Judges Ignore the Law
- Denzel Simons, 19, a first-time felon, stood before Cook County Circuit Judge Diane Cannon facing six to 30 years in prison for robbing a man at his Southwest Side home.
There was no way he was supposed to get boot camp — a break reserved for young, nonviolent offenders. His victim was against it. He’d lost his wallet, with $290 inside, and took a beating from Simons’ partner in crime, who pistol-whipped him.
What’s more, Illinois law explicitly ruled out a boot camp sentence. Boot camp or probation aren’t options for armed robbers like Simons. It’s too serious of a crime.
But in a decision repeated again and again in recent years by Cook County judges, Cannon ignored the law. She gave Simons boot camp anyway.
Can you guess what happened?
- Less than two years after he was sent to the four-month boot camp program, Simons was charged with murdering Kermit Delashment II, a 21-year-old college student with big dreams.
Delashment’s death was the 500th killing of 2008 in Chicago.
And guess what the judge's reply was when confronted with the fact that a criminal she was required to send to prison was instead out committing murder?
- In an interview, the judge acknowledged: “I am sure I have given sentences that were not the letter of the law.”
“You got me,” she said.
Wow. Just wow. A dead man on her watch, under her gavel and all she can say is "You got me." Not only that, she gave a dozen other robbers the same break, consciously disregarding the sentencing requirements in Illinois law.
Here's the other judges pointed out in Frank Main's article:
Here's the other judges pointed out in Frank Main's article:
- The other judges at the time who sent defendants to boot camp for armed robbery were Evelyn Clay, Lon Shultz and Marcus Salone. None returned calls seeking comment.
Chief Cook County Judge Timothy Evans would not comment.
There are hundreds of these cases where judges are disregarding sentencing requirements for forcible felonies and sending ineligible felons to boot camp. Hundreds. And they're out there committing crimes to this very day.
Nice job Frank Main - good to see you can actually do the job when the spirit moves you. Now how about something on the parolees committing robberies, rapes and murders and the complete failure of the Illinois justice system that is needlessly abetting the killing and maiming innocents?
Nice job Frank Main - good to see you can actually do the job when the spirit moves you. Now how about something on the parolees committing robberies, rapes and murders and the complete failure of the Illinois justice system that is needlessly abetting the killing and maiming innocents?
Labels: scandals
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
153 Comments:
It's about time this has come to light... These judges who have blatantly ignored the law should be held accountably both criminally and civilly. Persecute a few of these judges who think they are God and watch how fast the system gets whipped into shape.
So come out with a "who to vote out" list for Cook County Judges this coming election.
The time has come for this AND it will get the publicity it should - maybe not in the slanted Chicago Press, but I guarantee it will get published.
This is very much needed and believe me, many who vote would use this as a guide.
NOT A LEO, JAFO
OT... ANOTHER armed robbery in mt greenwood. Running out of options. Makes it kinda hard to focus on work when the cell blows up from the wife and neighbors at home. WTF this really isn't worth it any more.
I once wrote a paper on how judges should be held responsible for poor decisions. The professor said judges are not held accountable to the people, but only to the law. In cook county - judges have too much discretion.
Criminal Courts.
Cook county is the most dangerous place for a crime victim and the safest place for the criminals. The judges are incompetent and pro bad guy
this is just the tip of the iceburg with what goes on with the judges and asa's.
Holy fuck, plus how many police officers were killed the same cook county way, these judges are all part of the problem, gee where is Marcus Salone now appellate court same place Bertina Lampkin is appellate court, she gave the probation on top of probation to officer Valadez killers
...but if you are a legit citizen with no record that violates a minor technicality of the CCW law, you WILL serve years of prison time.
This is nothing new. This is the reason why violent crime is out of control. The predators know that there are no consequences for the acts. Put them away for a few years and the word will get out and it will calm down.
But Preckwinkle doesn't want too many people of color in prison. Doesn't care if the end up in the ER or the morgue.
And couldn't give a sh!t less about white victims.
this is what needs to be focused on instead of other nonsense. Now I just want to fast forward to March and see Mikey lose re election.
This list of judges needs to be printed/posted for the week before the next election in all media formats possible. I always vote "no" on all judges, but the average voter either votes according to ethnic heritages or they don't vote on them at all.
Ya know how everybody says. "It can only get worse."
Well this is it and guess what?
It will only get worse.
"You got me..."
Actually, no, we don't.
Nothing will happen. She's going to look bad in the press for a while, but nothing will happen to her.
She's a Judge. Immune to law suits. And absolutely ZERO criminal charges will be filed against her.
Seeing that this is Cook Co., She'll probably get re-elected.
I hate this City, this County and this State.
It is what it is. Nothing is going to change things. Keeping a man in prison for many years is expensive and the prisons are overflowing. The citizens of Cook Co. just have a propensity for great violence.
One mistake SCC....you mean the failure of Toni PRICKWRINKLE's and Tom Dart's CROOK County justice system. In suburban counties like DuPage and Will the justice system doles out punishments that fit the crime much better.
The Feds said they had to shut down Operation Greylord... They were afraid that if they let it run it's natural course, the Cook County court system would have been totally destroyed and every elected official in county and City of Chicago governance would have been caught in the undertow and drowned like the rats they were/are.
In hindsight... The Feebs missed a once in 100 year opportunity to do the citizenry of this city and mankind as a whole a solid...
Too late now... These dirty pricks have rewritten the rules in their favor and they moved Heaven, Earth and a few choice precincts of Hell to install a hollow assed, less than a man in the White Houseas a hedge against the Feds EVER doing anything about the corruptocracy that is Chicago.
But everybody is all in on the media and the feds shining a bright light in a copper's underwear drawer...
"Don't look here... Look THERE!"
>Squeaky-Squooky-Squeek!<
Another freshly twisted, brightly colored and sparkly balloon animal of distraction...
POP! Whoopsie!
*No... You didn't REALLY see what you THINK you saw...*
Local media is the equivalent of a family pooch eating the popcorn garland off the Christmas Tree...
Unholy stink and shit mixed with string, tinsel and pine needles all though the damned house and the critter that done it is hiding under the couch while everybody feigns surprise at the sight and smell.
It's Chicago... Whaddaya expect?
