FOP Pushing to Decertify PBPA
The FOP, at the behest of some sergeants unhappy with the stunt the PBPA President tried to put over on their members regarding Contract issues versus Pension issues, is holding some informational meetings for Sergeants interested in de-certifying their union and joining FOP.
The State FOP president will attend the meetings at the FOP Hall on 24 and 25 April and the National Lodge has committed to support a Sergeant Lodge should they change affiliations.
This sounds like this could be messy. FOP could be seen as meddling, but the sergeants we work with are very unhappy with Ade's getting cozy with Rahm on pension issues - issues that are decided in Springfield, not Chicago. Any readers want to let us know what's going on?
The State FOP president will attend the meetings at the FOP Hall on 24 and 25 April and the National Lodge has committed to support a Sergeant Lodge should they change affiliations.
This sounds like this could be messy. FOP could be seen as meddling, but the sergeants we work with are very unhappy with Ade's getting cozy with Rahm on pension issues - issues that are decided in Springfield, not Chicago. Any readers want to let us know what's going on?
Labels: FOP
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
147 Comments:
well until Ade costs me a years worth of retro and opens up a security company that profits greatly from some of Rahms major campaign donors ill be sticking with PBPA.
Yeah, join us! You too will lose a year of retro!
Good idea. You can't trust those assholes at PBPA.
With the exception of the retirement nonsense, their contract was pretty good. No increases in insurance, no loss of benefits, 9% salary increase & RETRO. Good deal.
All the noise brought by a Sergeant who never got involved with the CPSA. Deciding it was easier to have someone else do the job then him, huh Randy?
FOP tried to railroad their way by getting rid of Sgt rep at the pension board by going thru downstate, huh Mark Donahue?
The Sgts voted down the contract AGAIN realizing the city was f...ing them, huh Rahm? Huh, Daley? The Sgts are the strongest group telling the city to go to h...
They should stand their ground and not cave into some weaklings worries and bitch tail run to the FOP.
But Ade doesn't represent the PBPA- he represents the CPD SGTS! The idea seems a bit off
Don't get alarmed, strength in numbers.... It would be great to have 1100 new FOP members. You only have to look at the past administration of the Sgt. Union, the current dministration tried to force some crap down your throats.
The Sgt.s would be their own independent lodge affiliated with lodge 7, how about the Windy City Lodge 7A.....
Do you people realize that if we decertify the PBPA, we'll loose EVERYTHING in our contract the next time it's up for negotiations? Forget the 45 minutes! Forget the supervisors quarterly! Forget being able to sell back 200 hours. FOP DOES NOT have our best interests at heart. They're just looking for more $$. With fewer numbers, we will be nothing but an afterthought to FOP.
Ask Mike Shields why he told Jim Ade to go take a hike when approached (along with the CFD union) to form a unified front for contract negotiations. Ask Mike Shields why FOP hasn't even started contract negotiations.
Yes, portions of the contract negotiations didn't sit well with people, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water. If you don't like it, step up to the plate and run for office. But DO NOT GET IN BED with Shields & Co!!!
Does anyone else remember when the Chicago Police Sergeants Association was supposed to become F.O.P. Lodge 7A.
We were going to share office space, lawyers and be a very strong union.
But Daley and Bill Nolan did not want the sergeants in the union. So when the election approached, the offer from FOP was insulting, no seats on the board, no real benefits, nothing. Sergeants would be paying their dues for nothing.
Given the bad times that the Sergeants have had lately with the theft of their funds and the pension mess I can see why they want a change. But with the mess that Mike Shields is involved in with his security company and Rahm's friends I can see a real conflict of interest.
Rahm must be laughing at the show, the city negotiators are sent to Harvard to learn. The FOP and PBPA negotiators are the guys who plan the golf outings.
FOP didn't want Sergeants years ago. I think FOP trying to catch us at a weak point. PBPA could be a great union we are just getting started and yes their have been bumps in the road. Finally if and conflict of intreats arrises between Patrolmen and sergeants who do you think the FOP will feel beholden to?
How can that happen?
Sgt’s are separate, from what I understand. Sgt’s “supervise” us. Sgt’s administer SPARs and CR numbers against Patrolmen Detectives. How can they be a part of our (FOP) union (Fraternal Order)?
we should not be divided. all sworn should be in 1 union.
So you vote out Ade and others. You don't decertify.
Both unions r a joker ! Join the teamster
one thing we can all agree upon is that 1100 sgts will never agree on one thing in a concensus--- however, most have expressed a severe disliking of mr.ade and his garbage contract proposal--- one guy stole over a million dollars and another tried to screw the pooch so maybe the sgts should get with the fop....
The sgts. can keep PBPA and do a vote of no confidence, 30 % signatures from members and elect a new president.
No need to disband PBPA
Can the p.o.'s change their affiliations too?
"Any readers want to let us know what's going on?"
it's a ball of confusion.
trouble in paradise...
If the FOP is serious about decertifying the Sgt's PBPA, they'll need to put money and people into the game. It's not cheap doing a decert with a few earnest Sgt's. Decerts cost time, money and a lot of bodies to get your word out.
If you're one of the ones that's looking to be part the decert group, be warned. You and everyone around you, including family is going to be watched like a hawk! Play legit to keep your dick out of the ringer!
Been there, done that!
My first reaction is POWER IN NUMBERS.
happens every contract negotiation....
Why would the FOP want to help the Sergeants? Their base and who they should be worried about is the Patrolman, so no matter what, it would be a conflict...
Messed up no matter what..like always..They're all crooked anyway...
How does it work when a Sgt disciplines a co-union member. Does the union represent the PO and basically is the Sergeant is wrong?
That's the lot calling the kettle black
As opposed to Shields.
Please someone call Boston and have them send more Police to Chicago!!!!
I retired as a Sgt. as the scandal with our funds began. It was obvious then and clear today that the Sgts. Assoc. is being run in an unprofessional manner. At the meeting that was called following the revelation that aprrox. $1 million dollars of our dues was missing we were told that the "books" were handwritten, no back-up on computers, and one copy was missing and the other in the hands of IAD! Then we were told that people who had been close to the now convicted President would lead us in the future. Since I retired a few weeks later, there was nothing I could do. However, I urge every Sgt. to think carefully about Cleaning House. You need full time professional representation, especially when dealing with the likes of 9.5. Do it for your families and your future.
