Expanded Foot Patrols
- The Chicago Police Department has expanded the use of foot patrols to 20 of the city's most dangerous areas, part of a strategy initiated earlier this year that officials say has cut crime.
The department in March deployed rookie officers on foot in the first of 20 "impact zones" on the South and West sides, where the city says 20 percent of all violent crime occurred during a recent three-year period. The rookies are now walking all 20 of the zones.
On top of that, overtime has been offered to veteran officers to patrol those zones in cars.
The department says the increased presence of officers is partly responsible for a drop in homicides and shootings from last year, when Chicago recorded more than 500 slayings for the first time in four years, drawing unflattering media coverage across the country.
Yeah, about that "drop" in homicides?
- Still, there have been five more homicides through Sept. 9 of this year than at the same time in 2011, according to preliminary 2013 figures.
Nice to see someone in the media is finally realizing that McCompStat and Rahm are cheery-picking the numbers from a year that makes them look better. Welcome to the party.
This also amused us:
This also amused us:
- The rookies assigned to the foot patrols have completed 12 weeks of field training after graduation from the Police Academy.
This is a big change from the Safe Passage routes, where rookies are being put on foot patrol without having spent a single day with an FTO. You read that correctly. Has no one at City Hall heard of the concept of "liability?" The kids don't even have a more experienced officer guiding them around - they're just out there in their groups with radios and guns doing 12-hour shifts at straight time for a 60-hour week. Talk about taking advantage.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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Garry using them carefully chosen words and phrases with manipulated statistical games designed to conjure up images of an improving situation.
Garry knows all about choosing those words and phrases.
"New rookie cops added" designed to conjure up images of a larger police force that implies increase safety.
No mention of overall manpower or how many cops retired and whether or not the force is even keeping up with attrition.
Ask the citizens in the 019 how the crime rate is. Not down 29% that's for sure.
How's the dispatch RAP rate going Garry? How many districts, how many times a night and how long are calls going to RAP status?
Surely that has to be a key to your "Broken Windows" crime fighting strategy to stop the people from urinating in public before it turns into a larger crime of having brain matter sprayed across a safe passageway. yeah?
We would wager that if you have to wait over 30 minutes for police service when you get jacked up on an CTA platform and the called gets coded with a 19-paul that it not only reduces your violent crime stats nicely buy also sets the tone for ever calling the police again considering the lost time and loss wages you took from the last time playing around with these games.
Nothing says crime is down like seven off duties getting jumped last week at various locations. Pushing that crime right out of the high crime areas to the lower crime areas where the coppers live.
I would far more worried about the rookies being placed in a situation where one could get killed.
As stated no experienced officer to show them what to look out for
The "I"team should be investigating why probationary officer's with no training are roaming the mean streets of chitown by themselves...I'm sorry to criticize, but these kids are clueless and someone will be hurt bad because of their lack of training...its not the academy, its the real deal and they have never rode with an experienced officer....I have watched their traffic stops in hot spots and impact zones...sorry they have no idea about what's out there and what the animal can do..i do and that's why my gun is drawn and everyone cuffed,,,this is not a social encounter people...safety first fact finding second!! go home safe
It sounds like leadership has crime under control, with innovative thinking. The Rookies have graduated from the academy. Anything they don't already know can be learned OJT. Foot patrol allows them to better interface with their area of operations.
"...The kids don't even have a more experienced officer guiding them around - they're just out there in their groups with radios and guns doing 12-hour shifts at straight time for a 60-hour week. Talk about taking advantage."
WTF! Even if FOP flops because these kids are not "members" yet this should be handled. A U.S. Department of Labor attorney should look into this and save the fee a private lawyer would get.
Anyone who an document this should go directly and comlain to the Department of Labor.
Screw Rahm and McFuckup, 60 hours for straught time. These kids could get a nice paycheck.
Before you know it we will ALL be doing 12 hour shifts for straight time.
They are out on foot because the City has no cars to put them in. Talk about never letting a crisis got to waste!
