Bill Daley Misses the Point
- Gubernatorial hopeful Bill Daley says Governor Quinn should make some changes before he signs the bill allowing the carrying of concealed weapons in Illinois, reports WBBM [...].
As Governor Quinn nears the deadline for deciding what do to with the concealed-carry bill, Bill Daley is saying that the Governor should do more than just fix his signature.
Evidently, Bill doesn't understand the words "court order." As in Illinois is under a court ordered deadline to pass something that will pass muster. If Illinois fails to do so, the court will probably impose rules regarding concealed carry. And Quinn can only sign or refuse to sign the bill before him - he can't arbitrarily add language or conditions to a piece of legislation.
Then there's this:
Then there's this:
- “I would hope that he would mandatorily veto this so that some of the weaknesses in that bill can be improved upon and we can comply with the court order because we are the only state without a concealed carry bill. But at the same time, I think the Governor ought to put in there that there needs to be background checks and that limit the size of magazines for some of these weapons that are really designed for military use and not for either hunting or sport shooting,” said Daley.
The Second Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting or sport shooting. Never has, never will. Just about everyone who has ever read the Constitution or perused the Founders' writings knows this...only those with agendas attempt to insert hunting and sports shooting into a document that was written to limit the scope of government in personal liberties.
Labels: gun issues, silly people
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
63 Comments:
No guns here...meanwhile Obama is about to arm Syria with fully auto weapons and RPG's. And let us not forget the DOJ and gun running fiasco.
Get the picture yet?
It doesn't matter what dat Bridgeport Born Buffoon has to say about anything. He's going to be suffer from campaign interruptus in a few months and spare the good citizens of the State of Illinois any additional Daley blather. This gun control opinion comes from a guy who had the good fortune of being protected by Chicago's finest for over twenty years while his old man was mayor. Then he enjoyed the company of armed, trained secret service agents during his stint in the White House.
Wise Up Voters...this State and City is stealing money from us every single day, in every single way...count the folks you know who have left this state for a better life-style in the past 10 years...bet you'll be surprised. We continually pay more for everything and end up the worst state in every category. Went to upper Michigan this weekend..for example: the average cost per gallon of gasoline equaled $3.59, cost for the same time period and for the same gas equaled $4.41 in Illinois.....Wake up folks, No Madigans, no Daleys, no more dynasties in Illinois...Keep your money for you and your family and wake up before its really too late..we're close to that point...
Just what we need....more self serving assholes to stay in power.
I don't think ole Billy missed any points. He just showed his true colors. I for one hope his comments are widely reported so people can hear what this "Daley" is really all about before he gets anybodies vote. Notice how he is skirting around all the issues but not saying anything in true "Daley" fashion. He is a Democrap inside and out, if his lips are moving he is lying
Bill or Lisa? Hmmmm
I heard that interview. No tough questions from WBBM's Craig Dellimore and no tough follow up questions.
Daley talked about the evils of electing a Madigan as Governor and as Speaker of the House, talking about how bad it is to have a family run dynasty like that,.
Imagine a Daley complaining about a political family dynasty. I almost broke the radio.
Daley of all people must NOT be elected! I would vote for Quinn again before a member of the Daley Crime Family.
I hope a real good republican is on the ballot. Oh dear god, a daley as governor. That would be it, I would have to move. A trailer park in Arkansas would be OK.
what a way to commit
political "hari kari" try making a terrible firearms worse by making it more restrictive. maybe daley thinks the potatohead is dumb enough to try( scary part,. HE IS) imho potatohead is a lame duck anyways. people want change and they've seen a enough of the democrats.
Heard him on "At Issue" on WBBM radio Sunday morning. Came in at a question asking him about how he felt about voters not wanting to vote for him just because of his last name...or that his brother and father have reputations that don't sit well with some voters.
His response was measured. I truly don't think he knows or cares about the hatred people have for the Daley name.
Just A Citizen says: I am in a quandry over why and how this is the only state that decided the 2nd Amendment does not apply. Does this mean we can expect other amendments to go down the drain? Or will new amendments be written up and apply only to Illinois? What the eff is wrong with this state, these alleged leaders of this state, and most of all the stupid, naval pondering voters?
What a dumb pile of skin you are, Daley. Just like your brother.
"Mandatorily veto"? The word is "amendatory veto" -- as in, you veto the bill and *amend* it with your own language. And yes SCC, unlike federal, here in Illinois the governor does have an amendatory veto by law, but the CCW bill passed with veto proof majorities, and neither Cullerton nor Madigan are going to allow Quinn to peel off any of their votes, so the point is moot. Quinn tried a big old gun ban amendatory veto (on a bill completely unrelated to guns) in December right after Sandy Hook, basically outlawing and confiscating everything except Biden shotguns and .22 revolvers, and it failed.
