizens right to legally practice the 2nd Amendment in this city.
Now this is welcome news!
"The Illinois Sheriffs Association became the last to join the growing crowd of police opposed to Obama, arguing this week that the president should instead be focused on mental health, not gun hardware."
Read the full article here:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2521564#.UR1mrej79_U.twitter
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Regarding the arrest of a subject for carrying a rifle in the trunk of his car, the only charge I can think of you could put on the arrestee would be a failure to register/city. If the arrestee took the rifle outand used it at a range, it's very likely he has an FOID. I'd be surprised if a competent w/c would even approve a UUW charge on this one.
2/13/2013 05:04:00 AM
The key words are "competent w/c". Many of them are gun haters and will go along with it.
And the fail to register only applies to Chicago residents, (I've seen w/c's ignore that little fact). I had to explain to one that it's like writing a guy from Cicero for not having a Chicago city sticker on his car.
2/14/2013 07:48:00 AM
He didn't live in the city, so he didn't have to register with the socialist scum gun grabbers in this city. Do you really believe that normal Americans should be stopped and arrested in Chicago for what is legal in the rest of Illinois and have their property confiscated?
We truly do live in a banana republic, This city is shameful in its unconstitutional actions. I hope anyone associated with this illegal and unconstitutional action pays dearly.
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