There Goes Another Few $100,000
They seem to have no actual grasp of the law, nor how it applies to them and their actions:
- The City Council moved Wednesday to both comply with — and undermine Illinois’ new concealed carry law.
The end-run around concealed carry came when aldermen imposed a requirement that Chicago restaurants that serve liquor ban firearms or lose their city licenses.
The ordinance championed by Finance Chairman Edward M. Burke (14th) and downtown Ald. Brendan Reilly (42nd) would exempt stores that sell packaged liquor.
But all other establishments that serve alcohol — not just bars that generate more than half their revenue from liquor — would be required to prohibit firearms on the premises.
This reeks of political blackmail, unduly interferes in the running of one's business and is in direct conflict with the State law that took away the "home rule" powers of municipalities to place additional restriction on laws pertaining to guns.
The NRA will most likely sue over this provision, relying heavily on past precedent, and will walk away with another one of those giant novelty checks numbering in the 6-digits or more. Thanks again you sanctimonious assholes.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
58 Comments:
once again, our fucking money is getting pissed away by clueless, grandstanding politicians.
and the gun grabbers will condone this, even though they know it is a lost cause.
Houston (same size as Chicago) has both open and concealed carry, one can buy a firearm and/or ammo in one of hundreds of stores inside the city limits.
Yet, the homicide rate is about 1/ that of Chicago--any gun grabber care to explain how that can be?
Didn't think so.
Sure, generate more business for the connected law firms while playing the victim.
Are they really that incompetent or just dumb like a fox as my dad used to say?
The day is coming and not only for you, you will take down a lot of people with you people we knew for a long time but that's not your fault they didn't have their arms twisted by you tutu but it will be sad day when they try to come back to their old friends and be a part of the neighborhood they screwed.
The city doesn't care, it's not coming out of their pockets. It's taxpayer money after all, not theirs. They'll just raise taxes to pay for their pet projects while wasting tax money fighting losing battles.
Does that mean I will have to brown bag it to work?
Your hard earned tax dollars work very hard against you.
>>>>> “Even during the Wild West, when everyone and their brother was carrying a loaded firearm on their hip, many saloon keepers knew well enough to keep these guns and bullets out of their establishments because nothing good could happen,” Reilly said. <<<<<
(gotta say it) Riley's watched too 'Cowboy Movies' -- and apparently thinks they were documentaries.
-- 1) 'During the Wild West'. I have no idea of what he's getting at with that. But basically the 'Wild West' was from post Civil War 1865 to 1900. And depending when or where the 'Wild West' could just be the other side of the Mississippi River.
-- 2) 'Everyone and their brother' did NOT carry a loaded firearm on their hip. That's why the 1873 Winchester got the moniker 'The Gun That Won The West'. Though I like the 1866 Yellow Boy...it's 'purty' (the 44 Henry chambering was a drawback after 1873).
-- 3) 'Saloon Keepers & No Guns'. Okey-dokey, two word answer: Bull Shit. It's Hollywood fantasy, embellishment, half truths, and outright lies. Mostly taken from real early 'Cattle Town' days of Dodge City and embellished from there by Hollywood to make nice shoot-em pics. And mr Alder-creature, if all Saloons in the 'Wild West' banned handguns, James Butler Hickok would have lived a lot longer(/s).
----- 3a) Tombstone, AZ did have a local ordinance that 'banned Handguns' -- Just Like Chicago ;-) -- that 'partially' led to the Earp - Clanton gunfight next to the OK Coral (Clantons were open carrying on purpose to start some sh-t)
The fact is 'Gun Control' in 'The Wild West' was basically non-existent. The gun was a necessary tool of survival, be it handgun or rifle, and nobody would dare take that tool away. The 'Wild West' was also statistically safer (Hostile Indians Excluded) than any major city of the time, or of today. (I was born exactly 100 years too late)
Is Arch criminal Ed Burke going to leave the gun HE carries or his armed body guards at the door? Oh thats right I forgot, gun laws are only for the peasants...
'Mayor Rahm Emanuel said it “doesn’t take a masters or PhD” to know that guns and booze don’t mix.'
Did Tiny Dancer run that by McDrunk? (rotflmao)
One word: PREEMPTION. The shitheads in the Chicago City Council cannot fathom or handle the reality that they can never again pass any ordinance relating to handguns. This will be an easy win for the NRA.
Thieves rarely want their victims armed
Fuck these fools...
Let Dude Inc. do some take over robberies and other special enjoyments at these MANDATED clearly posted "gun free" zones and victim rich environments...
