FOP Politics
Meeting yesterday:
- I am embarrassed to be in the FOP. The entire meeting was the personal fight between Shields and Dougherty. Dougherty explained how he was helping the vet get a doctors letter so he could come back full duty. The problem was Bill never addressed the issue over bringing politics into the conversation nor did he deny it. That's a problem. One of his minions went to the mic to actually say the letter was a sham. The problem is many of us know the officer and know the letter is true. Donahue made a motion and Bill was voted back into the field rep position. I don't believe Mike will let him back in. The problem is this feud is going to affect our representation. Every meeting from here on in will degenerate into a verbal altercation that last two hours without US the members getting any resolution to the important issues affecting us.
So it sounds like pretty much nothing was solved, everyone jockeys for position and different factions continue to wheel, deal, lie and posture.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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Mike's such a cry baby
How can a person who is on disability run for a the president of the FOP? Is there nothing in the bylaws about this? As an active member I want an active employee running the union.
This is not a retiree against an active member or a disability person against and active member issue. It's a serious issue that needs to be addressed.
Yeah for all you people that think by voting on a silly meaningless motion is going to fix the problems at the FOP you are dreaming.... You think it will get better in that building by putting Bill back, they will fight more now than ever and the ones that will suffer is us the MEMBERS!!!!!
How does Bill escape the mistakes, inefficiency and malfeasance at the Lodge, use your heads people, the city and Management & Labor affairs doesn't meet and settle stuff with Bill or Rich for a reason what makes you think they will if he wins the President race.
We have enough problems with Rahm and Mc Drunk and on top of it our unions are terrible. FOP is as bad as the politicians in IL. The shit that went down with the Sgts union speaks for itself. Lts union doesn't do much and the Capts union sold everyone out. Disgusting.
Bill has been on that Fop Board for 15 years he bears just as much responsibility for the fucked up way that organization is run, you think the Lodge stopped functioning when Fallon died, NO, he moved along, when Kunz was booted, no it functioned how about when someone retires from the police department, no it continues on, so don't be fooled into thinking the world is going to end if Bill isn't upstairs, he is still the 1st VP, just in 022
MLAS stopped meeting with Bill and Rich when the Commander is ripped on a daily basis it started under Mark D, you think the city will meet if Bill and the baby Donahue ticket are voted back in, he'll now.
OT: when quite a few of you P.O.s from 019 get sent to midnights, think about your fellow officers with a lot less time on the job such as yourselves who are "DETAILED" out working straight days with weekends off. They range from 35th st to the academy. Every night and weekend home with the family. They must be that special. And everybody knows who they are.
Wrong as usual. There was no motion to put Dougherty back in his position. Roberts rules of order. It can only be done in executive session. Sorry Bill-all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put humpty dumpty back together again. Enjoy 022 and get me a contact card bitch!!!!
Mike, do yourself a favor and just resign your position. You only have four months left, you are not going to be re elected and you'll save yourself the embarrassment of the crushing defeat that awaits you. For the betterment of ALL OF US, step down.
No offense, with all due respect, Fuck FOP.
This is what we get for not sticking together.
The sad story here is we are all going to suffer because these clowns can't play in the same sand box. Dougherty and Shields have to go.
How can the pension crisis or our contract negotiations possibly be addressed when the officers of our union are at each others throat? We are doomed.
Mike has to keep Dougherty at bay as Dougherty and Donahue are all about number one, and that isn't the FOP membership. They have and will sell out the membership at every opportunity. Mike finally is seeing through the BS artist that Dougherty has always been. Just like Obama is a serially unable to tell the truth, Dougherty and Donahue are serial sellouts. You wonder how competent Donahue is when the Alderman puts him on the Mount Greenwood Redevelopment Committee that essentially went broke.
I was at the meeting today also,let me say that that entire group on the stage should be removed. Self ambition self centered people only looking to benefit themselves. We need a fresh group of experience officers,with only the memberships interest as first priority !!!!
Bill went back to a beat car for a week and couldn't take it. This speaks volumes about Bills integrity.
1. The motion is not biding because the By-laws and contract give Mikey the right to do this. They take precedent. Mike got legal advise from the lodges legal attorneys before doing this.
2. For years Mark used Roberts rules of order to cut off debates today he used it to continue the meeting after there was already a motion to adjourn. They waited to do this after half of the members left the meeting. Like 10 years ago the rule of the mob was used just like Mark used it before.
3. Billy never apologized and admitted that he tried to fight the president on more than one occasion. Bill just f-ing apologize for Christ sake. It’s that f-ing hockey player mentality.
4. Jim Moriarty used the vets name in the open in violation of Hippa laws and tried to shame the vet to the mic. He later apologized and said he was on drugs. The officer’s case was discussed at executive session just for that reason to protect his identity. That’s three things that should/could be grounds for expulsion from the union for Moriarty. He’s out of control but does not care he’s retiring in December. He got in a heated agreement with a friend of the vet on that cheap shot as the meeting was ending.
5. Mark wants Mike to appoint a parliamentarian immediately. My guess is that he will pick one by the end of the week. One both sides should agree on. Of course Mark thinks he’s is smarter than anyone else and will block it. Did you know that when we brought charges up on Mark he twice used Billy to pick the committees. But It did not make a difference because he held a majority on the board. That’s why they tried to use mob rule today. Mike has the right and Billy does not have the votes on the board either thanks to JM.
6. The longest serving trustee gave a history lesson to the other 5 people this has happened to. Mark used one process when he was president and now want this president to use another process.
As the ballots are going out look for us to publish the real reason Capparelli (soprano's) was put of the office, lawsuits against Mark that were settled on the QT, and the reason Mark, Bella, Aguliar, and DiMaria belong in jail. We’ll do it weekly
Signed friends of Sean and Wayne back from the grave with NOTHING to lose.
How could we expect to get anything out of this city when we cant even get on the same page as a membership. We're gonna get fucked and we have no one to blame but ourselves. But hey those cool little field note books shields handed out at role call sure help.
I heard Frank DiMaria at the meeting today say he is running with Dougherty. WoooHooo let the good times roll three more years of the picnic, golf outing and the fishing tournament. Thank You Frank.
You nailed it Second City. I have been on the job for 24 years and I
Was embarrassed by the conduct I saw displayed today and for the last month in fact, all to the delight of that real Dictator on the 5th floor.
Shields told the membership that Dougherty challenged him to a fist fight twice in the FOP office! If that isn't insubordination I don't know what is, Bill didn't deny that he did it! I have always thought that Bill Dougherty did a good job up there in the FOP office and still do but Bill has got to control his temper.Bill was definitely the aggressor today. It should have been called "friends of Bill day" at the FOP today. Shields passed out several pieces of paper that quoted the chapter and verse that gives the President the right to have his choice of "field Reps"
Up in the office. The previous two administrations both did this and in the beginning of this administration I think I remember that Shields replaced Davis and Caparelli with McCarthy and Sal Del
RIVERA. I don't see what is different about Dougherty. He certainly has done more to warrant being replaced than either Davis or
Caparelli. Is it just because Dougherty has more friends, apparently so, it's the only difference I see. Today was an attempt at mob rule. This is the kind of building that has been reported at transfer meetings and has no place here. We are all Chicago Police Officers and they had better start acting like it.
I was not impressed today but it did make an impression on me that I will remember come election day.
Thanks Bill and Mark and the idiot
With his arm in a sling for making me embarrassed to say I am a Chicago Police Officer today.
Donahue and Dougherty just go away!! The two of you have gorged yourselves at the troff long enough. Maybe the alderman has some dry cleaning you can pick up or shoes to shine.
The FOP is no longer about representing the membership it is about them.
Its our fault we elected these clowns.
knowing Mike he will get scared and get a case report made just like he did when Danny Herbet talked to him. Bill look out?
This whole thing started with Bill Mike and Geiger not sending the letter. At the time it sounded like a good idea. As it played out and Mike and Geiger got beat by the city at the Labor Board Bill saw an opening to cut and run. He didn't expect Mike and Geiger to retaliate the way they did by throwing him out of the office. This is just child's play with the membership being hurt all the way.
97% of the people on CPD have never been to a meeting. Why is everyone concerned now???? Go back to making your 1 rock drop case arrest. You're making a big difference out there. Oh and by the way, you're losing your pension and you'll probably have difficulty in retirement but who cares.
The city's contract offer is a 5% pay raise, double our health care contribution, our pension is in shambles, retiree healthcare costs have gone up by 50% and all that is discussed at the union meeting is what Bill said to Mike and when Mike swore at Bill and who got put back in a district. The best part of this saga is we have not hit bottom yet. Donahue you must be proud.
