Tentative Fire Contract
Lots of comments popping up about this. Hopefully, there will be some info in the morning rags about what they got, what they lost and what they gave away - because it's going to affect the FOP Contract in more ways than we can imagine.
UPDATE: Here's the initial report from the Sun Times.
UPDATE: Here's the initial report from the Sun Times.
Labels: contract stuff, fire fighters
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
142 Comments:
Retro. And 11% for 5 years
Wonder what Raccoon Eyes promised our new guy Dean. They had breakfast together to talk about who knows what.
Per the Sun Times they still get free retiree health care, and no change in pension. They got 11% over five years. The Sgts and Lts agreed to 2% retiree health care. Can we have the CFD union negotiate our contract please.
Mcdrunky is blowing a gasket claiming that the press is out to get him. What's wrong is they aren't buying your lies and bullshit anymore and since they don't work for you, you can't bully them like you do all the spineless gold stars.
Say it isn't so Local #2!
Crap raises and our taxes keep going up... We are still upside down in this shithole. It's time to lift residency boys and girls, did you hear that Angelo?
11% 5yrs. The FOP is just wasting time. The city isn't going to sweeten the deal and an arbitrator that's in bed with the city isn't going to take our side. Let's get this shit overwith and move on. Regardless, were not getting more than 2% a year anyway just face the fucking facts
Retro, 11-percent pay raise over five years but does not include pension or retiree health care reform.
Did Dean drop off some cufflinks for Rahm?
Hoping we don't give anything away for retro. Then again we are the police, and will throw out the baby with the bath water for a quick heavily taxed BUCK.
Can we have the CFD union negotiate our contract please.
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Then we would need CFD numbers on the job. CFD only has what, like 200 employees... we want 11% we will get there, just wait a year or two till our numbers drop below 7k officers. 11% and 1 day off a month. Gonna be great.
Because Cfd actual will fight for theirs. Their uniforms are given to them and they still get a uniform allowance When I grow up I want to be a firemen
Yes let me move out to the burbs please please please!!!!!
Per the Sun Times they still get free retiree health care, and no change in pension. They got 11% over five years. The Sgts and Lts agreed to 2% retiree health care. Can we have the CFD union negotiate our contract please.
4/10/2014 12:25:00 AM
While Local 2 did better than the Pleines led sergeants, FOP can still do better than both. Hold fast FOP. You can't really do any worse.
The Lt's contract allows it to be reopened to negotiate raises in the event pension contributions are increased. CFD may not have this, and you can bet they are going to based on the last piece of legislation and the lap dogs in the house and senate that voted yes. As it stands now the Sergeants and Lieutenants only got 8%. Nice job CFD
Dang, acting all reasonable like that, you'd almost think Rahm had an election coming up -- hey, just a damn minute!
The alderman election next year bringing heat on the Mayor.
So Da mayor wants to play ball now.
Notice how conspicuously absent is HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE NOW?
And doesn't the Sergeant's Union look like fools now for shitting on themselves for 2% healthcare for retirees?
And doesn't the Lt union now look like fools for shitting on themselves as well?
Lesson for Angelo:
WE DON'T ACCEPT 2% INCREASES TO HEALTHCARE IN RETIREMENT, NOR DO WE ACCEPT LESS THAN 11% raises.
And in return, WE DON'T GIVE THIS ASSHOLE SHIT FOR PENSION THEFT, WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN UP OUR COLAS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY, WE'RE NOT GIVING UP MORE.
And Angelo better not even CONSIDER raising the age for retirement, most of us left in this shithole job have already planned out our life according to the rules we came on this job with, and planning for 20 years using our shit pension as our retirement means exactly that, WE EXPECT TO RETIRE WHEN THE FUCK WE PLANNED TO RETIRE.
Fucking anyone over on this subject should get this guy and our union strung up in a lawsuit as a defendant along with the city.
It's time to lift residency boys and girls, did you hear that Angelo?
4/10/2014 02:18:00 AM
Fuck residency, that grass ain't any greener pal.
Worry about your fucking pension and your healthcare because THAT is what's gonna fuck you outta that suburban home you think is so great.
work 1 off 2 , daley day off every 5 days we work , eat your hearts out donut eaters .
yep on slow nights we still get a good night sleep .
Screw lifting residency. You're a moron. Taxes are 3 times in the burbs what they are here. Also, we both have the reprocity clause or as we refer to it the "poor me clause" right? So if they got retro, we should get retro. Am I wrong in thinking this?
Anonymous said...
Mcdrunky is blowing a gasket claiming that the press is out to get him. What's wrong is they aren't buying your lies and bullshit anymore and since they don't work for you, you can't bully them like you do all the spineless gold stars.
4/10/2014 12:27:00 AM
Dont kid yourself, the Media is still Heavily in bed with the Mayor, Supt. and the ultra-corrupt Administration/Regime. They will only push so far, never go for the full truth, because, truth be told, the Chicagoland News Media is on the take, and being paid off, sometimes ith cash, many times with political favors to them and their families, relatives, under the table deals, etc; etc. etc. They're all sewer-Rats in the same sewer. Chicagoland, their Media, and Political Connections, in general, is Far-Far-Far more on the Take than most people will Ever realize or could imagine. And the Feds, some who are supposed to be policing it all, yes, On-The-Take too.