I went to the Town Hall Meeting at the Agg. School to listen what the State Senator had to say. When the meeting was over about 8 Sgts. With 25+ years each. Approached the past President of FOP. He did not approach them. Mark said that if that is what they wanted then they needed to talk to the State president of the FOP.
Tiny dancer is now the victim of his own devious intentions. The Sgts are livid with his contract proposal. His anyone seen Jimmy Ade in public since this got voted down?
This is a classic example of unintended consequences.
The Sgts have already proved that they ate too dumb to have their own union. Some of the comments about Shields and the FOP confirm that.
Still, at the end of the day, I don't want the Sgts in my union. I listen to enough of their BS at work.
If the sergeants decertify-- start the bargaining with the city from scratch. Good Luck at that
You couldn't get two sergeants to agree on where to have lunch so forget about it.
Interesting. Not certain if this is what we need, but I am certain that we've heard enough from nit wits chirping about Shield's security thing. Not only is it dead issue it has NOTHING to do with this issue. I for one am interested in hearing more reasoning for this move from the FOP. Might be in all of our best interests to put on a unified front.
Bold move by a bold leadership over at FOP. I can see potential hiccups, but I can also Ram started to sweat.
we should not be divided. all sworn should be in 1 union.
4/24/2013 12:56:00 AM
You can't have supervisors and subordinates in the same union.
Ummm... No. Who do you trust to represent your interests in Springfield - that lying prick Donahue, or a real lawyer and experienced lobbyist like PBPA has? I'm going with PBPA.
Don't like Ade? Just vote him out. You know the old adage "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water"? Ta-da!
FOP can't represent 12,000 - how well can they represent 1100?
I have found the PBPA elected officials to be absolutely worthless when I needed them in the recent years and their attorney, Tom P is the most miserable asshole I've ever met. No wonder the FOP fired his arrogant ass.
However, as pointed out by a previous commenter, we risk losing EVERYTHING we have gained in previous contracts. No thank you!!!
I'd strongly suggest that every Sergeant spend the money to join the FOP and enjoy their legal protection and benefits while maintaining the PBPA. It costs about as much for a yearly membership to the FOP as it does for a MONTHLY membership to the impotent PBPA.
I hope they get there own lodge too!
Unless they want to pony up some cash for the use of the lodge.
Yea i know a few SGTS are members so they can use are lawyers for lawsuits.
But they had a president who siphoned million buck and a treasurer in on the theft. Now u have ADE thinking he is the second coming.
Let the SGTS rent some suckhole office space and build up their lodge like everyone else.
And the argument that a SGT was in the lodge before he was promoted is very lame.
you are now management,even though you CAN'T FIRE,HIRE, OR PROMOTE ANYONE.
Ya might want to check with the NLRB to make sure but if you decert i think that u have to wait 18 months to join another union.
As a sergeant, I have to say that FOP 7 sounds like a red-hot mess right now. Bella would have been a better fit than this new kid. Just sayin.
The final word....
Stay with the PBPA and have the president thrown out. Elect a legit PBPA president not connected with Shields or Rahm.
America
No need to change from PBPA, need to vote in different President. Or even better, if Ade really cared for his membership he would resign! This would stop all the problems and we wouldn't need to cause all these issues with attempting to lay down with the FOP we can keep PBPA. So Jim, what you think about stepping down? Maybe that is the best choice that you should consider!
I still don't understand why Ade would have even considered pension negotiations with Rham. I mean what's the idea? If we let you stick it to us maybe you will only do it half way? Then next contract go the rest of the way? The politicians need to do what the State of Illinois Constitution says and what we agreed to. I signed up on this job because that was the deal; 20 years and 50% and now let's change the rules in mid game. No Rham. Do that to the new people. If you tell the new crew this is the deal and they take it then so be it. Had they told me it was 55 and out when I signed up I would probably not have come on. Honor the agreements as they are written and quit crying broke and pissing away money on nonsense. Shore up the pensions before wasting money on Bullshit Rham.
Mike Shields and FOP need the dues people. This would be a bad move on the PBPA part. There is more to this people and it is not a wise thing.
My fellow sgts could not be any stupider than to consider this now. 9.5 is dancing on his desk thinking he has created dissension amongst us. Don't like Ade, get involved and vote him out.
The process worked just fine with the PBPA, the contract was voted down. The FOP sucks!
Join the teamsters? What are you smoking goof.
Watch ur pension disappear
No retro if Sgts decertify. Looked it up Under Illinois law Sgts next pay raise could not take effect until January 2014 if the FOP remembers to file the right paperwork!!
We elected Ade we can unelect him. I'll go fair share before I pay fop a dime of my $.
I'm staying put. No brainer.
Yeah, join us! You too will lose a year of retro!
Did you lose a year of retro, yet! Did you!? No, you did not. I am not defending anyone, but to listen to some of the members sniveling like babies is nauseating. Let's see what happens and then you can say, I told you so. Until then shut the hell up. You haven't lost a thing.
First, there is strength in numbers, Second, the sergeants would have their own lodge with their own elected officers. Third, both supervisors and subordinates in every union-from pressmen to air traffic controllers and teachers to retail store clerks-are all represented by the same union local without any compromise when it comes rights and responsibilities, even during disciplinary matters. Finally, this will only work well if the other two bargaining units, captains and lieutenants, follow suit. And as some of the other posters have indicated FOP #7 can eliminate their own problem by voting out Shields. The biggest issue is our strength in diluted by having separate competing unions. Ever wonder why the teachers union is so strong?
Don't get alarmed, strength in numbers.... It would be great to have 1100 new FOP members. You only have to look at the past administration of the Sgt. Union, the current dministration tried to force some crap down your throats.
The Sgt.s would be their own independent lodge affiliated with lodge 7, how about the Windy City Lodge 7A.....
Maybe if people went to the meetings, they would know what was going on.
Do you people realize that if we decertify the PBPA, we'll loose EVERYTHING in our contract the next time it's up for negotiations? Forget the 45 minutes! Forget the supervisors quarterly! Forget being able to sell back 200 hours. FOP DOES NOT have our best interests at heart. They're just looking for more $$. With fewer numbers, we will be nothing but an afterthought to FOP.
