City Retirees Moved to ObamaCare
- Chicago will phase out its 55 percent subsidy for retiree health care by January 2017 but continue that coverage for the oldest retirees, under a mayoral plan that will free taxpayers from a $108.7 million a year burden. Thirty thousand retired city employees will be forced to switch to Obamacare.
[...]More than 35,000 government retirees have been on pins and needles waiting to find out whether Mayor Rahm Emanuel will continue their city-subsidized health insurance after June 30, when a 10-year settlement agreement that calls for the city to share costs with retirees is due to expire.
They are not likely to be relieved when they find out how Emanuel has decided to resolve the politically volatile issue.
There was this though:
- But 5,500 of the oldest and most vulnerable retirees—known in the marathon litigation as the “Korshak class”—will be guaranteed a 55 percent subsidy as long as they live. They retired before Aug. 23, 1989. Specifics of the three-year phaseout for the remaining retirees will be unveiled by the end of the year.
- The annual costs do not include police and fire early retirees, who receive free health care under the active employee benefit plan until they become eligible for Medicare.
This is going to change a lot of retirement equations. It will probably end up in court for years, too.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
112 Comments:
how? tell me?
Repeal ObamaCare
The city will drag the court cases out until the retirees are dead and gone.
The way promiese are being broken we may want to demand our pay nightly..up front!
Hey you're laughing but don't contractors always want half or at least a portion of the money for their work up front?
This bait and switch stuff is b.s.
Oh, we are setting money aside for your retirement and your healthcare.
Then when it comes time to collect the money it's spent on some other mayoral b.s and the theft is then called a reform.
What it comes down to is that this money that is "set aside" and invested for us all is actually just another tax in our paychecks, right?
Building a basketball arena at McCormack place and blowing money on Riverwalk parks and Maggie parks to enhance rich billion dollar real estates moguls property values are tools. Tools used as pension payments are skipped to build the things and used for demands for more tax, fines and fees. Don't let the crisis that you made go to waste Rahm.
Put them on ObamaCare. Then on the Food Stamp program as the health care cost drive them into poverty.
Once on the Food Stamp program the media can publish stories on how grandpa is buying sugary soft drinks and maybe a candy bar and how we shouldn't allow that.
The political appartus wants control over everything. Food Stamps will be just anouther tool to control peoples calorie intake.
Well heck..only saving Taxpayers $108.7 million per year by tossing City Retirees to the ObamaCare Wolves after they have been paying part of their health insurance and have paid up to 18 per cent each month from their pay checks while "Whatever Maggie Wants, Maggie Gets"....even now, rest in peace dear lady but because of Richie...the Taxpayers will pay $55 million for a Park in Maggie's name....while Richie makes big money from the Law Office that put together the lousy Parking Meter Deal...and we do mean Deal...Deal for Dem but not for Dose!!!! How much more does the City owe You and your Greedy Richie?? And the Laugh of the Century goes to ALL the Idiots who will vote for Bill Daley for Governor. Suckers. Don't we ever grow up in Illinois and vote these crooks out of office....they don't deserve us!!!!
How does one, in this environment, plan for anything ?
So much for. .....hey kid, you knew when you came on the job. .....
These guys have made an art of changing the rules in the middle of the game.
If this surprises you, you are soft.
People at police annuity have said that the cost of health insurance for one retiree will be approximately $865 per month. The cost for one retire plus one will be approximately $1000 per month.
Basically the city is still offering retiree's insurance, but the city is not going to pay any portion of it. It will be paid by the retiree and by the pension fund.
Good thing Rahm's plan to fk city workers is going to save taxpayers $108 million dollars. Obviously that's where he got the money to build the DePaul losers a new stadium.
as a retiree who wa born just after 1955 and who gets no COLAs Im now getting fucked again
Well rahm it's safe to say you lost another 35000 votes with this decision
Obama care for working class folks means you will get to the back of the line behind every welfare gubnet con artist and every illegal alien. Then when you get around that 70 year old mark the Federal "Death Panel" will decide if you get any more care or are sent home to die.
No money for Retiree healthcare but 100 million for a private college. Once again the city is not broke just has money for what they want!
years of service down the drain but lets take care of the illegal's and those on welfare! tick tock......
Ya gotta love the "Kingdom of Rahm"
The state is going bonkers trying to figure out if or when they can change or eliminate retiree health care without running afoul of the state constitution. Rahm just makes up his mind to do it and goes with it. "So it shall be wriiten, so it shall be done"
Why cover insurance for people under 63? They can still work.
Not to mention: What happens when ObamaCare is discarded in the future? Then what?
who cares, show up at Stroger, so you wait a little longer, and get some of the best health care around.
Oh well. I know a lot of coppers that voted for Obama. Enjoy it.