A little over 2% a year? In a city and county and government that robs you of your last fucking penny? Cost of living in this shithole has to be at least 3-4 percent a year...still upside down in pay !!!!!!
FYI the article wasnt totally correct. I was at the Ex Board meeting yesterday. We will start to pay 2% for retirees in 2015 for people that take the early retirment just like the Sgt & Lt contracts call for. The reason ours will start in 2015 is because it is already 2014. The Sgt started the year after the contract.
Rahm's gonna shove it up our asses. Drag this contract out as long as possible, and don't give up anything.
Fuck retro at this point. We fucked up, and now we move on.
So, Fire works out a contract that says 55 and out is free healthcare..... what are they gonna do when emanuel tries to raise the minimum retirement age to 55 then?
You don't think this is coming folks? Watch.....
You guys and gals out there who're 49 with 20 or closer?
You watch as Emanuel fucks you outta retiring in a year as you've planned for your entire career.
All those financial plans you've made? Home sales you've got a contract on? Kiss that shit goodbye if Angelo refuses to file suit against Emanuel for violating the constitution and state laws on your retirement.
Regardless of what we get, nothing compares to Angelo and our FOP selling us out on pensions, NOTHING.
50 years old is long enough to endure this job, 20 years of it is plenty of time to get beat up and working injured just to make it to a pension.
Don't give up a fucking thing and force your FOP to right any pension changes to the end.
FOP needs to publicly acknowledge this and stand with We Are One and the CTU and fight ANY changes to pensions, period.
considering the economic times it seems to be a decent contract
Does this mean Cpd is gonna get the same thing?
Crap raises and our taxes keep going up... We are still upside down in this shithole. It's time to lift residency boys and girls, did you hear that Angelo?
Residency is dead and not even on the table. Give it a rest and move on to something we can change.
Per the Sun Times they still get free retiree health care, and no change in pension. They got 11% over five years. The Sgts and Lts agreed to 2% retiree health care. Can we have the CFD union negotiate our contract please.
Maybe the FOP should wake up and smell the coffee. How can the CFD union have it settled and FOP is barely started.
To bad they either gave away the "me to" clause or negotiated it away. If they hadn't we would already be covered by it while negotiating our contract.
Who was president of the FOP when the "me to" clause disappeared and what did we get for making it go away? and we does the CFD still have it?
Only the best working for this fair city.
http://politics.suntimes.com/article/chicago/low-level-city-clerk-charged-stealing-nearly-750000/wed-04092014-236pm#bmb=1
So lets see, basicaly 2% a year, but Rham is going to raise the medical and other related items, plus double the property tax, and lets not forget the city income tax waiting in the wings. The firemen will have less money then they do now.
Plus they forgot about retirement??
Must have had more than a few beers at the firehouse.
A FIVE YEAR contract? So, Rahm is trying to quell any unrest through his next TWO mayoral elections?
God help us. A lot can change in five years. It's just too long to lock in for.
"Mcdrunky is blowing a gasket claiming that the press is out to get him."
He's an idiot if he doesn't realize that Emanuel brought him in for that very reason; to be the lightning rod for everything that's "wrong" with CPD, and to take the blame for the dwindling personnel levels and all the bad things that go with it. Emanuel then takes credit for the good, and a few of those scraps are thrown to McCarthy.
Welcome to Chicago, pal.
rb
I have always said that CFD local 2 is much smarter and better at negotiations than FOP and PBPA ever were.
All this stuff going on, Rahm's pension legislation, the Fire Union contract, and the FOP website hasn't been up-dated in over a week.
If I get a fire extinguisher and put it in the trunk of my car can I join the fire department? I already have a hose. LOL!!!!!
get rid of residency. PLEASE
They did give up a guy in each house with two firefighting rigs. The city saved a lot more than 2% that they want back on our health care.
Just remember our contracts are close to CFD but not 100% the same. Still look for Rahm to play hardball somewhere in the process.
T.R.P.
Firefighters will sleep good tonight at the firehouse knowing they did better than the police .
Man did I take the wrong test.
Sun times is wrong, Retirees to pay 2% of their pension for retiree health care starting 2015
If we could get the same deal as CFD including the free health care at 55..... then I say we go for it.
They keep their manning,wow!
Anonymous said...
Per the Sun Times they still get free retiree health care, and no change in pension. They got 11% over five years. The Sgts and Lts agreed to 2% retiree health care. Can we have the CFD union negotiate our contract please.
4/10/2014 12:25:00 AM
I'd bee ok with that deal, but as we all know city hall dislikes the police much more than fire.
2.2% per year....measly crumbs..Pathetic..
"civil servant" ..... Servant, absolutely... Civil, Ain't nothing civil about it! Should have stayed in school and listened to my grandpa!
Fuck residency! You better try to keep a pension!
and the teachers union just "found" 70 million, I wish I could find 70 bucks somewhere, LOL
Do we have a me too in our contract with the firemen?
