Contract Settled?
The sergeants, not the FOP:
- Sergeants,
We have recently completed the negotiation phase in securing a new collective bargaining agreement. The agreement addresses the concerns brought to the contract committee by the membership through the contract survey, as well as the many emails, phone calls, and conversations we’ve had with many of you.
We believe this to be an excellent agreement that gives each of us a modest raise without forfeiting any of the important benefits gained through previous contracts. These negotiations not only addressed the collective bargaining agreement, but also forged a collective comprehensive plan to ensure that each of us would receive the pensions that we worked so hard for.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
131 Comments:
Huh. Go figure.
Could fop have been settled by now had they sent the infamous letter?
thought our pensions were already secure per pervious contracts?
Oh yea! How much are you getting and how much of that is actually going towards pension bump up. At the end maybe a 1% raise a year's after four, once u take away the 1.5% Of pension contribution that they are hitting u with
You believe in pensions, I'll believe in unicorns.
Wtf, I'm a sgt and this is the first I'm hearing of this. Where was this posted?
check your e-mail sarge. Ade does everything by e-mail
Of course the Sgts are aiming low, they'll let the fop do the battle for pay and use the me to clause. One union united, but no we're better than you.
I'm deferring my compensation into bulk 5.56 ammo
How do you "negotiate" pensions? I always thought they were regulated by the legislature. Sounds like maybe the Sgts cut a deal that fucks everyone else.
How can they "ensure" the pensions through bargaining? The pensions of all (sgts and not) are constitutionally guaranteed. Hope the sgt union can explain what they mean. Did they get add-ons to the pension and is that why they're saying something was obtained during bargaining?
When us next sgt class
Anonymous said...
You believe in pensions, I'll believe in unicorns.
2/11/2013 02:17:00 AM
I've got a pension and a unicorn. Nice unicorn I walk twice a day.
I thought our pensions were a contractural agreement between the employee and the employer and the constitution guarantees the pension benefits to not be deminished or impaired. Thought I read that somewhere? Or am I confusing that with the oath that I took about putting my sorry ass on the line for society and working holidays, cancelled days off, etc.. God I am such an ass!
"Anonymous said...
Wtf, I'm a sgt and this is the first I'm hearing of this. Where was this posted?"
2/11/2013 02:23:00 AM
Must not be much of a Sergeant that you look to sites to see where your contract info is "Posted"! Like the rest of us sergeants I suggest you check your CPD Webmail once in a while instead of checking blog sites all day!
Patrolmen, Sergeants, Lieutenants...no matter how you slice it, A DAY IS A DAY. So why are furloughs cut to hours by the city. We are all getting RIPPED OFF! Among other points in the contract address this. Blank amount of working days off means just that, not the city stealing our furloughs to line their pockets WITH OUR TIME!
Yes the P.B.P.A. has been blessed with the fine leadership of Sgt. James Aide. First we had Sgt J.P. who negotiated the entire last contract on his own without accepting any type of advice from fellow sergeants. He went on to glory by stealing our union funds right under the nose of my fellow sergeants whose job it was to observe a series of checks and balances but decided to look the other way. Now J. A. steps up to the plate and states that this will never happen again and that new safe guards are in place to prevent this type of occurance from ever happening again. J.A. stated at our meetings that he would listen to our membership and also seek the advice of our board. Guess what happened? Our fine leader negotiated this contract on his own and stated that he had received direction from the hand full of responses that were returned to the union after being sent out to all sergeants asking them to list what they felt was most important. Our negotiating team along with alternatives were told that their imput was not needed. We had intelligent sergeants walk away disgusted. I was informed that the sergeants contract has a me too clause that would save us money by letting the FOP negotiate and pay for arbitration. So dont expect much from this contract and hope that the FOP stands fast and does some actual bargaining with the city. Our leader is getting to the end of his career and was only concerned with not losing any of his benefits.
Anonymous said...
thought our pensions were already secure per pervious contracts?
2/11/2013 01:09:00 AM
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Your pension is secured via the State constitution.
Can't wait to see what they are taking away . They say a good comprehensive contract with a modest pay increase while not losing important contractual rights ! Read the proposed contract when it comes carefully . It's never good when we loose rights we have fought for just to get a pay raise. Who determines what's an important contractual right ? I smell a bad deal !
What is Ade getting ?
Why VOLOUNTARILY negotiate on the pension issue when behind closed doors they are planning laws to do that.
Then they join the Health solutions which doesn't works and spend various days a month calling for you or your spouse because the system lost their info and get nothing in return
And then you give these up and settle for small wage increase and no doubt gave up rights?
Without seeing it this sounds like a resounding no vote
did the sergeants give up uniform allowance to keep 45 min a day comp time and $5,600 a year in quarterly OT checks for doing nada.
That's why we were promoted to Sergeant , we know how to deal with the Mayor . Our contract is good , didn't give up much to keep our pension and benefits .
How do the sergeants negotiate a pension deal when that shit is governed by state law, not a CBA?
Something stinks here.
