Firefighters Get a Contract
This seems to be all anyone was talking about yesterday:
- Chicago firefighters and paramedics will get more than $20 million in back pay without adding to the city’s mountain of debt under a five-year contract overwhelmingly ratified Wednesday that forfeits union givebacks for the possibility of pension reform.
[...] The contract gives firefighters and paramedics an 11 percent pay raise over five years, maintains staffing levels and bolsters ambulance service by converting all 15 basic-life-support ambulances to advanced-life-support.
“We’ve worked collaboratively with the Firefighters union to reach this agreement that is both fiscally responsible on behalf of taxpayers and respects the work and sacrifice of the men and women who put their own lives on the line to ensure public safety,” Emanuel was quoted as saying in a press release. “This win-win for taxpayers and firefighters/paramedics is another example what is possible when we work together to reach a fair and responsible agreement on behalf of the whole city.”
Rahm got almost nothing of what he had been pushing for:
- The five-year agreement would require firefighters and paramedics who retire between the ages of 55 and 59 to contribute 2 percent toward retiree health care that’s now free. Police sergeants and lieutenants already have agreed to those terms.
But that’s among the only givebacks Emanuel was able to wring out of Local 2.
The mayor came up empty on his laundry list that took aim at treasured union perks such as holiday and duty availability pay; clothing allowance; pay grades; premium pay; non-duty lay-up coverage; the physical fitness incentive; and the 7 percent premium paid to cross-trained firefighter paramedics.
Nor did the union agree to Emanuel’s plan to have “double houses” that include both engines and trucks to be staffed by nine firefighters instead of 10.
Instead, the mayor settled for what sources called a “vanilla” agreement with a modest pay raise, in hopes of creating a “collaborative atmosphere” that will set the stage to solve the city’s pension crisis.
On the surface, not a lot to complain about. Again, this is at first glance - we're sure someone on the fire side will let us know about any major screw-ups by their representation, but nothing here immediately suggests the FOP should be negotiating for anything less than what CFD got.
Labels: contract stuff, fire fighters
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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But somehow, our deal will be worse.
Mind blowing stuff here.
This video right here
We got illegal immigrants pouring over the border right now and guess what? The US Border Patrol is giving them bus tickets to places like Chicago.
The illegals come over on a bus. Processed. Then bused by a community church where they are fed and showered. In the middle of the night the illegals then are turned loose on the streets take their vouchers paid for by the US taxpayers and handed out by the border patrol to get on buses to various locations thru out the USA.
Where they can then get drivers licenses, voter registration cards and welfare I guess?
Then in the next segment we have US Air Marshall's telling us the entire TSA thing is a scam. That it's all about "STATS" (sound familiar?) and more. Officer suicides while golfing trips for the higher ups under the guise of running security.
THIS IS JAW DROPPING STUFF!
Check it out.
Anytime Rahm says "it's a win win" I am incredibly suspicious. I'm glad to see CFD taken care of, but I'm suspicious. Anyone care to say something reassuring?
good for the firemen. They got a contract because they have experienced negotiators who are not unrealistic. The fop and the coppers dont want to give up anything, dont want to contribute anything but want to be rich every single contract. We are some of the greedies people out there. All the whiners who cry about property taxes (some of the lowest of any big city... for now) catholic schools, tuition etc give me a break.. guess what, your not the only ones. There are people I know with different jobs who make less who are getting by just fine. We are just unrealistic and greedy and we end up shooting ourselves in the foot everytime. You guys(most of you) will sell your soul come contract time for a raise in pay. No matter what we have to give up, what they put extra on us you will do anything for that raise. You dumb mfers will agree to a 50 percent increase in medical expenses just to get a raise even though we end up making less in the end. we are dumb!!!! its that simple! i know, the truth hurts.
I remember marching around city hall.
What do we want, a contact
when do we want it, now
Maybe that should be reposted to remind everyone.
Can I continue to use my hair gel?
OT:
RIP Officer Kenneth G. Kaner #2662
19JUN70.
Retired
At the very minimum the FOP should fight for the same agreement fire got. I'll never understand why city hall treats the police like shit and places them at the bottom of the food chain. The daily risks and constant stress the police go through responding to call after call should be deserving of better treatment
Off topic, but has anyone ever or ever had a spouse that got called for jury duty? My wife got called a couple weeks ago, 26/cal. They gave her a check for $17 and change from County of Cook. And today my bank sends me a letter with a picture of the check saying the check was returned for non-sufficient funds, and I got pinged with a $15 returned check fee to boot. Not that its a big deal, but is Cook County so broke that they can't even cover a $17 jury duty check?
-west side copper
CFD will still cry about this contract
Rahm must like firemen.
The CPD Supervisors--including the Captains who ratified their contract Tuesday--also gave up nothing on duty availability, uniform allowance, holidays or anything else. Except for the operational issues CPD and CFD are the same.
Do we have a me too clause like fire?
Once again you get another decrease in your standard of living. 2% (essentially) increase in pay while taxes and inflation rise at a greater rate. But!!! on the surface it doesn't look to bad......what a joke! Anyone who thinks this is a good contract or an acceptable one is a clown and deserves to suffer in that dump. My last day is this department is next month and I only have 8yrs on the job. See ya suckers!!!