The FOP should have taken over the health care for the members, both active and retired, years ago. But for whatever reasons (read politics) the past FOP administrations didn't take over the healthcare for its members.
For those who want to say I don't know what I am talking about - BULLSHIT!
The FOP could have ran its own healthcare plan. If the members wanted, they could have stayed with the city's plan or opted out and go with the FOPs plan.
Now the retirees are screwed. The question now becomes how long before the active members and their families get screwed?
All you new officers take note, this is how the city treats its employees.
Does the affect the 55 and out plan? Bueller bueller! Anyone know? Again rahm is screwing us!
I am sure the pension system will also stop their subsidy for retired police officers. You will have to go to the state exchanges and pay for health care insurance. It will be expensive. I could not even guess the cost. But, if you go on the Blue cross/Blue Shield web site and find the plan that comes close to what retired cops have now, it will cost you $1700 per month.
none of these shitheads are getting their benefits reduced--- nobody is going to "baby mama" and telling her that you have a 2 kid limit and if you have anymore you will not get benefits for them--- rahmbo is stirring the pot and has already alienated the CTU and clergy--- he has now set the stage for a huge battle with his unionized work force--- generate no revenue for this fool and his 50 thieves....
This will be a disaster, One term Mayor!!!
Remember that Rahm will need to seek approval by the city council. Well now Edison Park Irish, let's see how Mary O'Connor votes on this one. Let's watch how O'Connor, who received campaign money from Emmanuel, vote's to protect the economic well being of her police and fire constituents! Frightened? Better crawl done to the Heritage Center and grab a quick one to steady your nerves! You reap what you sow.
Government pensioners to be included in Obamacare?? **gasp**Of course, this will never apply to the Congress, but I will party so hard if this comes to apply to the most corrupt union in the country--the Chicago Teachers' Union. Then we will see how the useful idiots holler. I hope to see that day. I have despaired, BTW, of seeing Obamacare repealed, but it could still happen. Otherwise, folks, we are all screwed.
Just remember boys and girls keep busting your butts for Rahm and the city, just as we did.... During 68 DNC, Days of RAge, various riots. Those criminals involved are now running this country. Some political whore will stick it to you when it's your time to retire too.
That's Rahm's way of showing gratitude for your decades of public service to the city.
You think Rahm will settle for Obamacare when he retires?
Hell no mayors and Aldermen get top tier Cadillac health care for the rest of their lives! Yeah that's fair and equitable. Shared sacrifice huh???
What is Mikey and the FOP doing about our benefits being taken away?
We as PO's will continue to gripe about these matters and do nothing about it!! Inform the new kids about what is going on! Then tell all the savages to head downtown for open season on tourists and our 1% citizens. ha ha!
Okay,...city will phase out the 55% plan by 2017 for all retiree's except those retired before 1989. Did I recall that correctly from what I just read? Any word on those of us who retired after 1989 but before that 55 and out sweetheart deal guaranteeing benefits. This information must have come from somewhere. Where can one view the referenced material/information. It's gotta be somewhere. SCC, please post a source. It sure as Hell ain't on the FOP website.
That is why I won't retire. I will stay until the bitter end. For my family.
I have been following this on Sid Davis's Chicago's Finest Facebook page and can't help but notice all the question's directed to Sid on Korshak. Sid keeps telling us to read the FOP newsletter. Ah helloooo there is NO answer in the FOP newsletter. When will the FOP and Mike Shields step up to the plate for retiree's who are having their benefits stolen by the city. If Shields allows the city to dump us to obamacare what happens if it gets struck down by congress in the future?
chicago welcomes Illegals , provide health , housing , food and education for Illegals
this same democRatic politicians take away benefits from American Citizens that worked 20 to 40 years for the city of chicago
democRats want to lower the life style of middle class in chicago
keep voting for these b t ds
work for gas , electric . telephone co you're next on the hit list
every citizen also pays for your pension
Impossible .. The Affordable Healthcare Act is NOT a single payer health care insurance. In other words its NOT insurance. It only sets certain guidelines that insurance companies must follow. ( covering preexisting medical conditions, covering children on insurance til the age of 21, covering all basic immunizations of children, covering basic wellness physicals, etc..) Where's the link stating its now an insurance ?
Barry Obama is going to be a lame duck real soon now. His Liberal media butt lickers are all in a tussel because they found out their rock star has been spying on them. Oh my oh my. The 2014 mid term elections will give the GOP control over the US Congress until little wannabe Chicago Hood Barry leaves Washington. Obama Care will never get off the ground. The entire idea of giving affordable health care to everyone is a joke. Problem is many working class folks who worked all their lives will get cheated.
Posted earlier asking the source. Found the story in Google news by entering "Chicago police healthcare" and it's in a Sun Times article.