Sergeants being led by the King of All Deals,
dont forget they have a me to clause
Go figure. The City picked the wimpiest union to cut a deal with. Hopefully the working Sarges tell Rahm and the suckholes to shove it.
No thanks for a new contract. Just leave it as it is. I know the next one won't have any type of raise but an increase in our share of the medical insurance and a loss of other benefits. FOP cn't do anything.
"...receive the pensions we worked so hard to receive..."
I would feel a lot better if they added "exact same" after the "the".
Can Mike be this dumb that he didnt know the supervisors were finished when he released our proposals. We will be hard pressed to get a big raise now! Mike is totally incompetent.
I've been the spanker and the spankee. I hope we aren't the spankees on this one.
Did the negotiating team ever bother to consult with our ELECTED pension board rep? Doubt it. Should be an interesting meeting Tuesday....
The city and Mike Madigan have been negotiating with Fire Local 2 and the Sergeant's Union over pensions (possibly kicking in 2% more???)
HOWEVER, the FOP, lieutenants and Captains unions have NOT been in the mix.
This is a typical divide and conquer technique on Madigan's part.
Ade is a real dope.
And screw the L-Tees.
The L-Tees are out for themselves and do not care about down the line ramifications for the other unions.
Same Shit, Different Day.
I am calling BS on this. Sergeants cannot change pensions for just themselves, and they can't do it for everyone else either.
check your e-mail sarge. Ade does everything by e-mail
2/11/2013 04:37:00 AM
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Yeah? Well, he sure hasn't been answering any lately.
The Sergeants negotiate very little. Most of their contract is settled on what the FOP receives. Basically, like a me too clause They don't negotiate discipline, Insurance, etc. etc.
Anonymous said...
check your e-mail sarge. Ade does everything by e-mail
2/11/2013 04:37:00 AM
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Lighten up. A wise move in my mind.
Let me guess what their contract looks like:
1st line bump in pay
Last line we want everything the FOP
asked for too!
The board at the Sargent Union did not even know millions were being used unlawfully what a bunch of future leaders of this department!
Vote No, don't believe the pension bullshit!
I heard from a good source (words from hell)that the sgt's gave in on the pension issue.We will have to pay 12% more and the City walks away paying the same. If this is true Ade has got to go. He was on the board when Palahausky stole from us and now he gives in a pensions.
Let's wait and see. Maybe it is good.
What is increase from July thru January?2013?
Duhhhhh my email??
Can we continue to wear are baseball caps?
I am a Sergeant and I want to know why the PBPA is getting involved in my pension. Who is setting up a nice after retirement job for themselves as a Rahm foot soldier. They will deny it now, but mark my words, one of them is slated to be a fraud investigator with the IG when it is time to move on. Just figure out which person on the contract committee is a 'CFE". SELLOUTS
Does anyone actually think we can get more than 1%-1.5% a year. Everyone hates us, the city's economy is in ruin-I'LL be happy to keep the benifits we have and make a couple extra bucks a week.
Take whatever you can get even if you break even. Otherwise you will surely be screwed.
http://www.suntimes.com/18157927-761/city-police-sergeants-union-strike-deal-on-raises-pensions.html
Agreement is Sun Times Seems like the Sgts association didnt inform the sgts
Jimmy Ade, sucking up to City Hall. Anyone surprised?
Anonymous said...
Wtf, I'm a sgt and this is the first I'm hearing of this. Where was this posted?
2/11/2013 02:23:00 AM
WTF??? This was on your union website several days ago. Try backing away from Honey Boo Boo and keep an eye on important issues that impact your life.
How motivated is Tom Plienes the ex FOP current BPBA attorney? Mikey's first move in office was to fire the guy that get a contract for the Sgt's... Hmmmmm
Yet MORONS will continue to generate revenue to please these ungrateful Company Men.
I could be wrong, but I thought that we already have a guaranteed Pension. Why would we need to negotiate for a plan that is already guaranteed to us?
Now on the other hand, perhaps you meant that you negotiated changes to our current plan, and if that is the case I'm sure we would all be VERY INTERESTED to find out what kind of pension benefits that the sergeant's union have negotiated on our behalf.
Leave it to the supervisors to be the first to jump in bed with Rahm. Looks like Local 2 is next. Pathetic.
Hope the sgts grow a sack and vote it down
Suntimes copies scc again and prints same wording in today's paper. I want a job there.
So now it's a double guarantee?
Hey hair gels , sgts will have a pension when we retire . We didn't give up much to keep our current benefits .
Anonymous said...
thought our pensions were already secure per pervious contracts?
2/11/2013 01:09:00 AM
While you were typing this Sarge, they elected Rahm Emmanuel Mayor.
Get with it brother.
As far as money is concerned, what would an arbitrator award?
ANSWER:
In this economy he would award NO MORE than 2% a year.
MANY people have lost there jobs around the country. MANY more have taken pay cuts to stay in business.
By taking a 10% raise over 4 years and avoiding arbitration is not a bad move.
The question is how much more will we be expected to kick back to the pension? The 2% that we get?
The Sgt's Association had an agreement the last contract too. The members voted it down because we thought the raise was too small.