Is it me should we be requesting for Paddy Wagons to be manned on every watch?
Or that No one on midnights works a beat car alone?
Rahm has been getting smeared over all sorts of things from Trump signs to pension pay out.
He is ready to deal before his election. He does not want headlines smearing him.
I know the CFD has a me too clause with our contract negotiations do we have the same with theirs?
It seems as explained by the city the economy is still in the tank but Rahm is burning thru money like a horn dog at an all night brothel! 2% per year for 5 years and inflation is way over 3% per year and at these rates with you now having to kick in more for medical benefits and pension per check you are paying Rahm just to come to work! I guess the firemen don't mind supplementing the Catholic Church for a new arena at McCormic place or some big business tax breaks for the next 20 years, all for what a promise from a Chicago Democrat not screw with their pension on reform which they screwed up from the beginning by not funding the pension in the first place. I have a question for everyone out there I called the pensions boards both Police and Fire and asked if we can sue to force them to make their payment as non-payment diminishes the pension benefits which goes against the Illinois constitution! Their answer by some secretary was "oh we can't do that" so I said why and was told because the "Mayor won't like that" shed said the board had a verbal agreement with the Old Mayor "Daley" as to "don't rock the boat". So the next time you fill up at the gas pump or go get groceries and see the cost has gone up over 10% in one week you can thank your collective bargaining team or Sunday church give an extra dollar for the new DePaul arena!
the city cant come after cfd manning until june of 2019,wow! And that will probably go to an arbitrator.
Ok fop, ok dean they set the precedent, hey dean or fop can you answer this question? If a copper 55-59 puts in for the free health care before the new contract is inked, (signed for some at fop), is the health card free? Example I put in now for next year as we are required to put in by October 01 of present year for next year, we retire next year would we get the free, as we signed the agreement on the city we retirement page that clearly states and we check the box for the FREE health care!
Or would it be if we sign for it , then the city and fop says no you have to pay 2% can the process be stopped if we say no to the 2%? Just wondering our fop rep has no clue and trying to get an answer from fop via phone call is like finding a diamond in the sky!
OT: Rahm Al Ghoul is so worried about the tacky "Trump" sign and how it looks. He's right, self promotion through extravagant signage IS tacky. He should lead by example, and have his name removed from every official city sign, starting with the skyway and O'hare.
Is there an indication of what percentage of their health insurance they must pay if they retire before 55?
Will they still be required to own a personal vehicle which can only be red in color with FF license plates, CFD front & rear window decal and CFD bumper stickers?
O/T
Holding politicians accountable.
JOBS Bullshit. hahahaha.
via http://www.illinoisworknet.com/vos_portal/Industry/en/Home/tdl/defaultTDL.htm?occStatus=OP&occType=outlook&occText=Heavy+Truck+Drivers&jobId=&jobText=&occId=100341
Heavy Truck Drivers - Employment and Outlook
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In Illinois, employment of heavy truck drivers is expected to increase at an average rate through 2020. About 1,950 openings are anticipated annually. Heavy truck drivers is one of 20 occupations expected to provide the most job openings each year in Illinois.
The table below provides information about the number of workers in this occupation in various regions. It also provides information about the expected growth rate and future job openings.....
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All over the net you can find Quinn boasting about the need for truck drivers. What a cruel joke to play on the people.
As we can see in the most recent unemployment claims data
As the MSM propaganda touts continuing drop in first-time unemployment claims Illinois is ranked in the number three position for layoffs. And in what sector are the layoffs? Why transportation of course 3,248 layoffs. see:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-19/initial-jobless-claims-drop-continuing-claims-new-7-year-lows
Listen I love firefighters (my dad was one for 30 yrs) but these guys don't do jack compared to to the working beat cop!!!! They get compensated very well for sleeping,eating four course meals,watching tv and working out!!!!! The few times I'm not envious of them is when it's zero below and and they are dealing with water and fire in the middle of the night! Otherwise our guys day in day out have it much tougher!!!!
Similar to the CPD, the CFD situation is 3 pronged.
Labor contract, pension stabilization, and resolution of both active and retiree healthcare.
The labor contract is arguably the easiest, and perhaps cheapest of the 3 issues for the city to settle. The city chose not to battle over manning at this time. Maybe that was the "carrot."
The "stick" will be shown soon enough.
Negotiations 101......reach common ground on something early on in the hopes that it can make the other issues less contentious.
If THAT is the case, there is some woeful optimistic thinking going on.
NICE JOB BOYS!
A food truck shakedown at 600 W. Chicago left owners fleeing the popular lunch spot
We will have none of this entrepreneurial food truck bullshit threatening the status quo of our corporate campaign donors here.
Oh HELLO NO,
" Something was off this our most recent quest to find the Food Truck of the Week at 600 West Chicago. Lines were short, and a police officer was patrolling the street between the two designated food-truck parking spots and the adjacent, privately owned lot where additional trucks often park. We placed our order at Haute & Ready for Nick the Beef a hybrid Philly cheese steak and Greek gyro — it would be the last sandwich they served that day. It was only 12:15 PM and the truck was scheduled to serve until 1:15.