This is why I VOTE NO to 90% of judges. I only vote yes when I know that take their punishments seriously. But VOTE NO for MOST of them, and tell your friends and family. Get some new judges in there who want to punish guilty offenders or is this just Candy Land Cook County, oh but, wait it is. Rapists and Murderers are treated like gold in Chicago. At least the French government is looking out for their people and telling them not to come here.
Anonymous said...
O.T.
Congratulations in advance to the 78 new sergeants.
Class starts Monday.
11/21/2013 03:49:00 PM
Dam, whoever is writing this is one cruel SOB. This is not happening. At least not this monday for sure. There are plenty of good people that are a class away and to post something like this really shows what a low class piece of sh*t you are.
What do all of these judges have in common?
You mean Cook County has inept public officials in charge because socialists put them there? Wow. I'm stunned.
Funny how an insignificant police blog has been pointing this out for years and the Chicago media is only now getting around to it. Hmm. Strange.
...send us your tired, poor, broken, decrepit, and non-functional handguns -- we'll give you free gift cards no questions asked.
this program enables the chicago political apparatus the ability to promote that chicago has taken more guns off the streets than any other city.
oh yes --nice, impressive sound-bite eh
forget that it's chicago taxpayers that end up exporting their money to other states as gun owners travel cross country over 1,000 miles in some cases to cash in on the stupidity.
forget that the program paid money to take broken guns and replicas off the streets -- which funded the purchase of new working replacement weapons.
what an eff-ing embarrassment.
no-no-no, just stick to the script that implies less guns == less crimes.
Well SCC.
I see you haven't learned a thing. You Chicago cops sure are bunch of stubborn do gooders.
Unlike you and your boss my minions know exactly what they’re doing. Cannon, Clay, Shultz and Salone to name a few know exactly who’s the boss. Even little Timmy knows better than to actually administer the law under my watch in this city of mine.
Now get out there and make mama some money. I need a new suit. Haven’t you heard same sex marriage is legal and I need to look a bit more manlier.
Tony Prickwinkle
Only thing we can do is vote these judges out on the next election. Those judges "appointed" by the county should be dismissed by the Chief Judge. Don't wait around for that to happen. All of these judges are "clout babies" with deep political connections. Too bad for the young victim here.
Yeah she once cut a car burglar loose on me after I on-viewed him burglarizing a pickup and coming out putting on the victim's army jacket with the victim's name on it. Bad guy also took other proceeds. Watching all this from covert car, it was a dead bang case. She said it was a good arrest but we jumped the gun taking him into custody before we had the victim! Guess we should have done a contact card and let off. walk away with victim's property! Multi convicted offender vs. defender of our country. Bad guy walks. These judges need legal action taken against them. They make the laws and sentences subjective with no consequences. Interpretation of the law by these political hacks is ridiculous. If CPD has to enforce by elements of crimes, why don't judges have to convict and subsequently sentence in accordance to laws. Yeah, I know, they're afraid of the appeals process. They're afraid of their clout and votes. Where's the appeals process for the victims? TV judges have more common sense. This city, county and state stink to high heaven! Sorry for the long rant. It's late and I did not have my medicinal bottle of pinot noir tonight.
Retired
What I don't understand is why they rule " finding of no probable cause" when there is probable cause. For instance when probable cause it a traffic violation, the judge will throw out the case but transfer the tickets. How can you rule no probable cause but in the same breath transfer my probable cause for the stop to another court for prosecution. I don't like the no probable cause ruling in these cases because I feel it opens us up to litigation. Isn't there another option for these judges to rule?
It's all part of the "Machine's" quest to keep the entitled "democrook voters happy. Staying in power out trumps the need to keep Tax Payers safe.
Does anyone have the slates that will be running for fop? I'm sure they are still firming things up with one more meeting left for year, but does anyone have the scoop?
Is Mikey dumb enough to try this again?
Who has Billy boy teamed up with?
And biggest question of all: When the fuck can we kick Geiger out of that office?
Set up a group home for parolees on the block where a judge lives. They may learn a thing or two. Karma is a bitch.
You got me, but what difference does it matter? There are too many black and brown people in jail.
Remember, those are Democratic talking points during the next election.
This Nation has become too forgiving, not just with criminals, but with bad behavior in general. Somebody does something bad? Hold it against them. Make them pay. There has to be consequences. Without them, laws mean nothing. They are unenforceable and we the law abiding become easy prey.
If the Judge thinks she is above the laws of Illinois, then she is unfit to be a Judge.
your point is that judges sometimes make mistakes?
it happens.
they have bosses who should be reviewing these things. one would think the CCSA would object if an inappropriately low sentence was given.
there have been judges who have issued orders to expunge criminal records that exceed their statutory authority to do so.
This is the system the taxpayers continue to vote for.
ENJOY IT.
Hey SCC, that was a great article by Frank Main. You know Frank could have made it more interesting if he asked the judge:
"Hey Judge, what the robbery victim was a white guy from Winnetka? Would the offender qualified for boot camp?"
Let me tell you SCC, her answer wouldn't be "you got me." Everybody in law enforcement knows if its a rich white victim getting robbed, instead of a black guy, the offender ain't getting Tom Dart's Boot Camp. He's going to the Shit House. Probably for quite a while.
Regarding the judge's comment, "You got me", that translates to:
"I don't give a fuck. The robbery victim was black. Who gives a shit, anyway?"
FRANK MAIN, this the white elephant in the room. If Pookie or Ray-Ray rob a wealthy white guy in Lincoln Park, they're going o the Shit House. The rob some black guy. They get boot camp. Just ask the judge.
Right about now, some readers are going to ask, "Hey! How'd this judge become a judge in the first place? That's a good question that deserves a good answer. FRANK MAIN can you find the answer? Let me give you a hint: She was slated by the Democratic Party.
Signed,
Bronx Bullschitz and I bullshit here.
http://bronxbullschitzhere.blogspot.com
Ohare whats with this goof you sent us, bs, my partner and I watched him cut off an elderly couple, with his lights and siren on to cut in front of them in the burger king drive thru!!!!! whos his clout?
How bout that officer on the north side asking the dispatcher to call graffiti removal service .what in the world were you thinking . City service request and they will handle the issue . That was the most stupid thing I've heard over the radio .
Goggle "Judge Diane Cannon"
This judge has been shown to be total softball in several article. One noted case is where she wanted to lock up a court room observer for four months for whispering in her court room. Another case is during a jury recess she spoke in open court to a relative a defendant and acuused the defendant of shooting up the neighborhood. the case went to a federal appeal cort and had to retried. Only in Cook County can someone be that goofy and out of control and still have a job.