Then the economy crashed and the arbitrator stuck it to us. We have balls, but at the wrong time. It will be interesting to see what the offer is.
sgts are forgoing the me-too clause this time. if they settle, they are on their own. policemen, dont settle, go to arbitration, the arbitrator cant make settlement on pension, its a constitutional amendment. If we settle like the sgts, then rahm can do whatever he wants, DONT FALL FOR THE TRAP.
Anonymous said...
When us next sgt class
2/11/2013 06:07:00 AM
Translation: When is the next sgt class?
U not be on it
Translation: You won't be on it
http://www.suntimes.com/18157927-761/city-police-sergeants-union-strike-deal-on-raises-pensions.html
Agreement is in Sun Times Seems like the Sgts association didnt inform the sgts
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uh, listen kid . .
THIS is how it works:
#1. Sergeant's President sent out email to ALL sergeant's Saturday night at 9 p.m.
#2. Someone copy and pasted the email on the second city cop blog.
#3. The SCUM-times/Fran SPIELMAN reads the second city blog to get the story.
Try to keep up blueshirt..
maybe YOU will make sergeant one day.
Ade is a pud. Hard to believe he's Russ' son.
Maybe he's shell shocked since getting shitcanned by BR.
Anonymous said...
How motivated is Tom Plienes the ex FOP current BPBA attorney? Mikey's first move in office was to fire the guy that get a contract for the Sgt's... Hmmmmm
2/11/2013 03:41:00 PM
He's so motivated that between gigs at FOP and PBPA he tried to get hired by the Corp Counsel to negotiate CONTRACTS AGAINST THE POLICE. His name was even up on the wall at the Corp Counsel office!! Rahm said "no" to Plienes because he once represented Burge in a pension case. And Plienes was an OPS (now IPRA) investigator back in the day.
Sgts association is the same so called union who endorsed the Police hater Mary OConnor over Republican Maurita Gavin in the 41st Ward.OConnor has no use for the Police and Gavins brother is a copper in 024,they still endorsed Rahms lap dog OConnor.
Im a Sgt and heard about this so called contract agrrement on Saturday night via E-Mail from our Prez, it also said that they had agreed on pension issues, I don't know why or what our union would have to get involved with our pension, except to get into an agreement to include health benefits, I really don't trust anyone when it comes to my pension, Our pension board has be raided for years and now we are going to pay.
good. We can only pray that we get something as good. I will take 2 percent a year for the span of the contract without having to give anything up. Remember people, money is important, but not giving anything up is much more important. If we got 2 percent a year and dont have to pay anything more for medical etc then its a win for us. Way to many people who are blinded by money on this job and dont look at the bigger picture. Many complain about our last contract and how crappy it was but they have no idea how good it actually was. We got a raise in a terrible economy and were not hit with any other increases which means we saw the entire raise.. not to mention increased duty availibilty and uniform. Rest assured ladies and gents, this will not happen this time. Little mikey will go after the "BOOM" instead of doing it the smart way. He will look for a big cash reward for shock value to the troops that just wont be there. Hes already doing it. hes asking for 12 percent for two years.. what a stroke! If you want the city to play ball your way and on your field YOU WILL LOSE MIKE. You need to learn something called strategy and give and take. Shields knows that if he doesnt get big money this contract he will be gone because everyone who doesnt know better cries about money at contract time... so mike will do that and not fight as hard on the other smaller matters that add up huge. He will essentially turn over our entire contract and our luxuries for money. You dont have to believe me now, but if im right you idiots better not vote him in again.
Our leader is getting to the end of his career and was only concerned with not losing any of his benefits.
2/11/2013 07:21:00 AM
Then he's not a leader.
I heard from a good source (words from hell)that the sgt's gave in on the pension issue.We will have to pay 12% more and the City walks away paying the same. If this is true Ade has got to go. He was on the board when Palahausky stole from us and now he gives in a pensions.
And you voted him in???
I am calling BS on this. Sergeants cannot change pensions for just themselves, and they can't do it for everyone else either.
2/11/2013 10:09:00
Bot sure you are right. Technically they can't CHANGE the pension. but they can AGREE to a change Thats how all the pensions in other states were changed, by both sides agreeing to an increase in contributions and a freeze in certain benefits
Hey 7:21 a.m. GFY You were sent the survey like everyone else the pathetic return rate is not the union's fault it's the members. You could've attended any of numerous meetings to bring up your concerns but were probably too busy watching Moonshiners. Now deal with your decisions.
That's right boys and girls , we do have a me to clause . Wait and see , we did ok .
Hey hair gels , sgts will have a pension when we retire . We didn't give up much to keep our current benefits .
2/11/2013 05:34:00 PM
Hey Guy, you are the definition of a Hand Job. End of story.
"cause we were promoted and know how to deal with the mayor ..ladies and gentleman the next superintendent ..u sarge made me LOL .goof ..lost in Fillmore stop by Anytime I need a good laugh
I just heard 8% over 4 years and a 3% increase in pension contributions with COLA's chopped in half.
If that's true..........Ade OUT!