You see, one of the restaurants in the area has called the cops to report trucks overstaying the two-hour parking limit laid out in the Municipal Code of Chicago. An officer had already threatened Lunchbox with a citation if they did not vacate the private lot they were parked in after two hours. The truck owners, a tight-knit community that work together to ensure survival of the species, were nervous. Zach Soto, owner of Haute & Ready, prepared the last dozen orders placed and instructed his cashier to take no more orders. They were done for the day after serving only 60 people.
“I don’t know if we’re going to be coming back here,” Soto said.
Lunchbox didn’t fare much better at 70 customers served — not enough to pay their overhead costs and break even. Fearful of another trip to court and $2,000 fine (a number designed to represent a truck’s daily income), Nguyen packed up and left too. Soups in the Loop and La Boulangerie followed, leaving the area vacant of food truck by 12:45 PM.
“I’ll be coming every day until they get regulated and do the right thing,” Chicago Police Officer Martin said. The right thing, according..."
more: http://www.zagat.com/b/chicago/city-ordinances-threaten-food-trucks-at-600-west-chicago#utm_campaign=-&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=chicago&utm_term=
YOU JUST DO YOUR JOB. DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING OUTSIDE OF YOUR ASSIGNED FREE SPEECH ZONE. NOW TURN IN YOUR GUNS AND YOUR PENSIONS AND GET IN THERE.
Yeah, we're just doing our jobs and that makes it okay. Who needs jobs, businesses, and tax revenue they create anyways.
I GOT MINE. HOO-RAY FOR ME AND FUCK Y'ALL!
BROKEN WINDOWS
http://www.zagat.com/b/chicago/city-ordinances-threaten-food-trucks-at-600-west-chicago#utm_campaign=-&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=chicago&utm_term=
we better not settle for anything less!
I would hope the FOP would not be running scared and willing to give up any of our perks.
Speaking of giving up perks. Does anyone know when the CPD lost our "me too" clause in the contract. A huge lose.
Who was president of the FOP and what did we get when the FOP negotiated the "me too" Whatever it was, it wasn't enough. Seems the CFD didnt lose anything,but kept their "me too"
Let’s see:
1. FOP negotiates the 55 and out health care program.
2. The Sgts’ , Lt’s, Capt’s, and firefighters get the benefit without any heavey lfting.
3. Then the Sgt’s sell out and give our benefit up and the Lt’s and Capt’s do the same.
4. Now the fire-fighters give it up to save the manning issue in contracts talks.
Now ask yourself FOP has been maligned for years but it looks to me that these other unions are run by a bunch of cowards. So if the FOP contract has to go to arbitration you can blame the above sellout unions for that.
Maybe the cheap pricks will be able to pick up a check or pay their bar tab now.
Note to FOP: Do not settle for anything less than this. He doesn't want any of the contracts going into arbitration as the books would have to be opened up and he doesn't like that.
Fools.
Working for a better life?
How can you be working for a better life when the rewards for your labor are money and benefits being taken away?
Oh but it's only two percent here and two percent there.
Let's play just the tip, trust us.
Yay for the five year cost of living wage increases right? What's it come out to about two percent per year. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT IS KEEPING UP WITH INFLATION?
Here'a a little tip for the mathematically challenged. Don't use the governments pseudo inflation reports. They are lies with magical heuristic and seasonal adjustments.
Compstats on steroids.
Has your taxes only increased by two percent?
How about your energy bills? Electricity, Gasoline, Nat gas? Only two percent eh? Yeah right!
Parking, public transportation, beef, pork, fish, chicken, food all the real necessities of life only going up by two percent OR LESS....according to government inflation reports right?
Oh, and your kids tuition bills and healthcare? WTF! and you think you are winning OMG.
They're playing "just the tip". Rahm is laughing his ass off as workers rationalize it as well it could be worse. Why should it be acceptable at all. Are the people in power taking any wage and/or benefit cuts on their two, three, four pensions?
Wake the hell up. The food stamp line is to the left and since you'll soon be on Obamacare it's only right that Michell dictate to you what foods and drinks you can buy with your vouchers. No sugary soft drinks for you old man.
I too am suspicious. Whenever Rahm is puffing his chest and saying win-win I'm extremely suspicious.
Hopefully all the details come out in the wash shortly.
If I were the FOP I'd be on high alert and tread very slowly, deliberately and carefully.
Lemme get this straight.
The fireman get their back pay that was already earned and this is used as a bargaining chip and seen as a win?
Gimme all your money in your wallet and I'll give you five dollars back to demonstrate how empathetic and caring I am because I could of taken it all.
See you won. Now promise me that we can do the same in the near future with you future earnings, your pensions
video was removed- any other link??
Anonymous said...
OT:
RIP Officer Kenneth G. Kaner #2662
19JUN70.
Retired
6/19/2014 02:59:00 AM
On the eve of the (above) anniversary of Ken Kaner's murder, members of the Department were again at 26/Cal testifying to keep the killers of Sgt. Severin, Officer Rizzato and Officer Barron from early release.
Just as the Kaner family is burdened with reliving the horrific events of the loss of their loved one according to the Illinois Parole Board's vote of a 1-3 return set, cop-killers come up near annually for petition for early release.
Be it known, one and all, that the sacrifice of your loved one will 'Never Be Forgotten.'