Prediction: With Pleines roaming about Dean's FOP today, FOP will have a contract within a month. And it will be the Sergeant's deal. Rahm wins.
I received my retro check in the mail today.
OT: word is Angelo might bring Pleines back into the fold. Get ready for the sgt's contract 2.0. Give the FOP a call and let them know what a huge fucking mistake that would be.
Who care about residency, u shouldn't have taken the job, nitwit.
Bad deal. 11% five years is a joke. 11% raise duty availability non-pensionable. 55 and out medical pay 2%. Retain current staffing levels. My guess is the union concede on everything to keep staffing levels.
Also, we both have the reprocity clause or as we refer to it the "poor me clause" right? So if they got retro, we should get retro. Am I wrong in thinking this?
4/10/2014 08:28:00 AM
The word you might be looking for is Reciprocity. And no we do not have the "me too clause" So no we don't have to get retro so yes you are wrong in thinking this. And stop worrying about retro. Worry about your pension and healthcare!!
residency shouldn't be a contractual negotiation. Residency requirement is unconstitutional.
It should be challenged in court.
This is the part where people chime in with "state constitution" and "home rule clause."
It is unconstitutional. Challenge it.
FYI for all you know it alls out there that really dont. We Sergeants have a "me too" with the Fire Lt's (same pay grade before you start ) So what they get I get. Oh and enjoy your missing year of Retro
to 04/10/14 2:18am keep crying about residency, you knew when you got hired that was rule, if your so unable quit and move to either gary,in detroit or jacksaon ms. the suburbs are no longer paradise they once were maybe 20 years but no longer. can you say section 8 housing?ask yourself who your daughter might be bring home for dinner? higher taxes and you pay for everything including water and trash pickup, and when you blow thru that stop sign that suburban cop might just write your ass, also not every suburb has good school districts, now shut up , buy a home in either 8, 16 or 22 and send your child to a catholic school,
Hey dumbass, the arbitrator decided the Sgt's contract.
Sarge , you also get to pay 2% for retirement health insurance and you can't sleep at work.
I agree stop worrying about retro and keep our healthcare and pensions (sustainable) CFD will be paying 2 percent for healthcare when retiring at 55 and no we don't have a me too for them but they have one on us?? Who was the idiots that agreed to that ?? CFD has no health or pension contributions increases but what are to expect on how that ARC payment will be made in 2015 ????
Spoke to a fireman who said they will pay 2% a year after 55yrs old for medical. Pension stays the same. Duty availability and clothing allowance money increased, 11% over five years. He was happy with it. Does anyone know if Rahm put all retirees into Obamacare?.
How about asking for a legit promotional exam.
How about more bid units and percentage of bids vs clout?
Too much?
Nevermind.
Anonymous said...
residency shouldn't be a contractual negotiation. Residency requirement is unconstitutional.
It should be challenged in court.
This is the part where people chime in with "state constitution" and "home rule clause."
It is unconstitutional. Challenge it.
4/10/2014 04:14:00 PM
OK, I'm convinced, I suggest you step up and lead the charge, start a fund and make the rounds of districts, do a mailing, talk at FOP meetings, collect money for a legal battle, you sound pretty committed. We will see how committed. I will await your fund raising efforts. Count me in, I am good for $50. Did I hear you say "Follow me?"
borncynical said...
Bad deal. 11% five years is a joke. 11% raise duty availability non-pensionable. 55 and out medical pay 2%. Retain current staffing levels. My guess is the union concede on everything to keep staffing levels.
4/10/2014 03:52:00 PM
11% is OK if we get it all starting the day the contract expired, July 1, 2012. I'd go for that.
The big difference between local 2 and FOP, is continuity. The E.B. of Local 2 has remained unchanged for the last six yrs., except for Sgt. At Arms, who chose not to run again. Many members are in their 3rd term or more. There's not much that they haven't seen.
The lawyer has been the same for 20+yrs. Under these circumstances, letters get sent out on time, and negotiating teams don't have to waste time getting to know each other, or getting a feel for one another. There is a mutual respect that comes from longevity and having a past relationship.
Every time that a union "wipes the slate clean" it conveys a sense of instability that is hard to respect, much less take seriously. That is why your ballot should be treated with the utmost care and consideration. Those who choose not to vote are the biggest fools of all, and ye shall reap what you do not sow.
Local 2 is not perfect by a long shot, but the E.B. does have long tenured members who are respected by the City's negotiating team, and it shows. just sayin'
They got nothing better, just a year and a half longer contract-
They got nothing better, just a year and a half longer contract-
Anonymous said...
Screw lifting residency. You're a moron. Taxes are 3 times in the burbs what they are here. Also, we both have the reprocity clause or as we refer to it the "poor me clause" right? So if they got retro, we should get retro. Am I wrong in thinking this?
4/10/2014 08:28:00 AM
Yes the FOP DIDNT SEND THE LETTER!