The dummycrats will never learn, they keep voting in these pieces of shit democRATS into office over and over again and not holding them accountable. Lets see, the millionaires and elites in the city get a wrigley field expansion, a new river walk, a new magey daley (barf) park, mc cormick place expansion(wink,wink, DePaul sports arena), land stolen away from where once public housing stood and given away to different universities to expand and build buildings on, yet the city is broke and cannot meet contractual promises made to its city workers who are in their final days and need the city to for fill their obligations.
Wait, and what to the sheeple of the city of Chicago who keep reelecting these lying/steeling politicians? Pensions reform, union busting,school closings, red light cameras, speeding cameras, police surveillance cameras, speed bumps, parking meters, mental Health clinics closings, higher water rates, highest gasoline prices in the nation, highest crime and muder rates in the nation, a under funded and staffed police department. Hey but they are the party for the poor and the blue collar worker and everything they do is for "The Children", god are you people so dumb and naive. I can't wait to see this fucking city, county, and state in my rear view mirror! And that includes the people who live in them!
I wonder if the aldermen will receive Obama care?
Brothers and sisters, as soon as you can retire, get OUT of this
hell hole state of Illinois.
Your property taxes and gas prices in surrounding
states, i.e. Indiana are half of what they are here.
All Retirees should maintain a Chicago address for voting and VOTE!
If you can put a box with a wedding dress in a closet of your old home then run for mayor then you can hang your picture on the wall of your kid's house and vote absentee.
Continue to receive mail there, just print up some Avery labels, "Please forward to..." and have your kid drop them in any mailbox.
As long as you don't vote anywhere else it will be just fine.
Make the politicians FEAR US.
I knew this was coming and next will be all city workers, currently working, on the Obama care medical scam, also known as the socialist medical program. But you know the politicians such as the dales, the madrigals, cullerons, emmanuals,obamas, etc. will get the best of the best medical care, along with free gun-toting, 24/7/365 body guards courtesy of you, the taxpayers.
Obamacare = DEATHcare. If you ever bored go and read this bill or the analisys of it. It is SCARY to say the least...
Anonymous said...
Well rahm it's safe to say you lost another 35000 votes with this decision
5/15/2013 03:34:00 AM
The entire 35,000 do not live in Chicago.
Holy Death Panels, Robin!
Services charged on a sliding scale no doubt. Retired cop making 60g, gets no play
I hope FOP can file an injunction to keep the city from acting until the case is heard, this is absolutely ridiculous.
Yes, just keep voting for liberal democrats. Looks like Lisa madigan or Bill daley for hight office in this state. Thats right, vote by party and not for the candidate. Vote by race and not by the candidate. Thats what happened in Detroit.
“My biggest fear is that some of them won’t be able to live within their means. They have mortgages to pay. Many still have educations they’re paying for — older children in their teens with college educations to pay for. They want to enjoy their golden years,” said Ald. Matt O’Shea (19th), whose Southwest Side ward is home to scores of city retirees.
Alderman:
Just vote against it.
Wait till we get put into obamacare, its a very good possibility during these contract talks.
In case you didn't know, the Benefits Section @ 300 S State is no more. That function was quietly outsourced to a company in Atlanta effective January 1, 2013. Friend's daughter was dropped from health insurance and when he called to inquire he found out that important bit of info. He is getting the major run-around from the company who keeps bouncing the ball back into the city's court. Daughter still not added. Beware!
Old Retired Guy Here, Again !
So does this mean I will be standing in line, with everybody else ? People that never contributed to society. People that never worked two jobs, to send their children to Catholic Schools. People that are not citizens. People that come, for just the free stuff. People that never paid taxes, nor social security, and medicare. What gives Mr. Mayor. Not enough money to pay Blue Cross and Blue Shield for my Medicare Supplement. I am already contributing 205 dollars a month for that supplement. How much in real dollars, would it cost the city ? I wonder.
"With all Our Rage, We are Still, Just, Rats In A Cage"
“My biggest fear is that some of them won’t be able to live within their means. They have mortgages to pay. Many still have educations they’re paying for — older children in their teens with college educations to pay for. They want to enjoy their golden years,” said Ald. Matt O’Shea (19th), whose Southwest Side ward is home to scores of city retirees.
Its the shell game. The 6 to 10 aldermen that have a large voting block of city workers in their ward, put on a show with the mayors permission and the vote is still 40-10 and gets passed. Then when the next election comes, they can say they voted against it
Okay,...city will phase out the 55% plan by 2017 for all retiree's except those retired before 1989. Did I recall that correctly from what I just read? Any word on those of us who retired after 1989 but before that 55 and out sweetheart deal guaranteeing benefits. This information must have come from somewhere. Where can one view the referenced material/information. It's gotta be somewhere. SCC, please post a source. It sure as Hell ain't on the FOP website.