To think how far this once great organization has fallen. If it was for the good of the members both Bill and Mike would resign. Then we could start the process of rebuilding.
Yep, sounds like Chicago politics
And I'm embarrassed to be on this job or part of this circus FOP anymore!
OK, had enough! "IF" BD fkd up and talked some politics in regards to the injured P/O tryin to get back to full duty, HE MADE A MISTAKE!
How many fkn "MISTAKES" has Mikey made since he's been in office? The money and benefits this snot nosed, sleeping with the city, politically connected punk has cost us is a HUNDRED TIMES the damage BD "MAY" have done! And there's still some dumb muther fkrs that back him?? Just goes to show you where this job is going!
Just to enlighten the hair gel idiots that are sayin that BD has been in office "too long", guess what morons, HE WAS ELECTED! I would take a guy with experience over some ROOKIE cop that never did SHIT on this job any day!
Maybe if you know it all "me generation" hair gels weren't so fkn busy hanging out in mommy's basement playing video games and actually knew what COLLECTIVE BARGAINING was, you might get it! But I doubt it, cuz you think you know everything the day you left mommy's tit!
Shields cant get elected dog catcher. That leaves Dougherty/Donahue vs. Angelo/Nolan/Dineen. When the smoke clears we lose. They are all in it for the money.
Sounds like CPD needs a new union.
Shields didn't send the city the letter. Dougherty played politics with a disabled veteran. In my opinion neither of them should run for anything.
Right now it looks like Dean Angelo by a nose.
Seriously, why doesn't Gorman, Del Rivero, Aguilar, DiMaria and Davis sit these two knuckleheads down and explain to them they work for us, for the good of the membership. If they can't resolve their differences then they should resign. Please guys do it for us!
Shields got ambushed by Donahue, and Dougherty at the meeting today. I am no fan of Mike, but these guys set him up to fail, which was evident at the meeting. Shields has made critical mistakes (given not putting in the retro letter), however the powers that be have thrown him under the bus.
Bill D. has baggage as well as the rest of the FOP candidates anounced for President thus far.
It is to early to bring out each candidates baggage.
However, let's do the right thing and give Mike the right to run the office, which he should have the right to do.
IL FOP President Ted Street attending a Chicago FOP meeting just seems improper, given he has always stated, "That Local Lodges should run their own business." He is desperate to win his election for state fop president!!! He sees Lodge 7 as that venue. Ted only limited members of Lodge No. 7 are coming to Metropolis, IL. to vote for you, which I guarantee will be split. Good Luck Ted, but if you put your hands in Donahue's basket reality is you are DONE. LOL. Good luck to the State Troopers.
FOP 7 should be treated like a bad Fraternity. The National should come in and shut Lodge 7 down.
Remember in 2002 when Dean Angelo and his brother in law Ralph Schoff were driving Blago around during his first campaign?
Hot off the press. Mike Shields has his team in place: its Mike, Dan Shields, Rick King, Bear, Denis Doherty, Bill Burns and Cantinflas. Bear has the only shot at winning.
LoL no Sad just keep paying our dues for what?
Decertify We need a Union
Great cat fights
Meanwhile....
The State pension funds are getting tens of millions from the JP Morgan lawsuit settlement for financial mismanagement,
What about the City's pension funds, are we getting any of those settlement dollars?
Is anyone in authority paying attention?
SAD TIMES.
girls will be girls.
Shields is out of control
Shields and Dougherty BOTH should resign for the betterment of the rank and file!
Reasons you ask
1. Shields for his stupidity!
2. Dougherty for bringing politics into FOP matters and extorting it's members for support!
Mikey needs to remove himself ASAP.
Wow do not be surprise on these losers!!!! They are useless bitches .
They can all jockey for what watch they want when they all get voted out.
Should have voted on the motion brought to the floor, and voted no confidence in Mike Shields. Dougherty should step down as well, but as usual it's about me me me. Self preservation is all these guys care about. Time for us to go to arbitration on our contract. We are now super weak and vulnerable.
Bill has every right to be in the office as a field rep. Mike is just jealous of Bill.
What if all the field reps disagree with the president over an issue can the president toss out all the field reps? If so then maybe we have to change the By-Laws.
A few funny moments when people were calling Mike a dictator, when Mike quoted Bill Nolan. When the motion was made to reinstate Bill Dougherty and Mike said I have a motion to adjourn. The only thing missing at the meeting were torches and pitchforks. Some funny shit.
Our union should be a reality show, Bill and Mike could give Pawn Stars a run for their money. Donahue could be Chumley.
Mike Shields is the biggest idiot on the job and that's saying a lot when your brother is Dan Shields. Dineen threw Nolan out of the office. Nolan threw Kunz out of the office. Donahue threw Capparelli out of the office. How is this any different? Dineen, Nolan and Donahue had more brains than Shields. Its special when Donahue stands up and tells Shields he is wrong when he did it himself. Oh I almost forgot Rick King threw Bear out....twice.
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Totally nuts and pathetic.
Actually SCC that's not what happened. You left out the part about Dougherty said if the officer was present he would gladly go into this issue more. Your right about FOP politics, but I disagree about Dougherty being the one in the wrong here. It was clear that the membership wanted him back in the office.
The poster who is featured is both right and wrong. While some of the meeting was a waste, the members did get something out of the meeting. They got Dougherty back. He is the most qualified person in that office when it comes to serving the members. His knowledge of medical issues is superior.
They also got a message sent to Shields that he is our President and not our King. He doesn't have absolute power. He has to consult with the Board of Directors before making a decision that could effect us all. If Shields heeds that message, the bullshit should stop. It's up to him.
Gorman and Aguilar both stayed away from the bullshit and gave out vital information.
So ii went to the general membership meeting of the FOP and a CAPS meeting broke out. I got to see Shields attempt to justify to the membership why he dumped Dougherty stating it was because Dougherty challenged him to a fight and because of a compliant letter from a vet about being asked who he was supporting for FOP president.. Then I got to see Shields acting like a dictator as he refused to call motions that were made to the floor, calling them illegal and stating they need to be made in executitive secession and then arguing that Roberts Rules of Order don't govern the conduct of the meeting, but rather the contract and our constitution and by laws .finally Shields agreed to split the room over a motion by past president Donahue that Dougherty be immediately restored to his field rep position until the matter could be decided at a board meeting. It passed by at least ninety percent of those in attendance, but Shields called in non binding and refused to restore Dougherty. The low point of the meeting came when one of the sgt at arms decided to name the officer that wrote the letter complaiining about Dougherty where everybody else was at least respecting the officers privacy...at least in public. It was a fun meeting but I was embarrassed to be an FOP member and cringe when I think of Shields even attempting to neogate a contract. When someone asked why we just don't go to arbitration now that we have the city's offer, we were told it would not be in the memberships best interest at this time. So there you have it. I would sum all of this up with Shields needs to go!
This infighting makes Rahm very happy.
Can't we get Chuck Canterbury involved from the FOP Grand Lodge in D.C.? They are the main body for the lodge and oversee everything. Are they aware that lodge 7 is in such a shambles, and how much of a disgrace they? Something needs to be done or another union is going to take over soon good, bad or indifferent.
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Vote Every elected member out!
Or decertify the FLOP!
Donahue looked like a manic retard to get his boy Doughrity back making 160k by making a spectacle of the FOP and its members. Working in 022 pushhing a Beat car sucks doesn't it Bill? Desperate people doing desperate things.
I was at the meeting too. I can honestly say after watching that most disgusting display, I am ashamed to call myself a Chicago Police Officer. We refer to some of the element we encounter as "savages." We had grown adults & police officers basically wrestling to get at a microphone. It was savage & pathetic. Not to mention we had a board member reveal the name of the officer who felt threatened by the 1st VP. His name had only been revealed in executive session. Disgusting!!!
The author of this e-mail seems to be telling one side of the story. While there may be arguments at FOP meetings most of them are started by Shields as he seems to be beating to a different drum then most of the membership. Shields did not have a good reason for dumping Dougherty out of the office. It was clear that Dougherty had the support of most of the membership at yesterday's meeting. Shields tried to end the meeting and not let the membership take a vote on a motion that came from the floor. It was clear that even though Shields has been up in the office for over two years, he still doesn't know what he is doing.
Anyone know if sl coached former mayor body guard to squeal on sgts in mass trans, just wondering
Ahhhh, Shitcago politics in the FLOP. Just what makes the ballerina happy. FOOLS.
Anyone hear anything about sgt. class? Heard academy was told to get ready for class this coming Monday, but there are still merit interviews next week. FOP said class of 97 at end of the month.
Is this really the best representation we have to offer. My vote is to wipe the slate clean and start over.