Them daley goofs just gotta get their opinion in on everything, especially things they know nothing about.
bill daley's opinion on guns is about on par with his knowledge of maintaining a full head of hair
We will be choosing between Quinn, Daley and Madigan.
We are so fucked.
"And he's supposed to be the smart one of the bunch" only means he's the only Daley with a double digit I.Q.
He comes from a corrupt, socialist family. What did you expect? They want to destroy the Constitution and put in place powers for their dictatorial style of leadership. Guns in the hands of free men threaten that.
Here is the ugly reality that nobody in the Police Community wants to discuss: The American Revolution was carried out and the Constitution was written by people who overthrew their government. The Constitution exists to Protect Us from Government Abuse. The ownership of firearms is in the Constitution so that the public may if necessary carry out opposition to the Government. As Police Officers we find ourselves in a difficult position because WE are part of that government and those weapons could be used against US. And that raises the issue of, would we side with the Government or with the People? We all took an oath to defend the Constitutions of the U.S. and Illinois against enemies be they foreign or domestic. Domestic means an oppressive government with a dictator or Fuhrer. At what point do we choose sides? We are living in a very complex time in history and we may soon have to make unpleasant choices.
As in Illinois is under a court ordered deadline to pass something that will pass muster. If Illinois fails to do so, the court will probably impose rules regarding concealed carry.
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The court has already ruled and issued a mandate. The mandate has been stayed to allow the state time to change its laws if it so chooses.
The court has no authority at all to set any rules for concealed or unconcealed carry.
What it did was rule that several specific parts of the UUW act are unconstitutional as written and those few parts cannot be enforced anymore.
The people involved have done a good job of misleading the public and the press that the court ordered some kind of license to carry law be enacted, but no such order was or can be entered. The court just has no authority to do that.
only 720 ILCS 5/24-1(a)(4), 720 ILCS 5/24-1(a)(10), and 720 ILCS 5/24-1.6(a) are at issue because those are the only things the law suits challenged.
my guess would be if there is no change in the law the court finds acceptable the district court will just enter an order enjoining the state from enforcing those provisions.
It's the same Democrat progressive socialist elitist mantra.
Quinn,Madigan,or Daley.
Scary,ain't it?
The crime family rears its ugly head again.
Hey bill, my 3-Ar's, 1-AK, 1-SKS, 1-M1 Garand, and 1-M1 carbine are all used for sport shooting. In 31 years of gun ownership I've never killed or injured anyone with my weapons. It's called responsible gun ownership. Which to your dismay is allowed by the Constitution.
Go pound sand!
Don't worry folks, all is well. The high cost of the CCW permit will prevent the shitheads from carrying guns and the crime rate will decline accordingly.
Well he is a Daley.Don't forget he's Shortshanks brother.
There were a lot of obvious things that Shortshanks didn't understand either.
Another self-serving typical machine dumocrat politician. He acts as if he's different from the rest of his asshole cohorts. This state is going down in flames.
What does the Daley family care about courts?
They have controlled them for years.
Barack Obama set to give Egypt 10 fighter jets, 200 tanks
http://www.examiner.com/article/barack-obama-set-to-give-egypt-10-fighter-jets-200-tanks
But **I** can't have a 13 round Glock??
Brotherhood of Hate: Muslim Brotherhood's Hatred for Jews and Israel Flourishes in "New" Egypt
http://www.adl.org/anti-semitism/muslim-arab-world/c/brotherhood-of-hate-muslim.html
6/24/2013 12:37:00 AM
People who vote for a living have now surpassed those who work for theirs.
Enjoy the decline.
God help us
And you are surprised? Why?
For those of us South of I80, he told Capitol Fax that he has no intention of visiting any where by Crook County on his run for Gov. No desire to see what goes on in Champaign, Tuscola, Carbondale. What ever is good for Chicago is good for the rest of us.
Let them eat cake. Well at least they were able to guillotine the statists of their time.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."
"… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
Article on the Bill of Rights
"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"
Please know that Billy Daley has no intention or hope of being governor. He is a ringer for Lisa Madigan. Daddy Madigan wants to saturate the field so his inept daughter can be governor.
SCC wrote "And Quinn can only sign or refuse to sign the bill before him - he can't arbitrarily add language or conditions to a piece of legislation."
You're incorrect on that, SCC. Illinois has amendatory veto, which allows Quinn to do exactly that. If he does, it goes back to the legislature for a vote. If half agree with his changes, they're law. If 3/5 disagree, the original is law. If neither of those occur, the bill dies.
It doesn't even make sense to complain about it any longer. This state is lost to socialist scum and they support those who outbreed decent people. The best one can do now is retire and move out, leaving this broken mess behind.
To be clear, SCC...