Ask Mike Shields why he told Jim Ade to go take a hike when approached (along with the CFD union) to form a unified front for contract negotiations. Ask Mike Shields why FOP hasn't even started contract negotiations.
Yes, portions of the contract negotiations didn't sit well with people, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water. If you don't like it, step up to the plate and run for office. But DO NOT GET IN BED with Shields & Co!!!
That is incorrect, you do not lose everything , you have in your contract.
My first reaction is POWER IN NUMBERS.
4/24/2013 04:40:00 AM
My first reaction is you are a moron.. Do you realize we will lose everything if we change..
Out of bed with Ade and into bed with Shields? Which is worse?
My first reaction is POWER IN NUMBERS.
4/24/2013 04:40:00 AM
True, true, true!
If it works for CFD, it will work for CPD.
I get the strength in numbers part, but does the rank and file believe that Lodge 7 can help? We are in contract negotiations now, and very serious problems in this dept. arent even being discussed. (ie Manpower, management percentages, pension guarantees). Welcome to the FOP if you choose, but look before you leap.
30% of the PBPA is all that Is needed.... And for you ININFORMED goofs that come on here and spout ignorance no you DO NOT LOSE anything from a change, all ur current contract stuff STAYS in place
Since its obvious that the Fop steals way more than the old Pbpa prez did. And that they are way more incompetent than Pbpa I say Fop should switch to Pbpa. At least you wont lose your retro pay. Just remember an organization is only as strong as its membership. When only a couple hundred out of thousands show up for meetings. Somethings wrong.
Sgts would be fools to consider anything about changing rep before the contract is settled
Anonymous said...
So you vote out Ade and others. You don't decertify.
4/24/2013 12:59:00 AM
100% CORRECT!
FOP is not the answer for anyone! Michael Shields is a proven tool! Seargeants are very gullable. So you throw the baby out with the dirty bath water! WTF
So far, I have seen nothing but uninformed comments here...
First, the sergeants will have their own union, affiliated with national and state FOP!! Lodge 7 will not be running the sergeants.
Second, you don't LOSE EVERYTHING if you decertify.
FOP is trying to get a unified front versus Rahm and Downstate Pols. We can't have Jimmy Ade going renegade again.
By the way, who says we are not getting retro? Has the contract been settled? We are getting retro even with the "letter" issue. I spoke with a US Attorney attached to Dept. of Labor and a top labor lawyer and they laughed about how Rahm is playing the media and FOP members regarding this issue. They both agreed that we will get our retro. Sometimes issues are about the spirit of the law rather that the letter of the law.
Sergeants, just go to the informational meetings and listen to facts, not bullshit from your buddy that heard it from a guy who heard from the other guy...
This ain't happening. My Sgt went he said it was a bunch of BS. The state president Streat was like Andy from Mayberry. 5 Sgts showed up for meeting. A couple more showed up but were told by Mikey to "get out of MY HOUSE" because they were on Sgts board
Don't think it's gonna be your house long Mikey. Any other patrolmen interested in making a change from FOP?
Brothers and Sisters, please read
http://truenewsusa.blogspot.com/2013/04/food-for-thought.html
"...the city negotiators are sent to Harvard to learn. The FOP and PBPA negotiators are the guys who plan the golf outings..."
This is true---but WHY?????
Remember just why the supervisors decided not to go with FOP in the first place. FOP does not have the needs of Sgts first in their mind. FOP sure hasnt done a good job themselves. At least PBPA filed to negotiate on time. FOP and their huge staff forgot. What's up there?
Better yet, how about the P.O.s decertify FOP and sign up with the PBPA. They would get much better and more fair representation.
Hey, dummies, it's a union. Which means it's a business and nothing more. It's designed to make money for the union. They're no different than politicians. They want to spend your money, bask in the rays of power and set themselves up for later days.
For the first time in my career I needed union help. I got a divorce lawyer who knew dick about our job, the law and our GO's. Thanks FOP. I'm saved. All those years of dues has paid off...YOU!
The entire system is a joke. Never had a union in the military and still got raises, had legal representation-if needed-still had a job. It's a hoax and we're forking the bill
You may want to check with the NLRB,I think if you decert,you might have to wait for 18 months to join any other union.
Will the PBPA board and their stooges please stay off the blog with their nonsense. I'm sure they feel they are doing well with this campaign of dis information but this is a serious matter. Put your egos away and grow up. All of this would have been avoided if you have done the honorable thing and resigned each and every board member "rahm YES man and Yes woman among them" I want to hear what FOP has to say. And enough about the retro already, talk about it when and if it comes to pass not until. Maybe we could get an accurate accounting of how much was stolen right under the noses of the current board somewhere between 1 and 3 million that's million. Here's an idea have the PBPA indemnify us and then we would consider staying with this group of incompetents. As for losing something by going to FOP we have nothing to lose and everything to gain...Oh and who among the current board was with this thief in Vegas spending our stolen money that's right crickets from the PBPA. Kind of makes us all wonder why no forensic accounting was done after this grand scam of the membership what and who are they hiding. Come on, stop pissing down our backs and telling us its raining. You idiots are history go to the uniform store and get ready for beat cars you fucking hacks.
Had Mikey not kicked the members of the CPSA board out of the meeting today they would have had eight sgts attend the information meeting. The FOP is after the SGTs money is all it is.
Turn out at the FOP meeting was bigger than all the PBPA meetings combined for the last three years. Thats a fact look it up.
Enough said!!!!!!!!!
All Sgts please go to the FOP meetings they make great sense and compared to ade aka ali baba and the forty thieves. Its a breath of fresh air.
Talk about divide and conquer!!!
Too late. Elections mean things
Sgts. should be informed that Ade decided to negotiate doing away with intra district bidding.
How many Sgts were complaining about intra district bids? When city wide bidding opens, as Ade wants, ( some districts will have 10 ooenings)
we asked Ade what will happen to the least Sr. Sgts. at a meeting prior to the vote on this contract,
and he said they could be moved at the city's discretion.
Concerned? Attend the meeting in May
Anonymous said...
Do you people realize that if we decertify the PBPA, we'll loose EVERYTHING in our contract the next time it's up for negotiations? Forget the 45 minutes! Forget the supervisors quarterly! Forget being able to sell back 200 hours. FOP DOES NOT have our best interests at heart. They're just looking for more $$. With fewer numbers, we will be nothing but an afterthought to FOP.
