Expand "Hot Zones"
- The Chicago Police Department is considering the expansion of the “hot zone” crime-fighting strategy highlighted by Supt. Garry McCarthy this week as the city recorded a historically low number of murders in February.
McCarthy is paying overtime to 200 officers for nightly patrols of 10 areas identified in a three-year and one-year analysis of murders, shootings and robberies across the city.
But he told reporters Monday he’s identified as many as 20 such areas of various sizes and prioritized them based on the study of violent crime. To expand into each zone would require up to 400 officers — 20 per zone.
“At the end of the day, the idea is to make sure that you can’t move around in that zone without seeing a police officer,” McCarthy said.
We and others have joking suggested on numerous occasions that the way to stop crime was to station an officer on every street corner, preferably armed with a rifle. That is almost what is happening here, given McOvertime's descriptions:
- McCarthy declined to say what areas are being targeted for overtime patrols — only that the first on the list is in Chicago’s Gresham neighborhood. He said they make up 1.6 percent of the city’s geography but contribute 10 percent of the city’s violence.
He also said they cross district boundaries, a key difference he highlighted between this new initiative and the Mobile Strike Force. He also said the historical crime analysis sets the new strategy apart.
Yeah, that Mobile Strike Force was restricted by imaginary district borders. Please. MSF went where they were told. Same as TRU. Same as SOS. The only difference here is the "zones" take into account gang borders instead of Districts. That's not exactly a giant mental leap and certainly not "revolutionary."
FOP seems to agree with us:
FOP seems to agree with us:
- But Fraternal Order of Police spokesman Pat Camden said the plan simply resurrects previous strategies, like the Mobile Strike Force disbanded by McCarthy, that worked in the past. He questioned how long the department can afford to pay overtime to officers to patrol the zones, and he said more police should be hired.
“More police on the street does prevent crime,” Camden said.
Then Mc(insert name here) heads off in an uncomfortable direction:
- McCarthy said he spent Saturday night bouncing around “from zone to zone.” He said the officers he encountered there were excited by the new strategy.
“They could feel a change,” McCarthy said. “Something’s happening.”
That "something" is about $53 dollars an hour. Nothing more.
UPDATE: Our numerical dyslexia kicked in. Number corrected.
UPDATE: Our numerical dyslexia kicked in. Number corrected.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
71 Comments:
McCarthy justed proved that putting more cops on the street prevents crime. so instead of paying over 200 cops a night time and half why not just hire more? no amount of hiring can catch up to the number of cops lost over the years, but they can start.
lol..well hell yeah $35/hr is exciting!
That "something" is about $35 dollars an hour. Nothing more.
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I'm a 25 year sergeant . . I make $74.27 @ hour at time and a half.
Thank you SAVAGES !!
When will they start putting the cameras up for sale on Ebay so that the funds spent on them can be deposited back into the pension fund??
We tries that and it didn't work.
The Hot Zone!
I love that book!
In this great book a highly infectious, deadly virus from the central African rain forest suddenly appears....
ON THE STREETS OF CHICAGO!?
So that explains the south & west sides!
SCC, weren't you one of the very many screaming to get rid of TRU and MSF? We all were talking about it at work tonight how you and the SUP both like to change your tunes often.
Anyway- I still come to this blog almost daily ~guess its a lot like looking through the Inquirer while standing in the checkout line!
They should also write an article about the handful of patrolmen that grossed $140,000+ in 2012. All because they consistently worked the VRI overtime on their days off. 3 new officers could be hired for the salary of one the those cops. And it's not like the 140,000 + officers are out there doing any police work at all. They are so worn out from working 7 days a week that they are like zombies. But believe me, I'm not bitching about cops out there making that money. Just saying that its screwed up that they won't hire more police.
We have a president who learned on the job. Why not a superintendent?
How did they find this moron?
$35 Hell!!! Try $60.36 for those of us with 20 years +!
McFailure is way too full of himself.
Very slow to accept criticism and hair trigger quick to heap praise upon himself. Of course his boss Rahm is the same exact way.
This is tru and msf at time and a half.,rather than admit you were wrong
At time and a half, I call it $50
56 for patrolmen! Just for the record sec city
$35??? I wouldn't step inside one of those hot zones for less than $50. But yeah, I felt something.
Let's see: We could hire a cowhand to go close the fence gate and keep the cows in....or we could wait until they are all out in the fields eating the crops and hire a bunch of cowhands to go heard them up?