How motivated is Tom Plienes the ex FOP current BPBA attorney? Mikey's first move in office was to fire the guy that get a contract for the Sgt's... Hmmmmm
2/11/2013 03:41:00 PM
Yes, his first move was to fire him.
His next move was to cut him a confidential settlement check for that firing.
How's that working out for the funds at fop?
When do we get our retro check?
Fucking sellouts. We didn't give up much to keep our current benefits. You are one fucking stupid Sgt!
Anonymous said...
That's why we were promoted to Sergeant , we know how to deal with the Mayor .
Yeah, by kissing his ass.
Thank G-d I don't have to work with you in a beat car.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
When us next sgt class
2/11/2013 06:07:00 AM
Translation: When is the next sgt class?
U not be on it
Translation: You won't be on it
2/11/2013 06:48:00 PM
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Translation: You won't be IN it.
PUSSYS!!!!!
Vote it down
"Many people are losing there jobs" is not how u negotiate a contract!
U are an asset and most have degrees on this job.
Do you here about doctors and nurses being laid off?
How about doctors salaries going down.
U assume rahm can just put someone in your place by placing an add in the reader?
And pass a drug test?
No criminal record?
No mental disease?
Healthy enough to run and jump around?
No domestics?
And college?
Stick to getting discounts at Walmart with price match and leave Negotiation to the almost skilled at the union hall
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I just heard 8% over 4 years and a 3% increase in pension contributions with COLA's chopped in half.
If that's true..........Ade OUT!
2/11/2013 09:50:00 PM
you are kidding right ? If anyone in the police department thinks that they are not going to pay any more into the pension and keep the same benefits you are nuts. Seeing it is only about 40% funded and the public is not in a giving mood what do you think is going to happen ?
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Patrolmen, Sergeants, Lieutenants...no matter how you slice it, A DAY IS A DAY. So why are furloughs cut to hours by the city. We are all getting RIPPED OFF! Among other points in the contract address this. Blank amount of working days off means just that, not the city stealing our furloughs to line their pockets WITH OUR TIME!
2/11/2013 06:46:00 AM
Absolutely! It is benefit we had that was taken away with the last contract. Our schedule should not force a conversion of our contractual days off, into hours instead.
Yes the P.B.P.A. has been blessed with the fine leadership of Sgt. James Aide. First we had Sgt J.P. who negotiated the entire last contract on his own without accepting any type of advice from fellow sergeants. He went on to glory by stealing our union funds right under the nose of my fellow sergeants whose job it was to observe a series of checks and balances but decided to look the other way. Now J. A. steps up to the plate and states that this will never happen again and that new safe guards are in place to prevent this type of occurance from ever happening again. J.A. stated at our meetings that he would listen to our membership and also seek the advice of our board. Guess what happened? Our fine leader negotiated this contract on his own and stated that he had received direction from the hand full of responses that were returned to the union after being sent out to all sergeants asking them to list what they felt was most important. Our negotiating team along with alternatives were told that their imput was not needed. We had intelligent sergeants walk away disgusted. I was informed that the sergeants contract has a me too clause that would save us money by letting the FOP negotiate and pay for arbitration. So dont expect much from this contract and hope that the FOP stands fast and does some actual bargaining with the city. Our leader is getting to the end of his career and was only concerned with not losing any of his benefits.
2/11/2013 07:21:00 AM
This is why the patrolman is disgusted. If its not the captains selling out the Lt's one day, it's the Sgt's selling out the p.o.s. This is the second time they did this. First it was the health care checkup crap now this. You guys make me cringe.
That's why we were promoted to Sergeant , we know how to deal with the Mayor . Our contract is good , didn't give up much to keep our pension and benefits .
2/11/2013 08:22:00 AM
Your pension was already protected you numbskull. Who was taking it? You guys are acting like you averted an asteroid...whew, we keep our pension and benefits! You already voluntarily gave up your previous insurance for a substandard one. I can't wait to see how you guys screwed yourselves and everyone else. You piggyback on our contract, you should pay a $5 a month stipend for the privilege. As well as captains and Lt's who only look out for themselves during contract time yet piggy back on our negotiations. Hey FOP, put that suggestion down as a negotiation too.$5 a month for all ranks that wait fir us to complete their package. its only "fair share."
What idiots.
Anonymous said...
When do we get our retro check?
2/11/2013 10:00:00 PM
You can go down to the Credit Union and apply for a Retro Pay Anticipation Loan. You are good for up to $132.00 at 18%. Courtesy of Rahm.
Daley isn't looking so bad now is he?
Pleines worked undercover for the Corp Counsel's office infiltrating the firefighters during the strike. Don't ever forget that. Then he went to work for OPS. He IS NOT a friend of labor.
Bend over, Sergeants!
As long as we keep 45 minutes a day time due , $5 to 7 K a year in guaranteed overtime pay and our current pension plan the contract will pass .
Hey Sergeants.... I just took a look at the 2013 Health Insurance you guys agreed to. WOW! Thanks but no thanks. Terrible. Why would you guys take so many steps backwards? I think you fucked us too. An arbitrator will probably give us what you guys took. Sell outs!