*Please Rob Us!*
Maybe a member of Rahm's Gold Coast/North Shore cocktail party and fundraiser circuit will get it stuck in their ass by Dude at gunpoint...
The case reports (and they WILL be plentiful behind this stupid shit, just like the new "Super 019th" is being wallpapered according to the comments) will read like excerpts from a ghetto romance novel...
*Victim states, "My ass is sore, my head hurts, my money is gone and he slapped me in my eye."*
Smart people WILL refuse to be easy victims and stay the fuck away from these places with the *Please Rob Us!* signage PROMINENTLY posted.
Egad...
Dude is going to have a fucking ball running this intentionally depleted Police Department in circles...
Burke and Reilly are pushing this dead dog of an ordinance out of spite and ego.
Face it you busters!
Chicago lost!
Chicago's anti-gun ordinances had EVERYTHING to do with keeping the citizens unarmed and defenseless in the face of political fuckery and organized crime.
Pay no attention to these death cults operating with impunity on the West and South Sides...
Heh... Coming soon to a nicer neighborhood near YOU due to an intentionally destroyed Police Department.
Don't blame the few coppers left in the room... They don't drive or dictate the piss poor legislation and policy making decisions emanating from 111 North or 3510 South.
would be required to prohibit firearms on the premises..
How will they know? Will they be required to have metal detectors? Frisk their patrons? Who will have the contract to make the signs that state "per Ordinance #".
Post another sign next to it that says "Wink, wink"
The democrats live in a delusional world. If they will it, they think that it is. They don't understand or comprehend the destruction that they create. After all, they are smarter than the rest of us and they know better. When they see it in their visions it must be right, because they are touched.
Just another reason to leave Chi for good.
MS
Anyone preaching self control not gun control?
Are they requiring these establishments to post the "State of Illinois" approved signs that will provide the ILCS statute? Or will they be posting a different sign. I don't see how the city could mandate that they post a state sign. A different sign wouldn't have the force of law if one were to carry within such a premises no?
With the City firearm registry and permitting essentially out the window, does this also mean that Chicago residents can now legally possess a handgun with a capacity over 10 rounds?
Like I really need another reason to avoid a trip to Chicago. Kepp up the good work assclowns.
That means off duty too!
We will not get rid of this jagoff demorat "machine" until the FBI takes apart the chicago board of elections. They have prevented any serious opposition for decades, and the chickenshit press here assists in their conspiracy.
Remember the story of the officer being refused service in some restaurant because of his gun a while back? It will happen here soon.
Rahm will have to just cut another check from taxpayers.
City of Chicago paid $1.4 million of NRA's legal fees
http://www.examiner.com/article/city-of-chicago-paid-nra-legal-fees-1-4-million
Hmm, so lets see. I can't get robbed going inside, while inside or exiting a bar or a liquor store? Hmm, I can't get shot or killed going inside, while inside or exiting a bar or a liquor store? Hmm, armed masked men cant enter and take over a bar or liquor store. Hmm, my wife and her girlfriends cant get robbed, raped or abducted leaving her car or returning to her car from the bar or liquor store? Hmm, telling the whole world that it's gun free business is only hurting the good people because bad people, armed with guns with bad intentions don't listen to or care about the law. These politicians still don't get it!!!!!!!!!!
so if this law stands everyone who wears a weapon for protection will have to leave it in their car if they go into a restaurant or a bar...easy pickings for the opportunistic thief, also, are people going to be searched before entering, or will the business be forced to buy a metal detector?? does anyone out there remember when ald. burke was a copper?? I bet he was a real piece of work. did he ever work the streets? or did his daddy take care of him....someone please comment on his police days, im sure we would all love to hear what a great street copper he was....
BREAKING: Illinois Supreme Court Rules Right to Keep and Bear Arms Extends Outside the Home
By Robert Farago on September 12, 2013
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com
O.T. But in the hundreds of thousands, whats the over-under on how much "shrinkage" there was over at the new Wal-Mart over in Roseland/Pullman on the first day of operations, or the first week or the first month
Why not? If it saves just one child's life. Do we want to be like Houston? Houston is the wild wild west, not civilized Chicago. Less guns, less gun violence.
I don't mind it at all,after all, the money will be put to good use!
Houston's homicide rate is 1/2 of Chicago's because Houston isn't a city in the way Chicago is; Houston owes all of it's population to the fact that it just gobbles up and annexes suburbs as they are developed. The city of Houston is about 3x larger physically than Chicago (Chicago covers about 230 sq. miles, Houston covers about 650). Imagine what Chicago's homicide rate would look like if we could annex all of NW suburban Cook Co. or DuPage County?