Ask Mike Shields why he told Jim Ade to go take a hike when approached (along with the CFD union) to form a unified front for contract negotiations. Ask Mike Shields why FOP hasn't even started contract negotiations.
Yes, portions of the contract negotiations didn't sit well with people, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water. If you don't like it, step up to the plate and run for office. But DO NOT GET IN BED with Shields & Co!!!
4/24/2013 12:27:00 AM"
So many things wrong with this statement!
Your contract stays in effect until you negotiate a new contract! The only thing you are changing are the folks that are negotiating the contract. What you are doing is stopping the current negotiating process until a new bargaining unit gets put into place. It stops Rahm and company in their tracks for the time being.
The Decert stops PBPA from negotiating until you vote for a new bargaining unit. The Sgt.'s will be approached by the Teamsters, ICOP, FOP, and PBPA to have them as their bargaining unit.
You do not have to go with FOP as your bargaining unit. Since we can only have a "fraternal organization", you could even vote in the Elks to get you a contract!
You're a smart bunch! Contact the Illinois Labor Relations Board about the laws regarding unions if you think I'm lying.
The merit hacks should separate from those that earned the rank of sgt as well. That would be an interesting science experiment. lol
Very bad idea to decertify.
The sergeants think its not fair that FOP is losing their retro and they aren't.
They also prefer to have a union boss who makes money off a mayors donor
Why join FOP since we have me too clause anyway? Besides its too much conflict of interest issues.
OT: Watching tv show called LOCKDOWN on National Geographic channel. Mexican prisons along the Texas, Loreado border inmate has 3 kids living in Chicago tells how the state and city are supporting his illegial family while in prison and how easy it is to get in his words "food, a apartment and free medicine" while he's serves 5 years for car theft in Mexico. Says common knowledge how easy to get everything free in Illinois and they don't ask for identification or if you citizen because it's illegal to ask your immigration status in Illinois!
My tax dollars at work!
THANKS. Quinn. Madigan. Cullerton. Emanuel. And the rest of the liberal thieving DemocRATS! All for what a possible vote and they will ruin this city!
Don't kid yourself sarge. Who gives a shit merit or not. I know test happy sgts that aren't worth 2-cents on the street and couldn't spell felony arrest if your provided the word for them. Because they have never made one.
Book smart. Street stupid.
A famous orator captured his people by this very phrase "Stabbed in the Back!" as ugly as that orator is the subject matter at hand is just as ugly.
I can't believe a leader of a CPD Sgt's Union tried so openly to "Stab the rest of us in the back!" SCC, U seem well read. Can U believe this so called leader not only screwed his own Sgt's, but also maligned his part of the organization w/the Devil himself? The platform was, if memory serves, something like a "blue print" on all negotiations in the future.
Rahm even praised these people openly. A divide and conquer strategy was used w/Rahm having a history of these same unethical practices.
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You do not have to go with FOP as your bargaining unit. Since we can only have a "fraternal organization", you could even vote in the Elks to get you a contract!
4/24/2013 01:51:00 PM
My vote is going to the Mystic Knights of the Sea to negotiate my next contract! I want the Honorable Algonquin J. Calhoun as lead attorney too!
Anonymous said...
Very bad idea to decertify.
4/24/2013 03:16:00 PM
Decertify, schmertify.
Who is so worried about a "bad idea" around this place? Since when has anyone in a leadership position here ever had a good idea?
Just about everythign Daley, Rahm Emmanuel and McCarthy has done have been bad ideas. Didn't stop them none. World keeps turning.
Why haven't the Sgt's removed Ade already, are they waiting for another blunder. WAKE UP!!
Capt. Obvious said...
Hey, dummies, it's a union. Which means it's a business and nothing more. It's designed to make money for the union. They're no different than politicians. They want to spend your money, bask in the rays of power and set themselves up for later days.
For the first time in my career I needed union help. I got a divorce lawyer who knew dick about our job, the law and our GO's. Thanks FOP. I'm saved. All those years of dues has paid off...YOU!
The entire system is a joke. Never had a union in the military and still got raises, had legal representation-if needed-still had a job. It's a hoax and we're forking the bill
4/24/2013 11:57:00 AM
Hey, Cap'n Crunch, How about if you conduct an informal survey for yourself and possibly help illuminate your co-workers.
Go around and find some police officers who were actually on this job prior to 1981. That was when we got our first contract. 1981. Before that we didn't have the Elks, the Boy Scouts, the Teamsters, nothing. We had only the benevolence of the City of Chicago.
Find some of these officers and ask one simple question: Did we get fucked more or did we get fucked less before that first contract in 1981?
If you find a majority who tell you "Oh yeah, we got fucked much less, God Bless the City, we love the gool old days when old man Daley stuck it in our ass whenever he wanted" then you should devote all you time and energy into eliminating the union and tell Rahm to give us whatever he wants because we trust him to do the right thing.
Before that first contract, a few of the things that were SOP: No choice of pay or time for OT, time only.
No bidding for anything, anywhere at any time. Go see the Captain and bring cash.
No building up thousands of hours of time to cash in at the end of your career. You lost it at the end of the year, it clicked back to zero.
Waiting for your beloved weekends? Tough shit, someone with clout likes them more. Before your weekends you get your DOG changed to miss weekends. Don't like it? Go fuck yourself.
Go file a grievance. Wait, there were no grievances. Go fuck yourself again.
Retro pay? Retro what?
It isn't fair. Go fuck yourself again.
Just made detective did you? Lt. tell you to do something and you didn't do it? You might be on the next transfer order back to a district. As a PO.
Don't like it? Remember that Go Fuck Yourself thing? Yeah, do it again.
There is more but maybe you get the idea a little.
Teamsters mentioned again.
F the teamsters.
Have you seen the benefits the teamsters have lost in the last 20 yrs?
Much easier to fire a teamster than it is to fire a sworn city worker.
Say what you want about the F.O.P., but our union is much stronger than the teamsters. They may be louder, but not better.
I cannot help but feel that unionization, to be effective, must encompass all ranks. This would include sergeants. lieutenants, patrolmen, etc. Strength only comes through numbers. If it could be arranged, I'd like to see a "Public Safety Union" which would also include the firefighters. I retired in 2005 and I can say from experience that separate unions have not been effective.