Get use to being treated like shit rookie coppers. Oh, and don't forget to continue voting Dummycrat. Hah!
In 011 they give one radio to 4 PPOs, then drop them off in the hood.
Failure to train. The biggest lawsuit out there.
Oh my GOD. What about the shitty "impact zones" in Wrigleyville & Uptown?!
Tunney? Cappleman? Are you listening?
Concealed carry cannot come soon enough.
These young policemen have graduated from one of the finest police academies in the world. They have the knowledge and training. All they need now is the polishing that solo foot patrol will provide. Chicago can be thankful for the foresight and intelligent leadership of its law enforcement leaders. Keeping the citizens of Chicago safe.
Does anyone know why recruits do not get time and a half for overtime? I was trying to find information and I can't find how it is even possible.
For the non-police here, rookie CPD officers don't get overtime pay until they are out of the academy for a full year.
I don't want to hear any of that "they are an at-will employee" stuff either. That is not the reason.
Foot patrols, more and more Foot Patrols. Better order those Snowshoes Now !
I don't know, in the 50s none of the catholic or public schools had air conditioning and we still went to school in 90 degree weather. In the 70s you came on the police dept and there were no FTOs you got to work with every moron who didn't have a partner and you got your watch changed and d.o.g.changed every time a weekend or days came around. You know we had a great time and the police produced some great cops. Those were the days. Everyone loved the city.
And they cant even check the PAY box until there 12 months in to their 18 month probationary period.
It is just a matter of time before one of the slaves (PPOs) gets hurt badly or killed or does something that can't be reversed and gets hung out to dry.
Supt McCarthy--(I know you read this blog) How do you sleep at night? You work for a man who has a sole aim of destroying this Police Department
"...Anyone who an document this should go directly and comlain to the Department of Labor.
Screw Rahm and McFuckup, 60 hours for straught time. These kids could get a nice paycheck.
9/11/2013 03:26:00 AM..."
Some of these kids must come from Police families who should get this ball rolling.
Wouldn't Rahm and McStupid freak out if some Department of Labor investigators walked into 007, 010, 011 and into the Timekeepers offices and said, "We need to see the time cards on all your sworn employees with less than 18 months wervice."
"Need a writ, no problem."
Stay Safe. Do it before theis destroys the lives and families of these good kids*. (Excuse me, *"fine young officers", I am retired CPD and at my age I can call anyone with less than X number of years on kid.)
And these recruits are standing on foot posts for at least 12 hours. I know we were all there at one time but On 10 Sep 13 in 007 on of these recruits passed out standing in the 97 degree heat all day and was taken to hospital by ambulance. Then and only then were sgts told over the air to check on their recruits and make sure the can get water and have short breaks. Typical cpd. Not giving a fuck about the health and safety of these recruits butreactive only when something happens!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They are out on foot because the City has no cars to put them in. Talk about never letting a crisis got to waste!
9/11/2013 05:26:00 AM
They are on foot for the perception of more police on the street safely taking other kids children to school. In another week or so the charade will be over. most of the extra safety illusions(firemen, streets and san, safe passage workers etc) have already dwindled or completely disappeared.
They must be out of squad cars . . .
Where is FOP? These kids pay dues.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It sounds like leadership has crime under control, with innovative thinking. The Rookies have graduated from the academy. Anything they don't already know can be learned OJT. Foot patrol allows them to better interface with their area of operations.
9/11/2013 02:11:00 AM
No, what it sounds like is Garry McWhatsHisName has found the blog. "Better interface?" Really?
To 0211hr.... Your comment is absurd. You are either a supervisor with extreme ass sucking ability, or you must be clowning. If you were kidding, I apologize, if not, your a company man all the way....and you are wrong.......31 years on the west side, I think I know what I'm talking about
god bless all those who died on 9/11 including nypd n fdny and also the us military who died and who served also a big -f-ckyou to bo n eric holder
No money for cars = foot patrols?