Breaking news, France has declared all Mcdonald restaurants in Chicago to violent,off limits to French citizens!!!!The horror!!
Anyone know if bs clout is Toni Perriwinkle,is it his play Auntie,?Guys at Ohare want to know!
Wow! Lil' Mikey Shields would make a great judge. He too ignores the rules and does whatever he wants. The members at the last fop meeting sent him a strong message when a motion was made, voted on, and overwhelmingly passed to reinstate Dougherty. Lil' Mikey has apparently pulled a Bill Nolan and now decided the motion was out of order after the fact. This little fuck does whatever he wants regardless of what the memberships wants or needs.
O.T. A big shout out to 93-2D Happy "20" Years! Also to the best HRI Mertz. I can finally get a summer furlo!
Where do the kick backs from the boot camp go and to who?
Judges ignore the law starting in traffic court. What is the conviction rate for Judge Gubin? 4% if that? It's a joke.
if we the police do not follow the letter of the law we can get stripped, arrested, fired, sued or sent to prison.maybe they need to get rid of absolute immunity, and hold is judge is the same standards as us.but that would make way too much sense.
Judge Diane Cannon isn't liked by individuals on both sides of the judicial fence. Seems the appellate court has reversed many of her decisions. Most for being overly zealous in remanding defendants to prison guilty or not.
This crap has been going on foe years! Thats why O hate court because itnis just a big waste of time qith these judges! These judgea should be disbarred!
This judge will never be held accountable for her actions. This is just one example on why concealed carry is so important for the average citizen. You must have the ability to defend yourself against these thugs.
What a job being a judge. The only occupation that you don't have to be held accountable for your actions.
So the States attorney office just lets judges ignore laws?
Hello Lisa Madigan anything you want to say?
Locking up these dogs while risking are lives is a joke to all these clowns.
JAFO said...
So come out with a "who to vote out" list for Cook County Judges this coming election.
The time has come for this AND it will get the publicity it should - maybe not in the slanted Chicago Press, but I guarantee it will get published.
This is very much needed and believe me, many who vote would use this as a guide.
NOT A LEO, JAFO
11/22/2013 12:12:00 AM
Being a judge in Cook County is very close to a lifetime appointment. No matter how stupid or incompetent the really bad judges are almost never voted for non-retention. In the past 30 years I can recall only one judge to be bounced by the voters.
In 1986 Judge Lawrence Passarella acquitted an offender who beat a Chicago Police Officer near to death and also beat her partner. He admitted as much. After a three hour trial the judge turned off the court microphone, ruled not-guilty and got up and walked out.
There was enough of an uproar that the judge was not retained. He was the only one I recall so the chance of any other judge being voted out is slim and none.
Over 70% of registered voters stay at home on election day. They couldn't care less how they are raped by the political class here. They like being screwed repeatedly so don't get yourself in a fluster about voting any judge out, no matter how bad. It just will not happen.
Just like the monkey learns to pull the lever for a treat, I've learned that banging my head against the wall locking people up and getting the same result only gives me a bigger headache and a bruise on my forehead.
I've finally become as smart as a monkey.
When this gets out to the rest of the country, guess what segment of the city's population will grow? Certainly not the working, tax-paying kind.
Maybe this is Rahm's way of increasing the democratic voting block?
Cannon was a prosecutor and was police friendly. Not sure if that changed over the years...but this article was definitely a hit piece on her. Salone, Let em go Leo Holt, Lampkin, and many others are bigger offenders of letting criminals off or giving them light sentences. Not a peep out of Preckwinkle when this shit happens. She wants minorities out of jail every other day. I wish I could move out of this state. The liberals are giving away everything to shitheads. I was in 015 and 011 yesterday. It is sickening the massive amounts of teenagers and young men hanging out on corners on every block. They don't want jobs. THey are leeching off of us and have no fear of going to prison for long periods of time..because they won't. These Democrats are under order to throw cases out and not send mutts to prison.
What would happen if police officers decided they could ignore the law and do what they thought was best in their official duties??
I would hate to see the headlines on that one
I got news for you. Crime is going down and if it keeps going down then the department will cancel VRI.
Only VRI can save the city. If the judges throw a few more fish back into the pond, then there is only one solution.
More VRI!!!!
-VRI GUY
Well according to Toni Preckwinkle there are too many people of brown and black color in jail so I am guessing this is what she is referring to by not locking them all up (at least the bad ones). Why have mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines if these crack pot judges are going to just do their own thing? I see there is no accountability of judges. I advise all my civilian friends to arm themselves and I am a very strong advocate for CCW in Illinois and especially Chicago. Arm yourselves my fellow Chicagoans and don't rely upon CPD or Preckwinkle's court system to lock people up who belong locked up.
LOL, I feel sorry for all the people and cops who have to live in this fucked up town. Two more years to go and I will be done.
Thanks Democratic voters and Madigan and Ed Burke for foisting these incompetent boobs on the judicial system.
Maybe my coffee hasn't kicked in yet, or maybe I've fallen into a Worm-Hole and woke up on the other side of the universe in some Bizarro-World. But something appears to be really screwed up?!?!
> 1) Illinois law explicitly ruled out a boot camp sentence. .... for armed robbers like Simons. It’s too serious of a crime.
> 2) But in a decision repeated again and again in recent years by Cook County judges, Cannon ignored the law. ... She gave Simons boot camp anyway.
> 3) the judge acknowledged: “I am sure I have given sentences that were not the letter of the law.” ... “You got me,” she said.
So there you have it. A sitting Cook County Judge admitting -- and pretty fricken smugly if you ask me -- that she ignores the Illinois Laws that she's charged with following. Those same laws that are in place in order for innocent victims of VIOLENT CRIME to get some sort of JUSTICE for being preyed upon, and also so society in general can be kept somewhat safer from the feral animals who roam our streets.
It'd be bad enough if the idiocy ended there with the judges. But nope, not in Cook-fucking-County, Illinois. That'd be waaaay to easy, we're the Ron Popeil of STOO-PID...There's Moooore!