Good question in 3 1/2 years you will no longer have any city health care, but according to the news release Rahm said you will be able to get Obamacare that guarantees healthcare to everyone. Two problems tho, how much will it cost and what if Illinois opts out of Obamacare
All Retirees should maintain a Chicago address for voting and VOTE!
If you can put a box with a wedding dress in a closet of your old home then run for mayor then you can hang your picture on the wall of your kid's house and vote absentee.
Continue to receive mail there, just print up some Avery labels, "Please forward to..." and have your kid drop them in any mailbox.
As long as you don't vote anywhere else it will be just fine.
Make the politicians FEAR US.
Make the politicians fear us.; What are you smoking? They laugh at us. Where have you been?
Remember that Rahm will need to seek approval by the city council. Well now Edison Park Irish, let's see how Mary O'Connor votes on this one. Let's watch how O'Connor, who received campaign money from Emmanuel, vote's to protect the economic well being of her police and fire constituents! Frightened? Better crawl done to the Heritage Center and grab a quick one to steady your nerves! You reap what you sow.
I'm sure she will vote against it along with a small group of other alderman who have large numbers of city workers in their ward. Rahm understands that, says its ok, then they owe him a favor and the vote still passes easily. Its a game the politicians play
I hope FOP can file an injunction to keep the city from acting until the case is heard, this is absolutely ridiculous.
They havent done so , so far. What about the pension board, why are they silent? They have a stake and interest in this. They contribute 13% into you retiree health care premium. Are they going to continue to do this? Or are they sitting back and waiting and then say the city phased it out so we are not going to continue to contribute our 13% Just asking, they are very silent
Well rahm it's safe to say you lost another 35000 votes with this decision
5/15/2013 03:34:00 AM
The entire 35,000 do not live in Chicago.
Not a valid statement, actually a pretty dumb statement. You are assuming all 35,000 voted for Rahm last time which sure didn't happen. Depending on who he is running against, he will still get some of the votes. Are northwest and southwest side residents going to vote for Dorothy Brown, Anthony Beale or Roberto Maldonado?, I dont think so.
People at police annuity have said that the cost of health insurance for one retiree will be approximately $865 per month. The cost for one retire plus one will be approximately $1000 per month.
Basically the city is still offering retiree's insurance, but the city is not going to pay any portion of it. It will be paid by the retiree and by the pension fund.
Good thing Rahm's plan to fk city workers is going to save taxpayers $108 million dollars. Obviously that's where he got the money to build the DePaul losers a new stadium.
Wrong, in 3 1/2 years the city is not offering retirees health care. In the press release Rahm said you can get your health insurance thru Obamacare, not the city
I called FOP. Clueless
..always , always vote Republican , to try to change this crap..
SCC,
It's obvious to us that this piece of shit union FOP and the snot nose Mike Shields are useless to organize against this city. What we need is a march on city hall. SCC you could organize this with the fire dept. We need to stand up and let our voices be heard. This mayor is gonna stick it to us. Now he is spending money on building a park for Daley, river walk and now a stadium for DePaul. WTF!!!!! SCC organize a march at the Ballerina's house and City Hall. Remember they need us. We don't need them. The city could find money for all these useless projects but not fund our pensions. The time has come to march and show our strength.
Anonymous said...
I hope FOP can file an injunction to keep the city from acting until the case is heard, this is absolutely ridiculous.
5/15/2013 01:31:00 PM
Or until this sawed off little pricks one term is up.I phoned my alderstooges office today and got the "I don't knows"from one of his lackeys.I'll keep calling and be a pain.This dosen't just affect retirees it also affects anyone planning to ever retire as well as their family.
WTF gov't obamma care can pay for illegals and non working americans health care but always has to cut military , social security and benefits from the working class
what type of government spies on press , controls guns for law abiding citizens but not criminals,
leave U.S. Citizens to die , lie about it , tax everything and allow illegals to invade our country without any penalties???
Anonymous said...
Well rahm it's safe to say you lost another 35000 votes with this decision
5/15/2013 03:34:00 AM
35,000,God knows how many family members and also people looking to retire soon.Someone organize the march/protest NOW.Also bombard your aldermen with complaints over this BS!
I just don't know what I am going to do! I thought that after serving Honorably for all those years, My wife and I would have good insurance, I guessed wrong!
The city does not pay 55 percent of chgo police retiree's health care premiums. The retiree pays 1/3, the pension fund pays 1/3, and the city pays 1/3.
As far as chgo police - the new plan is that the city will not be paying their 1/3. So the retiree will have to pay 2/3, and the pension fund pays 1/3.
None of this affects those who retired with the age 55 deal of the century.
everone who voted for Obama and Rahm I hope your happy now you got what you wanted
Free taxpayers of $100MM in costs? Where do they think the funds for the disaster called Obamacare are coming from? "Care" at a much higher cost with a much lower quality. This country is screwed. Soon your pensions will be moved to another bankrupt fund...social security.