Rick, please stop posting. If you spent as much time looking for your dog as you do here, you might have found him.
Geez, lil' Mikey must have promised you the moon. You're hanging onto the Titanic like it's a life preserver. Keep holding on. It will be a pleasure to see you drown.
Seriously, why doesn't Gorman, Del Rivero, Aguilar, DiMaria and Davis sit these two knuckleheads down and explain to them they work for us, for the good of the membership. If they can't resolve their differences then they should resign. Please guys do it for us!
I think if you talk to any of those guys, they are all fed up with Mike's antics.
This meeting was the lowest point of my career as a police officer. At no point did anyone talk about pensions or the horrible contract offer we just received. We had to spend the whole meeting listing to guys running with Dougherty (donahue) on how he needs to get back in the office because he cant campaign from 111 and Western...and God forbid he has to work a beat car for more than 2 days.
Put the 5% offer to a vote , if we get retro pay . It'll pass easy , Need money for Christmas.
If Bill was a stand up guy, he would have refused to go back to the office and said he would be better served helping out the guys in 22 (must be nice) on the front lines due to the manpower shortage. Alas, he didn't and showed the membership that its all about himself. I especially love that he wore his uniform to the meeting although he was off.
All in all I think a retiree might be a better choice for President. Someone who ins't jockeying for a clout spot on the CPD when/if he retuens to duty.
Out past Presidents all seem to magically get really nice assignments when they return to duty. It's no accident! It's payback by a grateful city hall.
OT
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The officers who voted Shields in are not unlike the white "progressives" that put Obama and Rahm in power. You wanted change, you got it. How does it taste?
Did and current or former community activist / organizer address the new knock out hate crime game of blacks punching out white women or men .
no they will wait until concealed carry puts a deadly end to the game .
was there an incident that was on 24/7 , where a black youth almost killed a person by knocking his head on a sidewalk ?
Anonymous said...
Meanwhile....
The State pension funds are getting tens of millions from the JP Morgan lawsuit settlement for financial mismanagement,
What about the City's pension funds, are we getting any of those settlement dollars?
Is anyone in authority paying attention?
11/20/2013 04:34:00 AM
No. Go back to sleep....
zzzzzzzzz
Anonymous said...
Shields didn't send the city the letter. Dougherty played politics with a disabled veteran. In my opinion neither of them should run for anything.
11/20/2013 03:34:00 AM
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Thank you for you input Dean the Disabled.
To think how far this once great organization has fallen. If it was for the good of the members both Bill and Mike would resign. Then we could start the process of rebuilding.
11/20/2013 02:11:00 AM
Great? I don't ever recall it being great but I do recall it being a HELL of a lot better than it is now.
Anonymous said...
Meanwhile....
The State pension funds are getting tens of millions from the JP Morgan lawsuit settlement for financial mismanagement,
What about the City's pension funds, are we getting any of those settlement dollars?
Is anyone in authority paying attention?
11/20/2013 04:34:00 AM
If this is true, we should really make sure that our pension funds are looking into this. Every dollar helps!
oh yea, i feel real confident going into this next contract...
Anonymous said...
Remember in 2002 when Dean Angelo and his brother in law Ralph Schoff were driving Blago around during his first campaign?
11/20/2013 04:13:00 AM
Ralph? didn't he run next to Blago car for the entire length of the gay parade just to trying to look like the secret service. Ralph only has 19 brain cells. Most days their are sleeping too. But you will never see Billy Dougherty pick a fight with Ralph. Ralph will take him up on his offer.
Teamsters anyone?
wow, another reason to study your butt off for the sergeants test… to get out of that dreadful union
Anonymous Anonymous said...
MLAS stopped meeting with Bill and Rich when the Commander is ripped on a daily basis it started under Mark D, you think the city will meet if Bill and the baby Donahue ticket are voted back in, he'll now.
11/20/2013 12:35:00 AM
Right! We better start sucking up to that lying piece of shit commander, STAT!
Well you have Dougherty threatening to beat everyone up and violating Hippa laws by posting his response here. Just buy him a brown shirt now.
You got Mark Donahue trying to mentor his Boys From Brazil.
You got Kevin Graham reprising his roll as the Gimp from Pulp Fiction.
Sid Davis is an embarrassment to every member of he armed forces. Sid you lost you honor and your code.
Frankie Di Maria is an embarrassment to every member of the male species
Billy do you really think that you are going to get 50%+1 in a three-way race? Whoever is 3rd place is going to back the other guy. You have Zero chance even if you finish 1st in round 1.
Billy's conduct was calculated to get to this point. He knows that he can't win a runoff. It's sad he's going for the sympathy vote.
I am not a police officer but many of my family members are. I know in other trade unions the international reps have taken over in times of turmoil. This looks like a good time to me. You have board members being removed. A president that is failing in contract negotiations. And hasn't a lawyer been brought up on charges. Bring in outside reps, remove everyone and hold a new election after the new contract. Attack one problem at a time.
I heard Frank DiMaria at the meeting today say he is running with Dougherty..
I vote for reverend Meeks before I'd vote for these 2 sellouts!
Donahue, in attempt to do an end run around the Board of Directors, made an illegal and non -binding motion to re -instate Billy as field rep. Billy is no longer a field rep, and would have to be re- appointed by Shields, and the Board votes it up or down. Ain't gonna happen. Shields won't appoint him, and Billy doesn't have the votes to win. Billy and the citty wide gang, are finished.
Veteran 's please do not forget the injustice that Billy Dorghoerty did to one of our own. If we're not Vets ourselves Iam sure someone in a family had served along the way. Return the favor to Billy by not voting for a Anti American self serving individual !!!! Get rid of the entire Circus and replace with people that believe the Membership comes first. God Bless America !!!!
Mike has screwed up a lot and in turn has screwed all of us. He has made decisions he had no right to make like not sending in the letter and then deceiving the Board about it and selecting his own committee to hear charges filed against him. I was at the meeting yesterday and it was disgraceful but what seems to be missed about putting Bill back into his office is that the motion was to put him back until Mike removed him in the proper way. Bill was put in that field rep position by a vote of the Board and only the Board can reverse its decision but the dictator just doesn't get it. Mike has to learn to do things the right way and follow the rules instead of making them up as he goes along. So now the smear campaign will continue against those who disagree with Mike by his idiot brother and the dog whisperer. Now these same clowns are going to smear the State President who was at the meeting and said nothing. Tthose who spoke against the vote of no confidence in September really screwed up because the one who is truly deserving of it and has proved it several times since then is Mike.
Why do you keep electing crooks and crazies then? It doesn't sound to me like ANY of them have your best interest at heart but then why do they stay on that board for 15 years? Its like the people of Chicago? Like what, the voters can't see they are electing themselves on the road to being another Detroit?
The best shot at the meeting was at Aguilar when one copper at the mic said we all know how honest you are!
(Rich is known as Ag-u-liar).
The worst shot at the meeting was Jim Moriarty giving up the vets name in public.
After the meeting I have to say Mark Donahue does look like Field Marshal Herman Goering.
To anyone who has not gone to meetings over a regular basis yesterday was choreographed from start to finish. The mob sits until the meeting is over and half the people leave. if you were there yesterday when JM gave up the vets name was the response 90-10 percent or was it 50/50?
Who was the drunken Sgt they let go up to the mic three times?
Anonymous said...
Hot off the press. Mike Shields has his team in place: its Mike, Dan Shields, Rick King, Bear, Denis Doherty, Bill Burns and Cantinflas. Bear has the only shot at winning.
11/20/2013 04:23:00 AM
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Serious questions!
1. If Dougherty team is the ticket to be on why are people leaving to go on Angelo's and Shield's team?
2. Who else is running for president?
3. Are we going to see mob rule at all of the meetings now?
4. who are Wayne and Sean? Are they real people?
Don't even let me get started on Mike and Bill.
Shields has to make muzzistein stay home on meeting days. Those villagers outside the hall with torches rakes and shovels scare me.
Hey Bill your still on 222222222
Meanwhile..........Rahm watches, waits, and licks his chops from the shadows.
State President Ted Street sat through the entire meeting and never said a word. Hey Ted how about stopping this silliness or is it like everything at the FOP? All about your own re-election. It's time to decertify all under one banner PBPA.
Enough billy work a beat car for a week you can't take it? Your as involved as anyone else with the letter so billy you back doomed mike and got cut be a man resign give up that huge salary and the pension dip you will take!
Remember in 2002 when Dean Angelo and his brother in law Ralph Schoff were driving Blago around during his first campaign?
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Question on the floor based upon the above information....Are these two Richard Mell guys?....Does Richard Mell know these two? Have either of the two called or received phone calls from Richard Mells office, cell, or home? Has either been in Mexico at the same time as Richard Mell or stayed in the Mell Mexican Compound comp?