--- 'Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez is now rethinking whether to appeal those sentences if judges continue to hand them down and is also looking into whether additional legislation is needed.---
Really Anita? ADDITIONAL legislation?!? What goddamn good will THAT do you nitwit! What makes you think another law will stop these judges when they already ignore the existing laws, huh!
You're really a special kind of stupid, aren't you Anita.
It's because these fools are
associate (hobby) judges, appointed as a reward or favor and ain't
got no clue of what their job
consists of. And Tim Evans, he's
incognito because he doesn't want
to be confronted with obvious
questions he would rather not
answer.
Anonymous said...
What I don't understand is why they rule " finding of no probable cause" when there is probable cause. For instance when probable cause it a traffic violation, the judge will throw out the case but transfer the tickets. How can you rule no probable cause but in the same breath transfer my probable cause for the stop to another court for prosecution. I don't like the no probable cause ruling in these cases because I feel it opens us up to litigation. Isn't there another option for these judges to rule?
11/22/2013 02:53:00 AM
Judges and prosecutors have immunity. Police do not. No probably cause is an easy and lazy way to dispatch the case, and throw it in the lap of the police.
In Cook County, all cocaine and heroin possession cases of a gram or less are booted due to no probable cause. All of them, unless they are part of something else. The ASA told me my first time to get used to it. She said the judge would find no PC, he did, and adios case. I didn't take it personally, I just stopped making arrests for small amounts of dope, all went in the toilet. So that, in effect, legalizes possession of small amounts and makes fools of the police.
Last Christmas Eve, Chicago Magazine ran a piece on their website about how difficult it is to "vote out" a Cook County judge:
"In fact, county residents voted to retain every single one of the 57 candidates on November’s circuit court ballot- including four judges deemed 'not qualified' by most bar associations. This happens in nearly every judicial election around here: Since 1990, the retention rate has been 100 percent."
100 percent.
Anonymous said...
Well SCC.
I see you haven't learned a thing. You Chicago cops sure are bunch of stubborn do gooders.
Unlike you and your boss my minions know exactly what they’re doing. Cannon, Clay, Shultz and Salone to name a few know exactly who’s the boss. Even little Timmy knows better than to actually administer the law under my watch in this city of mine.
Now get out there and make mama some money. I need a new suit. Haven’t you heard same sex marriage is legal and I need to look a bit more manlier.
Tony Prickwinkle
11/22/2013 02:10:00 AM
Toni Preckwinkle is married, to an alleged man named Zeus. No kidding. Haven't you ever heard her mention "Zeus?" That's her husband.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"You got me..."
Actually, no, we don't.
Nothing will happen. She's going to look bad in the press for a while, but nothing will happen to her.
She's a Judge. Immune to law suits. And absolutely ZERO criminal charges will be filed against her.
Seeing that this is Cook Co., She'll probably get re-elected.
I hate this City, this County and this State.
11/22/2013 01:10:00 AM
If that goofy F/1 judge can plead Insanity when she got charged in a criminal case, and she is still drawing a judge's salary, then no judge will ever again get voted out. No shit, she claimed insanity, the one sane thing she has done as a judge is to plead insanity.
After the boot camp, give them a ticket on the bus to texas. send them to a state that knows how to deal with repeat offenders.
This has been going on in Cook county for years. I remember years ago Judge Strayhorn sentenced a man to a low amount of years (cant remember exact amount) when by law he was supposed to be sentenced to mandatory life. The state sends it to the appellate court , who orders Strayhorn to sentence the man to life. Strayhorn lets him go, saying I'm the judge I decide not the legislature. The released dude goes up to Wisconsin and kills aguy. The guy is caught again and brought back to Illinois . Again after appellate court action , Strayhorn finally sentences the criminal to life . After a life was lost.
OT - remember how mcnitwit would kick there wall and pout every time one of his precious exempts left cpd for another job, questioning their loyalty or ability to do the work?
Guess where the nit wit is at? In NEW YORK!
What is there? 2 chief openings - police and port authority police
Draw you own conclusions.
It's all for the children
How ironic, go to traffic court and see decent hard working people get hammered by judges for minor traffic bullshit and it they plead guilty or are found guilty they are assessed an additional $174.00 court cost fee on top of their fine. Red light camera or speed cameras no boot camp, reduced fine, or community service to work off fine. But commit a crime , 99% are found no probable cause and those who are found guilty or plead to a lesser charge were are their court cost fee and public defender fee?
OT: Hey Mike "I should be drinking" Ryan, as a new Inspector I just want to let you know that your an Inspector for the entire CPD not just the 016th,017th, and 019th districts. Just asking, why won't you go south? Hmmmmm.........
He is a complete mess, very sad really. One lost soul and making some very bad decisions, a total train wreck.
Anonymous said...
O.T.
Congratulations in advance to the 78 new sergeants.
Class starts Monday.
11/21/2013 03:49:00 PM
Dam, whoever is writing this is one cruel SOB. This is not happening. At least not this monday for sure. There are plenty of good people that are a class away and to post something like this really shows what a low class piece of sh*t you are.
I second that.
This is terrible u can't even get PC in branch 44.
For all the people who ask about "do not vote for a judge list" , its all of them. they are all democratic. You will never see any different kind on the ballot. no around here.
I can't wait for the full effect of the Carry and Conceal Law!
It's about time honest citizens even the score and bypass the criminal justice system and send these thieving thugs straight to the morgue!
Da Pelon
Holy shit. If we fuck up these asshole liberal judges nail us to the wall. And rightly so. Where is the accountability for them? Who is holding them responsible. These families should file a massive lawsuit!! This is bullshit.
No surprise JUVENILE JUDGES ARE PATHETIC NO PUNISHMENT WASTE OF TIME FOR P/O'S. SOME EVEN GIVE OFFENDERS THE FIST BUMP CALENDAR 68 HINT KNOWN FOR THAT. Juvenile offenders get treated better than VICTIMS, one of primary reasons VICTIMS refused to even show up. Only in CROOK COUNTY..........can't wait to leave this shit hole and become a regular citizen.
When Sheriff Dart was refusing to comply with Court Order Evictions or ICE Detainers he had no problem ignoring Court orders. But now when it comes to public safety Little Tommy Toupee is now afraid to challenge an illegal judges order according to his spokesperson Cara Smith. Nice try Tom..... Your more to blame than the Judge because you have a duty as Sheriff to ignore ILLEGAL judges orders that put the public in danger. Your the Sheriff, start acting like it. . You owe an apology to Kermit Delashment's family Mr. Sheriff.