"And Quinn can only sign or refuse to sign the bill before him - he can't arbitrarily add language or conditions to a piece of legislation."
There is a process called amendatory veto, which he can do just that. Remove parts, add parts, or rewrite the whole thing, which he has done before. Hopefully the legislature will overrule him if he does though.
. . . and he's the smart one
As all Chicago Journalists know,"Never let the truth ruin a story" Professor Heywood Jablowme
Concealed carry isn't about hunting or sport shooting.
(Unless you're attacked by a guy named "Sport", I guess.)
Anyone who can leave IL should. Get out of this corrupt crime ridden broke and broken state. You have been warned...
Comrade Jan "The Red" Schakowsky and her flacks on the City Council of the Peoples' Republic of Evanston are preparing to enact an ordinance banning assault weapons to undermine gun owners rights in advance of the perceived passage of some form of concealed carry. Many weapons, including those purchased legally (can you say EX POST FACTO LAWS are unconstitutional? I knew you could) are going to be outlawed as criminal contraband if the ordinance passes tonight -- meeting scheduled to coincide with the NHL Stanley Cup finals.
It does not matter that the lawsuit, Wilson v. Cook County, is still alive and kicking, Evanston wants and needs to be politically correct even if it costs the taxpayers for attorneys' fees and costs.
The Evanston Socialists refuse to acknowledge that much of the violence and gun crimes committed in the city are confined to two outstanding Democratic Wards centered around the high school and that none of the shooters have FOID cards.
Anonymous said...
As all Chicago Journalists know,"Never let the truth ruin a story" Professor Heywood Jablowme
6/24/2013 02:08:00 PM
How you doing Heywood? Mr. Jack Meoff
Anonymous said...
Please know that Billy Daley has no intention or hope of being governor. He is a ringer for Lisa Madigan. Daddy Madigan wants to saturate the field so his inept daughter can be governor.
6/24/2013 10:22:00 AM
I believe that ringer position is called a "Roland Burris"
Is Illinois STILL solvent ?? Anyone care ?
Bill Daley has been running for years but always folds in the end. Now if he wants an elected office, how about the 5th Floor. I'd love to see a public duel between him and Tiny dancer for the mayors office.
Anonymous said...
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I hope a real good republican is on the ballot. Oh dear god, a daley as governor. That would be it, I would have to move. A trailer park in Arkansas would be OK.
6/24/2013 05:32:00 AM
In Oklahoma we have "shall issue" handgun licenses with either concealed carry or open carry at the licensee's discretion. And there is a nice three bedroom, two bath, two car garage, all brick house available in my neighborhood for less than $150,000.00. We are not in the city limits either so we can shoot off fireworks in the front or back yard.
ECS
Anonymous said...
It's the same Democrat progressive socialist elitist mantra.
Quinn,Madigan,or Daley.
Scary,ain't it?
6/24/2013 07:33:00 AM
Pull a Republican ballot and vote for Dan Rutherford. Rauner cannot win a general election in this state.....he'll go down the tubes like Brady did. Let's make sure that we have an alternative to the democrats that's acceptable to swing voters this time.
"(720 ILCS 5/Art. 24 heading)
ARTICLE 24. DEADLY WEAPONS
(720 ILCS 5/24-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 24-1)
Sec. 24-1. Unlawful Use of Weapons.
(a) A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly:
(4) Carries or possesses in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm,...
(10) Carries or possesses on or about his person, upon any public street, alley, or other public lands within the corporate limits of a city, village or incorporated town, except when an invitee thereon or therein, for the purpose of the display of such weapon or the lawful commerce in weapons, or except when on his land or in his own abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm,...
Sec. 24-1.6. Aggravated unlawful use of a weapon.
(a) A person commits the offense of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon when he or she knowingly:
(1) Carries on or about his or her person or in any vehicle or concealed on or about his or her person except when on his or her land or in his or her abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm; or
(2) Carries or possesses on or about his or her person, upon any public street, alley, or other public lands within the corporate limits of a city, village or incorporated town, except when an invitee thereon or therein, for the purpose of the display of such weapon or the lawful commerce in weapons, or except when on his or her own land or in his or her own abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm; and
(3) One of the following factors is present:
(A) the firearm possessed was uncased, loaded and immediately accessible at the time of the offense; or
(B) the firearm possessed was uncased, unloaded and the ammunition for the weapon was immediately accessible at the time of the offense; or
(C) the person possessing the firearm has not been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or
(D) the person possessing the weapon was previously adjudicated a delinquent minor under the Juvenile Court Act of 1987 for an act that if committed by an adult would be a felony; or
(E) the person possessing the weapon was engaged in a misdemeanor violation of the Cannabis Control Act, in a misdemeanor violation of the Illinois Controlled Substances Act, or in a misdemeanor violation of the Methamphetamine Control and Community Protection Act; or
(F) (blank); or
(G) the person possessing the weapon had a order of protection issued against him or her within the previous 2 years; or
(H) the person possessing the weapon was engaged in the commission or attempted commission of a misdemeanor involving the use or threat of violence against the person or property of another; or
(I) the person possessing the weapon was under 21 years of age and in possession of a handgun as defined in Section 24-3, unless the person under 21 is engaged in lawful activities under the Wildlife Code or described in subsection 24-2(b)(1), (b)(3), or 24-2(f)."