Retro. And 11% for 5 years
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if we can get no increase in medical payments or pension I will take that in a heartbeat. if any of you greedy morons want to hold out for more money then you will be very sorry when it comes to arbitration. word around is that if we try arbitration with wages we are gonna get whopped this time around. with the downgrade of the city we would see about 1 percent a year for 5 years from an arbitrator and they city knows it. Look for the FOP to play ball and not go to arbitration much like fire just did... fire knew that if they were gonna go to arbitration they were gonna either loose specialty pay or they were gonna get killed on yearly raises. Fire took this with "pension reform in the future" because they know they are gonna have no choice but to reform pensions in the future so they are keeping the members happy right now... 2 or 3 years later the pension reform will pass and cancel out everything. we are s
Anonymous said...
FYI for all you know it alls out there that really dont. We Sergeants have a "me too" with the Fire Lt's (same pay grade before you start ) So what they get I get. Oh and enjoy your missing year of Retro
4/10/2014 04:14:00 PM
Oh, and enjoy getting assfucked when Emanuel jacks up your healthcare contributions by another 5% "sarge".
You got shit on publicly by Emanuel begging for 11% and getting 10% while fire got 11% without having to shit on themselves for 2% healthcare in retirement.
And as for your me too clause? That doesn't give you shit besides the 1% Emanuel just embarrassed you out of, you're still gonna eat the shit on your 2% insurance premiums pal because your me too clause doesn't get you shit but a salary match.
Fire will get their 55 and out with 0, and you will pay 2%, and your me too clause can't do shit about it.
And your great "reopened"? Emanuel shit on you there too and you dipshits ate it right up didn't you? You signed away all rights to sue against illegal healthcare legislation increases dumbass.... you think you're gonna get shit when you "reopen" your contract you're a bigger fool than it took to give away 2% retiree healthcare..... which will be taken away from you in short order and there's nothing you can do when it happens.
Anonymous said...
Per the Sun Times they still get free retiree health care, and no change in pension.
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that's because it's illegal to negotiate pension related issues with an active employee employment contract.
Pensions are NOT a collective bargaining issue.
Only a fucktard would ever try to fuck their membership over by trying to force them to choose between a raise now for being shit on after you retire.
But I guess that's what a Jim Ade is for eh?
Anonymous said...
If we could get the same deal as CFD including the free health care at 55..... then I say we go for it.
4/10/2014 01:40:00 PM
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Of course we take the deal.... 11 percent and 55% out in a shit economy while city revenue continues to drop doesn't take a genius to understand.
All employees getting 2% in the current economy should consider it a fair deal or better.
When the casino shows up, Emanuel makes more money. And when the next contract comes up THAT'S when the raises get bumped up, assuming the country hasn't been crashed by then.
We just need to ensure Emanuel doesn't attempt to legislate upping the retirement age to 55 to get it to happen, which I guarantee you he's trying to get us to take right about now. Better than 25% of this department is in that bracket that can retire now or in the very near future. You can bet Emanuel's gonna try and exploit that into dividing us into shitting on ourselves for another 5 years for the same benefit level.
FOP better be on it all the way, and be prepared to fight any changes to our pensions.
Anonymous said...
FYI for all you know it alls out there that really dont. We Sergeants have a "me too" with the Fire Lt's (same pay grade before you start ) So what they get I get. Oh and enjoy your missing year of Retro
4/10/2014 04:14:00 PM
I'm also a Sergeant, but you're an ignorant ass.
It's morons like you that are an embarrassment to the rank and the department.
Grow up!
Piss and moan all you want but how long do you want to wait for the same contract?
I received my retro check in the mail today.
4/10/2014 03:10:00 PM
Go away troll
work 1 off 2 , daley day off every 5 days we work , eat your hearts out donut eaters .
yep on slow nights we still get a good night sleep .
4/10/2014 08:03:00 AM
But at the end of the day you're still a carp.
Does their contract call for more nap time?
borncynical said...
Bad deal. 11% five years is a joke. 11% raise duty availability non-pensionable. 55 and out medical pay 2%. Retain current staffing levels. My guess is the union concede on everything to keep staffing levels.
4/10/2014 03:52:00 PM
They gave up a guy in every house with two firefighting trucks. That was a big loss.
If we could get the same deal as CFD including the free health care at 55..... then I say we go for it.
4/10/2014 01:40:00 PM
Comprehend what you read. They didn't get the free healthcare at 55, they have to pay 2% of their pension.
Cfd has a me too with cpd,if u are a emt with cfd u get a extra 6%! Medics 7.5% !
All those financial plans you've made? Home sales you've got a contract on? Kiss that shit goodbye if Angelo refuses to file suit against Emanuel for violating the constitution and state laws on your retirement.
Regardless of what we get, nothing compares to Angelo and our FOP selling us out on pensions, NOTHING.
50 years old is long enough to endure this job, 20 years of it is plenty of time to get beat up and working injured just to make it to a pension.
Don't give up a fucking thing and force your FOP to right any pension changes to the end.
FOP needs to publicly acknowledge this and stand with We Are One and the CTU and fight ANY changes to pensions, period.
You sound like an idiot, Cry me a river. 20 years is enough to get beat up and work injured. Yea, I see that alot. More like I tripped and am on IOD for the summer.