On the other hand, the same judge threw the book at a Serbian immigrant who didn't understand what she was saying.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-protess/cook-county-judge-a-loose_b_3973197.html
Next week's Sun Times article: "jails overcrowded, let's use boot camp more"
Anonymous said...
OT... ANOTHER armed robbery in mt greenwood. Running out of options. Makes it kinda hard to focus on work when the cell blows up from the wife and neighbors at home. WTF this really isn't worth it any more.
11/22/2013 12:15:00 AM
Lots of shit west end of 008 in garfield ridge area, guess the commanders of both districts are so weak and cowardly they bow to the revs and non taxpayers protec he homeland!
absolutely disgusting and ridiculous!!! however, not surprising to us which is so pathetic of this shitty city. this should not be the norm and we shouldn't have to get used to this type of corruption. just like someone pointed out before, karma is a bitch. just like bad guy on the street continues his violent and thieving ways gets him killed later down the road is the same for these political scumbags who wear a different uniform but act the same way.
What I don't understand is why they rule " finding of no probable cause" when there is probable cause. For instance when probable cause it a traffic violation, the judge will throw out the case but transfer the tickets. How can you rule no probable cause but in the same breath transfer my probable cause for the stop to another court for prosecution. I don't like the no probable cause ruling in these cases because I feel it opens us up to litigation. Isn't there another option for these judges to rule?
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Have you ever talked to an ASA in your life? It does not mean no probable cause for the arrest, it means no PC to go to trial. Also, you can be sued, or open to litigation even if you convict a guy, you can get sued for anything, you need to understand that if you work as a police officer expect to be sued- it's part your job.
Remove them from the bench and FIND a way to disbar them. How many innocents have suffered because of decisions from idiots like this.WTF.
Judge Sullivan in Skokie is the worst ever.
Starts at the top of that government level - Preckwinkle
Happens in federal court too
Most of you are probably too young or too old and senile but we did it in the eighties-throwing a judge out with votes-with the "motion mafia" vs Officer Cathy Touhy case. We backed our officer and the judge was gone quickly due to our strength. We can do it to all these pieces of crap judges.
Judge Howard in 203 definitely not a friend to the police, more like anti-police. Be careful with cases in her room, the way she voices her "opinion" of officers can definitely put ideas of litigation in the mutt's heads.
Still hard to top the 911 call of Judge Stanley Sachs calling from the parking lot of 26th St. claiming the Sheriffs were holding him against his will and then cursing at the call taker and dropping the "f" bomb on her. What a stroke...guess the anger management class did not work. Genius!
No other city in this country makes the rules up as it goes along like Chicago. The city is just a big dart board with those close to the center less apt to be stuck.
Well, sure, Judges are responsible to the Public - we can vote them out, and we can also file complaints against them with the Judicial Review Board to have them thrown out of office.
OR, you can just keep them in the spotlight so much that the fucken asshole resigns because SUNLIGHT IS THE BEST DISINFECTANT.
Continue shining the brightest light possible on their bullshit. Don't ever stop. It's the media's right and responsibility - there's a reason why the Media is called the "4th Estate" and this is precisely it.
We got you bitch - now own up to it, and resign.
How about Judge Chevere in Br 23. She refuses to issues warrants for arrest. Almost exclusivley it is a turndown with the excuse "ongoing dispute." Hey Judge Evans, take a look into this.
Why should judges be any different than FOP presidents, mayors or Presidents of the United States? They all make up their own rules as they go with total disregard for the law.
Surprised? Shouldn't be unless you think it is all legit.
old retired guy
If you are out generating revenue to feed this monster you are no better than the judge or shitheads. I am shocked by how many stooges complain about everything but yet cowardly contribute to it.
So What else is new in Communist Crook County ?
Anonymous said...
Cook county is the most dangerous place for a crime victim and the safest place for the criminals. The judges are incompetent and pro bad guy
11/22/2013 12:16:00 AM
***ALSO, they're corrupt and on the take for $$$ and favors also.
Anonymous said...
The Feds said they had to shut down Operation Greylord... They were afraid that if they let it run it's natural course, the Cook County court system would have been totally destroyed and every elected official in county and City of Chicago governance would have been caught in the undertow and drowned like the rats they were/are.
In hindsight... The Feebs missed a once in 100 year opportunity to do the citizenry of this city and mankind as a whole a solid...
Too late now... These dirty pricks have rewritten the rules in their favor and they moved Heaven, Earth and a few choice precincts of Hell to install a hollow assed, less than a man in the White Houseas a hedge against the Feds EVER doing anything about the corruptocracy that is Chicago.
But everybody is all in on the media and the feds shining a bright light in a copper's underwear drawer...
"Don't look here... Look THERE!"
>Squeaky-Squooky-Squeek!<
Another freshly twisted, brightly colored and sparkly balloon animal of distraction...
POP! Whoopsie!
*No... You didn't REALLY see what you THINK you saw...*
Local media is the equivalent of a family pooch eating the popcorn garland off the Christmas Tree...
Unholy stink and shit mixed with string, tinsel and pine needles all though the damned house and the critter that done it is hiding under the couch while everybody feigns surprise at the sight and smell.
It's Chicago... Whaddaya expect?
11/22/2013 01:24:00 AM
The Feds DIDN'T HAVE to shut down Graylord, by doing so. they admitted by their Actions, that THEY are ALSO corrupt.
Anonymous said...
How about Judge Chevere in Br 23. She refuses to issues warrants for arrest. Almost exclusivley it is a turndown with the excuse "ongoing dispute." Hey Judge Evans, take a look into this.
11/22/2013 01:29:00 PM
If you think Evans is straight, you are out of your f'n Mind too.
Awesome post scc keep it up. These reporters can not let up.
There used to be a website/blog about all the bad or corrupt judges in Illinois years ago. Is that still up?
You must be the goof in 020 walking around showing off your new sergeant shirts and telling everyone in the station when you are a sergeant things will be different.
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Dam, whoever is writing this is one cruel SOB. This is not happening. At least not this monday for sure. There are plenty of good people that are a class away and to post something like this really shows what a low class piece of sh*t you are.
The Courts of The County of Cook sure has the grand share of nitwits. Its easy to see who really excelled in law school and which should have used their free ride to study neighborhood organizing. The Machine backs these imbeciles and there should be some sort of recall system.