Right from the academy amd put on foot patrol what bullshit now afgter all the training etc. they discourage recruits by sticking them alone on a foot patrol in places where vets wouldn't go. Garry you are an asshole of the highest order.
Not a CPD officer, but when I graduated from the police academy I had no clue what to do once I hit the streets. The FTO program is absolutely critical to learn the ins and outs of the job. Without that, these rookies are walking around clueless and vulnerable. What a stupid idea.
What's wrong with 12 hour shifts? We worked 12 hour shifts 6 days a week, for months on end, in the Army, no over time and paid less than most cops. We were able to handle it.
Anonymous said...
It sounds like leadership has crime under control, with innovative thinking. The Rookies have graduated from the academy. Anything they don't already know can be learned OJT. Foot patrol allows them to better interface with their area of operations.
9/11/2013 02:11:00 AM
Hey Garry, Beat it. I can smell your bullshit through this computer.
It sounds like leadership has crime under control, with innovative thinking. The Rookies have graduated from the academy. Anything they don't already know can be learned OJT. Foot patrol allows them to better interface with their area of operations.
They will learn more on foot patrol in 007 and 011 than from a FTO in 016 or 008
WTF! Even if FOP flops because these kids are not "members" yet this should be handled. A U.S. Department of Labor attorney should look into this and save the fee a private lawyer would get.
Anyone who an document this should go directly and comlain to the Department of Labor.
Screw Rahm and McFuckup, 60 hours for straught time. These kids could get a nice paycheck.
I'm sure if this was in violation of any US labor law, it would have been addressed already.
The kids don't even have a more experienced officer guiding them around - they're just out there in their groups with radios and guns doing 12-hour shifts at straight time for a 60-hour week. Talk about taking advantage."
WTF! Even if FOP flops because these kids are not "members" yet this should be handled. A U.S. Department of Labor attorney should look into this and save the fee a private lawyer would get.
Anyone who an document this should go directly and comlain to the Department of Labor.
Screw Rahm and McFuckup, 60 hours for straught time. These kids could get a nice paycheck.
Contracts set alot of precedent. If a union agrees in a contract to things contained in the PPO part of the contract and the membership ratifies it, don't see what the department of labor can do
Hey Jackasses how about expand your foot patrols to the streets in 019, Like Clark street, Halsted street, and Belmont street. Robberies every night, batteries every night, What is it going to take for More units to give these people safe passage home from being robbed and or beaten or sexually assaulted. It is a free for all with all the petty thugs they walk around and prey on people.
As usual we are expendable! The city does not care about these new kids! As a veteran officer like other vets we need to show these new kids the way, to go home safe!
NYPD recruitment video guess they are hiring lol!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl8D0iX7Q2s
OT It seems that in 005 they even have more help they have SSA Patrol to help them. The officers are always thanking them on radio for there help and responding to calls. The SSA is doing transports for them. Wake up soon they will be taking police officers spots the city can hire 2 and a half SSA patrol for every one police officer. Is there a way on the arrest report that you say SSA patrol did the transport?
Sgts dont care they drop off the recruits at the station instead of driving them around. They send them home too without considering they are on probation. Poor recruits need leadership. Not foot patrol.
Does "Expanded Foot Patrols" mean taking 'big giant' steps, not little choppy shuffles... to cover more ground in 'yer box'.
Or does gMac mean he's going to give us clown shoes for foot patrolling ?
Oh, and don't forget your curbside sack lunch.
Where is FOP? These kids pay dues.
Whats FOP supposed to do? They negotiated a contract with the PPO rights spelled out in it, brought it to the membership who voted to accept the contract. Now we are stuck with it. It could have been voted down, but wasn't so now we have to live with it.
If its so bad for the PPO's make sure during the present negotiations that it is changed or vote it down when presented by the FOP. Just sayin
Some of these kids must come from Police families who should get this ball rolling.
Wouldn't Rahm and McStupid freak out if some Department of Labor investigators walked into 007, 010, 011 and into the Timekeepers offices and said, "We need to see the time cards on all your sworn employees with less than 18 months wervice."