One of the best "get beat up and work injured" IOD you idiot.
Can we have the CFD union negotiate our contract please.
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Then we would need CFD numbers on the job. CFD only has what, like 200 employees... we want 11% we will get there, just wait a year or two till our numbers drop below 7k officers. 11% and 1 day off a month. Gonna be great.
200 employees? No, its more like 20 I think. What are you smoking? 200 employees
for fucks sake, let it go to an arbitrator and be done with it already.
Complain all you want. By the time Rahm, the Legislature and the Pols called the supreme court are through- the Sergeants deal will look good.
Same thing all the time, worry about a 3K retro check while the million dollar pension is threatened. Have to love it.
Sorry, 2% won't cut the extra costs to live in the city when the following have increased steadily over the past year:
ComEd
Peoples Gas
City water/sewer
Gasoline
Insurance (home/car)
Property Taxes (city and poss cook)
Water/Sewer Bill
Temp Income Tax increase permanent
Kid's college tuition
...and Milk at Costco!!
I'd be going backwards in my 17 year old Honda.
20 BLS ambos converting to ALS by September. 150+ paramedics to be hired. Probably have to reopen the entry list if they cant get enough new medics. List is 2 years old at least. Manning gauranteed til 2019. New 55 year old retirees ( after this year) to pay 2% of annuity to health care.
You morons we got 10% for 5 years last contract in the middle of a recession. We are out of it and get another 10% for 5 years? You are goofs.
I heard Geiger is finally fired. Good riddance and take the lawsuits wuth you scumbag.
Anyone who wants to raise their family in this dump of a city has problems. As for pension, get educated. It's a law, they have to pay it. Why the fuck do you think they're scrambling to find a solution? Not because they wanna be nice and give us a pension. It's the LAW. Any who cares about residency?? Most of us unless you like living in a shit hole. We are the last city to have this archaic rule. And it's not a contract issue, it's a change the law issue. Challenge it. Yeah yeah, I don't give a fuck that it has been challenged already. Things change, you lose once and you run home with your tail between your legs and give up? Fight that shit! Or be miserable living in the hell hole wishing your life away for retirement. The city changed since most of us came on.. And not for the better.
I cant wait to hear what Shields abd Dougherty left us........a big pile of shit
"...Local 2 is not perfect by a long shot, but the E.B. does have long tenured members who are respected by the City's negotiating team, and it shows. just sayin'
4/10/2014 06:10:00 PM"
IAFF Local 2 also represents all ranks up to Battalion Chief (equivalent to a CPD Captain).
We were divided, conquered and sold out way back in the 80's when CPD supervisors were organizing. The Sergeants were going to be Lodge 7A but John Deneen sold them out on orders from Richie. We have all been screwed even since with no way to get our separate acts together.
Wake up people at $150000 @ year for 12 years is 1.8 million dollars that is what Billy boy, Aguilar and Franky Dimaria each made off our union dues. Are they worth that much? Who knows what the lawyerrs made.
I need to put down sod already for my grass...hurry up with my retro!
Why don't we all just have a meeting with the mayor and give each other a hug...I love you all!!!
Said it before, should team up with CTU for a me too clause. They can strike, we can back them and the fire department can run safe passage. We are the three jamming up Rahms utopia, lets get together to fight a common foe, then go back to the bullshit.
I love getting a rise out of people... Lift residency, lift residency! We are getting screwed being forced to live in the city, give those of us who want to move out the chance.
And to think there are some city workers who voted for Emanuel. Reap what you sow. Unfortunately the rest of us will be fucked who knew better than to vote for Emanuel. Thanks assholes for helping to put Emanuel in office.
As long as we get 10 hour days we'll be ok!!!!
Shut the fuck up about residency. It is a condition of your employment as a police officer. You knew it when you took the test, took the power test, took the physicals, provided references to the Personnel Section, etc. etc. Been around forever. Been strictly enforced since the late 60s - early 70s. For about the last 45 years the city has demanded you live in Chicago if you want to be a police officer, or any other city employee for that matter. People who bitch about residency are like the people who buy a house or condo near Wrigley Field and bitch about the congestion. Really?
work 1 off 2 , daley day off every 5 days we work , eat your hearts out donut eaters .
yep on slow nights we still get a good night sleep .
4/10/2014 08:03:00 AM
Is that a Daley Sr. or Daley Jr. Day? Or maybe it's a Maggie Daley day? Not to mention all the money you save on clothes. That sweet uniform looks great at the Jewels and Home Depot.
You sound like an idiot, Cry me a river. 20 years is enough to get beat up and work injured. Yea, I see that alot. More like I tripped and am on IOD for the summer.
One of the best "get beat up and work injured" IOD you idiot.
4/10/2014 08:52:00 PM
Well then feel free to go start giving Emanuel 3% more of your monthly gross there dipshit, no one's stopping you and I'm sure he'd be happy to take that money from you.
Don't forget to let him know he can cut 25% off your pension too when you retire at 63, if you can make it till then. Course you're likely sitting inside somewhere shilling for your master there ain't ya so you shouldn't have a problem hiding out until you die in your chair at the desk eh?