That is why I won't retire. I will stay until the bitter end. For my family.
5/15/2013 10:22:00 AM
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I hear ya brother.
If you guys think Rahm is going to stop at the retirees you've got another thing coming. It's going to be Obamacare for all of us.
Will this also affect retired CPS teachers? I want to hear what Karen Lewis has to say about Rahm's lastest move.
You all are forgetting two things here.
During his campaign Rahm said he no intentions of screwing with the cities retires and their healthcare.
A few of you mentioned this going to court. It has already been to court and it was the court that decided that the City had no obligation to provide health care after June 2014. Court, sorry to say that ship has already sailed, boys!
$108 million a year? They could save that by eliminating just one Aldermans spot. Just imagine how much they could save if they if they eliminated 15 spots!.
"Barry Obama is going to be a lame duck real soon now."
Are you thinking of exercising your second amendment rights?
Since most of these unionistas voted for Obama and Rahm, they're merely getting what they voted for. Why all the complaining? Oh right - they support Obamacare for the "little people" but not for themselves, no sir. They want the gold-plated taxpayer provided plan that we can no longer afford due to years of overfunding union benefits.
When the dumbocrats passed obamacare with the back room deals/Chicago way of politics it was the first step in making the US healthcare system one of socialized medicine. Health insurance used to be an employment perk; what incentive does an employer have to provide healthcare coverage when the government will do it for everyone? Health insurance will become something only the very wealthy will be able to afford if this law is allowed to be fully implemented.
Scum sucking politician maggot bastards.
No money for retiree health care but $55 million for fat ass maggie daley park. $250 million for malcolm x school of remedial reading. Scum sucking mother fuckers. I will pisss on their graves if ever given the chance.
All you 019th District warriors who guard 4428 N Hermitage be aware of how fucked you will all get upon retirement. When you see the face of the devil in the morning and evening, remember he is the reason you and your family will have to scramble to pay medical bills.
The piss bums on the sidewalk will get treated better. Keep on smiling at the bastard mayor and playing with your pad computers while you keep lucifer and his family safe.
Now it's clear; Obamacare is punishment for the working man and woman. This will create even greater class separation by further eroding the middle class. Ooops...must be time for some more income re-distribution.
So the guy who never works a day in his life and drinks 40's for a living will have the same insurance as a first responder who has dedicated 30+ years of his life to public service?
Your right about the Polce hater Mary Oconnor,the mayor will probably give her a pass and let her vote no on the insurance issue.Here we went from a solid Republican ward to a left wing liberal ward run by Oconnor.Shame on anybody that voted against Maurita Gavin.Maybe after the next election Oconnor will put back up the apply for LINK sign back in her window.Ask the Sectin 8 voters from West of Cumberland what they think of her.The love her.By the way,Obama won the 41st ward by over 2000 votes in the last election,if Doherty was there ,do you think that would happen?
nonymous said...
I hope FOP can file an injunction to keep the city from acting until the case is heard, this is absolutely ridiculous.
They havent done so , so far. What about the pension board, why are they silent? They have a stake and interest in this. They contribute 13% into you retiree health care premium. Are they going to continue to do this? Or are they sitting back and waiting and then say the city phased it out so we are not going to continue to contribute our 13% Just asking, they are very silent
5/15/2013 04:48:00 PM
I spoke with the pension fund people and they said that city hall has not included them in any of this decision making. They said there is no doubt they will be the last to know.
Anonymous said...
Well rahm it's safe to say you lost another 35000 votes with this decision
5/15/2013 03:34:00 AM
35,000,God knows how many family members and also people looking to retire soon.Someone organize the march/protest NOW.Also bombard your aldermen with complaints over this BS!
5/15/2013 05:59:00 PM
He probably gained a lot mroe votes of people who will say, "Damn right, screw those lousy City Workers, I don't get retiree health care, why should they?"
And what do you expect aldermen to do? Support you? Hah! They have their own benefits to worry about!
Anonymous said...
Does the affect the 55 and out plan? Bueller bueller! Anyone know? Again rahm is screwing us!
5/15/2013 08:13:00 AM
Do you know how to read? Bueller, Bueller, Do you know? Can you read? Hello, can someone interpret the article for this poor person, he is lacking severely in reading and comprehension.
You are getting screwed the most of anybody! You were obviously born with very few working brain cells. Poor guy.
"But the mayor also wants to ensure that our retirees who served this city honorably have access to healthcare and the critical information they need to make informed decisions."
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OK, anyone with a brain can interpret that one and act accordingly. Either you find alernate healthcare, like through a spouse or other employment, or you work until mandatory retirement, age 63, and take your screwing then.
I have suggested a number of times, to FOP, that the first increase in pension contributions from all active duty police and fire paychecks, ought to go for retiree healthcare.