"Need a writ, no problem."
I don't think the hours and days they are working is any secret. You make it sound like slave labor and the city is hiding what they are doing with the PPO's. Rahm and McCarthy talk about it everyday on TV and in the paper, saying the PPO's are on foot patrols and the 12 hour shift. This is no surprise discovery that the PPO's are on foot patrol
Does anyone know why recruits do not get time and a half for overtime? I was trying to find information and I can't find how it is even possible.
For the non-police here, rookie CPD officers don't get overtime pay until they are out of the academy for a full year.
I don't want to hear any of that "they are an at-will employee" stuff either. That is not the reason.
Wake up. The reason is that its in the contract that the FOP negotiated and the rank and file approved. My guess is that you voted for the last contract that contained the rights of the PPO's, its right in the contract about no overtime until 12 months out of the academy
Does anyone know why recruits do not get time and a half for overtime? I was trying to find information and I can't find how it is even possible.
For the non-police here, rookie CPD officers don't get overtime pay until they are out of the academy for a full year.
I don't want to hear any of that "they are an at-will employee" stuff either. That is not the reason.
READ YOUR CONTRACT, IT IS IN THERE
Does anyone know why recruits do not get time and a half for overtime? I was trying to find information and I can't find how it is even possible.
For the non-police here, rookie CPD officers don't get overtime pay until they are out of the academy for a full year.
I don't want to hear any of that "they are an at-will employee" stuff either. That is not the reason.
I sure hope you are not a detective
I think they hide it in the contract. You know the one FOP post and hides on their website under current contract and presented to the membership before you voted for it
Failure to train. The biggest lawsuit out there
Sounds HUGE, I'm sure the top law firms out there see the biggest lawsuit and payday and dont want to take it. Failure to train? six months in the academy really does sound like a short training period and a lack of training.
>>>Anyone who an document this should go directly and comlain to the Department of Labor.
Screw Rahm and McFuckup, 60 hours for straight time. These kids could get a nice paycheck.
Contracts set alot of precedent. If a union agrees in a contract to things contained in the PPO part of the contract and the membership ratifies it, don't see what the department of labor can do
9/11/2013 12:55:00 PM<<<
YOU don't see what the Department of Labor can do.
A contract violate the law.
Let's find out what the Department of Labor CAN do. Maybe make Rahm follow the law or pay up. If one of those PPOs maybe has a relative who has access to those timecards then they would be morally obligated to expose this illegal practice before people are ruined.
to the person who wrote' they will learn more on foot patrol in 007 011 than in 16 or 008. you sir must be smoking crystal meth, they are not going to learn alot plus they might get hurt. as for 016 in case you had your head up your ass your entire career 16 or 008 are no picnic and with the right fto they can learn a lot, there is more to this job that the typical ghetto drama and rocks n blow,
forget the ghetto if they are going to have foot patrols for the recruits send them to 019 001 , 16 008 n 022. foot patrols in the ghetto are totally useless plus the mutss dont want you there in the first place, i live in edison park and would to see recruits walking on northwest highway. at least they will be appreciated and fed .screw the ghetto
signed
016 warrior
And they cant even check the PAY box until there 12 months in to their 18 month probationary period.
Why didn't you think of that before you approved the contract?
I would far more worried about the rookies being placed in a situation where one could get killed.
As stated no experienced officer to show them what to look out for
Everytime a CPD officer puts on a uniform, they are being placed in a situation where they could get killed. Its part of the job.
Wouldn't Rahm and McStupid freak out if some Department of Labor investigators walked into 007, 010, 011 and into the Timekeepers offices and said, "We need to see the time cards on all your sworn employees with less than 18 months wervice."
"Need a writ, no problem."