'The sergeants' and lieutenants' contracts require those members to contribute two percent toward retiree health care that’s now free. The firefighters contract includes no retiree health care reforms, nor does it include pension reform that Emanuel desperately needs to bail out a firefighters pension fund with assets to cover just 25 percent of its liabilities, sources said."
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Comprehend what you read. They didn't get the free healthcare at 55, they have to pay 2% of their pension.
4/10/2014 08:47:00 PM
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Read what you think you comprehend..... they got 55 and 0 expert.
Per the Sun Times they still get free retiree health care, and no change in pension. They got 11% over five years. The Sgts and Lts agreed to 2% retiree health care. Can we have the CFD union negotiate our contract please.
Read better my friend. They have to pay the same medical premium if they retire before age 60.
Anonymous said...
Yes let me move out to the burbs please please please!!!!!
4/10/2014 07:13:00 AM
Please do!
Sounds like this is the beginning of divide and conquer!!!!
Didn't rahm say that in 2016 the city will no longer deal with healthcare? He is going to put all employees and retirees into Obama care and make you pay him 2%. Now that's the rest of the story!
regarding residency....i also knew i was getting a pension, will that change?
Hey 238 am.....that's what they said about our pension too.....you know...in your that's what you signed up for speech?
Anonymous said...
residency shouldn't be a contractual negotiation.
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Residency cannot be negotiated as part of our contract. Educate yourself before speaking.
Anonymous said...
Spoke to a fireman who said they will pay 2% a year after 55yrs old for medical. Pension stays the same. Duty availability and clothing allowance money increased, 11% over five years. He was happy with it. Does anyone know if Rahm put all retirees into Obamacare?.
4/10/2014 05:33:00 PM
We[CPD] got fucked the same way years ago. Traded a pensionable pay increase foe shift differential/uniform allowance because the young guys wanted to buy the latest new gadget. Same as it always was, same as it always was... Talking Heads.
11% is OK if we get it all starting the day the contract expired, July 1, 2012. I'd go for that.
4/10/2014 05:59:00 PM
Non pensionable, non pensionable, non pensionable. Repeat after me, non pensionable!!!
Can anyone explain what happened to our "me too" clause? I know we lost it, but why us and not the CFD. Did we negotiate it away and if so what did we get in its place and who was heading the FOP at the time.
Here are the facts:
The Chicago Firefighters Union Local 2 has reached a tentative agreement with the City of Chicago with regards to our expired contract. While some minor issues still need to be finalized, we believe that this agreement is a fair settlement for both sides.
Pending final approval by the Local 2 membership, the agreement features the following:
· The duration of the agreement is 5 years, ending in 2017
· Pay raises of 11%
· 11% increase in Duty Availability pay
· 1% increase in pay for cross-trained FF/EMT-B's and FF/EMT-P's
· Members applying for the Age 55 Healthcare benefit and retiring beginning in the year 2015 will now pay 2% of their annuity for the coverage
· All of the 15 current Basic Life Support (BLS) ambulances will be converted to Advanced Life Support (ALS) ambulances beginning September 1st 2014. These converted ALS ambulances will be staffed with 2 single-role Paramedics. In addition, a committee will be formed to assess the need of adding additional ALS ambulances in the future
· Apparatus and staffing levels remain unchanged
When all necessary changes are made by the attorneys, the agreement will then be sent out to our Local 2 membership for your consideration.
Responsible Approach Ensures Firefighters and Paramedics are Fairly Compensated and Taxpayers are Protected; Includes Retiree Contributions for Healthcare Mirroring Similar Sworn Contracts
CHICAGO--(ENEWSPF)--April 10, 2014. Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced today that the City of Chicago and Chicago Firefighters Union Local 2 have agreed upon a tentative contract proposal.
"The men and women of the Chicago Fire Department love our city and go to work every day to keep us safe," said Mayor Emanuel. “After months of negotiation, we have reached an agreement that is a responsible and fair approach that ensures that our firefighters and paramedics are compensated for their hard work and our residents are protected with a fair wage proposal.”
The new collective bargaining agreement announced today is the culmination of more than 24 months of negotiations between the Emanuel administration and the Firefighters Union.
“The Chicago Fire Department is committed to providing the highest quality service to our residents and visitors throughout the city. This contract will allow us to continue our mission going forward,” said Commissioner Jose Santiago.
Once ratified by the members of the union, the five-year collective bargaining agreement phases-in an 11 percent pay increase; maintains eligibility for retiree health care at age 55, but requires future retirees to contribute 2 percent of their retirement annuity toward their benefit; and provides for an upgrade by the Fire Department of its remaining 15 Basic Life Support (BLS) ambulances to Advanced Life Support (ALS) ambulances, making all 75 Chicago Fire Department (CFD) ambulances ALS vehicles.
“We were pleased to work with the union on this plan which enhances our Emergency Medical services providing the highest level of care for all callers,” said Mayor Emanuel.
The terms included in this agreement include compromises that will support firefighters and paramedics as well as lead to savings for city taxpayers.