I think it is high time that Aldercreature Burke gives up his City paid security force and takes his chances like regular citizens. As reported that he currently conceal carries, stop with your BS pontificating on how this new law will enhance the protection of the citizens. He, Rahm, McCarthy,reverends, community activists, etc. can't stand the idea that Illinois citizens soon will be able to conceal carry and have the ability to shoot back at the criminal mutts that they portend to represent. Burke makes millions as a property tax attorney taking a percentage of the tax savings. Let him pay for his own GD security.
Respectfully, Paul Kersey.
I thought is was illegal to serve people to the point of intoxication or to serve those already intoxicated. Obeying that law should eliminate the "mixing booze and bullets" issue.
Illinois Supreme Court Rules Right to Keep and Bear Arms Extends Outside the Home
As the Seventh Circuit correctly noted, neither Heller nor McDonald expressly limits the second
amendment’s protections to the home. On the contrary both decisions contain language strongly
suggesting if not outright confirming that the second amendment right to keep and bear arms
extends beyond the home. Moreover, if Heller means what it says, and “individual self-defense” is
indeed “the central component” of the second amendment right to keep and bear arms (Heller, 554 U.S. at 599), then it would make little sense to restrict that right to the home, as “[c]onfrontations are not limited to the home.” Moore, 702 F.3d at 935-36. Indeed, Heller itself recognizes as much when it states that “the right to have arms *** was by the time of the founding understood to be an individual right protecting against both public and private violence.” Heller, 554 U.S. at 593-94
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/09/robert-farago/illinois-supreme-court-right-keep-bear-
arms-extends-outside-home/
Have you taken a good look at the makeup of the Chicago City Council? Would you care to guess their collective IQ? Clue: They have almost no understanding of their actions versus the consequences.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Are they really that incompetent or just dumb like a fox as my dad used to say? 9/12/2013 12:38:00 AM
Dear Friend:
YES, they ARE that incompetent. Part of "The Chicago Way" means these dumb-ass aldercreatures are so full of themselves, that they can disregard Federal Law (the 28-year un-Constitutional Chicago gun-ban). So, since they got away with violating Federal Law for 28 years, why not try violating State Law? The State Law is VERY CLEAR that it is not subject to Chicago's bullshit "home-rule" ideas. So, the dumb-ass aldercreatures will pass an ordinance that violates State Law anyway. Why? Pure Hubris. In the end, the NRA will justifiably win whatever legal action they take, and the City will have to pay the NRA's legal costs, for a SECOND time.
Why can't these aldercreatures just move to Communist China where they can experience their dream-come-true: an environment where the government has total control over everything, and the people have no say whatsoever!
Juast what is the problem with guns and politicians...... they are here to stay legal or not get it through your thick moronic skulls and stop using our money to flit your whims ....asshole's.
He will use our pension money to pay.
http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/SupremeCourt/2013/113867.pdf
Can someone explain is this the end of the FOID card?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel
P.O. Randy Stevens, 018th District said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Are they really that incompetent or just dumb like a fox as my dad used to say? 9/12/2013 12:38:00 AM
Dear Friend:
YES, they ARE that incompetent. Part of "The Chicago Way" means these dumb-ass aldercreatures are so full of themselves, that they can disregard Federal Law (the 28-year un-Constitutional Chicago gun-ban). So, since they got away with violating Federal Law for 28 years, why not try violating State Law? The State Law is VERY CLEAR that it is not subject to Chicago's bullshit "home-rule" ideas. So, the dumb-ass aldercreatures will pass an ordinance that violates State Law anyway. Why? Pure Hubris. In the end, the NRA will justifiably win whatever legal action they take, and the City will have to pay the NRA's legal costs, for a SECOND time.
Why can't these aldercreatures just move to Communist China where they can experience their dream-come-true: an environment where the government has total control over everything, and the people have no say whatsoever!
9/12/2013 01:58:00 PM
They might have more freedom in Communist China nowadays!
Russia is far more free than the USA is today!
We are turning into a repressive Marxist dictatorship.