We ought to kick in to the pension fund, through all our working lives, that subsidizes our own retiree health care. This now is critical.
As it is, a 1% increase is need to fund the 3% COLA for all police, no matter their birthdate and another 1% increase to fund our own retiree healthcare.
Don't think that is important? Ask the thousands of retirees who will get shoved into Obamacare.
All you police still working, this will effect you all someday, pay attention please. Forget about nonsense like retro, this effects yours and your families future security.
This is what faces all current police and fire: current pension contribution: 9% plus 1% for COLA, plus 1% for retiree healthcare, plus 2% for pension fund security.
That comes to 13% for current police and fire pension contribution. At least!
Why cover insurance for people under 63? They can still work.
Sure they can. Just like the hundreds of thousands on welfare, but you don't see the politicians screaming for reform there.
A couple of observations. My brother, who is retired, is paying about $1400 out of pocket for family insurance. He has a couple of major preconditions as well. So I am not sure where the city is coming up with $1700.
The next point...insurance costs vary by state. After I retired we moved out of state and applied for BC/BS Anthem. The wife and kid went on (I was rejected due to sleep apnea) and the policy runs under $400 a month. So, took them off the city plan and dropped my cost from $862 to $333. It is cheaper than having the family plan.
Last point, regarding Obamacare. I was told by BC/BS that while I was rejected for now, once Obamacare becomes effective in 2014 I can reapply and they will not be able to take into consideration pre-existing issues. In the interim, if I chose I could go to the state exchange. I'll just wait until next summer, but at least its an option.
So, my point is, if you are retired and living out of state, and did not qualify for the 55 year old option, start shopping for insurance locally. Its amazing how cheap insurance OUT of Illinois can be compared to getting it IN Illinois.
For the rest of you....FLEE!
Anonymous said...
Okay,...city will phase out the 55% plan by 2017 for all retiree's except those retired before 1989. Did I recall that correctly from what I just read? Any word on those of us who retired after 1989 but before that 55 and out sweetheart deal guaranteeing benefits. This information must have come from somewhere. Where can one view the referenced material/information. It's gotta be somewhere. SCC, please post a source. It sure as Hell ain't on the FOP website.
Good question in 3 1/2 years you will no longer have any city health care, but according to the news release Rahm said you will be able to get Obamacare that guarantees healthcare to everyone. Two problems tho, how much will it cost and what if Illinois opts out of Obamacare
5/15/2013 04:37:00 PM
This article is referring to the 55 Percent (%) of the premium Costs that the city pays on your premium. This is Not the 55 year old (age) and out that is currently available. That comes under obama health care which may not be around after January. Obama and Medicare will prob be combined shortly as one may not sustain legal challenges and the latter unable to thrive economically under the strain of demand. Sooner than later,we'll all have our premiums deducted and sent to the kremlin. Illinois was the first to commit and no doubt in for the long haul.
Anonymous said...
In case you didn't know, the Benefits Section @ 300 S State is no more. That function was quietly outsourced to a company in Atlanta effective January 1, 2013. Friend's daughter was dropped from health insurance and when he called to inquire he found out that important bit of info. He is getting the major run-around from the company who keeps bouncing the ball back into the city's court. Daughter still not added. Beware!
This is bullshit.Ijust had a conversation with a long time employee at Benefits Mgmt. Called her at the city phone number and she mailed me the documents that I needed.
Why waste your time voting in this city. I am done.
My parents been dead for years and still vote according to the board of elections.
The political appartus wants control over everything. Food Stamps will be just anouther tool to control peoples calorie intake.
5/15/2013 12:49:00 AM
Some of these heifers with LINK cards need to have their caloric intake controlled......
his is what faces all current police and fire: current pension contribution: 9% plus 1% for COLA, plus 1% for retiree healthcare, plus 2% for pension fund security.
That comes to 13% for current police and fire pension contribution. At least!
5/16/2013 03:15:00 AM
and be happy with your 1/2% raise !
I think it is time to start looking at alternate health care plans for all members and use this and opt out of the city's greedy hands in BCBS. Det. King was on this years ago and city said no cuz they knew they would lose all their bs patronage jobs,, you know who when you call the benefits dept. Let's make lemonade out of lemons and start thinking about ourselves FOP !!!
Impossible .. The Affordable Healthcare Act is NOT a single payer health care insurance. In other words its NOT insurance. It only sets certain guidelines that insurance companies must follow. ( covering preexisting medical conditions, covering children on insurance til the age of 21, covering all basic immunizations of children, covering basic wellness physicals, etc..) Where's the link stating its now an insurance ?