Retiree Healthcare
Under the proposal, starting in 2015, members who elect to retire between the ages of 55 and 59, and remain in the active employees' medical program will – for the first time – contribute 2 percent of their annuity.
Conversion of BLS to ALS Ambulances
The proposed agreement converts 15 Basic Life Service (BLS) ambulances to Advance Life Service (ALS) ambulances, allowing the City to have Advanced Emergency Medical Service transport ability on every call. Additionally, this will free up 90 firefighters to work on trucks and engines. There are currently 60 ALS ambulances and 15 BLS ambulances.
Wages
Under the proposed agreement, members would receive an 11 percent increase over a five-year period, beginning July 1, 2012. The breakdown of increases is as follows:
July 2012: 2 percent
January 2013: 2 percent
January 2014: 2 percent
January 2015: 1 percent
January 2016: 1 percent
July 2016: 2 percent
January 2017: 1 percent
The proposed five year contract would begin, retroactively, on July 1, 2012 and expire on June 30, 2017.
The terms of the agreement must be approved by the Union’s full membership as well as the City Council.
Source: cityofchicago.org
Police officers usually beat cfd met and paramedics to a call , cross train police , supply a first aide kit and give us a 7% pay raise for having a skill as a paramedic .
Firefighters are a tough group, strong union , rahm was afraid of a strike like the teachers . Teachers pimp slapped the ballerina dancer. Firefighters also have requirements that every truck is manned , not like our police districts one man cars , no wagon , cars down.
You never see a one man garbage truck , light bulb changer in Chicago , suburbs work fine with one man crews . Time to demand that money not spent one all two man cars , shortage of supervisors be placed in our pension fund .
Where is that money going ?
Word is that the annual FOP picnic has added a pony ride and cotton candy.
What do all you people think will happen to your property values if residency is lifted? You think you're going to get top dollar for your house when the market will be flooded with city workers fleeing to the burbs to live next door to some section 8 building? What do you think would happen to the city tax base? Be very careful what you wish for!
Retired
Shut the fuck up about residency. It is a condition of your employment as a police officer. You knew it when you took the test, took the power test, took the physicals, provided references to the Personnel Section, etc. etc. Been around forever. Been strictly enforced since the late 60s - early 70s. For about the last 45 years the city has demanded you live in Chicago if you want to be a police officer, or any other city employee for that matter. People who bitch about residency are like the people who buy a house or condo near Wrigley Field and bitch about the congestion. Really?
4/11/2014 02:38:00 AM
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Retort. To say shut the fuck up about residency, is poor debating tactics. You loose. Our mayor brought the residency issue to the front burner with the Illinois Supreme Court Ruling in his favor. Read the majority decision spaghetti brains, and you'll see why residency is the issue. Your IQ looks to be about 85 and your credit score is probably 551 due to your hotheaded remarks.
America
Anonymous said...
I heard Geiger is finally fired. Good riddance and take the lawsuits wuth you scumbag.
Yeah, sure. Let's get rid of him, his $200K a year salary, and his uncanny ability to win grievance after grievance and stick it down the City's throat over and over on behalf of the membership and lets replace him with a law firm that charges the FOP 1.5 million a year to get hammered by the City attornies over and over again just like the they did during the Nolan era. Wow. Were in for a long three years people.
Anonymous said...
residency shouldn't be a contractual negotiation. Residency requirement is unconstitutional.
It should be challenged in court.
This is the part where people chime in with "state constitution" and "home rule clause."
It is unconstitutional. Challenge it.
4/10/2014 04:14:00 PM
OK, I'm convinced, I suggest you step up and lead the charge, start a fund and make the rounds of districts, do a mailing, talk at FOP meetings, collect money for a legal battle, you sound pretty committed. We will see how committed. I will await your fund raising efforts. Count me in, I am good for $50. Did I hear you say "Follow me?
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"Follow me"
That's a big 10-4 Infantry
The problem is the FOP membership doesn't have the balls and elected another leader without balls.
Anonymous said...
Shut the fuck up about residency. It is a condition of your employment as a police officer.
So is the pension. How's THAT going ?
Anonymous said...
Per the Sun Times they still get free retiree health care, and no change in pension.
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That'a all I need, some nitwit quoting the Sun-Times to me. I don't read the piece of shit myself but someone on the blog has to kick in, "Oh the Sun-Times says..."
Blow me SunTimes boy.
What does Rolling Stone have to say? Or The New Republic?
Relax....they won't raise the retirement age, they don't want to have people sticking around at top salary. Much more cost effective to keep what we have, early retirement and hire new officers at a much lower pay scale.
Anonymous said...
Anyone who wants to raise their family in this dump of a city has problems. As for pension, get educated. It's a law, they have to pay it. Why the fuck do you think they're scrambling to find a solution? Not because they wanna be nice and give us a pension. It's the LAW. Any who cares about residency?? Most of us unless you like living in a shit hole. We are the last city to have this archaic rule. And it's not a contract issue, it's a change the law issue. Challenge it. Yeah yeah, I don't give a fuck that it has been challenged already. Things change, you lose once and you run home with your tail between your legs and give up? Fight that shit! Or be miserable living in the hell hole wishing your life away for retirement. The city changed since most of us came on.. And not for the better.