Jeez, I'll have to remember all the nice words spoken about us Sgts next time I am asked for the early duck or two on the end, which always turns out to be more like three. How about we reserve judgement until the facts of the contract actually come to light and not on some B.S. from SCC bloggers or the Sun-Times.
It has been leaked that contract agreement for Sgts includes a 1% increase in pension cont for next 3 years and only a 2% raise. Net 1% raise a year. Additionally they want to raise retirement age to 53. Of course the union says this is great and they won't lose other benefits.
They can't touch our health ins anyway due to the wellness program agreement made outside of contract negotiations.
IMPORTANT.... If we let them raise the retirement age to 53 now, what makes anyone believe that they won't raise that age again and again.....just like our health insirance. If you let them in the door, it will never end, Do not ratify this agreement. Not only that, but nothing says the FOP will agree to it even if the Sgts and poss. lts do. Who are the idiots that thought this was a good idea.
http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/18180170-522/deal-with-sergeants-union-might-offer-solution-to-pension-crisis.html
Sgts screwed the po's and retirees and took care of old active sgts. Willing to take away part of the COLA for retirees because the pension has no money but then raises pension for themselves from 75% to 80% which takes money from the pension
Also get a raise of $1,000 for quarterly differential, not sure if that is annally or quarterly, while keeping the duty availablity and uniform allowance the same. So po's get no increase in Uniform allowance or duty availability, but sgts get an increase in quarterly. Thanks Sgts
No matter what happens with this contract proposal somebody wont be happy. The city and media says there is an agreement on the table. Vote it down we are money grabbing whores that hate the city and the taxpayer. Vote yes we are a bunch of jag bags to the FOP membership and we under cut them and their ALLEDGED leadership.
This proposal wants us to pay 12% to the pension fund until it is 90% funded and then annuitants will pay 10%
My biggest question to the city is. If we have always met OUR obligation to the city, Why do we have to pay more for OUR contractual benefit? Why isnt the city kicking in more to meet its contractual obligation along with us to fund it. Then, they can lower their obligations to the pension fund when its funded 90% like this bullshit contract says they will lower it to 10% again when its 90% funded? The misuse of the fund money as a slush fund for connected money managers and construction companies is a major reason for its underfunding, more than the economy. Or how about the city has to give up a vote or two on our pension board. What do ya say Rham Kick in alittle with us? Yeah thats what I thought
Don't do it ! Vote no! The city and union want you to give up your legislative rights and help the city pass legislation to amend the public act ! The city put it on the election ballot and was unsuccessfull. So lets get 9 percent pay increase and give 4 percent back to find our pension that the city should be funding ! Lets agree to retiring at minimum 53.. To name a few minor changes to the contract ... Haha! The PBpA has definitely got balls to unanimously vote for member ratification !
The Sgts should read the state constitution. Our pensions are already protected. Increase our contribution? Again, read the constitution. By state law, the city has until 2016 to have a funding mechanism in place to bring our pension funding levels to 90 pct within 30 yrs. This can be done via a bond issue , casino money or any of a number of ways without raising taxes. Still think that the Sgts union didn't sell out? They gave up half of their cola and agreed to increase their contribution for what guarentee? From Rahm? Just how dumb are these people? Unbelievable! And there are Sgts on this blog defending this garbage? Unbelievable!
I liken this sellout by the Payroll and Benevelent Association to the Fire Strike 33 years ago. Only seven percent of the Fire Department were Scabs and crosses the picket lines. Had those seven percent also went on strike it would have lasted less than 24 hours. The scabs that crossed those picket lines gave the city encouragement to fight our contract demands.
As far as our pension being protected by the Illinois Constitution, it is,
Unless that protection is negotiated away as it is being done by the PBPA.
If the Sgts. Agree to this contract they truly are clueless. If I were a Sgt. I would not only vote down this stupid concession, I would vote out the PBPA. There is strength in numbers and unity. This organization values neither. Every other union in the city is castigating this "unions"
Concession on our . If stealing over a million dollars wasn't enough to get the PBPA out this "contract"
Under cutting of our pension should be. The P B P A has got to be replaced by a real bargaining unit.
They have clearly shown they are a"tool" of management and Rahm.
And lastly to those IQ challenged Seargents who think the me too clause will give back what they are conversing on their pensions, me too does not cover that. Once you and PBPA give that away you are never going to see that again. You better read the rest of the fine print in that contract that they are trying to
Pass off on you. Thank God the Patrolman and Detectives have a real bargaining agent. And lastly on that subject to all those morons on this blog who have criticized FOR for asking for 12% over two years, it just shows how little you know about negotiations, have you never been to a shopping market in Mexico? Save the airfare and watch "pawn stars". You don't start the negotiations with the lowest price you will except. Daaaa
2/11/2013 09:50:00 PM
you are kidding right ? If anyone in the police department thinks that they are not going to pay any more into the pension and keep the same benefits you are nuts. Seeing it is only about 40% funded and the public is not in a giving mood what do you think is going to happen ?