Had Mikey not kicked the members of the CPSA board out of the meeting today they would have had eight sgts attend the information meeting. The FOP is after the SGTs money is all it is.
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WHAT MONEY??
The CPSA is broker than the state of Illinois is.
Capt. Obvious said...
Hey, dummies, it's a union. Which means it's a business and nothing more. It's designed to make money for the union. They're no different than politicians. They want to spend your money, bask in the rays of power and set themselves up for later days.
For the first time in my career I needed union help. I got a divorce lawyer who knew dick about our job, the law and our GO's. Thanks FOP. I'm saved. All those years of dues has paid off...YOU!
The entire system is a joke. Never had a union in the military and still got raises, had legal representation-if needed-still had a job. It's a hoax and we're forking the bill
4/24/2013 11:57:00 AM
He Cap'n Crunch.
You were in the military ? Me too. I wish I had a union then. Instead of being the only one doing the shit job details. Having to be the ncoic every weekend at the barracks just because they could put me there. Yeah you are a fucking mush. Now drop and give me twenty recruit.
You can have that years worth of retro. How's that insurance sarge? Mine stayed the same. PPO with a co-pay?!? Yeah shields goof came out to be really good for us. And I think a lot of people agree with this statement "rahm leave us the fuck alone and we'll leave him alone." Status quo has never been better. So go suck ades ass.
As for losing something by going to FOP we have nothing to lose and everything to gain... God I hope you're not a Sgt. Everything starts from scratch. The state PBPA takes ALL assets(building, savings, investments) over 1 million all told...... Yeh good idea. 5 Sgt's showed up to meeting the fucking idiot who started this didn't even show.
OT
wonder where your money goes??
The Internal Revenue Service issued more than $11 billion in improper payments through its Earned Income Tax Credit program last year, according to an inspector general’s report released this week.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/04/24/irs-issued-billions-in-improper-refunds-report-says/
Gimme a fuckin play. These asshole merit-Brad WIll-or otherwise are telling the troops they voted NO. These fucks know they will be getting same penssion as all-if it's there. And thet get their pie now. FUCK THEM. You cant tell if they lying which I'm sure most are.
I am still waiting to see what we get for voluntarily joining the wellness program! LOL.
just an FYI from the Occupy Chicago Group, getting ready to gear up again in May.
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The Chicago Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression, numerous organizations, and victims of police crimes call upon all of our sisters and brothers from all strands of the people’s movement to join us in calling the Second People’s Hearing on Police Crimes.
The Second People’s Hearing on Police Crimes will focus on the problem of police crimes, exploring how police crimes affect violence in the community, and encourage distrust and violence between the community and the police. The Hearing is also a call to action where we will discuss solutions to hold criminal police accountable for their actions, and for ending the absolute police impunity that currently exists.
The hearing will provide a public forum where the victims of police crimes and community organizations can present their cases and demands for justice. Victims will share stories of police abuses, such as murder, frame-ups, harassment, drunken driving, and drunken shootings. Due to the absolute unwillingness of Chicago institutions to discipline criminal cops, the People’s Hearing is for many victims their only chance to be heard. We will also discuss the proven police “code of silence,” which encourages and protects criminal police, allowing police crimes to become the norm and not the exception to the rule.
Without a mechanism in place to destroy the police code of silence and protect moral, law-abiding police, the distrust between our communities and the police only grows. As long as criminal police are protected by the system, our communities will only become more violent and our citizens will only become less cooperative with police investigations.
We believe that a Civilian Police Accountability Council (CPAC) is essential in the effort to repair the broken relationship between the police department and the communities they are supposed to protect. We hold that an institution that can truly discipline and prosecute criminal police, and encourage and uplift moral, law-abiding police, can transform the untenable police lawlessness that currently exists.
The Second People’s Hearing will provide the people with the tools to free their community from police crimes. Along with the typically silenced voices of police crime victims, we will discuss the following:
- What is CPAC and how can we ensure its enactment.
- A comprehensive victim’s plan of action
- Where to find and how to develop, a police crimes victims support group
- How to demand action from the proper politicians or public servants, or how to replace them
- How to file a complaint if you have been a victim of a police crime
- Details and explanation of your human rights and civil rights
It is time for the people to demand that the City Council pass and implement legislation that creates an elected Civilian Police Accountability Council, one with the power to end the reign of terror in Black and Latino communities, and requires that the police truly serve and protect the people of Chicago.
Call to a Second People’s Hearing on Police Crimes
Saturday February 23, 2013 - 11am – 5pm
University of Chicago - Ida Noyes Hall
Chief Nolan CCSP said...
Nolan does not work for the Sheriff's Police, he is a deputy. Chief deputy at a courthouse, thats all. Not the Sheriff's Police.
4/24/2013 12:27:00 AM To the above who does not know his ass from a hole in the ground. Your sucessor agreement stays in effect until a new agreement in negotiated with the city, approved by the membership and approved by the city council. You loose nothing and you keep everything you currently have. Nice try thiugh!!!!! By the way the FOP has met 26 TIMES with the city in contract negotiations. How many time did PBPA meet with the city to come up with that shit contract???????
WOW. FOP should be concerned about their members. Let the sgt' do their own bidding.
Shields should of never be elected in the first place. For this, us old timer' thank the clueless new breed police. You hairgels got what you wanted, now us old timers say, adios and retire.
1st of all , when will sgt and lt union request that all merit promoted receive a pension based on that of a patrolman .
Better yet, how about the P.O.s decertify FOP and sign up with the PBPA. They would get much better and more fair representation..
How about blue shirts just learning to stick together? I have never and will never need or use fop. Totally useless.
Time to call the Teamsters for all of us !
So if the SGTS DE-certified the contract is all thrown out?
WOW
hello does that mean the SGTS can negotiate where they live?
I SWEAR more people with degrees and they still spout half ass theories.
Try and go to a union meeting.
You can also see what retirees do for free pizza and BREW.
Take care of your family or you might end up at these meeting talking about all those guns you took off the street!
People post on this blog about losing a retro check while Rahm is trying to steal their pensions, prove the old saying
" The only thing dumber than a copper, is two coppers."
Keep your eyes on the big issue, the pension. It's worth a million bucks, when you retire.
Leave the sergeant's union alone. They don't need FOP.