Serious questions, because our union PAC is compromised and we need answers to legitimate questions when intelligence is presented openly.
JM, in voiolation of the hippa laws, named the veteran who was the victim of intimidation, by Billy boy in front of everyone in attendance at yesterday's FOP meeting. This information was discussed in executive session, and was not to be disclosed. Harold Brown, was brought up on charges, and expelled from the FOP for the same offense. Someone needs to take action regarding JM. He is out of cotrol.
I'm thinking of running for SID DAVIS SPOT.
I know how to work a recorder.
I take notes when something important is said.
I love senior citizens.
I can order ice cream for picnics.
I think im worth 100k a year.
When is the FOP election? So we can vote some of these people out?
I was there for ten minutes and left. I get the unhappiness and the infighting, but the job is the job and it needs to get done. I come to the FOP meetings to find out about my pension and contract negotiations: the long extended "FU, no FU, no FU" crap is useless and counterproductive.
The point of the FOP is to represent members at City Hall, Springfield, IAD, IPRA, and the contract negotiating table. All I see is selfishness.
If this isn't fixed, members are the ones who will lose.
Even though he was excused from work yesterday, it was nice of Daugherty to show up for the FOP meeting, dressed in his shiny new police uniform. Maybe the members are supposed to feel sorry for Bill. Instead of looking like a working copper, Billy looked like the worlds' oldest recruit. ! Is Billy eligible for a dress right award ?
03:34AM, You are right. It started over that letter and the finger pointing began. Both should start looking for a district to go to.
How can a person who is on disability run for a the president of the FOP? Is there nothing in the bylaws about this? As an active member I want an active employee running the union.
This is not a retiree against an active member or a disability person against and active member issue. It's a serious issue that needs to be addressed.
11/20/2013 12:17:00 AM
Can an active retiree run the union? Especially one that used to be on duty disability?
Time for a change.
FOP TEAM Ted Street, Mark Donahue and Bill Dougherty strictly political. Their is no INTEGRITY and they are not trust worthy. They are not electable. All are PINNOCCHIOS
While Doherty/Donohue and Shields were playing politics and Deans 1st VP was getting into a cat fight with Morierity, the LEOs in Washington, Diamond, and Peoria were patrolling their streets while their homes lay in shambles. Not a word by our board, or any of Dougherty or Shields people who were glued to the microphone about how we can help our brothers and sisters down South. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. How about donating all the turkeys you gave away to them. That is what a Fraternal Organization is all about.
Amen !!!!!!!!!!
11/20/2013 02:52:00 AM
ok i had enough will i be able to attend enough meeting so i can run for president. no slate of running mates just me to give rahm hell. if i can i will be at the next meeting. and all the information about me will be conducted on this site
The list is out; 100 police officers are getting promoted to the rank of Sergeant, in December. This is the last class from the current list. The Brass realized that we are short and that it is not a good idea to wait until the next test. Congratulations to those who made it.
Goddam it! I’m sick of this shit! These self-serving assholes running our union are just as bad Rham and McCarthy. These guys don’t give a shit about us, our families, our pension. Everyone down there is in it for themselves, this is clearer now than ever! This Bill vs. Mike bullshit would be inappropriate at anytime, but especially now during contract negations with this shrewd asshole mayor. I have lost all confidence in this union and do not trust them to negotiate this contract in good faith. We should demand we go to arbitration now. Forgive me I’m just a simple patrolman, does anyone know how we push these assholes into arbitration? Is that something we can vote on?
Why doesn't the 019th dist sgt who keeps blogging have the balls to say something to the person's face? Mind your own business and stop worrying about everyone else. Is anyone calling you out as a meritorious sgt? STFU already!
Anonymous said...
97% of the people on CPD have never been to a meeting. Why is everyone concerned now???? Go back to making your 1 rock drop case arrest. You're making a big difference out there. Oh and by the way, you're losing your pension and you'll probably have difficulty in retirement but who cares.
11/20/2013 01:46:00 AM
But if you go to a meeting with a bunch of meatheads yelling at each other, everything will get better and you'll have all the pension money you want.
I've been embarrassed to be in the FOP for decades. They've been in bed with City Hall forever.
The Pension Crisis is a contrived scheme by the Democrat Party to steal from retirees, and give the stolen money to themselves, and to Entitlement Spending, to buy moe votes. It's Communist Re-Distribution of Wealth, plain and simple. All those that say all Democrats are Communists are correct.
Just keep paying Donahue that 70,000 a year out of your union dues so he can go down to Springfield and remind people how relevant he thinks he still is.
Have the crime lab standing by for the FOP Christmas party. Certain to be workplace violence. Wrap your toys in Kevlar.
Hit off the press Bear is running with Dougherty. We'll maybe he's running away from Rick King.
Whatever the case is, I'm not voting for one single incumbent in FLOP and neither should anyone else.
(OT) was over at my cousins house today and at about 1450 hours a m/1 comes to the door and asks to see the house thermostat, he was dressed in a bullshit vest and had a bullshit card on his neck, wife was home she got nervous as she heard the asshole trying to get in to look. My brother is CPD and I am a trooper, so brother decides to call 911, turned on my radio call was dispatched to beat 8-- as per dispatch beat 811 was on something, now we are watching as m/1meets up with m/4 and they are skipping houses walking south on 811's beat and waiting waiting for beat car, then the 2 get into a vehicle brother calls back and gives car information plate etc, still waiting about an hour job is coded out by beat 8-- both guys still walking but they split up after noticing we were watching. No not giving the beat or coppers names from pcad, just to say wow! Off duty legit call gets treated like this! I give so many coppers breaks on the expressway and tollways, and if I get a call and copper needs assist or calls on or off duty it's a priority! Did not want to get in to off duty situation, hopefully when the coppers call for something when they are off duty the coppers show up! I know many coppers assigned to the school bullshit, but sorry nothing more to say except thought coppers were all family!
Anonymous said...
Donahue looked like a manic retard to get his boy Doughrity back making 160k by making a spectacle of the FOP and its members. Working in 022 pushhing a Beat car sucks doesn't it Bill? Desperate people doing desperate things.
11/20/2013 07:50:00 AM
Donahue getting pension of $140,000 plus another $75,000 from fop his buddy Doherty got him what did you expect if Doherty is in 22 where he should be Donahue loses $75,000! Btw what lobbying has donohue done for us? Any news markie?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Hot off the press. Mike Shields has his team in place: its Mike, Dan Shields, Rick King, Bear, Denis Doherty, Bill Burns and Cantinflas. Bear has the only shot at winning.
11/20/2013 04:23:
Doherty? Are you kidding? The disability king! That guy! The guy who was on the mayors detail good friend of ex mayor Daley and his family! The guy who now lives in Bridgeport that Doherty? Can't be! Or can it? Great shields now you have another under your wing "can you keep a secret"?
The meeting was a shambles fron start to finish. The hall was packed with Mt Greenwood hillbillies who came for the free beer, and to support their leader Billy. Billy showed up in his brand new police uniform, and appeared ready to go trick or treating. The Hedgehog, was running around as always, shouting about Robert's Rules of Order. Mary Mark spoke for ten minutes a out what a great guy he is, and what a mentor he is to Shields. Does Mark's arm ever get tired from patting himself on the back? Ted Street was brought from Springfield by the Hedgehog to be the ringmaster, but Ted just sat with a dumbfounded look on his face, and remained silent. The lads from Mt Greenwood , showed Ted how a true hillbilly acts, so , at least Ted didn't completely waste his time. He got a lesson in how to act like a Billy, from Billy.
Englewood fighting back concealed carry hurry up love this story bravo to the homeowner but would be better if it was 2 kills would save taxpayers more money!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-2-robbers-injured-fleeing-gunwielding-homeowner-20131120,0,6909044.story
At what point or how do we go about having the State Lodge step in?
Anonymous said...
Remember in 2002 when Dean Angelo and his brother in law Ralph Schoff were driving Blago around during his first campaign?
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Question on the floor based upon the above information....Are these two Richard Mell guys?....Does Richard Mell know these two? Have either of the two called or received phone calls from Richard Mells office, cell, or home? Has either been in Mexico at the same time as Richard Mell or stayed in the Mell Mexican Compound comp?
Serious questions, because our union PAC is compromised and we need answers to legitimate questions when intelligence is presented openly.
11/20/2013 11:31:00 AM
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Of course they are Mell's guys. Ask Ralph yourself, he will be happy to tell you that Mell put him on the Govenor's detail. Ralph was assigned mostly to Patty Blogo.