What to do? What to do?
I felt some "change" all right! Extra change in my pocket for watching empty streets at time and 1/2 for Rahm!
The beast is not used to cold weather anymore after the last few years and can't handle it right now, therefore he has stayed indoors smoking blunt.
As soon as the weather breaks, these cocksuckers are going to be back with a vengeance.
At that point, I'll stop working VRI. Demand "Double Time" to baby-sit these Democrats when it warms up!
>>>McCarthy said he spent Saturday night bouncing around “from zone to zone.” He said the officers he encountered there were excited by the new strategy.<<<
McCarthy is as delusional as Hitler was when the Russians were shelling Berlin.
Don't get too used to all that VRI money it will dry up as soon as the city fires McNumbnuts and starts hiring police. The upside will be that you can get a DOTD, some rest and time with family again.
TAX HINT: Talk to your tax professional.
I just get a chunk of money from selling back time I couldn't use. That will go into a Traditional IRA for 2012 which can be done before April 15th. If you have spare money the same strategy it could lower last years or put to lower this years tax bite.
So basically your taking away police from taxpaying areas only to put them in the ghetto to protect the scum that don't pay any taxes??
This is why good people are LEAVING Chicago!!
where is the money coming from ? how much is left ? what happens when it runs out ?
That "something" is about $35 dollars an hour. Nothing more.
What? They just having the newbies off probation working this? That figure seems kinda low.
That "something" is about $35 dollars an hour. Nothing more.
Labels: department issues
When you're as delusional as McFlimFlamMan, you can spin it any way you want. All I've heard from people who've worked it is that it's a joke, and that it's easy money.
Coppers getting excited about his regurgitated ideas working? Don't think so. The OT check that finally allows you to buy that 60" tv like all the ghetto rats have is what is exciting.
Seriously? Essentially he's saying he's responsible for increasing the morale of the troops. Don't think so.
SCC, weren't you one of the very many screaming to get rid of TRU and MSF? We all were talking about it at work tonight how you and the SUP both like to change your tunes often.
Anyway- I still come to this blog almost daily ~guess its a lot like looking through the Inquirer while standing in the checkout line!
While we are happy to cater to the mentally deficient, you really ought to think about taking a reading comprehension course if you expect to make anything of your life.
Our position was, and always has been, that the CPD needs a citywide response unit, preferably numbering around 300+ trained and available for a citywide incident(s). They should be trained for active shooter, CTA disaster, plane crash, or spontaneous protest events.
SOS and TRU were those units. Our contention at the time was, and remains, that both should have been combined to eliminate redundancies in command, overlapping missions and an excess of spots to hide the clouted.
Of course, this would have necessitated returning a number of bodies to Patrol, which would have alleviated the massive shortages that we were sounding the alarm on over 5 years ago. MSF (along with it's predecessor EFP) would have borne the brunt of that as they were created with the sole purpose of generating revenue and useless numbers (contact cards) not too dissimilar from today's new "policing method."
In any event, you and your buddies are wrong, plain and simple, and we're sure you'll point out to them that the words that your tiny minds are selectively remembering were most likely written in our comment sections by readers of a similar mental capacity - birds of a feather and all that.
Good luck with your reading skills!
Could we have a few patrol cars in 016??? WTF, the gangs are infiltrating portage park like cockroaches and they keep on taking away our police service. Enough. Funny how the alderthieves in this district say nothing and do nothing about it.
$35 an hour????? U would have to have zero time on the job to be getting $35. U work for 8 hours and get paid time and a half. Try $56 an hour when I sit there and do nothing. I do it every chance I get.
Wait till Rammy uses this in FOP contract talks and his leaks to the media. Average salary for patrolmen $150,00. However you wont see in the article patrolmen worked 60 days straight with no days off! Headlines will say "POLICE RAPING CITY BUDGET". The spin will be incredible. At some point Rammy's bean counting mind will start averaging homicides to dollars. He will get tired of giving out money to keep violence down. He has to pay for the Maggie Park that is bugeted for 55 million. However we all know that it will be 5 times that. Look at what the final bill was for Grant Park over 1 Billion when it was suppose to be 200 million!
More police = less crime, Hello McFly.
gmac does not learn from his mistakes--- quit putting the cart in front of the horse son--- the morgue will be full of fresh bodies in a few months courtesy of another failed tactic....
On second rather then MSF, just call them the police. It worked back in the day.