What I don't understand is why they rule " finding of no probable cause" when there is probable cause. For instance when probable cause it a traffic violation, the judge will throw out the case but transfer the tickets. How can you rule no probable cause but in the same breath transfer my probable cause for the stop to another court for prosecution. I don't like the no probable cause ruling in these cases because I feel it opens us up to litigation. Isn't there another option for these judges to rule?
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Have you ever talked to an ASA in your life? It does not mean no probable cause for the arrest, it means no PC to go to trial. Also, you can be sued, or open to litigation even if you convict a guy, you can get sued for anything, you need to understand that if you work as a police officer expect to be sued- it's part your job.
11/22/2013 10:59:00 AM
You actually fell for that bullshit? You are as sharp as a marble. It's the same fucking thing. Your little ASA buddy told you that bullshit they made up to appease dumb fucks like you so you can go away. Let me help you out guy. Just because some dumb fuck wears a suit and has a degree doesn't make him smarter than you. Law is written in English not Sanskrit.
Now do people get sued for no pc? Yes, in fact that is the basis for which they are suing you, along with some other bull shit.
Does getting a finding of no pc from a judge mean you get sued? No, but it give the piece of shit lawyers that you admire so much one less box to check off when they do sue you.
SCC please post this. True story. Okay I have a record, owned up to it, and deal with it. Have not been in trouble going 14 years now. But I had a experience from hell 4 years ago involving Judge Clay. Attempting to get a job I had to get my rap sheet. Go to the station on 35th and it is taking a long time to get it back. I look up and 8 armed cops literally jump me and arrest me. One cop in white apologizes and says we are only doing our job. I look at some papers in his hand and it is for probation violation. Once arrested I am taken to the station on 51st. Then I tell the arresting officer that there must be some mistake, I completed my probation successfully, just call my probation officer, now bear in mind I completed it 10 years ago. Still someone must have a record of it. Well they tell me it is not their job, that once I am in County to sort it out. Okay fine, I have done nothing wrong, figure that once there things will sort themselves out Now I am County, going through the bs of being locked up with the real criminals, the overworked public defender who is not even listening to me, I am hoping to simply ask the judge to call the probation department and confirm my story. Negative. The judge gets mad when I start talking. Weird right? Now I am locked up in County, no bond. That was a shock as well. Non-violent offense to begin with, have not been arrested in 10 years, plus felons and real criminals are getting electronic monitoring, what is going on? My first court date scheduled for 3 days. This sucks. But I am not giving up. Now I appear before Judge Clay my original judge. Surely now I can speak and get this cleared up. Nope, she curses me out in court, I am not given a chance to speak. WTF. At this point I am not taking any chances and forced to get a paid attorney to straighten this mess out. But still no bond and from the county only collect calls are made. I am scrambling to think of anyone who can and will accept collect calls. I am locked up for additonal two weeks behind this disaster. Finally with a paid attorney and a family member who can take collect calls we find my original probation officer, he confirms my story. And you want to hear the excuse? Because I had two cases, it was a paperwork glitch. No apologies or anything from Judge Clay. Needless to say, reading how she gives real criminals boot camp and home monitoring I am more than pisses. I was also told there is no lawsuit for my situation. What I will say is the cops who arrested me were cordial, and told me they were just doing their job. They could see in spite of a record my lack of arrests since then. Please post this.
To 5:44. Mistakes happen yes. But these decisions are not mistakes. They are conscious decisions being made by people knowing that they are not allowed to construct that certain decision. And the only reason they are knowingly making the wrong decisions is for their own personal gain in that they are furthering their own personal agenda. They as the real "last stand" should be making the proper, legal, and just decisions, not personally and politically motivated decisions.
"O.T.
Congratulations in advance to the 78 new sergeants.
Class starts Monday.
11/21/2013 03:49:00 PM
Dam, whoever is writing this is one cruel SOB. This is not happening. At least not this monday for sure. There are plenty of good people that are a class away and to post something like this really shows what a low class piece of sh*t you are."
I couldn't agree more, who ever post this is an A**. FYI, I know that one of the last Sgt. merit interviews will be on Dec. 6th so until that happens no promotions.
Anonymous said...
Most of you are probably too young or too old and senile but we did it in the eighties-throwing a judge out with votes-with the "motion mafia" vs Officer Cathy Touhy case. We backed our officer and the judge was gone quickly due to our strength. We can do it to all these pieces of crap judges.
11/22/2013 12:56:00 PM
Of course, I remember, I was on the job then. BUT THAT IS THE ONLY ONE! There have been no others! The voters do not care, they sit on their latte sipping hands come election day.
People get on this blog and scream we should vote the judges out. Sounds good except it has happened only once in the past 30 years or so in the Cathy Touhy case. This is due to no one giving a shit enough to be informed about the judges and do what is necessary.
Remember, this is the judiciary that people like Ed Burke and John Daley and the Democratic Central Committee has foisted upon us!
Much easier to vote Ed Burke and John Daley out of office and out of their committeeman spots.
This is the judiciary clout gives us. How do you like it?
OT : Dow record. Stayed the course with equities since academy in 92. Deferred just bumped over 400 k.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-bank-fraud-charges-filed-against-chicago-police-lieutenant-and-former-bank-ceo-20131122,0,6661863.story
Lt. Errol Davis retires after charged in federal indictment. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!
Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
Every cook county judge is a joke. Everyone knows it.
SCC:
City committee ratifies contract with police sergeants
Jimmy ADE at the sergeant's union meeting Thursday stated that the raises should be in the 16 December or 1 January paychecks.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/23928137-418/city-committee-ratifies-contract-with-police-sergeants.html
To preserve what is left of America always vote Republican . There is no other valid choice.
Class 93-2D?
Still a bunch of rookies.
Angry but not surprised.
I know how judges are made in Cook Co.
Easily solved. Why bother arresting anyone other then bad guys that commit crimes against family or friends of police.
Lt. Errol Davis resigned today after his long-rumored indictment became fact. Buh-bye.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-bank-fraud-charges-filed-against-chicago-police-lieutenant-and-former-bank-ceo-20131122,0,6661863.story
Anonymous said...
Holy shit. If we fuck up these asshole liberal judges nail us to the wall. And rightly so. Where is the accountability for them? Who is holding them responsible. These families should file a massive lawsuit!! This is bullshit.