May God bless and watch over all our Gold Star Families.
CFD is hoping CPD gets them better.
OT but has anyone heard a rumor of the Gardner family on the southside who orchestrate these mag mile flash mobs and pay the looters in return for receiving stolen goods to sell on the street? Just wondering.
Cpd should demand the manpower clause . Why do police officers work one man cars , wagons assigned as a beat car , double duty , shortage in detective division .
You never see a one man light bulb or garbage crew .
Election year. How many active fire department members?= VOTES!
The Daley Crime Family loved the CFD. Richie Daley's MiniMe Raccoon Eyes loves the CFD too.
This contract is the same thing Fire Commissioner Hoff was saying when the short little pimp ballerina fired him for speaking his mind.
Almost 4 years later, manning is the same as Hoff said it should be, more actually with the firefighters taken off BLS ambulances and more paramedics sure to be hired,
So why did that deceitful worthless jagoff Rahm fire Hoff? The man was RIGHT and was probably the best top boss the Fire Department ever had. Everything Hoff said was right on the money, evil Emanuel was proven to be wrong and dishonest.
I hope former Commissioner Hoff is reading the papers and sees how Rahm got it stuck up his ass. Rahm owes Hoff an apology, which will never come, of course. Too bad the Fire Department lost a great boss.
Fucking scum snake Rahm Emanuel.
Anonymous said...
"good for the firemen. They got a contract because they have experienced negotiators who are not unrealistic. The fop and the coppers dont want to give up anything, dont want to contribute anything but want to be rich every single contract. We are some of the greedies people out there. All the whiners who cry about property taxes (some of the lowest of any big city... for now) catholic schools, tuition etc give me a break.. guess what, your not the only ones. There are people I know with different jobs who make less who are getting by just fine. We are just unrealistic and greedy and we end up shooting ourselves in the foot everytime. You guys(most of you) will sell your soul come contract time for a raise in pay. No matter what we have to give up, what they put extra on us you will do anything for that raise. You dumb mfers will agree to a 50 percent increase in medical expenses just to get a raise even though we end up making less in the end. we are dumb!!!! its that simple! i know, the truth hurts."
6/19/2014 01:02:00 AM
STFU troll...
Off topic, but has anyone ever or ever had a spouse that got called for jury duty? My wife got called a couple weeks ago, 26/cal. They gave her a check for $17 and change from County of Cook. And today my bank sends me a letter with a picture of the check saying the check was returned for non-sufficient funds, and I got pinged with a $15 returned check fee to boot. Not that its a big deal, but is Cook County so broke that they can't even cover a $17 jury duty check?
-west side copper
It IS a big deal! I'd go down to 26/cal with a picture of the check and a copy of your bank statement with the $15 fee and tell them they owe you for both. Obviously it's not a lot of money, but it's the principle!!
Anonymous said...
Can I continue to use my hair gel?
6/19/2014 02:31:00 AM
Sure, and I will continue to use my Brylcreem.
How long was the CFD without a contract? We need to benchmark the time frame and expect the same or better from the FOP. Additionally, the 11% raise should be a gauge for the police contract. This should be average performance for the FOP.
@ 6/19/2014 05:37:00 AM
County bounced a $17.?? Check for jury duty and you had to eat a $15.00 fee?
Somebody at your bank desperately needs a pocket kicked in their ass. Not YOUR fault a government entity bounced a check.
The next time you or yours are called for jury duty, play the race card as an avowed hater, 2/A lover and Police supporter... Tell 'em you read and post on SCC...
They won't be able to get you the hell out of there fast enough.
Eff these insult to intelligence clowns running muni & county gov.
thank god Shields is gone
Mayor blows smoke up firefighters ass !!
the 9 digit midget released a press release according to the news media regarding how happy he is that the fire dept came to terms on a 5 year contract with a 11% raise over that 5 years and that it needed to be ratified by the city council. he went on to mention how (basically) how nice it was for them to be fair about the terms. really so whats he saying ? that they gave up what? and it's going to be expected from us and we better be nice? i dont like the sounds of it and how bogus , 11% over 5 years, retroactive to a fews years ago.The city continues to gain alot and we continue to ( watch what happens to us ) gain nothing! 11% seems to be the same that was given on on our contract[s] for the last few so what have we gained, and we surely have lost and are about to lose what now?
they didn't give up much but how much was gained?
Anonymous said...
good for the firemen. They got a contract because they have experienced negotiators who are not unrealistic. The fop and the coppers dont want to give up anything, dont want to contribute anything but want to be rich every single contract. We are some of the greedies people out there. All the whiners who cry about property taxes (some of the lowest of any big city... for now) catholic schools, tuition etc give me a break.. guess what, your not the only ones. There are people I know with different jobs who make less who are getting by just fine. We are just unrealistic and greedy and we end up shooting ourselves in the foot everytime. You guys(most of you) will sell your soul come contract time for a raise in pay. No matter what we have to give up, what they put extra on us you will do anything for that raise. You dumb mfers will agree to a 50 percent increase in medical expenses just to get a raise even though we end up making less in the end. we are dumb!!!! its that simple! i know, the truth hurts.
6/19/2014 01:02:00 AM
Take it easy Francis tell mommy it's ok, now gave mommy get you that application from mcdonalds! We are dumb? No asshat you are dumb! To much education maybe? Are your aunts and uncles proud of you??