Just from reading these three sections that seem to be under court order, concealed or open carry of handguns on your person on in your vehicle would be legal after the time limit runs out. Period.
If I'm wrong, please explain how.
ECS
is billy daley the same guy whose nephew stole 65+ million from our pension fund and lost it all? the same daley whose nephew vanecko the same guy who stole all our money killed an innocent kid they was protected by the daley machine? That bill daley? that guy?
evanston crazies aside, 6 out of 7 of the council members in Highland Park just voted for an assult weapons ban... mutherfuckers should rot in hell...
let the lawsuits begin...
just think of the things Bill could
sell if he wins.
The Illinois tollway
The Illinois River
Springfield {already sold}
But just think how much certain
people would pay for lake Michigan!
Anonymous said...
It's the same Democrat progressive socialist elitist mantra.
Quinn,Madigan,or Daley.
Scary,ain't it?
6/24/2013 07:33:00 AM
Pull a Republican ballot and vote for Dan Rutherford. Rauner cannot win a general election in this state.....he'll go down the tubes like Brady did. Let's make sure that we have an alternative to the democrats that's acceptable to swing voters this time.
6/24/2013 08:04:00 PM
Amen. Rutherford for Governor!
Just from reading these three sections that seem to be under court order, concealed or open carry of handguns on your person on in your vehicle would be legal after the time limit runs out. Period.
If I'm wrong, please explain how.
ECS
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Take a look at 720 ILCS 5/21-6.
Think things like TIF districts.
Would not be a felony anymore.
Pull a Republican ballot and vote for Dan Rutherford. Rauner cannot win a general election in this state.....he'll go down the tubes like Brady did. Let's make sure that we have an alternative to the democrats that's acceptable to swing voters this time.
6/24/2013 08:04:00 PM
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WHOA.....
How come Rauner can't win a general election? Have you looked into his background? Do you know anything about him?
He has some good TV commercials going right now. Where is Rutherford's?
You need BIG money to run in Illinois and I for one don't want to see any career political hack - from EITHER party getting in again.
Time to vote a different strategy. This isn't your grandfather's state of Illinois anymore. Land of real opportunity and hard work leading to promotions? Meritocracy has been melted down to slimy cloutocracy.
Vote for someone who hasn't been tainted by 20+ years of political horse-trading and mutual back-slapping.
Watch Rauner's video - http://brucerauner.com/?utm_term=Governor&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Search&utm_campaign=Bruce%252Rauner
Give him five minutes. You've given all the incumbent boneheads 25+ years.
Does he have all the answers? Probably not - but at least he has concisely defined the problems - which is a HELL of a lot more than all the career hacks.(in BOTH parties)
Its a Fundamental Right,not a privilege.
In light of the recent SCOTUS ruling(7-2) stating that States cannot require photo Id for voting(a right),does that now mean that we have more legal grounds to to get rid of FOID?????
Vote for the republican guy for a change. Can he do any worse than the last 2 fuckups that were the gov before?
Tuscola. I just left there. What a nice little town.
Anonymous said...
is billy daley the same guy whose nephew stole 65+ million from our pension fund and lost it all? the same daley whose nephew vanecko the same guy who stole all our money killed an innocent kid they was protected by the daley machine? That bill daley? that guy?
6/24/2013 10:36:00 PM
Yes he is the same Bill Daley that gave us NAFTA. Keep voting democrat union stooges.
Anonymous said...
Vote for the republican guy for a change. Can he do any worse than the last 2 fuckups that were the gov before?
6/25/2013 04:23:00 PM
Isn't that what we said about Daley and Jody Weiss?
The Evanston Socialists refuse to acknowledge that much of the violence and gun crimes committed in the city are confined to two outstanding Democratic Wards centered around the high school and that none of the shooters have FOID cards.
6/24/2013 03:32:00 PM
Jan didn't bother to mention that Evanston Township High School has shootings almost as frequently as Englewood. And Skokie is running a close second, with a shooting just a block away from Niles North High School. We have no reason to believe that those shootings were caused by lawfully owned and possessed firearms. And guess what else? That Socialist agenda bullshit against "assault weapons" just passed in Highland Park.
Trailer Parks in Arkansas kick ASS!
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