4/10/2014 10:21:00 PM
All right, I'm convinced. What's stopping you? Get out there and challenge it! Come on, get moving! Do it now! You can be the Ceasar Chavez of residency for police in Chicago. That little lettuce picker didn't write on a blog for someone to challenge things, he got off his ass and did it himself!
You too, get 'er done, I am in back of you 100%. You can be our leader, no tail between your legs dad gum!
“When the student is ready, the teacher will appear”
Given that my wife is doing the work of two people at her job, no pay raise in the last 3 years and reduction in paid time off the fire contract sounds good to me. You bet it could be better but look at what is happening to other people as my wife is a prime example. Until we unify we will remain divided so they will conquer.
Billy D stop defending that scumbag Geiger. He got you launched. 900 outstanding grievances. 12 other attorneys handling Grievances with Geiger? Let's see his tax returns, if he only earned 200,000 I'll vote for you next election. Haha
The best thing about Dean Angelo? He's not Bill Dougherty or Mike Shields.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Shut the fuck up about residency. It is a condition of your employment as a police officer.
So is the pension. How's THAT going ?
4/11/2014 02:17:00 PM
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Fuck residency? Fuck you! The city cannot force us to pay more toward pension. Perhaps we might decide to concede to save our pension, but put residency ON THE FUCKING TABLE. Rahm CAN get it changed.
As for you, you must be a southsider. Just because your house is only going to sell for $30K don't blame us. Maybe you can mover to Gary, IN you prick.
Residency is a law that can be changed just like the pension that was changed. Find a lawmaker willing to draft a bill and quit bitching!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The suburbs are not all that affordable or that safe anymore. Alot of assholes live out there now that the projects are down.
Retort. To say shut the fuck up about residency, is poor debating tactics. You loose. Our mayor brought the residency issue to the front burner with the Illinois Supreme Court Ruling in his favor. Read the majority decision spaghetti brains, and you'll see why residency is the issue. Your IQ looks to be about 85 and your credit score is probably 551 due to your hotheaded remarks.
America
4/11/2014 01:39:00 PM
When you challenge someone's IQ while spelling the word lose 'loose', you greatly diminish your credibility.
You took the job knowing the residency rule hair gell.
Anonymous said...
Per the Sun Times they still get free retiree health care, and no change in pension
As usual Sun Times got it wrong. 55 to 59 py 2% of their pensions for healthcare. If you stay till 60 its free.
Anonymous said...
residency shouldn't be a contractual negotiation.
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Residency cannot be negotiated as part of our contract. Educate yourself before speaking.
4/11/2014 09:07:00 AM
Wrong, fucknuts....
It CAN be negotiated, the law says it cannot be the subject of ARBITRATION
Anonymous said...
Billy D stop defending that scumbag Geiger. He got you launched. 900 outstanding grievances. 12 other attorneys handling Grievances with Geiger? Let's see his tax returns, if he only earned 200,000 I'll vote for you next election. Haha
4/11/2014 05:04:00 PM
You either have no idea what you're talking about or you're just making shit up. Geiger won more grievances by himself than any law firm ever did. It was only him and one other attorney doing them and most of the time it was only him. You're dead wrong.
to the moron complaining about residency , you knew when you were hired that it was a condition to your emplyment, the burbs are not that great , talk to some of cops out there, the beast is there, robbing and killing and he goes to their public schools too, section 8 housing and they have a hugh meth problem the taxes are higher, water n sewer is higher and they charge you for garbich removal, if your smart save your moey and retire to wyoming, montana or tenn.
Make fireman live in the city .
First time I could recall when Fire was done with thier contract before Police.
Why is this time different?
Rahm picking off smaller unions first.
We arent One.
Given that my wife is doing the work of two people at her job, no pay raise in the last 3 years and reduction in paid time off the fire contract sounds good to me. You bet it could be better but look at what is happening to other people as my wife is a prime example. Until we unify we will remain divided so they will conquer.
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This is why she needs to find union work. My wife has the dame shit at her work. However, the sentiment should not be "lets take what the give us compared to other workers." The will reduce you to the alternative, keep the standards high.
To everyone else on here, enough with the residency issue. You work and serve the city you live in. No because of the taxes, because of the relationships you (should be build(ing) with your community, we are looked to as leaders. If youre not, youre doing it wrong. 60-70% of this job is going down the shitter, pensions included, but residency is not the problem. Dont tell me about how they want our taxes. There are not enought police and fire to even make a dent in taxes. Teachers on the other hand, 26k of them. There are probably 16k police and fire combined.
reducing pension or having to contribute more = forfeiture of residency...
According to what I read, the insurance stays the same for 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016. Rahm said that the city will be out of the insurance business in 2016 when this contract expires. Everyone, (I assume except the mayor and alder creatures), will than be placed into his buddy's obamacare. He has already taken the steps by changing state statutes last year and this year where the pension funds will no longer pay for insurance premiums and other good things, "for the children"! Keep distracting people with the residency crap......
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