D. A., he will deny everything. He has no balls.
He was a scam artist when he was with the FOP, then when he was voted out, he hit the medical IOD, then duty disability, then retirement.
He is a full time professor at Cal College. How much time will he devote to the rank and file?
Vote all incumbents out.
Vote for new blood, new ideas.
Why would you want some old has been, that hasn't been involved in any kind of police work for year as your president?
And, can he actually run for president of the FOP?
the members did get something out of the meeting. They got Dougherty back. He is the most qualified person in that office when it comes to serving the members. His knowledge of medical issues is superior.
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You would be a subject matter expert too if you had been at the same job for the past 14 years!
He and all those incumbents have got to go.
Dear Ted Street,
There is an old saying that when you lay down with dogs you will get fleas. As you know Kevin Graham came to our board meeting and requested to be slated for 1st vice president of the state lodge. Two other members also did. Kevin finished third in the voting and requested that his name be withdrawn and promised to fully support our candidate for the state lodge election.
Was Kevin’s word honored? No. He went to the convention and ran for office and embarrassed Lodge 7.
As you well know he told the troopers HE was bringing over 200 CPD to the state convention as retribution for picking Metropolis. And I know all of the above to be fact as do you Ted.
Someone posted here that Bill Dougherty promised to bring 300. That is probably bullshit. But Bill will say that he will support you if he can somehow figure how to get 50%+1.
Fast forward to this morning Ted and what Kevin Graham said in the coffee shop? If we bring 200 CPD to Metropolis I’ll be the next State Lodge President not Ted.
So Ted when you make your bed with dogs you will get fleas.
I was totally disgusted by yesterday’s flash mob at the general meeting. I’m done drinking the Kool Aid.
A former member of the CityWide Team.
PS print this post and read it put it away for a day and read it again. Then ask yourself is it true. You know the answer already.
FOP is like a train wreck
FOP=Fools of Politics
FOP is a embarrassment to all city unions and Rahm is loving it.
How does Bill escape the mistakes, inefficiency and malfeasance at the Lodge, use your heads people, the city and Management & Labor affairs doesn't meet and settle stuff with Bill or Rich for a reason what makes you think they will if he wins the President race..................
What makes you think Dean will??
Right Dean
Mike Shields is the biggest idiot on the job and that's saying a lot when your brother is Dan Shields. Dineen threw Nolan out of the office. Nolan threw Kunz out of the office. Donahue threw Capparelli out of the office. How is this any different? Dineen, Nolan and Donahue had more brains than Shields. Its special when Donahue stands up and tells Shields he is wrong when he did it himself. Oh I almost forgot Rick King threw Bear out....twice.
LMFAO!!!! Ha ha I spit my good out at the tilted kilt!!!
Shields got ambushed by Donahue, and Dougherty at the meeting today. I am no fan of Mike, but these guys set him up to fail, which was evident at the meeting. Shields has made critical mistakes (given not putting in the retro letter), however the powers that be have thrown him under the bus.
Better wake up the membership is fed up with Shields
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
MLAS stopped meeting with Bill and Rich when the Commander is ripped on a daily basis it started under Mark D, you think the city will meet if Bill and the baby Donahue ticket are voted back in, he'll now.
11/20/2013 12:35:00 AM
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Add in the bitch running Human Resources. Mark said at the mic that we win 80% of the grievances. That's true but 90% of our stuff has to go to arbitration because Billy and Ag-u-liar have posted so much stuff in the news letter that every tiny little issue is a fight. They have become part of the problem. City Hall will always be a problem along with dickhead boss's.
But Billy knows how to take care of himself. He got his wife a job in the credit union. Any of your wives get a job there?
The ghost of Sean and Wayne back from the grave with NOTHING to lose.
Can we still have an FOP picnic?
Mark(the annointed one) Donahue. You have made a mockery of everything that the F O P has accomplished since the 80's. You shoukd be ashamed of yourself.
"JM, in voiolation of the hippa laws, named the veteran who was the victim of intimidation,"
If you knew the law and what you were talking about you would know there was no violation. And its HIPAA. Idiot.
What kind of pizza do they serve at the FOP meetings these days?
To the coppers in 019 going to 1st watch. What is the P.O. detailed to the academy going teach recruits. How in UNDER 10 YEARS to go from desk officer, DARE officer, to review, timekeeper, tac secretary, secretary at deputy chief's office, to COMPSTAT, and ultimately the academy. And all of those assignments are straight days with weekends off!
Dear Dean Angelo team you guys are just blogging away about Shields and Bill and get rid of everyone just wondering if that should include Junior who never has time to contribute to the organization as he feels he should not use any comp time however does not hesitate on taking his monthly check.
The biggest mistake you made was extorting an officer who is a vet an seeking to stay on the job. You need to realize how this letter can jeopardized his future. As much as people want to point their finger at Shields for this action I have major doubts, it is quite obvious that you are playing monkey in the middle and playing one against the other.
Can you tell the membership why you guys voted with Shields again yesterday at the general meeting?
And how Ray jumped up to defend this officer? They are partners correct? The membership would appreciate the officer appearing at one of the meetings and please explain himself, I say using him to politicize is ugly and disgraceful. We know why it was done but not in best taste for anyone.
Anonymous said...
Put the 5% offer to a vote , if we get retro pay . It'll pass easy , Need money for Christmas.
Fuck you and your Christmas asshole.
Unfucken believable!
Anonymous said...
If Bill was a stand up guy, he would have refused to go back to the office and said he would be better served helping out the guys in 22 (must be nice) on the front lines due to the manpower shortage. Alas, he didn't and showed the membership that its all about himself. I especially love that he wore his uniform to the meeting although he was off.
11/20/2013 09:35:00 AM
what a phony POS!
Don't just run Mike and Bill out of the union, run them off the job.
The problem with Deans team is they are full of Sh&@ they can't answer questions on contract or pension. They just make sh&@ up and when you call them on it they have no answers. We don't need another set of morons in office. When Dean comes out just say no.
Hey Bill is a beat car that bad. We don't have the option of leaving
To all those who say the FOP President has to be a patrolman,wake up! We are getting over three years of being led by a patrolman, I don't know if we can recover. The only qualification of the next president is that he be competent and have our best interests at heart. Period.
To all the Dougherty fans out there you need to know that the disabled vet is not the first copper that Bill has screwed over. The real Bill Dougherty when he is in his office he is playing video poker on his computer and his secretary Jessica handles all the work. If you think it's bull Mike just needs to take his computer and have a geek look at the history. The computer doesn't lie.
Donahue put on a great show at the union meeting. He had to, he is protecting his $83,0000 a year on top of his pension, remember it's all about us lowly dues payers.
The state lodge just sent me a calendar in the mail seeking donations. I didn't send a donation but I did keep the calendar. I'm using it for counting down the exit of the entire FOP Chicago staff.
I don't know who is a qualified candidate for FOP president and I don't know if there is an honorable one out there either...I am sad to admit that fact. How these people make so much money off my your ours money is shameful .... Really, these people ALL have to go. I have no confidence in this orginazation. I am considering becoming a fair share!
Shields does not want to settle contract before the FOP election because he will definitely not get re elected then. He has wanted to drag the contract talks as long as possible because he wants another term as President
Three people have destroyed decades of good work done by the fop. Dougherty, geiger, shields. Three names that should never be mentioned again by anyone.
fucking fop what do they know.what you need are coppers real coppers who have been there n wrongly persecuted and slandered/guys who can relate to ur problems and fight for you.what we need is a set standard of discipline so those w no clout can be spared from lighter matters, fuck if you break the law or test positive u should be gone after a full investigation/no one knows what it is like to sit at call back for 5 yrs plus waiting for the sword to fall n ur union does nothing/ why not a special fund to help our brothers in these minor cases that lead to firing n huge suspensions/why not set those brothers up w some good jobs you know the union has connections to help/its degrading to sit for years n years waiting for some boss to fire u n ur life n career are ruined/thanks fop/knew we could count on you wait til it happens to you/yea right not w ur clout
The list is out; 100 police officers are getting promoted to the rank of Sergeant, in December. This is the last class from the current list. The Brass realized that we are short and that it is not a good idea to wait until the next test. Congratulations to those who made it.
11/20/2013 02:06:00 PM
Where is this magic list?
What's up with the new 2014 FOP handbook? Shields on the cover!? What a tool.
Fields reps serve at the pleasure of the FOP president. Shields does not need approval from the Board of Directors, to oust Dougherty. Dougherty can be returned to the position of Field rep, only if he is selected by Shields, and it is approved by the board. The dog and pony show put on by Donahue at yesterday's board meeting, was disgraceful, and is certainly not binding on either Shields or the Board. As Donahue knows, the FOP is run by the Board of Directors, not a flash mob at a general meeting. Desperate people, do desperate things. Dougherty is finished, and so is Mark.