For the first time in my career I needed union help. I got a divorce lawyer who knew dick about our job, the law and our GO's. Thanks FOP. I'm saved. All those years of dues has paid off...YOU!
The entire system is a joke. Never had a union in the military and still got raises, had legal representation-if needed-still had a job. It's a hoax and we're forking the bill
4/24/2013 11:57:00 AM
so, you've never benefited from being an employee working under the terms and conditions of a union contract?
really?
and you think comparing the terms and conditions of being an active member of one of the U.S. of A.'s military services to being an employee of a municipality's law enforcement agency is comparing like kind to like kind?
and you're thinking that your union is supposed to help you struggle your way out of your failed marriage?
what else do you think your union is supposed to do, wipe your ass every time you cut a wet fart?
Remember just why the supervisors decided not to go with FOP in the first place. FOP does not have the needs of Sgts first in their mind. FOP sure hasnt done a good job themselves. At least PBPA filed to negotiate on time. FOP and their huge staff forgot. What's up there?
4/24/2013 11:38:00 AM
what, exactly, are the needs of Sergeants?
besides longing to be promoted?
Silly people talk about losing a year of retro but give up 3% every other year for 40 plus years.
Shields is young but he seems to finally be getting it right
I see Rahm's twitter follows SCC's twitter! Haha
Conspiracy???????
Had Mikey not kicked the members of the CPSA board out of the meeting today they would have had eight sgts attend the information meeting. The FOP is after the SGTs money is all it is.
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WHAT MONEY??
The CPSA is broker than the state of Illinois is.
4/24/2013 05:57:00 PM
Dues - 2x month Times 1100 + Sgt.s. It adds up very quickly.
Remember just why the supervisors decided not to go with FOP in the first place. FOP does not have the needs of Sgts first in their mind. FOP sure hasnt done a good job themselves. At least PBPA filed to negotiate on time. FOP and their huge staff forgot. What's up there?
4/24/2013 11:38:00 AM
what, exactly, are the needs of Sergeants?
besides longing to be promoted?
4/24/2013 09:37:00 PM
If you dont know the needs of the Sgt.s then perhaps you should not represent them.
Don't worry about Ade getting cozy with Rahm, what bout Shields not having enough common sense to step away from this part time job with General Iron, who is a major giver of money to the Mayor, and the same could be said about Shields intentionally being late with the letter to the city about intentions to negotiate, nowwe won't get retro pay, Shields is a goof, GOOF GOOF, he fooled a whole bunch of people!!!!!
Im sticking with PBPA and Jim Ade, I don't care if we Sgts. got a contract with a big raise and more of evereything guys like this GOOF Randy Pikowski will never be happy, a young buck with no common sense, don't wish for something you might regret!!!!!
That would be the best thing for all of us. Look at the Fire Dept union Local 2. Everyone is in the same union.
Went with open mind -
Went to meeting tonight. There were only 4 or 5 people at the meeting other than me who were not on current Sgts PBPA Board. State FOP President admitted Sgts lose all assets. Admitted Sgts would not get retro money unless City agrees to it voluntarily (not likely). Admitted that Sgts would be subject to FOP Lodge 7 for legal rep. Pretty much confirmed info that Sgts put out yesterday. Also confirmed that Sgts, Lts, & Capts must be in separate units from patrolmen by state law.
Basically said we could have our own independent "lodge" which would be same set up we have now. They did not offer any way our current situation would not be repeated under FOP. Just different name and our money goes to FOP. It sounds pretty pointless to me. Other than the new name and having to start contract over. They said we would NOT be guaranteed to keep the contract we currently have "everything is subject to negotiation."
It was my impression that this is Mike Shields scheme and that state President is just interested in getting us as dues payers to state FOP. This was not stated just my impression. I feel that FP should take care of their own business and PBPA should do the same. I am guilty of not being involved with PBPA but I am going to get more involved from now on.
FOP worries about too many things.
Many of the people on this blog want to use our tiny union for their own personal purposes. Second amendment advocation, Presidential endorsements, mayoral critiques, even the policies of the police department....all of which is none of our concern. The citizens run the city. If they run it into the ground, so be it.
Our concerns are our contract and IL State Pension laws. Nothing more. Unfortunately for us, all this worrying and advocating for the future of the city or even this country, has put the things that should matter most into jeopardy.
Merit hacks my ass. If they offered a promo to you, you'd take it a heartbeat. " Oh no, keep the stripes, it's not fair". Right.
most sgts will take Teamsters
keep the 45 min a day ot , i we want our pension
wake up , democRats are out to put us in obama care
@ 4/24/2013 07:34:00 PM
"Call to a Second Peoples Hearing on Police Crimes."
?O_o? What the entire FUCK is this?
"The Second people's Hearing on Police Crimes will focus on the problem of police crimes, exploring how police crimes affect violence in the community, and encourage distrust and violence between the community and the police..."
The crazy is just mind blowing!
The Police are being blamed for the modern era tribalism that has numerous people in vast swaths of the West and South Sides who have devolved to the point of literally cannibalizing each other on the streets.
OK... How many different fucking times over the last 50 years have these crazy, self afflicted people with the prompting of yellow-pinky academics, have tried to lay the blame for the ongoing misery on the West and South Sides on The Police?
The federal grant money grifters hiding out behind the ivy walls of places like University of Chicago, are a big part of the problem.
That they are friends of Rahm and Sparkle-Farts should be even more alarming.
If the University of Chicago is behind this, you can bet it will be another "gift" to CPD from that yellow-pinky bastion of academia.
Bullshit and distraction... The Police aren't the ones fueling the booming coffin and funeral suitery business here in Chicago.
Heh... Can we find out if any such is publicly traded?
The Policeman might as well make a little money for his continued grief and aggravation at the hands of these fools and the grant writing bullshit & distraction artistes hiding behind them trying to keep the fire of faux outrage turned up against The Police.
The Police are the enemy.
Viva Hate.
Liberalism is a dreadful mental illness.
This is yet another freshly twisted balloon animal being waved around to deflect from the fact that these smart people at U of C have no fucking answer to the savagery on the streets except to blame it on The Police.
What the fuck is next?
A twenty year study in which Policemen have to fill out survey cards about how they feel about the mutts they come in contact with?