11/22/2013 10:09:00 AM
Since I can't slap you myself could you just smack yourself upside the head?
And rightly so? Dumbshit.
And they can't and/or won't be held accountable
How about Judge Chevere in Br 23. She refuses to issues warrants for arrest. Almost exclusivley it is a turndown with the excuse "ongoing dispute." Hey Judge Evans, take a look into this.
I've personally heard issue warrants. She just doesn't
Bother for city charges.
Judge Evans, a former alderman, receives a city pension. He also receives a six figure salary from the Cook County. So does Toni Preckwinkle. What kind of raise is Rahm offering?
Yea new legislation like if a judge continually violates the law that is grounds for removal from the bench by the judicial review board.
Ignore the law?
That's the way of Chicago law.
Works in the White House to.
Pls publish a "vote no" list on the judges that should be thrown out of office for the next election. It would help to get the word out before early voting starts.
Bombshell: Common Core Teaching 4th Graders “White Voters” Are Against Black Barack Obama
http://b4in.info/tPZ1
"Since I can't slap you myself could you just smack yourself upside the head?"
Sorry but if you're a dirty cop you deserve to get nailed. And rightly so!!!
Funny when a cop breaks the law he/she loses their job and goes to prison. When a Judge breaks the law... Oh well sorry about that. Can I call the next case got a 2 o'clock tee time.
We need a federal prosecutor who has much hatred in his heart for "The Chicago Way."
Actually, the rest of this country should come to have extreme hatred for any and everything political and media related that comes comes out of Chicago and Illinois.
"The Chicago Way" has set the stage for the utter ruination of this republic.
That's what happens when you have a room full of shit-assed m/fers who snicker up their sleeves because they truly believe they're "smarter" than everybody else and only THEY know the punchline to the bad joke they're playing on a formerly great nation.
I was just reading yesterday about a successfully implemented jurisprudence reform that removed judges from the bench for errors which were the result of negligence. What was that called, again?...Oh, yeah.
The Code of Hammurabi.
1772 BC.
No accountability when they deliberately disregard or break the law. Jagoffs.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Pls publish a "vote no" list on the judges that should be thrown out of office for the next election. It would help to get the word out before early voting starts.
11/22/2013 10:15:00 PM
I bet Mr Gamblin' Man would lay 10g that no judge gets voted out of office.
They take an oath to do things the Chicago Way before their clout finalizes their appointment or whatever it's called ?
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11/22/2013 10:59:00 AM
You actually fell for that bullshit? You are as sharp as a marble. It's the same fucking thing. Your little ASA buddy told you that bullshit they made up to appease dumb fucks like you so you can go away. Let me help you out guy. Just because some dumb fuck wears a suit and has a degree doesn't make him smarter than you. Law is written in English not Sanskrit.
Now do people get sued for no pc? Yes, in fact that is the basis for which they are suing you, along with some other bull shit.
Does getting a finding of no pc from a judge mean you get sued? No, but it give the piece of shit lawyers that you admire so much one less box to check off when they do sue you.
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Man you read salty, do yourself a favor & resign/retire - where do you work old A3?
Pick the sane judge:
a. Vince Gaughan
b. Stanley Sachs
c. Evelyn Clay
d. none of the above
Yet each one will be retained.
I got news for you. Crime is going down and if it keeps going down then the department will cancel VRI.
Only VRI can save the city. If the judges throw a few more fish back into the pond, then there is only one solution.
More VRI!!!!
-VRI GUY
Sorry to rain on your parade but VRI will stop sometime in early 2014. Rahm has been trying for some federal money to cover the huge O.T. cost and the Feds turned him down.
Word from downtown is it will stop sometime in March (haven't worked out the exact date) but if history repeats itself, it will be last minute.
Hey, maybe Obama will start visiting more often and they will resurrect that one.
Have you ever talked to an ASA in your life? It does not mean no probable cause for the arrest, it means no PC to go to trial. Also, you can be sued, or open to litigation even if you convict a guy, you can get sued for anything, you need to understand that if you work as a police officer expect to be sued- it's part your job.
11/22/2013 10:59:00 AM
Sorry but you are sorely mistaken. When a judge rules no PC he is saying that you had no probable cause to make the arrest and therefore the arrest was not legal, opening YOU up to a lawsuit every time he does so. You are correct that you can be sued for just about anything but these judges ruling no PC on cases where there's clearly PC are giving the lawyers some pretty heavy ammo to file a civil suit against you. And you can bet your ass that the judges won't be questioned or held accountable EVER. Lastly, I don't expect to be sued for doing my job properly nor is it indicated anywhere in our job description that being sued is part of our duties. I find it funny that the judges and state's attorneys are all immune to civil law suits but the police are not. Remember that the next time a State's Attorney tells you to kidnap and hold a witness against their will because they want to talk to them in person. The best thing you can do is protect yourself by not wasting time processing 1 baggers that you know are going to get tossed in court for no PC. How many of those bullshit arrests need to get tossed out every week before officers wake up and get the hint? We definitely have some very dense individuals on this job.
Most of you are probably too young or too old and senile but we did it in the eighties-throwing a judge out with votes-with the "motion mafia" vs Officer Cathy Touhy case. We backed our officer and the judge was gone quickly due to our strength. We can do it to all these pieces of crap judges.
11/22/2013 12:56:00 PM
Of course, I remember, I was on the job then. BUT THAT IS THE ONLY ONE! There have been no others! The voters do not care, they sit on their latte sipping hands come election day.
People get on this blog and scream we should vote the judges out. Sounds good except it has happened only once in the past 30 years or so in the Cathy Touhy case. This is due to no one giving a shit enough to be informed about the judges and do what is necessary.
Happened more than once. Judge Jose Vasquez was also voted out on the retention ballot like Passerelli after there was a campaign to remove him. Below is an exert from an article about Daly when he was the ASA
He lambasted Judge Jose Vasquez, labeling one of his decisions as “ridiculous.” When Vasquez came up for retention, he was defeated. Judge Lawrence Passarella was voted out of office after Daley raised Cain about a ruling of his. “Daley engaged in a vendetta,” says one judge. “He was successful.”
Of course, I remember, I was on the job then. BUT THAT IS THE ONLY ONE! There have been no others! The voters do not care, they sit on their latte sipping hands come election day.