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The only nut here is the one who thinks any non-negotiated increase in our pension percentage will ever stand a court challenge. You need to read up a bit there son. Unless this is just ADE trying to peddle his bullshit here to get the stupid and ignorant to sign onto his bullshit.
ALL of our pensions are protected by the constitution. If any ignorant fuck willingly pays MORE into the fund to make up for what the REST OF THE CITY'S TAXPAYERS NEVER PAID then they're as fucking soft as baby shit and don't deserve a fucking pension.
Don't be an ignorant fuck. Agreeing to pay more is for dumbfucks because it ain't gonna stop legislation to take even more away from you.
This fuck is trying to get you to agree to shit that he has no other authority to force on you, and people like you eat the shit up because you refuse to educate yourself on the subject but rather just believe the anti-pension bullshit.
Even a BANKRUPT city of Chicago STILL cannot get around the constitution. Pension protection through the courts would STILL provide that a pension be guaranteed.
2/12/2013 02:15:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Hey hair gels , sgts will have a pension when we retire . We didn't give up much to keep our current benefits .
2/11/2013 05:34:00 PM
Eh, yeah. Because YOU dumbfucks think you'll magically be singled out when they try to pass legislation against us. You're a fucking tool you moron. Even IF your fairytale dream came to rest on a piece of legislation, that fact ALONE would make it die in court in a heartbeat.
Your pathetic asskissing in no way, shape or form could ever give you immunity to legislation nor could that legislation ever pass the legal challenge of allowing a few dumbfuck sergeants to keep their pension while everyone got fucked.
Never gonna happen chickenshit... go vote the contract fool.
Here's one better. Give ME your 3 fucking percent every month and a guarantee you will never have your pension diminished.
Is that better dipshit?
I'm retired... you bargain away my COLA, I'll see you in Federal Court, and I'm coming after you punitively Ade... How the fuck do you bargain away my contractual benefits???
1% modest? WTF? Alderthieves, Rahm and most city hall employees get annual 5% raises! They want to stiff the police with a 1% raise? Sgt.'s union actually agreed to this?
It’s complete BULLSHIT that he (ADE) would negotiate the minimum retirement age to 53. With our life expectancy as police officers, we don’t need three less years to be eligible to collect a pension. Is it coincidence that he’ll just be getting to 28 years when he turns 53. So it doesn’t much matter for him. Was that a coincidence? And he has the nerve to tell everyone it’s a great contract.
Jeez, I'll have to remember all the nice words spoken about us Sgts next time I am asked for the early duck or two on the end, which always turns out to be more like three.
Get over yourself and your God Complex. What a goof
Can anyone explain why we are only asking for a 2 year contract for PO's? That hardly seems a fair exchange of work for the union. Is there some "strategery" there that I can't see?
Anonymous said...
Jeez, I'll have to remember all the nice words spoken about us Sgts next time I am asked for the early duck or two on the end, which always turns out to be more like three. How about we reserve judgement until the facts of the contract actually come to light and not on some B.S. from SCC bloggers or the Sun-Times.
2/12/2013 11:46:00 AM
You are a tool.
AN IMPORTANT NOTE, the items listed under "Pension Changes" Are NOT part of the contract as the city and us cannot make changes.
They are part of an agreeement for the city to introduce in the state house and that WE THE P.B.P.A. will SUPPORT these changes.
Both Sean Smoot (the P.B.P.A. lobbyist) for pensions and Mark McDermott a sergeant of ours on the state P.B.P.A. board say that this is a great agreement as it locks in improvements with very little given on our end. And that locking in a guaranty on the C.O.L.A. and getting the increase to 80% is unheard of in these times. Only going up to age 53 is a win as all of the states surrounding Illinois have gone up to age 55 with 3 forcing police to stay until 57.
As one of the unit reps said " the pension change train has left the station, we either get on and help ourselves or stand in front and get run over." AS TO THE OTHER PARTS WE HAVE GIVEN UP NOTHING.
No holiday or vacation givebacks like the teachers did. No loss of the uniform or shift differerential like Alderman Beals wanted us to, and no loss of our 3/4 a day like the press was complaining about.
Our health insurance cost stays at the current percentage. And even though Rahn was insistant on getting rid of the 55 and out totally, the union was able to secure it for the future with only a 2 percent cost.
The city really wanted it gone all together and it was the last thing agreeed on as the city finally caved on it.
Everybody said vote no on the last one. How did that work out for us? We got a great deal from the arbitrator didnt we? For once we are leading the rest in attempting to get this done.
Having the members increase the contribution is not "decreasing the benefit" so how is that against the constitution Rahm has stated he wanted a 5% increase all at once. He wanted NO C.O.L.A. for ten years.
They do this and we sue, where does it go to. The ILLINOIS SUPREME COURT with justice Ann Burke hows do you think that will work. And that would be it.
And allthough you didnt say this, there will be those who say we sold out the others. Even if we did, and I say we didnt, who cares. It is our associations job bargain for us, the active duty sergeant, not the retirees (The assoc. cant it is against the law to ) and certainly not worry about the FOP.