Look here privatizing fire depts?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/suburbs/oak_park_river_forest_forest_park/ct-fire-privatization-north-riverside-tl-0626-20140619,0,5170833.story
only 2% a minute amount for health insurance.
sound familar to you old guys,
We use to get our insurance for free then for a small raise we soldout then the increases in our share. then the H.M.O. policies cheaper but shitty coverage.Then expensive policy started to decline.Need pre-approval forget to get it. tough luck you are now responsible for everything on
your own.and that does not count toward you out of pocket limits. Nothing seems to count toward out of pocket. You have to buy generic drugs that contain more additives than cigarettes. The retirees will be put in obamacare paying who knows what but gurantee it will be more than 2% before you know it and you will not get any government subsidy. But you will sellout for that 2% raise cause you are never going to get sick.forget the raise you will have work an extra 15years and still not be even with your medical bills rant over.
And remember the me too clause. They will get this contract and additional if police get more (lol) good to think that. We need a better union then this garabage fop we need to unite as 1 and handle this problem at hand. We have more than enough educated officers to handle this and do t need dean to fuck us more than mike already has.
@jury duty check/cpd 0537
It's been a few years since I had jury duty, but having that check bounce wouldn't surprise me at all.
Off topic, but has anyone ever or ever had a spouse that got called for jury duty? My wife got called a couple weeks ago, 26/cal. They gave her a check for $17 and change from County of Cook. And today my bank sends me a letter with a picture of the check saying the check was returned for non-sufficient funds, and I got pinged with a $15 returned check fee to boot. Not that its a big deal, but is Cook County so broke that they can't even cover a $17 jury duty check?
-west side copper
Yes, it happens quite often actually. The judges aren't enforcing payment on fines, because if they did we would have the old debtor's prison system in place. So paying of fines gets dragged out or forgiven after 6 months or when jail time is served on a different charge, they tack on a few more days, fine/time considered served.
1:02am
Learn how to write, spell and use correct grammar
Anonymous said...
But somehow, our deal will be worse.
6/19/2014 12:17:00 AM
It shouldnt be,but wait the FOP lost or negotiated our "me to" clause away. That was a smart move and we have been paying for it every contract since.
good for the firemen. They got a contract because they have experienced negotiators who are not unrealistic. The fop and the coppers dont want to give up anything, dont want to contribute anything but want to be rich every single contract. We are some of the greedies people out there. All the whiners who cry about property taxes (some of the lowest of any big city... for now) catholic schools, tuition etc give me a break.. guess what, your not the only ones. There are people I know with different jobs who make less who are getting by just fine. We are just unrealistic and greedy and we end up shooting ourselves in the foot everytime. You guys(most of you) will sell your soul come contract time for a raise in pay. No matter what we have to give up, what they put extra on us you will do anything for that raise. You dumb mfers will agree to a 50 percent increase in medical expenses just to get a raise even though we end up making less in the end. we are dumb!!!! its that simple! i know, the truth hurts.
6/19/2014 01:02:00 AM
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They will do a 75 percent increase if Rahm gives them their retro pay!
Throw in another VRI day and you can make it 85 percent!
Fucking sad.
Hey hair gel know it all. Our deal cannot be worse. Ever hear of the me too clause? Put down the 5.11 catalog and read something.
Do we have a "me too" clause?
Anonymous said...
Can I continue to use my hair gel?
6/19/2014 02:31:00 AM
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No wheel gunning dinosaur... But feel free to keep using Rogaine, I know how technology scares you old guys. No go get your shine box and put in your papers!
Does not mean anything if there is no pension when you retire.
Firemen spend too much time playing with their hoses.
The Police will bear the brunt of Rahm's Revenge.
The Great Hate continues... See to yourselves, your families and protect each other only because you have no friends out here.
Do we have a me too clause like fire?
No FOP gave it up or negotiated it away.
We did have it at one time,but have no idea why they would have given it up. and they did give it up,it was taken from us.
The CPD Supervisors--including the Captains who ratified their contract Tuesday--also gave up nothing on duty availability, uniform allowance, holidays or anything else. Except for the operational issues CPD and CFD are the same.
Did they get the same 11% over 5 years?
The CPD Supervisors--including the Captains who ratified their contract Tuesday--also gave up nothing on duty availability, uniform allowance, holidays or anything else. Except for the operational issues CPD and CFD are the same.
6/19/2014 07:05:00 AM
Was the 2 years retro included along with the 11% over 5 years?
We got illegal immigrants pouring over the border right now and guess what? The US Border Patrol is giving them bus tickets to places like Chicago.
The illegals come over on a bus. Processed. Then bused by a community church where they are fed and showered. In the middle of the night the illegals then are turned loose on the streets take their vouchers paid for by the US taxpayers and handed out by the border patrol to get on buses to various locations thru out the USA.
Where they can then get drivers licenses, voter registration cards and welfare I guess?
Then in the next segment we have US Air Marshall's telling us the entire TSA thing is a scam. That it's all about "STATS" (sound familiar?) and more. Officer suicides while golfing trips for the higher ups under the guise of running security.