A mandated extra page on an already fucked up beyond salvage computerized arrest form set with the same thing?
in the end, that the study will continue for another twenty years after that because the results won't square with the fucked up narrative the yellow-pinky academics are scripting for the self victimizing Catered to Constituency that lays blame on The Police?
Egad...
Anonymous said...
Im sticking with PBPA and Jim Ade, I don't care if we Sgts. got a contract with a big raise and more of evereything guys like this GOOF Randy Pikowski will never be happy, a young buck with no common sense, don't wish for something you might regret!!!!!
One of the 120+ that voted in favor of that last sgt's. contract.
I,m an Old retired Lt. When White shirts first were able to form a union, The plan was to join FOP as lodge 7a, 7b, & 7c. But in the end we were told no by FOP, just join the general membership. You can see that would not work. we would have joined FOP then if they gave us separate lodges. Which is a better Idea.
Merit hacks my ass. If they offered a promo to you, you'd take it a heartbeat. " Oh no, keep the stripes, it's not fair". Right.
Bull fuckin shit. I wouldn't take a merit spot let alone any spot with this corrupted toilet of a city/dept for all the tea in China!
Your dam right I wouldn't steal a promotion away from someone who earned it. You keep telling yourself you deserve it though you tool!
Anonymous said...
we should not be divided. all sworn should be in 1 union.
4/24/2013 12:56:00 AM
You can't have supervisors and subordinates in the same union.
4/24/2013 08:19:00 AM
Yes you can.
Division is what Daley wanted.
Travelling Down Memory Lane: I'm also a retired white shirt. Yes, FOP rejected our attempts of joining their lodge, as it turned out this was a good thing. Next a major attempt was made by Lt. Tim Nolan (rip) to unite all three supervisors units into a labor unit representing all supervisors ranks. Daley was fearful of this, then Sgt.R.Sodini, President of the Sgt.'s association threw up all type of roadblocks to the alliance. The result being the 3 separate bargaining units. Much easier for Daley to divide and defeat. Later R. Sodini, makes Lieutenant and is given a gold star, probably as payback. Same thing happened later to O'Neil, only Don is a better driver than Ron! lol
Went with open mind -
Went to meeting tonight. There were only 4 or 5 people at the meeting other than me who were not on current Sgts PBPA Board. State FOP President admitted Sgts lose all assets. Admitted Sgts would not get retro money unless City agrees to it voluntarily (not likely). Admitted that Sgts would be subject to FOP Lodge 7 for legal rep. Pretty much confirmed info that Sgts put out yesterday. Also confirmed that Sgts, Lts, & Capts must be in separate units from patrolmen by state law.
Basically said we could have our own independent "lodge" which would be same set up we have now. They did not offer any way our current situation would not be repeated under FOP. Just different name and our money goes to FOP. It sounds pretty pointless to me. Other than the new name and having to start contract over. They said we would NOT be guaranteed to keep the contract we currently have "everything is subject to negotiation."
It was my impression that this is Mike Shields scheme and that state President is just interested in getting us as dues payers to state FOP. This was not stated just my impression. I feel that FP should take care of their own business and PBPA should do the same. I am guilty of not being involved with PBPA but I am going to get more involved from now on.
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Well said open mind. I could not go to meeting because my wife is sick. I'm guilty of apathy to. I'll be seeing you at future PBPA meetings! This move by Shields makes no sense. The State FOP should be in Springfield keeping an eye on what Shields and Donahue instead of wasting time, money etc on this.
Anyways thanks for your post.
"I'm an Old retired Lt. When White shirts first were able to form a union, The plan was to join FOP as lodge 7a, 7b, & 7c. But in the end we were told no by FOP, just join the general membership. You can see that would not work. we would have joined FOP then if they gave us separate lodges. Which is a better Idea."
FOP did not want white shirts in the General Membership. White shirts would not have voting rights or be able to run for office. White shirts would be like "fair share, non members," with nothing more than the legal protection, vehicle sticker, calendar book, and one desk in the corner. Of course the FOP dues would be the same for all.
You should decertify the FOP and have the PBPA represent the members of the FOP!
Look at Mickey Mouse shields ! What has he done for his members ? No retro ? No updates on contract ? Paying FOP monies to represent a exempt Burge in his case ! Dumping FOP members that were not voted for ? Really what has the boy wonder done except get off duty coppers jobs at the scrap yard ! Paying his legal counsel to sexual harass workers and keeping him on the payroll!
Him and the mayor are one termers ! I bet he gets voted out before the contract gets ratified (shields) .
He was at units (MSF and TRU) campaigning with his wallet in his hand saying you gotta vote for me or money will come out of your pocket (summarize) . Then he doesn't get the letter in time to get retro ! Yeah mike won't cost us money and won't give us money either ! Oh yeah and you were not at one roll call explaining to MSF or TRU how they can all get detailed at once ! And saying the FOP ha their backs.
I say decertify the FOP and join the PBPA !
Went with open mind -
Went to meeting tonight. There were only 4 or 5 people at the meeting other than me who were not on current Sgts PBPA Board. State FOP President admitted Sgts lose all assets. Admitted Sgts would not get retro money unless City agrees to it voluntarily (not likely). Admitted that Sgts would be subject to FOP Lodge 7 for legal rep. Pretty much confirmed info that Sgts put out yesterday. Also confirmed that Sgts, Lts, & Capts must be in separate units from patrolmen by state law.
Basically said we could have our own independent "lodge" which would be same set up we have now. They did not offer any way our current situation would not be repeated under FOP. Just different name and our money goes to FOP. It sounds pretty pointless to me. Other than the new name and having to start contract over. They said we would NOT be guaranteed to keep the contract we currently have "everything is subject to negotiation."
It was my impression that this is Mike Shields scheme and that state President is just interested in getting us as dues payers to state FOP. This was not stated just my impression. I feel that FP should take care of their own business and PBPA should do the same. I am guilty of not being involved with PBPA but I am going to get more involved from now
None of these comments are true except the building if it is in the name of PBPA would stay with PBPA. The building is worth less than the mortgage. Let PBPA have it. Everything else this guy said was not said. I really was there.
I really wish FOP would get it's own house in order before it meddles in the affairs of others. How much is this costing FOP members Mike?
WOW. FOP should be concerned about their members. Let the sgt' do their own bidding.