Really, freak out. Why, there is an article in the Tribune today where they are touting "The addition of rookie cops in 20 impact zones". Doesn't appear they are hiding the timecards and the contract says that PPO's dont receive overtime pay until they are off probation.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-09-11/news/ct-met-emanuel-mccarthy-fighting-crime-20130911_1_foot-patrols-chicago-police-department-fop-president-michael-shields
12hrs day are coming get use to it. no more pension for younger cops 401k n 457
rahm is a shameless political pimp!
He wants to change the name of Stony Island ave to that of a souf side reveun.
Anything for a vote huh rahm.
"...Foot patrol allows them to better interface with their area of operation."
9/11/2013 02:11:00 AM
Huh whatdafuckusay?
GTFOH with that Comp-Stat speechifying bullshit!
This is either Garry or one of his "kids."
A whiskey shits afllicted ass desperately seeking interface with a toilet seat to deposit that subject matter in which you're an expert in...
Man... Just move the fuck on and stop aggravating the people who are stuck here!
They will learn more on foot patrol in 007 and 011 than from a FTO in 016 or 008
9/11/2013 12:48:00 PM
I am so sick of these premadonna 007 & 011 douche bags who think that they are the only busy shit districts in the city! Sorry 007 but 008 blows you guys away and 011, give it up you're not all that. Its not very hard to make a dope/gun pinch on the west side when they stand in front of you doing it. And yes I've worked both districts so I know what I'm talking about. None of you are any better than anybody else on this department so please get off it!! Oh and you englewood rangers, if you're so busy why was 003, 006, & 009 tied for #1 in homicides last year w/007 not even in the running??
Rookies may be the wrong choice of words. Martyrs? We hope not, not for the a-holes running this city.
"What's wrong with 12 hour shifts? We worked 12 hour shifts 6 days a week, for months on end, in the Army, no over time and paid less than most cops. We were able to handle it."
You also lived in subsidized housing, had government rations, shopped in subsidized PX & commissaries and were provided Medical & Dental coverage.
Your comparison is baseless, Imbecile.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Failure to train. The biggest lawsuit out there
Sounds HUGE, I'm sure the top law firms out there see the biggest lawsuit and payday and dont want to take it. Failure to train? six months in the academy really does sound like a short training period and a lack of training.
9/11/2013 04:18:00 PM
Every lawyer in every law firm was told the same thing in law school: you're here to learn the Law, but that doesn't make you a lawyer.
The academy teaches how to formulate a narrative, how to aim a gun at a paper target, how to handcuff your gym partner... but it doesn't teach you what to do and how to do it when you're in a dark gangway, running into unknown territory, stinging sweat running into your eyes, gun in one hand, flashlight in the other, people screaming on the radio, and the shit hits in the fan in one form or another.
THAT is why they need training on the street, not just in a nice, clean classroom.
"Police officers...and similar employees (“first
responders”) ...are not exempt
under Section 13(a)(1) or the regulations and thus are protected by the...overtime provisions of the FLSA."
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/fairpay/fs17j_first_responders.pdf
"The overtime requirement may not be waived by agreement between the
employer and employees."
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs23.pdf
Employers will try to get away with what they can.
Anonymous said...
They will learn more on foot patrol in 007 and 011 than from a FTO in 016 or 008
9/11/2013 12:48:00 PM
I am so sick of these premadonna 007 & 011 douche bags who think that they are the only busy shit districts in the city! Sorry 007 but 008 blows you guys away and 011, give it up you're not all that. Its not very hard to make a dope/gun pinch on the west side when they stand in front of you doing it. And yes I've worked both districts so I know what I'm talking about. None of you are any better than anybody else on this department so please get off it!! Oh and you englewood rangers, if you're so busy why was 003, 006, & 009 tied for #1 in homicides last year w/007 not even in the running??
9/11/2013 10:59:00 PM
008 is huge and busy.Open up the northside districts to bids and you will get plenty of good coppers.I've seen some northside VRI guys scream bloody murder on the radio over some random savages acting up just to turn out to be typical nonsense.We all know guys that just haven't had a shitty assignment and you can tell by how they talk to people on the street and yes that includes supervisors also.Every new copper should cut his teeth in a fast district and pay his dues.No disrespect just my observation.