You cannot obtain any of that just be walking up, unless there is something illegal going on. I really wish some of you adults would stop passing on this false information, granted illegals should not be entering the country by the busloads but thats another thing.
Anonymous said...
Once again you get another decrease in your standard of living. 2% (essentially) increase in pay while taxes and inflation rise at a greater rate. But!!! on the surface it doesn't look to bad......what a joke! Anyone who thinks this is a good contract or an acceptable one is a clown and deserves to suffer in that dump. My last day is this department is next month and I only have 8yrs on the job. See ya suckers!!!
6/19/2014 07:22:00 AM
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Thank God, why did you wait so long?
Ok fop, ok dean they set the precedent, hey dean or fop can you answer this question? If a copper 55-59 puts in for the free health care before the new contract is inked, (signed for some at fop), is the health card free? Example I put in now for next year as we are required to put in by October 01 of present year for next year, we retire next year would we get the free, as we signed the agreement on the city we retirement page that clearly states and we check the box for the FREE health care!
Or would it be if we sign for it , then the city and fop says no you have to pay 2% can the process be stopped if we say no to the 2%? Just wondering our fop rep has no clue and trying to get an answer from fop via phone call is like finding a diamond in the sky!
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Why are you asking this question here? Do you think the president of the union is going to answer in this forum? Call the FOP office or better yet, walk in and ask you question, or heaven forbid GO TO A MEETING.
The CPD Supervisors--including the Captains who ratified their contract Tuesday--also gave up nothing on duty availability, uniform allowance, holidays or anything else. Except for the operational issues CPD and CFD are the same.
Maybe since these all these guns will now be infiltrating the city, police should be able to argue that their job is significantly more dangerous...therefore get a larger pay increase...
1:02am
Learn how to write, spell and use correct grammar
6/19/2014 01:31:00 PM
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uhhhhhh ohhhhhhh. its a grammar police sighting. More than likely its the only policing you have done in your career... now beat it geek.
Take it easy Francis tell mommy it's ok, now gave mommy get you that application from mcdonalds! We are dumb? No asshat you are dumb! To much education maybe? Are your aunts and uncles proud of you??
6/19/2014 11:58:00 AM
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I rest my case. This could, quite possibly, be the dumbest response to anything I have ever heard. You wonder why people have no respect for CPD officers.. Cant spell, cant write, cant read and are all around a bunch of loud mouth know it alls. Now obviously, I dont mean ALL of us.. but I think we all know more than a few who fit this bill.. Including the moronic dope who wrote the above post. We are doomed. Please god tell me this guy is not going to place well on the next sgts list.
Anonymous said...
Is there an indication of what percentage of their health insurance they must pay if they retire before 55?
6/19/2014 08:08:00 AM
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Same as us....FULL BOAT!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cook-county-property-tax-bills-to-have-tif-information-20140619,0,7200950.story
"The amount of total taxes to be paid by Chicago property owners this year is nearly $4.3 billion, according to data from Orr’s office. The city expects about $375.9 million to flow into 151 TIF districts across the city, according to the city budget. More than one in five city properties lies within a TIF district."
375.9 million...
Off topic, but has anyone ever or ever had a spouse that got called for jury duty? My wife got called a couple weeks ago, 26/cal. They gave her a check for $17 and change from County of Cook. And today my bank sends me a letter with a picture of the check saying the check was returned for non-sufficient funds, and I got pinged with a $15 returned check fee to boot. Not that its a big deal, but is Cook County so broke that they can't even cover a $17 jury duty check?
-west side copper
Yes, it happens quite often actually. The judges aren't enforcing payment on fines, because if they did we would have the old debtor's prison system in place. So paying of fines gets dragged out or forgiven after 6 months or when jail time is served on a different charge, they tack on a few more days, fine/time considered served
WTF are you talking about? He wants to know why his wife's jury check from the county bounced. your talking debtors prison,judges not enforcing fines,timwe served
Whats with the "me to " clause. We used to have it now we dont but below is a paragraph from the sgt newsletter and mentions the "me to" clause. Maybe Dean should answer this question once and for all, either we have it or we dont
There is a provision for re-opening the contract for wages, if the state legislature enacts increases to our current pension contributions. Additionally, the "me-too" clause with Fire Local 2 Lieutenants and the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 7 remains intact. If either of these unions is able to gain higher wage increases, we'll get them as well. This means that upon ratification of the contract we will realize an immediate 4% raise in wages; 2% retroactive for the period beginning July 1, 2012, and an additional 2% retroactive for the period beginning January 1, 2013. An additional 2% raise will be realized in a few months on January 1, 2014. The 2015 wage increase awarded is disappointing, but could be affected by the "me-too" or the wage reopener
It IS a big deal! I'd go down to 26/cal with a picture of the check and a copy of your bank statement with the $15 fee and tell them they owe you for both. Obviously it's not a lot of money, but it's the principle!!
Good luck on getting that late fee from the county. You will be lucky to get the jury money. When you go to 26th st just tell the information desk that you would like to talk to the "late fee adjuster" and could they tell you where to go. I'm sure they will be more than happy to tell you where to go.
CTU was told no money ,CFD threatened with manpower reduction , no pay increase , and closing fire houses .