Shields does not want to settle contract before the FOP election because he will definitely not get re elected then. He has wanted to drag the contract talks as long as possible because he wants another term as President
11/20/2013 09:05:00 PM
The Shields brothers are without honor, integrity or a hard work ethic. Both brothers do have good appetites. How the hell did you guys elect dumb and dumber. I cannot believe this is the same Chicago Police Department that I retired from. Have you blue shirts list you're mind electing this clown. Get rid of their asses. I couldn't believe that FOP meeting. SCC thank you for all you do. 5 percent? SCC organize a march on city hall. FOP is useless. Blue shirts pick a day and rally at city hall. McCarthy and Rham are ten times evil then Weis was. Where is the Vote of no confidence? Shame on us.
fk rahm, fk mike, fk gmac, fk bill, fk the knobs on this dept and fk this city and state. January 27th and im retiring! nice little three bedroom house purchased from a short sale in 2009 down in siesta key florida ready to go and my house in chicago was sold last month and we bought our little one bedroom loft in the south loop for when we come back in town to see the kids and friends. wife retiring in may and lets start livin! 28 years on and I hit 50 years old on December 2nd. Good luck to you all but im outta here!!! Keep this job and your politics, Ill be having a glass of wine on my upstairs balcony having a glass of wine watching the florida sunsets over the gulf with the wife.
Shields screwed up the pension board when he ruled that only cook county sheriffs who crossed over to cpd can buy onto the chicago pension for only 5,000.00 a year but cha coppers have to sue in order to have the rights that were afforded to them when they were first hired. Shields should be investigated and prosecuted.
Billy D has the respect and support from many of his loyal friends. Wishing and hoping you soon return. Your buds; 008, 009, 610, 620, and many more...
Dougherty looked better in his uniform yesterday,then he does in those cheap JC Penney suits, that he usually wears. Get used to the blue Billy boy, your days of wine and roses are over.
Angelo will sell you out for something for his kid, or anything else, come to think of it. He sold out before when he was on the Nolan team. He and Schauf are a great tag-team. Ralph always was political. Both are in it for what they can get. Don't trust Dean as far as you can throw him.
Three people have destroyed decades of good work done by the fop. Dougherty, geiger, shields. Three names that should never be mentioned again by anyone.
11/20/2013 09:06:00 PM
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Hey! You broke the rules and it slipped by scc you said Geiger. We can't say Geiger in this site it's a rule. If you break the rule and say Paul Geiger your comment can't be posted. Your lucky you got away with saying Geiger because I heard Paul Geiger gets really mad when he reads his name on this blog, so please, no more rule breaking by saying the name Geiger. We aren't suppose to ever speak the word Geiger. Ok? Get it? ............. Geiger
Anonymous said...
Shields screwed up the pension board when he ruled that only cook county sheriffs who crossed over to cpd can buy onto the chicago pension for only 5,000.00 a year but cha coppers have to sue in order to have the rights that were afforded to them when they were first hired. Shields should be investigated and prosecuted.
11/20/2013 11:13:00 PM
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There are 8 votes on the pension board and he was only one of them. The Sgt's, Capts & Lts. and retirees plus four from the city.
In the beginning the CHA hired a lot of trash - people we fired or could not pass the back round check, etc. - if you were one of the later hires that where the higher standards then you got screwed because of all of the political hires before you.
435pm - I think I saw who you were talking about. They were around 52/Narragansett. They looked like they were a part of that/those bs companies trying to get you to switch over to their gas utilities.
Moriarty is a stooge and should be removed for his ignorance. As Sgt at Arms, his job is to watch the door and make sure everyone signs in at the meetings... not write articles for the newsletter. Sorry Jim no one cares to hear your opinion on anything.
@ 11/20/2013 11:05:00 PM
Congratulations brother, well done!
Live and enjoy the rest of your life!
But remember... The public hates you because in their eyes, 50 is "too young" for a mere "public servant" to retire. Regardless of the grief, horror, aggravation and ugliness you've seen...
They'll be mad because they desperately want Policemen at death's door when they retire. That way they feel vindicated in that they somehow got their "money's worth" and you didn't "cheat" them by retiring "too young" even though the same people who are age peers blithely ignore the fact that they outlive Policemen by 15 years or more...
That's why we endure the shit-talk about "Cush $100K pensions, retirement at 50, another job while getting a pension, second homes and sweet vacations to nice places while we have to work until we're 70."
"We hope they bust your union and bust you guys pensions so you'll be just like us!"
These same people pointed and laughed at us during the boom-time 90's... Remember?
"You dumb-ass Coppers getting shit on for $50K and a peon pension... WE clear $100K+, WE have $500K in our 401K. WE have a 3500 s/f condo while you bozos cry in your 1200 s/f shacks in Dunning and Mt. Greenwood. WE have 3 cars less than 3 years old and we take nice trips every year while you chump Coppers work your side jobs for $20 an hour... HAH! Sucks to be YOU, doesn't it Cop?"
Now? People are driven insane with hatred and bitter envy because it looks like "the big, dumb-ass, brutal, racist, old and lazy Cops" are retiring "too young" and escaping this shit-hole city.
*You guys need to stay here and be miserable with us! Who said YOU fucking guys could get away?*
Happy Retirement and may you laugh your ass off everyday at these miserable, hateful people who deserve to be left at the tender mercies of what's climbing over the stockade walls.
Every Copper, Fireman and other muni employee SHOULD flee and take every nickel they earned with them...
Oh... People might get mad and cheer for legislation that attaches a "fee" or assesses a "penalty" for the "lazy union members" retiring, fleeing and taking their hard earned treasure out of the city/state.
The only time you see DiMaria crawl out from under his shell is after a police shooting. He's nice enough to stop by the area and drop off a few pizzas for the boys and waive his little hat. Little return for the salary he pulls down for a do nothing job.
I am considering becoming a fair share!
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Don' be stupid. There are only 3 fair share members. Legal defense, representation at shootings, arbitrations, IPRA interviews.............
Vote how you want but Mike he was the only one that thought outside of the box since lodge 7 started. The best detective and captain that ever investigated police shootings work for us on a hourly fee basis now. And how many times did you hear the investigation is under review when the city's press secretary gave the news conference. Mike hired Pat Camden also on an hourly basis too. Now the reporters don't go the city people for a quote they come to us. Believe me from someone who was sued in Federal Court that is the best money you will ever spend.
Mike Shields had nothing to do with this decision. A county deputy named Rosario sued and won. This allowed the county deputies to buy back their time at a lower rate than other agencies officers under the pension portability statutes. It's all stated in the law on the pension board website. Former CC/Retired CPD.
I'll bet Ted Street was real happy he came to Lodge #7's meeting. He was said to have issued an opinion that Donahue sort of touted but by his own admission had not read the
Chicago Police Contract which under 17.2 clearly states that the President of Lodge 7 has a right to dismiss Field Reps. and even specifys who the President must send the letter to on the Department to remove a Rep. It would be hard to be any clearer. I am asshamed at the farce that Bill and Mark put on at the meeting with their paid (beer) mob to save Saint Billy from the gallows. I really felt sorry for Bill prior to that meeting and could see giving him another chance but No Way after that specticle. No the SS Dougherty is going down by the bow fast. How stupid of Bill to start all this shit. I am thinking of bringing my own mob next time and getting a resolution passed making me some kind of officer down there with a big salary. I'll bet Mark would find that to be an illegal motion . No wonder Ted Street slipped out the side door
before the end of the meeting, can you blame him? I'll bet he was mumbling to himself all the way back to Springfield, " what did those two assholes get me involved in".
This blog is monitored by Rahm's Peeps, we all know that. If some1 was simply perusing this blog it would be abundantly clear that F.O.P. Lodge 7 is in crisis and even more scarily it's far too apparent that Chicago Police Officers aren't remotely close to being close. Close in terms of so many issues that aren't agreed upon.
I have roughly 10 years on the job(just north) and the most clear issue I can see is the City may B able to simply make fools of us during contract time. This post alone shows constant and petty infighting. We HAVE to get our shit together! Playing devil's advocate it seems the City will come out so far ahead it's simply not funny at all!
Please, Indians and Chiefs, it's not as hard as it seems. One Beatle's Tune comes to mind
"Come Together" and as the man suggested in the song, do it right now!