There has been at least one more. Judge Jose Vasquez was voted out
Anonymous said...
Every cook county judge ib>s a joke. Everyone knows it.
11/22/2013 05:08:00 PM
There should be a competition for who kills the most citizens via release of murderers, thieves, rapists, etc. Skokie judges have a good chance, Markham close. It's by judge not by total.
Read this recent courtroom drama involving this wacko judge. By the way she is a product of the Anita Alvarez reign of ineptness. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-protess/cook-county-judge-a-loose_b_3973197.html
What else id new!
It's the Chicago way right Rahm!
11/23/2013 02:10:00 AM
There is a cure for these judges...
I'd bet money you can find each and every one driving illegally at least once a week.
And I'd bet when you pull them over to write the Mover they are going to do something that would get any ordinary citizen into worse trouble if they did it to a Cop doing a 'completely random traffic stop due to the behavior of the driver who was unknown at the time of the stop.'
Teach the Judges they are just like everyone else...not above the law.
Ticket the snot out of them in such a way that one of their peers has no ability to review and dismiss the tickets.
give me a web address...anything to help keep track of these psychos
scc i'm looking to you to help me help you
not a cop
but a city worker/prisoner
What do you expect in Crook county? These judges are all incompetent thieves!
"You got me."
A judge makes a sentencing ruling in flagrant violation of the law and it directly results in a person's death and all the judge has to say is "You got me."???????
WTF. What a POS. That judge is heartless, no conscience bastard. No "I'm sorry" or any expression of shock or remorse for the pain and suffering she caused. Because they don't care. They do what they are told to do. Keep the criminals out on the street.
It is not shocking that she let a criminal back on the street to commit more injury. It is shocking her utter indifference. How can someone, anyone, especially one that is entrusted with a high responsiblity just not care? It is partly because she knows that there will be no consequences. But mainly because she is a heartless, irresponsible POS. She is only a judge because she tows the party line and everyone around her realizes that she is too stupid to be in any law office. Says a lot about whatever law school she went to. But it says more about her character and values, both of which are obviously non-existant.
Although I don't agree with the sentence in this case, I have had nothing but positive interactions with Judge Cannon. She has signed numerous search warrants for me at all hours of the night. She has also been seen at several benefits for officers and has purchased tickets even if she could not make it. She has been extremely cop friendly in the past.
Sorry but you are sorely mistaken. When a judge rules no PC he is saying that you had no probable cause to make the arrest and therefore the arrest was not legal, opening YOU up to a lawsuit every time he does so. You are correct that you can be sued for just about anything but these judges ruling no PC on cases where there's clearly PC are giving the lawyers some pretty heavy ammo to file a civil suit against you. And you can bet your ass that the judges won't be questioned or held accountable EVER. Lastly, I don't expect to be sued for doing my job properly nor is it indicated anywhere in our job description that being sued is part of our duties. I find it funny that the judges and state's attorneys are all immune to civil law suits but the police are not. Remember that the next time a State's Attorney tells you to kidnap and hold a witness against their will because they want to talk to them in person. The best thing you can do is protect yourself by not wasting time processing 1 baggers that you know are going to get tossed in court for no PC. How many of those bullshit arrests need to get tossed out every week before officers wake up and get the hint? We definitely have some very dense individuals on this job.
11/23/2013 08:32:00 AM
Actually you are only somewhat correct. When a judge rules NO PC they are not ruling that the arrest was illegal. They are ruling there is not enough evidence to "probably" support a finding of beyond a reasonable doubt if the case was to proceed. This is a huge difference from the arrest being ruled on as illegal.
Have to agree with previous poster. Judge Cannon was always on the Police side when she was an ASA many years ago. Pro-Police all the way. Witnessed many times.
Ticket the snot out of them in such a way that one of their peers has no ability to review and dismiss the tickets.
11/23/2013 04:28:0
yea sure..you first
@ 11/23/2013 08:32:00 AM
Actually you are only somewhat correct. When a judge rules NO PC they are not ruling that the arrest was illegal. They are ruling there is not enough evidence to "probably" support a finding of beyond a reasonable doubt if the case was to proceed. This is a huge difference from the arrest being ruled on as illegal.
11/24/2013 11:30:00 AM
Correct...Sort of.
An Illegal Arrest decision would be a judge making a statement that the Police Department committed a 4th, 5th or 6th Amendment Violation or Miranda Violation, Or even a 9th Amendment Violation.
Lack of PC is just Lack of PC in the Eyes of the Jurist.
PC:: noun:
sufficient reason based upon known facts to believe a crime has been committed or that certain property is connected with a crime. Probable cause must exist for a law enforcement officer to make an arrest without a warrant, search without a warrant, or seize property in the belief the items were evidence of a crime.
Technically, probable cause has to exist prior to arrest, search or seizure.
How bout that officer on the north side asking the dispatcher to call graffiti removal service .what in the world were you thinking . City service request and they will handle the issue . That was the most stupid thing I've heard over the radio .
11/22/2013 06:48:00 AM
You must only have a few months on the job. I have heard much worse on a daily basis for years.
Actually you are only somewhat correct. When a judge rules NO PC they are not ruling that the arrest was illegal. They are ruling there is not enough evidence to "probably" support a finding of beyond a reasonable doubt if the case was to proceed. This is a huge difference from the arrest being ruled on as illegal.
11/24/2013 11:30:00 AM
You are completely wrong. A preliminary or "probable cause" hearing is held for a judge to make a determination as to whether or not an officer actually had probable cause to make an arrest at the time of that arrest. When a judge rules a finding of no probable cause, it means exactly what it sounds like and that is that the officer did not have probable cause to make the arrest, hence the case gets dismissed.
11/22/2013 06:48:00 AM
You must only have a few months on the job. I have heard much worse on a daily basis for years.
11/24/2013 08:15:00 PM
Wait until they work a Sox or Cubs or Bulls or Bears or Blackhawk game and they have to listen to the TMA's.
11/22/2013 06:48:00 AM
You must only have a few months on the job. I have heard much worse on a daily basis for years.
11/24/2013 08:15:00 PM
Wait until they work a Sox or Cubs or Bulls or Bears or Blackhawk game and they have to listen to the TMA's.
11/25/2013 01:18:00 PM
This stiff is going to appalled when they start running the DL# of a certain K.K. in three weeks.
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