Unions 2 , rahmmie ZERO
6/19/2014 01:32:00 PM
Anonymous said...
good for the firemen. They got a contract because they have experienced negotiators who are not unrealistic. The fop and the coppers dont want to give up anything, dont want to contribute anything but want to be rich every single contract. We are some of the greedies people out there. All the whiners who cry about property taxes (some of the lowest of any big city... for now) catholic schools, tuition etc give me a break.. guess what, your not the only ones. There are people I know with different jobs who make less who are getting by just fine. We are just unrealistic and greedy and we end up shooting ourselves in the foot everytime. You guys(most of you) will sell your soul come contract time for a raise in pay. No matter what we have to give up, what they put extra on us you will do anything for that raise. You dumb mfers will agree to a 50 percent increase in medical expenses just to get a raise even though we end up making less in the end. we are dumb!!!! its that simple! i know, the truth hurts.
This copper could not have been anymore right. I'm not sure how many guys/gals have had other jobs before they became the police but this ain't a bad career at all. The pay and benefits good luck finding it the private sector. Guess what every place and I mean EVERY job has crappy bosses and certain people get taken care of. Who care we still get paid great. So please stop hanging out with only other police and talk to people in the real world who have mortgages, bills, and have to worry about getting laid off. When was the last time a copper got laid off? Take it easy fellas we got it ok.
Anonymous said...
Hey hair gel know it all. Our deal cannot be worse. Ever hear of the me too clause? Put down the 5.11 catalog and read something.
6/19/2014 02:37:00 PM
Fire contract has a me too clause; police contract does not.
-Vitalis Man
20 and out boyz! 20 and out! Less then 5 to go Yahoooooo! Can you dig it
Super Dean isn't going to do anything..He is in Rahm's back pocket..Just watch and see what happens..Of course,Super Dean's Brown-nosing acolytes will come on here,attacking & denying the truth of this comment...
You youngsters don't know this but not that long ago there was a 30 year step raise. So for the lifers who wanted max pension (avg last 4 yrs) you worked 33 and a day. Our illustrious FOP bargained that away and called it wage compression. I still don't get how they argued that as beneficial. More like a paycut
3rd Iraq War
The time is now to have a war for oil.
If we let pres barry have his way the sacrifice of brave Americans will be lost and oil will go through the roof
Super Dean isn't going to do anything..He is in Rahm's back pocket
DeaNo and Jr we get what we voted and paid for NOTHING!
Time for fair share -Decertify
FLOP is just fleecing you of your hard earned money For a book and some stickers Think about it
See you at the fishin derby
I remember marching around city hall.
I remember Jimmy Fallon Too FLOP has lost its way
We need a union
Hey hair gel know it all. Our deal cannot be worse. Ever hear of the me too clause? Put down the 5.11 catalog and read something.
HA Youse an Idiota
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Hey hair gel know it all. Our deal cannot be worse. Ever hear of the me too clause? Put down the 5.11 catalog and read something.
Hey know it all, only fire has the me too clause not us, so maybe u should put down whatever u reading
>>>Anonymous said...
The Daley Crime Family loved the CFD. Richie Daley's MiniMe Raccoon Eyes loves the CFD too.
6/19/2014 11:15:00 AM<<<
Richard J. Daley grew up with Commissioner Robert Quinn. Quinn pulled a lot of stunts like running the air raid sirens when the Sox won the pennant on a few other things. So Old Man Daley took care of Quinn and thus the CFD but he didn't love anybody outside of the that tight Bridgeport clan.
Richie and Rahm love no one. It seems that they prefer to be feared and hated as long as they have control.
Now Jane Byrne really did love the CPD and demonstrated that many times. She was the widow of a Marine Corps pilot who died in the line of duty.
I have seen here a few times since Richie M. Daley screwed up the 1983 election just to get rid of her. I always said she was missed. We got Harold Washington and all things considered compared to Richie and Rahm wasn't all that bad.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/detroit-rolls-out-new-model-a-hybrid-pension-plan/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&hp&_r=1&
"In the face of Detroit’s tumultuous bankruptcy proceedings, in which multiple parties are quarreling to protect their interests, the city and its unions have quietly negotiated a scaled-back pension plan that could serve as a model for other troubled governments."
Anonymous said...
Once again you get another decrease in your standard of living. 2% (essentially) increase in pay while taxes and inflation rise at a greater rate
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Another fucking idiot heard from.
Listen assfuck, grow the fuck up and realize the world you live in will ya?
In what fucking world has the majority of private sector workers gotten a guaranteed 11% wage increase over the next 5 years without losing benefits?
You fucking cry about the standard of living etc.... the fucking private sector suffers from that same SOL increase you do idiot.... and the vast majority isn't getting a guaranteed 11% raise.
So shut the fuck up you greedy asshole and save your bullshit for the inevitable pension givebacks that the city is going to try and embarrass you with... because if you get the same as fire absent any pension givebacks you've gotten far more than the private sector has gotten in years.
And you can shove any fucking comments about how the private sector doesn't do the same job you do... you fucking get paid from those same taxpayers... they don't get what you may get so you need to shut the fuck up since you beat them again in compensation.