OT It seems that in 005 they even have more help they have SSA Patrol to help them. The officers are always thanking them on radio for there help and responding to calls. The SSA is doing transports for them. Wake up soon they will be taking police officers spots the city can hire 2 and a half SSA patrol for every one police officer. Is there a way on the arrest report that you say SSA patrol did the transport?
They help when needed so stop hating
These young policemen have graduated from one of the finest police academies in the world. They have the knowledge and training. All they need now is the polishing that solo foot patrol will provide. Chicago can be thankful for the foresight and intelligent leadership of its law enforcement leaders. Keeping the citizens of Chicago safe.
Common Gary! Don't you have anything better to do in the mornings?
>>>Anonymous said...
"What's wrong with 12 hour shifts? We worked 12 hour shifts 6 days a week, for months on end, in the Army, no over time and paid less than most cops. We were able to handle it."
You also lived in subsidized housing, had government rations, shopped in subsidized PX & commissaries and were provided Medical & Dental coverage.
Your comparison is baseless, Imbecile.
9/11/2013 11:50:00 PM<<<
To: 11:50 You may disagree with him as is you right which he fought for but don't call him an imbecile.
To: Former Soldier, Thank-you for your service but I also disagree with you. The comparison is not valid for many reasons.
This not that new. I did my ten weeks and then went to loop traffic. Sometimes 99 and sometimes with a fellow recruit working long hours and days off cancelled. Some how i survived and finished probation with time on the books that have carried me through the years. Granted, foot patrols in the hood is way rougher than loop traffic, but if they can keep their heads low it won't be a bad way to get through probation staying out trouble. I did not even begin to learn to be the police until after probation. Just saying.
Police officers...and similar employees (“first
responders”) ...are not exempt
under Section 13(a)(1) or the regulations and thus are protected by the...overtime provisions of the FLSA."
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/fairpay/fs17j_first_responders.pdf
"The overtime requirement may not be waived by agreement between the
employer and employees."
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs23.pdf
Not sure who is right on this one. If what you say is true, how did the FOP, their lawyers and the arbitrator let this go thru in the contract. City hall has labor lawyers who I'm sure pointed this out if it was against federal labor law. Its not like it was a secret and just discovered. Has been going on for some time and no way lawyers havent been aware of it. Cant see them not filing a lawsuit and making some quick bucks if it was that easy and dont see city hall exposing themselves to such a liability if they know its against federal law.
Plus, how did this get missed by FOP? No one had labor lawyers who pointed this out.
It appears its not in black and white, but would be nice to have it explained.
"Police officers...and similar employees (“first
responders”) ...are not exempt
under Section 13(a)(1) or the regulations and thus are protected by the...overtime provisions of the FLSA."
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/fairpay/fs17j_first_responders.pdf
"The overtime requirement may not be waived by agreement between the
employer and employees."
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs23.pdf
City has beaten FOP on so many cases and arbitrations cases that appeared to be winners for the FOP, so I'm betting there is something more to this than meets the eye. Cant be as easy as going to the city and saying "you violated federal labor law" so now pay us backpay since the law was enacted. Hey, maybe I'll get back pay from my time in the academy and while on probation
Time for the more seasoned officers to go on foot patrol.And, no personal cars allowed. They will be dropped off by a supervisor on their post.
Anyone who an document this should go directly and comlain to the Department of Labor.
Screw Rahm and McFuckup, 60 hours for straught time. These kids could get a nice paycheck.
9/11/2013 03:26:00 AM
Their situation is not covered by federal law, as of yet.
the city can hire 2 and a half SSA patrol for every one police officer. Is there a way on the arrest report that you say SSA patrol did the transport?
They help when needed so stop hating
9/12/2013 02:36:00 AM
Another fucking idiot heard from....
listen up stupidfuck, it's dipshits like YOU who're gonna be the first to go, dumbass.