Units depleted the districts of vital manpower! Working OT supplementsThe areas that are high crime and they get extra manpower from off duty p.o.'s working over time. Sorry it's a win for the city by not hiring more police and its a win for us by giving us extra money in poor economic times. I don't know if you know this , but many police deparments have been doing this cost saving practice for years . I have a feeling that you where in one of the units and were reassigned to district law enforcement. I suggest that you make the best of a bad situation and make the extra money by working the OT or cta. I made over $15,000 last year extra last year. I hope you did the same.
'm a 25 year sergeant . . I make $74.27 @ hour at time and a half.
Thank you SAVAGES !!
3/05/2013 12:21:00 AM
What are you bragging about your salary for when the city does not want to give us a raise?
How do you know if I am burned out? I have worked 74 days of VRI and it is a god send. This program has enabled me to do stuff for my child who has special needs that I otherwise would have a hard time paying for. Speak for yourself...we all have different situations and needs. This program makes me feel refreshed because it takes the burden away from other things.
While I know everyone loves the extra money they are earning. I know I do. But the media is missing the bigger picture here. If the department was staffed at proper levels there would be no need for the overtime initiatives.
If the department was fully staffed, all beat cars would be properly manned, providing service to both the tax paying working class of Chicago that deserve the protection they pay for and the ungrateful leaches of society who can't behave themselves and don't deserve all the manpower allotted to their areas.
Ya, know anything about this? All the tanks and ammo being bought up by DHS? Maybe, they will used in the "hot zone"
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-dhs-purchases-2700-light-armored-tanks-to-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile/
Quit your bitching and make time and a half. If you dont want to work VRI, be quiet and let the guys that want to work it.
If you weren't bitching about this, you would be bitching that the department doesn't give overtime opportunities and has cut back on overtime.
Me thinks the money is comming from the Feds since it's time and a half.
I still can't get any VRI with 6 years on the job
I'd work it but I am afraid to go south.
Im predicting it here first. In May, a huge surge of calls of assaults, batteries, and even shots fired at a city employees. Because sometime in May, the dept. of revenue will start a mass clamping of the boots on all the cars that have been, and are currently being hit with parking violations issued in all these "hot zones". This is gonna drive the illegals crazy, but put a smile on the mayors face with all the new added revenue(if they even pay).
-also, fuck Ira Silverstein.
Crime was down the last time i went to Mexico-and believe me its the last time.
Hotel guy says-Senor-no walk on beaches at night...very dangerous. So i go out to walk the beach at night, being the dumb curious cop I am. Armed cops everywhere with machine guns. Hustled right back to hotel. Its all about number of cops.....
take the 75.00 an hour for OT while its there. That wont last.
Hah.... scc made you look like the dumbass you are.... sounds like a dumped hero.
"We and others have jokingly suggested on numerous occasions that the way to stop crime was to station an officer on every street corner, preferably armed with a rifle." -- SCC
In other countries, "the police" come a dozen at a time, wearing steel helmets, sitting at attention in the back of a 2 1/2 ton truck, holding bolt-action Mausers that they are known to actually use on occasion.
People run when they see that cloud of dust coming 'way up the road.
Food for thought.
Hey 12:58, it's cheaper to pay o/t rather than to hire. Training, health insurance, etc.
The change the officers are hearing is the money in overtime they are earning and are going to spend!!!
Anonymous said...
How do you know if I am burned out? I have worked 74 days of VRI and it is a god send. This program has enabled me to do stuff for my child who has special needs that I otherwise would have a hard time paying for. Speak for yourself...we all have different situations and needs. This program makes me feel refreshed because it takes the burden away from other things.
3/05/2013 09:20:00 AM
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Kudos to you, sir. You sound like a good policeman and a BETTER father!
Best of luck to you & your family!
So more cops on patrol does prevent crime. Wow, what a revelation, who would have thought that?
To those who wonder how the city can pay overtime and not hire, they do not pay into the pension on overtime so it isn't all that expensive and it isn't needed all the time, that is, in normal times.
But McLush has his head up his ass, we all know that. Except for the screwing of Bill Cozzi, Jody really wasn't all that bad. he got us the 4-2 schedulem under Daley remember; he got us M4 carbines; he got us Tahoes and I love the Tahoes, I don't care what anyone says the Tahoes are great. I started on Fords with no A/C and hand crank windows. Tahoes are great by comparison.