It's not a single payer plan because your favorite republican legislators voted against that proposal, which would have reduced the cost to individuals by a hell of a lot if not zero cost to individuals needing it (retirees, etc.). It's all about the money that insurance companies and big business funnel into politicians' pockets to avoid having to cut their own bloated profits, bonuses and salaries. Think not, then you need an education. So how come the DOW is over 15,000 and business is making record profits while you still get the short end of the stick broken off in your ass?
Been retired over 10 years , if I get put in obama care , every city worker , politician and police collecting disability pension better be put in the same 3rd world obama health care policy .
Anonymous said...
That is why I won't retire. I will stay until the bitter end. For my family.
5/15/2013 10:22:00 AM
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I hear ya brother.
5/15/2013 08:15:00 PM
And here I retired early FOR my Family.2 different opinions I guess.
Stay Safe Sir.
Anonymous said...
Why cover insurance for people under 63? They can still work.
5/15/2013 07:06:00 AM
Go find a job when you're 60.
Idiot.
Anonymous said...
WTF gov't obamma care can pay for illegals and non working americans health care but always has to cut military , social security and benefits from the working class
what type of government spies on press , controls guns for law abiding citizens but not criminals,
leave U.S. Citizens to die , lie about it , tax everything and allow illegals to invade our country without any penalties???
5/15/2013 05:53:00 PM
It's a Socialist/Communist Utopia.
Yeah and they can do this and get away with it because all the have to do is wave time and a half and these coppers jump all over it. The city is attempting to diminish our pensions and stop paying for retiree's medical insurance. What does the membership do ? Help the same people that are trying, no ARE FUCKING THEM OVER! They work CHA, CTA special employment, and the infamous VRI. We are own worst enemy, can't have two coppers agree on where to eat lunch and 9.5 knows this. We should stick together and only work our regular shift and let the city see they should not cross us, but what do I know.
This just in...
House votes to repeal ObamaCare in 229-125 vote
Fox News - 1 hour ago
So now what?
Boy Rahm's a swell guy for looking out for the oldest group of retiree's.
Has anyone done the math? This group consists of people who retired prior to 1989. So if the youngest ones were at least 50 in 1989 they're minimum of 74 and up now.
Not to be morbid but how much longer are these retiree's projected to live? Good old slick Rahm will back this group cause there's not that many of them and what's left of them are on borrowed time. What a guy that Rahm is.
"City Retirees Moved to ObamaCare"
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The most important thing to happen to police officers in many years; something that will effect all our lives after retirement and it draws 98 comments in two days.
People are too busy worrying about their retro pay or mother fucking the FOP or cursing out some Lt. to be concerned with their own post retirement health care. Oh well, ho hum. I am still working so it doesn't effect me. I just want my time due approved.
Anonymous said...
..always , always vote Republican , to try to change this crap..
5/15/2013 05:26:00 PM
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Do you honestly believe that the Republicans really would fight for you to get your entitlement of Retiree Health Care?
Think again. They would just as soon take away your pension and health care and tell you to pick yourself up by your bootstraps and pay for that insurance on your own by saving.
We are screwed and the sooner you realize it the better off you will be. When both the Dems and Republicans are against you...you are screwed. The Republicans are supporters of law enforcement but only to the point of enforcing the law. They can care less about your pension, pay and benefits because when it comes down to it, you are just another Government Employee who's benefits need "Reform."
Anonymous said...
Boy Rahm's a swell guy for looking out for the oldest group of retiree's.
Has anyone done the math? This group consists of people who retired prior to 1989. So if the youngest ones were at least 50 in 1989 they're minimum of 74 and up now.
Not to be morbid but how much longer are these retiree's projected to live? Good old slick Rahm will back this group cause there's not that many of them and what's left of them are on borrowed time. What a guy that Rahm is.
5/16/2013 10:29:00 PM
Everyone on the job now who it 55 or older better seriously consider leaving to guarantee themselves and their family coverage until 65. Otherwise it is work till 63 with no guarantee of healthcare.
Thanks for being a good loyal employee. Now go fuck yourself.
And no guarantee 55 and out or 60 and healthcare will continue. An arbiatrator will decide this next contract, no doubt. I don't see FOP agreeing on shit Rahm is likely to toss our way.
Anonymous said...
This just in...
House votes to repeal ObamaCare in 229-125 vote
Fox News - 1 hour ago
So now what?
5/16/2013 07:02:00 PM
You are fucked, just plain fucked, that's what.
Anonymous said...
his is what faces all current police and fire: current pension contribution: 9% plus 1% for COLA, plus 1% for retiree healthcare, plus 2% for pension fund security.
That comes to 13% for current police and fire pension contribution. At least!
5/16/2013 03:15:00 AM
and be happy with your 1/2% raise !
5/16/2013 12:14:00 PM
Any raise will be a gift. This one is simply about holding on to what we have and guaranteeing our healthcare and pension into retirement. These are huge issues and need to be locked in once and for all. How many of you can face retirement with the uncertainty of knowing what healthcare you will have? What will a 6% raise do for us then?