Shields should of never be elected in the first place. For this, us old timer' thank the clueless new breed police. You hairgels got what you wanted, now us old timers say, adios and retire
Sergeants, have requested FOP's help on changing Unions, not FOP going after Sgt's. I suppose if my Union President took one million in dues money and another Union President agreed to take my cola away, I to would be ready to switch unions.
And for the goof that keeps posting that they don't need unions. Check to see what officers are making in the right to work states. You have no clue and thanks to the unions we have the benefits we have today. We have not always enjoyed these benefits.
Will not happen. Should not happen.
Anonymous said...
Merit hacks my ass. If they offered a promo to you, you'd take it a heartbeat. " Oh no, keep the stripes, it's not fair". Right.
4/24/2013 11:20:00 PM
Anonymous said...
most sgts will take Teamsters
keep the 45 min a day ot , i we want our pension
wake up , democRats are out to put us in obama care
4/24/2013 11:21:00 PM
No, most sergeants will not throw in with the outfit. And no, I'd never steal another mans promotion.
Something to consider...
I like the proposed idea of merit promotees being given at retirement a patrolmans or last rank legitimately obtained retirement benefit.
We are 96 Million in pension debt in this state we must do something. This seem to be a fair and equitable way of trimming the fat and a way to make this corrupted department more right sided.
Several groups of Sgts approached the FOP about decertifying the PBPA and joining the FOP, not the other way around. Not everybody on the FOP board is in favor of the Sgts joining. It might be a tough sell.
Everyone should decert and join SEIU...sure they're Obama people, but they get contracts done and bend over their members for only half the price.
Bull fuckin shit. I wouldn't take a merit spot let alone any spot with this corrupted toilet of a city/dept for all the tea in China!
4/25/2013 02:05:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Your dam right I wouldn't steal a promotion away from someone who earned it. You keep telling yourself you deserve it though you tool!
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Nothing to deserve, just making an observation. But you WOULD take it. MAYBE when the boss who was putting you in told you he was considering submitting your name you MIGHT say no thanks, but I doubt it. No one ever turns it down. Tact team, park car, 06 car, accident car, sgt, Lt, Or Capt. Doesn't matter. Go to the burglary side or the RBT side. Sometimes it's who you know, and sometimes it's what you did. Sometimes you do well on a test. But human nature is what it is. You'd take it. You just won't admit it.
Anonymous said...
Im sticking with PBPA and Jim Ade, I don't care if we Sgts. got a contract with a big raise and more of evereything guys like this GOOF Randy Pikowski will never be happy, a young buck with no common sense, don't wish for something you might regret!!!!!
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Explain what the PBPA has done other than steal over a million dollars from the membership,and offer us a bull xxxt contract. have you ever attended one of the meetings, never heard a treasures report they would say if you had any interest come into the office during the day, the saddest part is that after all the money and scandal the less informed voted the same group back in. A number of new people ran for the positions and were much more qualified however the old regime was voted right back in. Now you have the select few bad mouthing everything about Shields this is not about Shields the Sergeants will operate their own branch and will be governed by Sergeants however both groups will operate more unified. Across the country involving FOP all ranks are under one same as the fire department teachers etc. this gives them all the strenght true years ago Nolan and company did not want the Sergeants and we are the only FOP that is not unified as all others. And as for the meetings that occured at least tell the truth or don't say anything as to what Ted Street had to say, as it is quite apparent you are a liar. As you Sergeants make your decision consider the strenght in numbers you voted the contract out consider the future. The contract will remain the same this can be verified by the labor board, the building well from what I know is very much underwater, and then vote in a a brand new group of officers, and go forward.
Sorry wouldn't take it. That's why this department is screwed up. The bosses running it have no clue. You may have been a good cop at one time but just remember you took that potential spot away from another brother or sister in blue who earned it and probably studied their ass off thinking they had a shot. Call me old school but I believe that things should be earned and not given!
Metropolitan Alliance of Police folks!! Check them out!
New union = No retro = No thanks
I called the Labor Board myself Friday -
The way Illinois law reads if the union that reps you doesn't file mediation/arbitration paper work prior to end of City's fiscal year no pay raise can be effective until the next year. The Labor board agent told me that the earliest a new union could file the paperwork would be prior to December of this year and the soonest any new Union contract could include ANY pay raise is the start of next fiscal year or January 1, 2014 for us. I asked whatif an arbitrator found that we deserved more pay They said the City cannot be forced to do so and an arbitrator cannot order it under the law.
Anyone that says different is lying - look it up. It's in Article 12 of the Labor statute.
FOP Sucks and everyone else around the country seems to know it but us.
Check other major cities Newark, Las Vegas, Dallas and Ft. Worth, Boston, Miami, LA, San Diego, Houston, and NYPD are PBA and are all in National Association of Police Organizations aka NAPO as is Illinois PBPA They are not FOP theybare all PBA or some variation except for NYPD Sgts who are in FOP but do their own thing.
Chicago is only major city in the US that has FOP as its union. This stunt with Sgts just shows how fucked up we are in Chicago. Where's our contract at? Why arent you working on that or working on unfucking us out of a years back pay? Why isn't the state top going after Sheilds over that? Take care of thee people,you already have who pay you before you ever think about tryingt o get new members.
The goof they brought up,from Springfield to talk to Sgts just ran for national FOP President and got his ass kicked after going all around the country telling FOP members how bad the current and newly re-elected national President is and how screwed up national FOP priorities are? He didn't even get all of Illinois votes.
Sgts need to attend the next meeting in May. If change is agreed to, vote of no confidence and signatures are needed.
I never heard from the president like I had in the last week, desperate emails one after another
Do your research before you run your mouth, or would that be fingers since this is a blog. FOP is the largest law enforcement organization on the planet, Period!
I've heard enough from Mikey mouse and his friend goofy. Mike and Gieger lied to us. They said they filed the paperwork and we were ok and turns out they didn't. Another in long string of FOP lies.
Here's the result of some pretty easy to do research.
FOP represents only 2 of the 10 largest cities in the US. And they do a shit job for at least one of those two namely - Chicago That's the facts. Period!
So much for that whole strength in numbers thing.
Whatever the name of the union is its only going to be as good as its members make it. Maybe the blue shirts and the white shirts need to invest in their respective unions instead of wasting time on here.
Amazing when you go back in time for a clear perspective.
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