I'd work it but I am afraid to go south.
3/05/2013 10:45:00 AM
yeah, like anyone is gonna believe that.
Nobody gives a shit about MSF or TRU. You people need to get over it. Some new unit may be formed someday but most of you will not be a part of it, the new clouted will. We don't care.
My zone is hot all the time!!!
'm a 25 year sergeant . . I make $74.27 @ hour at time and a half.
Thank you SAVAGES !!
3/05/2013 12:21:00 AM
What are you bragging about your salary for when the city does not want to give us a raise?
Maybe he earned it !!!
The only hot zone we have to worry about is between McCarthey's lips and Rahm's ass.
Does anyone think the American military will fire on American citizens once the revolution starts?
Merit Sgt (RF) in 010 questions zone 10 this morning at 1000 hrs as to why the Civil Defense (air raid/tornado warning) siren was sounding today.
So a certain sgt in 10 aka DJ Ray gets on the air and ask the zone to ascertain why the air raid siren was sounding and if there was a "SITUATION" that he should be made aware of.
Zone says, Ok 1020 we will find out for you.
Unknown voice says, " yeah, Dennis Rodman sounded the alarm, North Korea is Invading us"!
This is why we need to eliminate the Merit selection process completely.
Gus
This KMA Sgt says keep it coming $70+/hour. Thanks!
Off topic but the Chicago Public Schools couldn't close because we have to keep the schools open to feed the the students as they walk around the cafeteria with I-Phones and $200.00 north face jackets.
Make it when you can. If you can afford it-- save it or use it to save your comp time.
Retired with 7000 hrs of comp.
MORE OFF TOPIC:
You can read all about the protest mess, which is likely to result in the firing of a detective here in the UCPD who was only following orders (lawful orders) of her commanding officer here:
http://chicagomaroon.com/2013/03/05/administrators-respond-to-ucpd-allegations/
Anonymous said...
Does anyone think the American military will fire on American citizens once the revolution starts?
3/05/2013 07:21:00 PM
That's what Homeland Security is training for now.
Look it up.
Female CPD said...
My zone is hot all the time!!!
3/05/2013 05:29:00 PM
this, i believe.
"...-also, fuck Ira Silverstein."
^^^^^^^^
I am totally, 100% in agreement with this statement.
Garry your a nutbag. I'm not addressing a superior officer, just a higher ranking one.
Nobody gives a shit about MSF or TRU. You people need to get over it. Some new unit may be formed someday but most of you will not be a part of it, the new clouted will. We don't care.
3/05/2013 05:01:00 PM
Obviously you do. It's germane to this topic, if you can't see then you might be retarded. I can't wait till GMac recreates one of these units and strokes like you whine about them.
did someone look at history of police dept. back in 60or early 70 they had police on 3wheel motorcycle and every night they misson in a high crime area they where called RYANS RAIDERS
Anonymous said...
Hey 12:58, it's cheaper to pay o/t rather than to hire. Training, health insurance, etc.
3/05/2013 01:16:00 PM
The City is self-insured. Insurance costs are virtually nil. Training costs are minimal. The Academy staff is there whether there's training going on, or not. I'm not sure what your 'etcetera' entails, but this isn't a valid argument.
We have lost so many sworn and they are not being replaced. The simple fact is, more police equals a safer city.
how about a hot zone in 16 , that's where all the tax money come from and we only have 1 beat car for a beat the sipe of englewood
New Idea! Open VRI up to card carrying security guards. If they won't hire more officers then let's let anyone legally qualified to carry a gun get in on the $! We can also call up any retiree, age not being a factor to work it too.
The City is self-insured. Insurance costs are virtually nil. Training costs are minimal. The Academy staff is there whether there's training going on, or not. I'm not sure what your 'etcetera' entails, but this isn't a valid argument.
We have lost so many sworn and they are not being replaced. The simple fact is, more police equals a safer city.
So if the city is self insured, the costs are nil, doesnt work that way, the city pays the whole insurance bill, not the premiums
Training costs are minimal, dont think so, you pay a recruit over $22,000 for the 6 months of training when he is doing nothing on the street so it does cost the city. Your argument is lame and not realistic
Wait til summer kicks in and that is when we will see if this strategy is really working.
I'm suddenly reminded of Donna Summer's 1979 hit: "Hot Stuff".
I can't believe I didn't say "Now, kees me you fool" in my last post.
I hope the lords of the Keesing will forgive me.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
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