I swear to god, there's always a dumbfuck out here who just doesn't fucking get it that this fucking mayor intends to shit on the police at every turn, and hiring these fuckheads means fuckwads like YOU get to go stand on a shithole corner for 8 fucking hours "preventing" crime while these wannabe gangster fucks take the rest of your job, you fucking tool.
And when Emanuel gets to claim to be the first "big time" mayor to cut police, we'll be seeing you standing on the breadline, and laughing at your stupidity and encouragement of you losing your own fucking job.
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/fairpay/fs17j_first_responders.pdf
and of course
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs23.pdf
Listen up noobs, the FOP nor the City has the authority to "agree" away your right to compensation at time and one half. Although many of us have done it in the past, you are now officially made aware of the law as it applies directly to you.
Hold Emanuel accountable. Force this city to pay you the time and one half you deserve by law.
Do not let the FOP or City fuck you over as part of some agreement to allow the city to shit on new employees.
File the lawsuit PRIOR to your demand for compensation. PRORECT yourself against retaliation from Emanuel.
I assure you, filing this lawsuit against the city will only serve to PROTECT you from retaliation from the City.
That and you will all be gods in the eyes of a veteran for standing up for what is lawfully your right.
>>>OT It seems that in 005 they even have more help they have SSA Patrol to help them. The officers are always thanking them on radio for there help and responding to calls..."
Never underestimate the power of a THANK-YOU. Always use it...
...and if you get the chance buy 'em a beer.
Listen up noobs, the FOP nor the City has the authority to "agree" away your right to compensation at time and one half. Although many of us have done it in the past, you are now officially made aware of the law as it applies directly to you.
Hold Emanuel accountable. Force this city to pay you the time and one half you deserve by law.
Do not let the FOP or City fuck you over as part of some agreement to allow the city to shit on new employees.
File the lawsuit PRIOR to your demand for compensation. PRORECT yourself against retaliation from Emanuel.
I assure you, filing this lawsuit against the city will only serve to PROTECT you from retaliation from the City.
That and you will all be gods in the eyes of a veteran for standing up for what is lawfully your right
I have a better idea PPO's. Wait until you are off probation, then file a grievance or a lawsuit. You dont have to file it when you are on probation.
Second, don't listen to this guy. How can he assure you that you will be protected against retaliation. Believe me in my time on the job I've seen heavier guys than you go down. Somehow the city gets back
Third, you will not be a god in the eyes of a veteran. Most don't know about this and couldn't care less unless it affects them or unless they have a kid thats a PPO or coming on the job
There is no way the city has been doing this and getting away with it for so many years if it is in violation of a federal labor act.
No way, they have been doing it and even bragging about it, so with all your jail house lawyering nothing will change because if it was illegal, someone would have taken action years ago. This was no secret
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This not that new. I did my ten weeks and then went to loop traffic. Sometimes 99 and sometimes with a fellow recruit working long hours and days off cancelled. Some how i survived and finished probation with time on the books that have carried me through the years. Granted, foot patrols in the hood is way rougher than loop traffic, but if they can keep their heads low it won't be a bad way to get through probation staying out trouble. I did not even begin to learn to be the police until after probation. Just saying.
9/12/2013 09:20:00 AM
Oooooh, Loop Traffic! Eight or ten restaurants on every block, lots of places to go and get warm (or cool, but I bet you were on the window detail at Christmas), lots of opportunity to watch the tourists and spandex go by, plenty of NICE people to chat up and play public relations with. Oh, yes, you had it rough. And you survived it! It's a WORLD of difference keeping your 'head low' in the loop than it is on mids in the hood.
The biggest joke of all is 9.5 on the radio commercials, attempting to recruit youngsters for the job. Uhh, dumbass rahm, you and tricky dick are the ones that cut manpower to the bone in the first place claiming budgetary concerns. Still wondering, though, about the missing cash from the sale of the skyway and parking meters that was supposed to retire the debt.
Retired Cop here who hates what Rahm Daley Weis and McCarthy have done to his beloved CPD.
Just to be sure I have this straight.