You know the FOP they are the ones who didnt lift a finger to help us win the right to organize.
They are the ones who blocked us from getting our own fop lodge because Nolan wanted the extra 1,300 members dues while being able to ignore us since we are so small compared to the blue shirts. they are the ones who didnt care that the nice size paygap between D2 and D3 was shrunk when they got D2A. They they were the ones who agreed to reimburse the city for the officers salary assigned to the lodge,(knowing that with 11,000 members paying it would not be a big deal), in order to win this D2A for the few Dicks, while not caring that we only have 1100 to pay for only 2 members assigned. We need to worry about US and this does. We lose nothing and gain a little.
In this economic and political climate. This is a Win.
From a sergeant who is still an FOP member:
Just so EVERYONE knows!!
Downstate will go ahead with these changes and EVERYONE .. ALL Chicago Police officers and Firemen from Local 2 will have these pension changes.
Plan on working til' 53.
It DOES NOT MATTER that FOP is not on board!
If you feel strong enough DEMAND that Sheilds an Co. begin a lawsuit NOW to stop it ! ! !
PBPA did a good job.
Shields is acting pissed and teling people the Sgts sold out but he's not pissed at all. He released the ridiculous 12% proposal + resident pay because he knew this was coming. That was never a serious offer and now when it does not happen he can blame the Sgts.
Lets face it Shields and company could not even send a simple letter on time. Personally the kid has let his mouth write too many checks his ass can't cash. He's on his way out and everyone (except for him maybe) knows it.
The FOP would do well to follow the Sgts lead. But I'm sure they won't and I'd bet my pension that in the end they won't get a deal this good for the rest of us.
Great jobs sgts. And what happens 10 years from now when the city cries broke on the pension again. You gonna give em another 3 years of your life and 2% of your paycheck. When does it stop. Slippery slop never underestimate the stupidity of the american people. Morons.
So if they do raise the age to 53, would that mean that those on the job prior to this change are grandfathered in and could still retire at 50?
Any Sgt that falls for this BS is softer than a one minute egg! Read the State Constitution. Your pension cannot be diminished unless you agree to it, and Ann Burke has nothing to say about it. I almost hope that the Sgts screw themselves by voting for this crap. How is that wellness program working out for you guys? You didn't learn anything from that fiasco? The Sgts need new leadership , NOW!
Sergeant Union, FTW! Fucking the retirees? Priceless.
don't blame sgts union
flop donahoe forgave $23,000,000
to shortshanks and now he's on flop payroll
you are kidding right ? If anyone in the police department thinks that they are not going to pay any more into the pension and keep the same benefits you are nuts. Seeing it is only about 40% funded and the public is not in a giving mood what do you think is going to happen ?
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The only nut here is the one who thinks any non-negotiated increase in our pension percentage will ever stand a court challenge. You need to read up a bit there son. Unless this is just ADE trying to peddle his bullshit here to get the stupid and ignorant to sign onto his bullshit.
ALL of our pensions are protected by the constitution. If any ignorant fuck willingly pays MORE into the fund to make up for what the REST OF THE CITY'S TAXPAYERS NEVER PAID then they're as fucking soft as baby shit and don't deserve a fucking pension.
Don't be an ignorant fuck. Agreeing to pay more is for dumbfucks because it ain't gonna stop legislation to take even more away from you.
This fuck is trying to get you to agree to shit that he has no other authority to force on you, and people like you eat the shit up because you refuse to educate yourself on the subject but rather just believe the anti-pension bullshit.
Even a BANKRUPT city of Chicago STILL cannot get around the constitution. Pension protection through the courts would STILL provide that a pension be guaranteed.
Talk about being dumb look what happened to pensions in orange county and other places where bankruptcy was filed. Do you really believe the city of Chicago will make or pension whole or have a plan in effect to that in 3 years. People are not on our side the constitutional convention will pass eventually and then they can decide whatever they want. If you really believe Illinois courts and the Illinois legislators are going to treat us fairly then you should not be carrying a firearm
I'm retired... you bargain away my COLA, I'll see you in Federal Court, and I'm coming after you punitively Ade... How the fuck do you bargain away my contractual benefits???
2/12/2013 06:49:00 PM
Sorry for retirees, but they figured that would be the case so they added in the agreement the following especially for you guys:
"Hold Harmless: City offer representation and hold Sgt Assoc harmless in the event of litigation from retirees challenging pension."
Public pensions in California are supposed to be sacrosanct and untouchable. The assumption is that public pension agreements are unalterable. However, recent California municipal bankruptcies now threaten public pension contracts and perhaps could even break them. If that happens, then any struggling municipality could target public pension agreements and benefits. We are at the beginning of a serious battle between deep-pocketed players to determine who is first in line for money from bankrupt cities and what cities must do to fulfill their bankruptcy plan.
The city of Stockton CA filed bankruptcy recently. The city wants to reduce payments to bond holders but still pay the California Public Retirement System its full amount of $29 million a year. The companies that insure the bonds are screaming foul. They say Stockton’s bankruptcy plan is inadequate because it does not address pension liability and that the city needs to reduce payments to CalPERS too. If the bankruptcy judge agrees, then this would reduce pension benefits to retirees.