Was at former Chief of Det's Tom Byrnes retirement event (Stadium Club U.S.Cellular Field) which was very well attended and the beer-wine-drinks flowed copiously during a great party. Among many well wishers was Alderman Edward Burke himself. I don't know if he had a drink but of the 100's of other attendees (many of whom were armed) there was not one bit of trouble. So in the future, affairs like this or just taking your wife, family, etc. out to dinner even without having a glass of wine or a beer will be out of the question while exercising your 2nd Ammendment rights and the concealed carry laws of Illinois. Law abiding adults are again subjected to the willful caprice of politicians who are addicted to the arrogant excercise of their personal whims. There are plenty of places to eat in the suburbs, use your economic clout to vote for what is right, legal, and plain common sense.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
With the City firearm registry and permitting essentially out the window, does this also mean that Chicago residents can now legally possess a handgun with a capacity over 10 rounds?
9/12/2013 08:07:00 AM
Yes.
But more importantly...because the Fed and State have mandated...does this mean that everyone that paid the city is entitled to a refund?
http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/SupremeCourt/2013/112116.pdf
Anonymous said...
Houston's homicide rate is 1/2 of Chicago's because Houston isn't a city in the way Chicago is; Houston owes all of it's population to the fact that it just gobbles up and annexes suburbs as they are developed. The city of Houston is about 3x larger physically than Chicago (Chicago covers about 230 sq. miles, Houston covers about 650). Imagine what Chicago's homicide rate would look like if we could annex all of NW suburban Cook Co. or DuPage County?
9/12/2013 12:28:00 PM
OK, think about your answer. If the numbers of people are the same, what are you saying? Why would 50k people in DuPage be less likely to murder than 50K on the south side...LOL? Watch out, Phather Phullashit gonna get ya...is you a raciss?
What do the mayor & city council care?
It's not their money!
City of Chicago paid $1.4 million of NRA's legal fees
http://www.examiner.com/article/city-of-chicago-paid-nra-legal-fees-1-4-million
I want my money back from this rat hole city for paying out my weapons registrations........now!
Ed Burke was assigned to the States Attorney's office as a police officer. That gave him access to their law library, which was a crucial in getting through law school.
I want my money back from this rat hole city for paying out my weapons registrations........now!
The checks in the mail
Brendan and Ed .........dumb and dumber God help this great city.
They Mayor said he has lined up the Law Firm of ??? to represent the City against the upcoming lawsuit against the NRA.
Funny things is rahm said the name of the firm. I just didn't catch it, and they are going to handle it PRO BONO! How much are they gonna write of for that little favor to rahm?
Someone help me out here.....attorneys?....restaurant bans firearms and person is recognized as carrying on premises. Restaurant is required to ask patron to leave. So far, no laws broken as patron complies. If patron does not comply, the most that he or she could be charged with is trespass. I think I read this in one of the posts on Illinois Carry as Fed law will always trump the local bs.
They might have more freedom in Communist China nowadays!
Russia is far more free than the USA is today!
We are turning into a repressive Marxist dictatorship.
It's interesting (and distressing) to watch; as the rest of the world becomes more free, America becomes less free...
rb
What will happen to the CAGE unit?
Lol, most worthless unit in the Dept
A lot of these aldercreatures must be prepared to find other means of income.......Gun shops, shooting ranges etc. get going asshole's before it's to late.
I have to laugh when I hear the word "DUDE" it means a saddle boil on a mans ass in the old west.There is no need in anyway we must have 50 alderman even New York has what 12 wtf do we need them for? I have known an alderman most of his life I always liked him[he's a few years younger but now I hear he's Rham's r/hand man when rham's life in this city comes to an end what will this guy do ?he had lots of police friends but voted with his honor to fuck us everytime something came up about the police. I guess honor to him means money and fuck his buddies I hope he doesn't come to a bbq or party with any of us present it won't be pretty.
Was Richie J. a gun grabber in 1968? What about Jane Byrne's registration ordinance? All of a sudden old timers are staunch 2nd amendment supporters. Where were you guys then?
Anonymous said...
Was Richie J. a gun grabber in 1968? What about Jane Byrne's registration ordinance? All of a sudden old timers are staunch 2nd amendment supporters. Where were you guys then?
9/15/2013 10:58:00 AM
No one had a clue that these cases would ever make it to the supreme court. It seemed like the right thing to do back then.People were not as anti- government at the time.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Was Richie J. a gun grabber in 1968? What about Jane Byrne's registration ordinance? All of a sudden old timers are staunch 2nd amendment supporters. Where were you guys then?
9/15/2013 10:58:00 AM
No one had a clue that these cases would ever make it to the supreme court. It seemed like the right thing to do back then.People were not as anti- government at the time.
9/16/2013 06:26:00 PM
Richie J. probably got the idea from Governor Reagan. Gun grabber!
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