The reason that this FOP Board has evolved from taking up the issues confronting the members wages, working conditions and contractual rights, to this unnecessary side show of internal conflict is that the newly elected President, Mike Shields, did not implement a very important appointment contained in Article III, Section 1 (c), of the FOP Lodge 7 By-Laws, “He or she shall appoint a parliamentarian” notice it says shall and not may. He is directed by the By-Laws to appoint the parliamentarian and it is one of the few instances where the President is allowed to solely make an appointment without the advice and consent of the Board of Directors. This appointment should have been the new Presidents first official action prior to any officer’s reports being given. There is a very valid reason for this appointment and that is because FOP Chicago Lodge 7 has adopted Roberts Rules of Order to govern all meetings of the lodge and where the Constitution and By-Laws are silent on an issue Roberts Rules of Order shall govern the issue. The president, by not appointing a parliamentarian, has allowed this Board of Directors to be ruled by a Dictator without any regard for the rules that govern the conduct and proceedings of any assembled meeting. A direct quote from Roberts Rules of Order: “Parliamentary procedures are the
rules that help us maintain order and ensure fairness in all decision-making processes. Robert’s Rules of Order is one man’s presentation and discussion of parliamentary procedure that has become the leading authority in most
organizations today”. “In a democratic society, we hold dear many principles of
conduct and self-government. When people come together in their organizations and governments to conduct business, certain rules, referred to collectively as parliamentary procedure, must be applied correctly to maintain these democratic
principles. Organization members commonly make two mistakes: They do not know parliamentary procedure at all, and/or they misapply it because they don’t understand the underlying democratic principles or they want to manipulate them. These mistakes invariably lead to confusion and, in the worst cases, can result in intimidation and the loss of members’ rights.
For a democracy to succeed, the members must work harmoniously together. To accomplish this, each member must know the purpose and goals of the organization, its rules, the rights of each individual member, and what each member is expected to do. One of the greatest threats to a democratic organization is for the members to become apathetic and let a small group of the membership do all the work. This creates divisions and promotes authoritarianism. Another threat is for a small group to work secretly behind the scenes to accomplish its own goals or its own agenda and then push it through without the rest of the membership having an input either through discussion or through the investigative process. Such actions cause mistrust and hostility.
If the principles of democracy are not upheld in the organization, knowing and following the rules of parliamentary procedure is valueless.
Anonymous said...
To the coppers in 019 going to 1st watch. What is the P.O. detailed to the academy going teach recruits. How in UNDER 10 YEARS to go from desk officer, DARE officer, to review, timekeeper, tac secretary, secretary at deputy chief's office, to COMPSTAT, and ultimately the academy. And all of those assignments are straight days with weekends off!
11/20/2013 07:14:00 PM
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Don't you know that MOST officers that work at the Academy fit that description?
Most have never worked a hard day in their careers. That is why they go to the Academy, to tell other peoples war stories to recruits!
Anonymous said...
(OT) was over at my cousins house today and at about 1450 hours a m/1 comes to the door and asks to see the house thermostat, he was dressed in a bullshit vest and had a bullshit card on his neck, wife was home she got nervous as she heard the asshole trying to get in to look. My brother is CPD and I am a trooper, so brother decides to call 911, turned on my radio call was dispatched to beat 8-- as per dispatch beat 811 was on something, now we are watching as m/1meets up with m/4 and they are skipping houses walking south on 811's beat and waiting waiting for beat car, then the 2 get into a vehicle brother calls back and gives car information plate etc, still waiting about an hour job is coded out by beat 8-- both guys still walking but they split up after noticing we were watching. No not giving the beat or coppers names from pcad, just to say wow! Off duty legit call gets treated like this! I give so many coppers breaks on the expressway and tollways, and if I get a call and copper needs assist or calls on or off duty it's a priority! Did not want to get in to off duty situation, hopefully when the coppers call for something when they are off duty the coppers show up! I know many coppers assigned to the school bullshit, but sorry nothing more to say except thought coppers were all family!
11/20/2013 04:35:00 PM
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These mf -er's are walking all over the westend of 008 on a daily basis. Trying to convince poeple to let them into their homes to check their gas bills, check thier furnaces, check their water hookups, etc.
Hard to get the police to respond on the westend of 008 when you have two beat cars (811/812)patrolling such a large area.
Go to the beat meetings, call the district, call the aldermen, complain, complain, complain.
Also, there are several FB pages of neighbors that are keeping an eye on the hood too. Join up and you will see.
Shields screwed up the pension board when he ruled that only cook county sheriffs who crossed over to cpd can buy onto the chicago pension for only 5,000.00 a year but cha coppers have to sue in order to have the rights that were afforded to them when they were first hired. Shields should be investigated and prosecuted
...POs on Military Leave of Absence CAN NOT pay into their pension but politicians and Ray Hamilton CAN
Really???
Dean Angelo.......love your tactics on using the PO, who is attempting to keep his full time position with the dept, as your stepping stone into 200,000 a year job you couldn't touch when you were actually a working, walking police officer.
If anyone knows how to scam the system you are the person to talk to.
Anonymous said...
Shields screwed up the pension board when he ruled that only cook county sheriffs who crossed over to cpd can buy onto the chicago pension for only 5,000.00 a year but cha coppers have to sue in order to have the rights that were afforded to them when they were first hired. Shields should be investigated and prosecuted
...POs on Military Leave of Absence CAN NOT pay into their pension but politicians and Ray Hamilton CAN
Really???
11/21/2013 04:33:00 AM
Shields does not run the pension board you goof.
He has one vote.
For a democracy to succeed, the members must work harmoniously together
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This is the dumbest comment ever written in the history of the world.
Anonymous said...
The reason that this FOP Board has evolved from taking up the issues confronting the members wages, working conditions and contractual rights, to this unnecessary side show of internal conflict is that the newly elected President, Mike Shields, did not implement a very important appointment contained in Article III, Section 1 (c), of the FOP Lodge 7 By-Laws, “He or she shall appoint a parliamentarian” notice it says shall and not may. He is directed by the By-Laws to appoint the parliamentarian and it is one of the few instances where the President is allowed to solely make an appointment without the advice and consent of the Board of Directors. This appointment should have been the new Presidents first official action prior to any officer’s reports being given. There is a very valid reason for this appointment and that is because FOP Chicago Lodge 7 has adopted Roberts Rules of Order to govern all meetings of the lodge and where the Constitution and By-Laws are silent on an issue Roberts Rules of Order shall govern the issue. The president, by not appointing a parliamentarian, has allowed this Board of Directors to be ruled by a Dictator without any regard for the rules that govern the conduct and proceedings of any assembled meeting. A direct quote from Roberts Rules of Order: “Parliamentary procedures are the
rules that help us maintain order and ensure fairness in all decision-making processes. Robert’s Rules of Order is one man’s presentation and discussion of parliamentary procedure that has become the leading authority in most
organizations today”. “In a democratic society, we hold dear many principles of
conduct and self-government. When people come together in their organizations and governments to conduct business, certain rules, referred to collectively as parliamentary procedure, must be applied correctly to maintain these democratic
principles. Organization members commonly make two mistakes: They do not know parliamentary procedure at all, and/or they misapply it because they don’t understand the underlying democratic principles or they want to manipulate them. These mistakes invariably lead to confusion and, in the worst cases, can result in intimidation and the loss of members’ rights.
11/21/2013 02:15:00 AM
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Thanks for you input Mark. I called the hall and asked if I could have the job and was told it was now filled. Stevie Wonder has it and he said you still are wrong. He said he could see right thru you.
Signed the ghosts of Sean and Wayne with NOTHING to lose.
There is no way anyone should vote for Dean or Jr. Junior is a complete hot mess. He had to leave first watch in 014, because nobody wants to work with him! So he crystal to the commander and the gets put on some secret team in the district. This clown is softer then baby shit.
Anonymous said...
435pm - I think I saw who you were talking about. They were around 52/Narragansett. They looked like they were a part of that/those bs companies trying to get you to switch over to their gas utilities.
11/21/2013 12:32:00 AM
I noticed them also and called talked to a Chicago officer he told me all the patrol assets were taking care of the non taxpayers on the east side of district. That commander needs to be thrown out for this, I called alderman Burke and zalewski to vent just got lip service I did see 2 neighbors following these scumbags around and I wrote down plate these guy were in r605696 it was a faded yellow Nissan with a black hood in case officers want to know there were 2 guys 1 black and the other Mexican. Both looked like thugs wonder if they are criminals that police arrested? Thanks for all you officers do lived in my house 58 years keep the area safe your all the best
Let the retirees run for office, no pay just all the perks these goofs get, that alone would bring forth a shit load of candidates. Put my money that they would do a much better job. Too bad it can't be.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
(OT) was over at my cousins house today and at about 1450 hours a m/1 comes to the door and asks to see the house thermostat, he was dressed in a bullshit vest and had a bullshit card on his neck, wife was home she got nervous as she heard the asshole trying to get in to look. My brother is CPD and I am a trooper, so brother decides to call 911, turned on my radio call was dispatched to beat 8-- as per dispatch beat 811 was on something, now we are watching as m/1meets up with m/4 and they are skipping houses walking south on 811's beat and waiting waiting for beat car, then the 2 get into a vehicle brother calls back and gives car information plate etc, still waiting about an hour job is coded out by beat 8-- both guys still walking but they split up after noticing we were watching. No not giving the beat or coppers names from pcad, just to say wow! Off duty legit call gets treated like this! I give so many coppers breaks on the expressway and tollways, and if I get a call and copper needs assist or calls on or off duty it's a priority! Did not want to get in to off duty situation, hopefully when the coppers call for something when they are off duty the coppers show up! I know many coppers assigned to the school bullshit, but sorry nothing more to say except thought coppers were all family!