This has never happened before in California. Public pensions are supposed to be protected by the state constitution, which says that laws cannot impair contracts. However Christopher Klein, the Stockton bankruptcy judge, ruled previously in a related matter that federal bankruptcy laws overrules the California constitution.
War on pensions moves to new target: those already retired ...
www.suntimes.com/.../war-on-pensions-moves-to-new-target-those-al...
It seems as though each Union at one time or another has been given the opportunity to sell out their fellow brothers in blue ( I say that in that we all started out wearing the blue shirt).
FOP agreed to forgive 23 million dollars that was due to our pension for some enhancements we all hope to enjoy. Lt. and Captains have sold out other members. Now it is the Sergeants turn.
Everyone needs to do some deep thinking and soul searching. This decision has long term implications.
Many will vote based on their own individual situations without regard to individuals who will follow them.
The City has done their part. They are making the arguement that the tax payers are on the hook and they are. But guess what??? We are also tax payers.
I dont want to see taxes increase but there is a cost to doing business.
This is another chapter in the divide in conquer senario. So sad but true. We have lost the battle. We should all be wearing blue t-shirts as the teachers (they wore red and were united) did when they fought their battle. But I have lost faith and do not believe that will happen.
FOP and PBPA should sit down and formulate a stratagy and become united. FOP asked for the moon and looks greedy and the PBPA appears to be selling us all short. We need to be united but instead we are divided as these posts clearly demonstrate.
Ive been a menber of the FOP way longer then my membership in the PBPA. FOP, Sgt and Lts should be meeting to get on the same sheet of music. There are serious consequences for us all. Put egos aside and do what is right for all police officers (P.O.s, Sgts. Lts and yes even Captains).
Together we can... LOL
Can anyone explain why we are only asking for a 2 year contract for PO's? That hardly seems a fair exchange of work for the union. Is there some "strategery" there that I can't see?
2/12/2013 07:57:00 PM
You mean other than shields ego? His 3 yr term is up in early 2014. I can already see the campaigning now - you need us in office again to negotiate another contract for you!
JUDAS JAMES ADE, RAHM is so proud of you!!!!!!! Wonder how many boss ass were kissed for your three bars. I think quite a bit.
If you have to work another three years, that's a fair estimate of 52 k a year, for three years, that you will not get. That's over 150 K you will give up! Not to mention three more years of your life and what is the price of that?
Frankly, it's giving up way too much.
Got to love these Sgts trying to justify giving in on pension. Some of these people would do anything to be promoted so I'm not surprised. I can only hope that collectively they have the sense to vote it down. Once you agree to changing the pension this way, you open up a can of worms better left alone. I simply cannot believe this union bargained on the pension and back-doomed everyone else. i thought our union was bad, thier union is lowere than low.
Say what you want but at least the Sgts are actually trying to impact the changes that we have all known are coming and trying to protect us as much as possible. Just standing on the side lines and bitching about the pensions while asking for huge salary increase is gross negligence.
All groups working together would be great but Shields and company seem too busy hunting for cameras to muck up for when they are not playing grab ass with our lawyer chasing the secretaries around the office.
Donahue ourold FOP President and "new FOP lobbyist" in Springfield now helped Daley out to the tune of at least 23 million. Of course that cost us the 23 plus all of the returns on investment of the 23 so that gift just keeps on giving and giving. Bet that would have covered alot of COLAs for the retired guys but that money is gone. And yes our pensions are not funded. The public is against us and in my opinion nothing the current FOP is doing is changing that. In fact I think its getting worse.
So here we are on the train and its rolling I for one would rather be up front driving than sitting in the back looking out the window and wondering where we're going and when we will get there.
I heard Shields sent Sgts Pres a bunch of roses for valentine's day as way to say thanks for getting me off the hook. 12% plus 3grand BAHHAHAHAH
The reason for the two year agreement is that it would not carry past Rahm's re-election. Add to that , the economy seems to be improving and, in mho, two years is the way to go.
Anonymous said...
Can anyone explain why we are only asking for a 2 year contract for PO's? That hardly seems a fair exchange of work for the union. Is there some "strategery" there that I can't see?
2/12/2013 07:57:00 PM
Yes. The economy is turning around. Why lock in a low pay raise for three or four years? Lock it in for two and ask for real pay raises when City revenues are on the rise again.
That's a dumb reason IMO since time of uncertainty is great and we don't know what's going to occur. Why wouldn't u want to lock things in at least for 4 years in order to protect yourself. In chicago, the economy will never be reported as better in regard to negotiations so that's a joke.
Can anyone explain why we are only asking for a 2 year contract for PO's? That hardly seems a fair exchange of work for the union. Is there some "strategery" there that I can't see?
2/12/2013 07:57:00 PM
You mean other than shields ego? His 3 yr term is up in early 2014. I can already see the campaigning now - you need us in office again to negotiate another contract for you!
2/13/2013 03:56:00 AM
I got it now.
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