With no health insurance we can shove any raise. This is the most important issue facing officers in our careers and people ought to be screaming bloody murder.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Okay,...city will phase out the 55% plan by 2017 for all retiree's except those retired before 1989. Did I recall that correctly from what I just read? Any word on those of us who retired after 1989 but before that 55 and out sweetheart deal guaranteeing benefits. This information must have come from somewhere. Where can one view the referenced material/information. It's gotta be somewhere. SCC, please post a source. It sure as Hell ain't on the FOP website.
Good question in 3 1/2 years you will no longer have any city health care, but according to the news release Rahm said you will be able to get Obamacare that guarantees healthcare to everyone. Two problems tho, how much will it cost and what if Illinois opts out of Obamacare
5/15/2013 04:37:00 PM
This article is referring to the 55 Percent (%) of the premium Costs that the city pays on your premium. This is Not the 55 year old (age) and out that is currently available. That comes under obama health care which may not be around after January. Obama and Medicare will prob be combined shortly as one may not sustain legal challenges and the latter unable to thrive economically under the strain of demand. Sooner than later,we'll all have our premiums deducted and sent to the kremlin. Illinois was the first to commit and no doubt in for the long haul.
5/16/2013 07:58:00 AM
Isn't this the same thing as that 55mph speed limit thing on the expressways? Or is that something different? Another martini, please.
It's not a single payer plan because your favorite republican legislators voted against that proposal, which would have reduced the cost to individuals by a hell of a lot if not zero cost to individuals needing it (retirees, etc.). It's all about the money that insurance companies and big business funnel into politicians' pockets to avoid having to cut their own bloated profits, bonuses and salaries. Think not, then you need an education. So how come the DOW is over 15,000 and business is making record profits while you still get the short end of the stick broken off in your ass?
5/16/2013 01:46:00 PM
Sir, you are sadly misinformed because you blindly hate republicans. Keeping the insurance companies in the mix was solely a democratic demand. In fact, prior to the passing of this bill, the insurance companies were the #1 visitor to the White House. But, you are partly correct, if we have single payer health care the costs should go down but there will still be administrative companies to manage health care, i.e. insurance companies. But, you will wait in line for hour and hours in a clinic setting. If you dont believe me go to County Hospital and see what goes on there. A five hour wait to see a doctor is normal.
Anonymous said...
Been retired over 10 years , if I get put in obama care , every city worker , politician and police collecting disability pension better be put in the same 3rd world obama health care policy .
5/16/2013 03:26:00
And if not, you are going to do what exactly? Do you really think that the retired alderman or city elected officials will lose their city health care subsidy? The state of Illinois is going to charge retirees 2% of their pension for health care starting 1 July, but they will not drop the retirees
Been retired over 10 years , if I get put in obama care , every city worker , politician and police collecting disability pension better be put in the same 3rd world obama health care policy
OR WHAT?
This just in...
House votes to repeal ObamaCare in 229-125 vote
Fox News - 1 hour ago
So now what?
means absolutely nothing. Senate with majority of dems will never vote against Obamacare. Until they do, it cant move on. House vote was symbolic, until BOTH House and Senate pass it , it cant be sent to the president who would veto it. And once he vetoes it, its over as both house and senate are veto proof.
I don't suppose elected officials are moved to Obamacare.
What kind of medical card is former Alderman Sharon Dixon and Sheila Jackson carrying?
Former Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr.?
Former Governor Ryan?
Former Mayor Daley?
Former....
Organize a march on city hall with CFD and CPD. We are going to get screwed with our pensions and healthcare. SCC take the lead. I recommend we do it in August. The savages are going to make us proud for the months of June and July. Think about it........The animals will be shooting each other and will make headline news across the country when poor little Jerome is shot and killed. Tiny Dancer and McJersey will have to face the music including why the first responders are marching on city hall. It will be great headlines. We could easily organize 5-7 thousand cops and fireman along with our families. SCC suggest some dates and times. FOP is in bed with the city. Mike Shields is a hack with no integrity. He does not care about our retired police officers or us. Lets get this rolling SCC. If you suggest dates I guarantee that your readers will show up. Bottom line we are not going to allow a raise in the age limit for our pensions. Fuck Daley and Ballerina girl. They are the ones who were fiscally irresponsible. Not us. We did our part. We are the ones dealing with the West and South side animals. Don't change the rules in the middle of the fucking game. ""CPD and CFD march on City Hall". Whose in?
Does FOP do anything for our dues ? Really, all they do is run their store and make big dollars renting out the FOP hall. Anyone ever audit their catering business...cash cow for a few there.
Shields (Thanks hair gels) smiles for pictures and does what for us ?
Good Lord did the FOP turn into a crew of fools.
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