11/20/2013 04:35:00 PM
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These mf -er's are walking all over the westend of 008 on a daily basis. Trying to convince poeple to let them into their homes to check their gas bills, check thier furnaces, check their water hookups, etc.
Hard to get the police to respond on the westend of 008 when you have two beat cars (811/812)patrolling such a large area.
Go to the beat meetings, call the district, call the aldermen, complain, complain, complain.
Also, there are several FB pages of neighbors that are keeping an eye on the hood too. Join up and you will see.
11/21/2013 03:03:00 AM
True why is that commander not called on the carpet? We need more cars how about dedicated tact cars? How about incident car? When I was in 008 in the 80's we had on the west end 811,812,(sector cars 816,817 who stayed on west end), a marked tact car 806D,plus wagon 871,and a tact car everyday! now we have nothing! guess pay the heavy taxes get less service! maybe because we have a commander from the northside he has no vested interest in this community! Yep that's the ticket!
You are 100% correct. 17.2 states "Such leaves may be revoked by only by written notice to the Employer from the President of the Lodge". But what you don't point out is that it took a Board of Directors action initially, giving the president the authority to carry out the request for detail of the 6 persons submitted as field reps. If the president wants to remove a field rep he must go to the Board of Directors, have a motion made to replace Field rep A with Field rep B that would take a 2/3rds majority of the Board of Directors to reverse a prior action. If his motion to replace field rep A with Field rep B is successful he would then notify MLAS that Field rep A is being revoked and Field rep B is the replacement. But when you have a Board of Directors that has been operating for 2 ½ years without any parliamentarian every decision the President makes is correct because there is no parliamentarian to correct him. This is like watching NASCAR where anything goes just to get to the finish line first, versus driving home from the race where there is all kind of rules of the road that have to be followed to promote the safety of everyone on the road. So this race continues on the streets instead of the race track where all the traffic laws are ignored.
Roberts Rules of Order was adopted by FOP Lodge 7 and are a set of rules on conducting the business of the lodge. It provides parliamentary procedures on how meetings will be conducted and is the law when the Constitution and By-Laws are silent on an issue. No place in Roberts Rules of Order or in the Constitution and By-Laws of Chicago FOP 7 does it state that a collective bargaining contract has any binding authority to supersede actions taken by the members, officers or the board of directors. That is why appointing a parliamentarian is so important. If there is any disagreement as to how to proceed or anyone believes the chair has made an incorrect ruling any member may challenge the chair and all business stops until the parliamentarian and the entire board have discussed and identified the proper procedure the member believes was violated and the correct procedure is identified and conformed to . The parliamentarian promotes correct proceedings where every action taken by any member, board or officer of that board, is in compliance with the Constitution, By-Laws and Roberts Rules of Order. You have to ask yourself just one question. Why was a parliamentarian never appointed?
The below quotes are all from Roberts Rules of Order
Those powers not specifically given to officers and boards in the bylaws enable members to reverse decisions made by boards and officers.
Another check and balance that the bylaws give is the right of the membership to remove ineffective or tyrannical leaders from office.
The rules are applied equally, impartially, and fairly to all and not just a select few.
Written procedures exist for removing and replacing an officer when the officer doesn’t fulfill his or her duties.
Whatever the structure of the organization, the president has the authority to do only the things that are assigned to that office by the by-laws. Often, those elected to the office of president misunderstand their role in the organization and believe that the members have given them free reign to run the organization any way they please, thus setting up a dictatorship.
Off topic... There has never been a class made off the old list, once they start the new test. Too bad for the ones that just missed it. & shame on you for not taking the new one. No list will come out before they do merit selections. If they announce merit selections, there will be a list. If not, it will be the top 35 or so from this new test sometime next fall
The FOP will never get another dime in dues money from me! Who needs their $1000 life insurance policy? We are not part of the bargaining agent anymore and they do not represent us, per Jessica, (the next one who should be thrown out) own words.
Rahm can see by reading this blog that Mike is following his plan exactly as they discussed it
Billy D has the respect and support from many of his loyal friends. Wishing and hoping you soon return. Your buds; 008, 009, 610, 620, and many more...
11/20/2013 11:18:00 PM
Your buds a.k.a. fellow merit hack buddies
So we the dues paying members have money deducted each week to pay this president $150,000 a year, Nice New Lincoln covering gas, repairs and an unlimited expense account for the privilege of being told I forgot to send the Retro letter in on time, I forgot to send the unfair labor practice in on time but I will spend a lot of your money through the lawyers appealing the Illinois Labor Boards decision to the Illinois Circuit courts, with a price tag of $10,000.00, because I lost the last 2 appeals at the labor board, can’t off the top of my head remember what those appeals cost. Incidentally, the President of this organization was always given a car because of the many trips to Springfield he had to make during the year lobbying for legislation. However he has paid Mark Donahue to do this part of his job so does he really need a car when then members are paying an additional $70,000.00 per year to do the job all previous presidents have performed. Guarantee he will keep spending our money on this appeal to make sure this case is not heard until after the election. Oh and by the way I have removed from office Bill Dougherty, the most knowledgeable person on any member’s problems regarding medical issues. If anyone insists that I play by the rules of this organization, I get rid of them, just ask my secretary. Having fun and living like a king at your expense, Nice.
You are 100% correct. 17.2 states "Such leaves may be revoked by only by written notice to the Employer from the President of the Lodge". But what you don't point out is that it took a Board of Directors action initially, giving the president the authority to carry out the request for detail of the 6 persons submitted as field reps. If the president wants to remove a field rep he must go to the Board of Directors, have a motion made to replace Field rep A with Field rep B that would take a 2/3rds majority of the Board of Directors to reverse a prior action. If his motion to replace field rep A with Field rep B is successful (2/3rds vote)he would then notify MLAS that the leave for Field rep A is being revoked and Field rep B is the replacement. But when you have a Board of Directors that has been operating for 2 ½ years without any parliamentarian every decision the President makes is correct because there is no parliamentarian to correct him. This is like watching NASCAR where anything goes just to get to the finish line first, versus driving home from the race where there is all kind of rules of the road that have to be followed to promote the safety of everyone on the road. So this race continues on the streets instead of the race track where all the traffic laws are ignored and we the members are the victims of these out of control drivers in this race.
Roberts Rules of Order was adopted by FOP Lodge 7 and are a set of rules on conducting the business of the lodge. It provides parliamentary procedures on how meetings will be conducted and is the law when the Constitution and By-Laws are silent on an issue. No place in Roberts Rules of Order or in the Constitution and By-Laws of Chicago FOP 7 does it state that a collective bargaining contract has any binding authority to supersede actions taken by the members, officers or the board of directors. That is why appointing a parliamentarian is so important. If there is any disagreement as to how to proceed or anyone believes the chair has made an incorrect ruling any member may challenge the chair and all business stops until the parliamentarian and the entire board have discussed and identified the proper procedure the member believes was violated and the correct procedure is identified and conformed to . The parliamentarian promotes correct proceedings where every action taken by any member, board or officer of that board, is in compliance with the Constitution, By-Laws and Roberts Rules of Order. You have to ask yourself just one question. Why was a parliamentarian never appointed?
The below quotes are all from Roberts Rules of Order
Those powers not specifically given to officers and boards in the bylaws enable members to reverse decisions made by boards and officers.
Another check and balance that the bylaws give is the right of the membership to remove ineffective or tyrannical leaders from office.
The rules are applied equally, impartially, and fairly to all and not just a select few.
Written procedures exist for removing and replacing an officer when the officer doesn’t fulfill his or her duties.
Whatever the structure of the organization, the president has the authority to do only the things that are assigned to that office by the by-laws. Often, those elected to the office of president misunderstand their role in the organization and believe that the members have given them free reign to run the organization any way they please, thus setting up a dictatorship.
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