These Probationary Police Officers, with less than 18 months service, and not covered by the F.O.P. contract are required by their employer, the City of Chicago to work a total of 60 hours in a 7 day week by working five 12 hour days (I assume using the 4 & 2 schedule) and are not compensated by time and a half pay.
OK tomorrow, I can call the Chicago Office of the United States Department of Labor
and lay this our for one of their staff attorneys.
I will report back on the response I get.
Now anyone else still working, especially any command staff, have you investigated this problem?
Have you made any calls or sent any emails or To/Froms through channels?
Better do so first thing in the morning because by the evening news time it may be too late.
Stay Safe. This may be finally be the way we get rid of this bully McCarthy, and a big reason I became a cop is I hate bullies.
P.S. Anjyone else want some justice:
United States Department of Labor,
Address: 230 S Dearborn St #1086, Chicago, Illinois 60604
Phone:(866) 487-2365
Rahm and Garry think they can bully these kids because they can fire them on whim.
FOP has flopped; the media has ignored the destruction of the CPD in general so someone has to speak up for these kids, maybe a police family member. If you can document this story please call:
United States Department of Labor
Wage and Hour Division
Chicago District Office
312 596 7230
Just to be sure I have this straight.
These Probationary Police Officers, with less than 18 months service, and not covered by the F.O.P. contract are required by their employer, the City of Chicago to work a total of 60 hours in a 7 day week by working five 12 hour days (I assume using the 4 & 2 schedule) and are not compensated by time and a half pay.
Actually they are covered by the contract that says they cannot get time and a half in cash until they are off probation
Just to be sure I have this straight.
These Probationary Police Officers, with less than 18 months service, and not covered by the F.O.P. contract are required by their employer, the City of Chicago to work a total of 60 hours in a 7 day week by working five 12 hour days (I assume using the 4 & 2 schedule) and are not compensated by time and a half pay.
Read the contract, appendex P It spells out what PPO's are entitled to and what they are not entitled to until they get off of probation
That should answer all your questions. Get back and let us know what you were told
>>>Actually they are covered by the contract that says they cannot get time and a half in cash until they are off probation
9/13/2013 01:45:00 PM<<<
The contract cannot supercede federal law. If the contract says that then the PPOs cannot be worked overtime and paid cash then they cannot be made to work overtime at all and McCarthy screwed up again.
To any supervisory or office personnel who has documentation of this insanity do not lie or conceal facts for Rahm or McCarthy.
The CPD used to have some good people in Legal Affairs. Are they aware of this and why haven't they told McCarthy you can't do this.
If the Federal Labor Laws say that the PPOs must be paid time and a half for these 12 hour shifts and 60 hour weeks why aren't the FOP members and attroneys at least complaining that this overtime is not being given to officers in the units according to SENIORITY.
A preliminary inquiry to the Wage and Hour Division of the Department of Labor has been made by a retired officer/police family and KMA Club member.
The preliminary answer is that the city is in violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act in not paying these PPOs time and a half cash for this scheduled overtime.
The contract does not over rule federal law. This is scheduled preplanned overtime so why didn't FOP complain that this overtime should go to officers by seniority.
This is not court overtime or extension of tour to finish an arrest.
The city could have avoided this violation of the law by not forcing PPOs to work these exhausting extended shifts and either not making these shifts 12 hours or giving the overtime to officers not on probation according to seniority.
Stay Safe. Rahm will be pissed at McCarthy again because he will have to write some checks to these PPOs. Hope it helps to pay off their first year uniform expenses and make for a nice Christmas.
The CPD used to have some good people in Legal Affairs. Are they aware of this and why haven't they told McCarthy you can't do this.
Sure they are aware of this, its no secret and has been in the papers and in the media. Hard to believe the city would expose themselves to such liability if they knew it was against federal law and continued to do it. My guess is both CPD and city hall lawyers gave a legal opinion that it can be done
Question is, why after all these years of allowing it, is it just brought up now. Been going on for at least 2 contracts or more
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