Some motherfuckers are just so fucking greedy they refuse to acknowledge the absolute fact that if the wages of the people who pay our salary don't go up we have no fucking right to demand that ours go up any better. They'll STILL bitch they didn't get a raise that makes THEM happy regardless of whether or not the people that PAY our salary got any pay increase at all to afford paying OUR raise.
People like you are an embarrassment.
Put down the 5.11 catalog and read something.
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Well said brother, why is with the new breed copper' and the 4-11 clothing line. You hair gels need sixty pockets. Good Lord, you young bucks look like you work in the old stock yards on 31 street. The sixty yard black boots with 50 loops are too much. You think you look cool running around in 007 wearing all that shit.
Us recently retired guys came on with a holster, ammo pouch, and a pait of cuffs. And most of us always varried 2 pistols. The extra was usually a single action Colt 45, cocked and locked.
You hair jewels ever unloaded a wheel gun ? Those plastic Glock's are a joke. Get yourself a used colt detective 38 special.
Now you hair gels look like you are line men for Edison.
God save the Queen !!!!!
11% that won't even cover the costs of clothing all their family members in CFD tshirts 24-7.
Rahm is giving into to union demands so that when the pension talks start and he declares a property tax increase he can show that it is the unions that are the problem. Look at their pensions! Look at their pay! Look at their benefits! Smoke and mirrors is still alive and well. Cops and firemen will take the blame and the city will cover its ass once again.
West side copper, why did you ever let your wife have to go through with jury duty, especially at 26th and Cal? Unless the notice arrived certified mail, it never arrived.
20 & out ! Only 18 more to go ! I'm going to start my own hair gel business... "Slick Boys"
Here it is folks, or people, whomever you prefer to roll with-
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80556849/
..this is the end goal for all public workers. North riverside is the test subject... privatization. Why do you think they done pay the pension debt. This is what rauner wants!
Anonymous said...
only 2% a minute amount for health insurance.
sound familar to you old guys,
We use to get our insurance for free then for a small raise we soldout then the increases in our share. then the H.M.O. policies cheaper but shitty coverage.Then expensive policy started to decline.Need pre-approval forget to get it. tough luck you are now responsible for everything on
your own.and that does not count toward you out of pocket limits. Nothing seems to count toward out of pocket. You have to buy generic drugs that contain more additives than cigarettes. The retirees will be put in obamacare paying who knows what but gurantee it will be more than 2% before you know it and you will not get any government subsidy. But you will sellout for that 2% raise cause you are never going to get sick.forget the raise you will have work an extra 15years and still not be even with your medical bills rant over.
6/19/2014 12:41:00 PM
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Hey sonny boy, you might be interested to know that there was no such thing as paid hospitalization insurance until the late 60's or early 70's. If you wanted it you paid for it. Granted it was very inexpensive, but medical costs were a fraction of what they are today.
You should also be aware that at no time was I ever explicitly or implicitly promised free, lifetime health insurance.
Get facts before you post.
They'll STILL bitch they didn't get a raise that makes THEM happy regardless of whether or not the people that PAY our salary got any pay increase at all to afford paying OUR raise.
People like you are an embarrassment
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A lot of anger there. Stop drinking the cool-aid dude. If it is bad for everyone then unionize or stfu.
I know many fireman and they are good guys, God bless them. That being said they can go fuck themselves. Me too? BS. Look up the City of Chicago website, it lists job descriptions, firefighter, "laborer," "policeman" professional. There are educational requirements for police officer. There is far more training/responsibility for the police department. There are yearly qualifications. Our academy last a year CFD like three months. We conduct investigation we write reports, we testify in court we are held accountable. We are held to a higher standard not CFD period. We need additional education for promotions. Many units allow for watch changes without any notice. The list goes on and on. This isn't sour grapes this is the truth. You can't compares apples to oranges. Don't get me wrong I like my job but seriously FOP wake the fuck up!
Anonymous said...
good for the firemen. They got a contract because they have experienced negotiators who are not unrealistic. The fop and the coppers dont want to give up anything, dont want to contribute anything but want to be rich every single contract. We are some of the greedies people out there. All the whiners who cry about property taxes (some of the lowest of any big city... for now) catholic schools, tuition etc give me a break.. guess what, your not the only ones. There are people I know with different jobs who make less who are getting by just fine. We are just unrealistic and greedy and we end up shooting ourselves in the foot everytime. You guys(most of you) will sell your soul come contract time for a raise in pay. No matter what we have to give up, what they put extra on us you will do anything for that raise. You dumb mfers will agree to a 50 percent increase in medical expenses just to get a raise even though we end up making less in the end. we are dumb!!!! its that simple! i know, the truth hurts.
6/19/2014 01:02:00 AM
We are unrealistic and greedy?
Go f__k yourself.
I have a question for everyone out there I called the pensions boards both Police and Fire and asked if we can sue to force them to make their payment as non-payment diminishes the pension benefits which goes against the Illinois constitution! Their answer by some secretary was "oh we can't do that" so I said why and was told because the "Mayor won't like that" shed said the board had a verbal agreement with the Old Mayor "Daley" as to "don't rock the boat".
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You're a fucking idiot who doesn't have intelligence to actually do some fact checking before you go spouting bullshit aren't you?
First off, your claims of what the pension boards told you is a fucking lie, plain and simple. No pension personnel would ever make an official statement as fucking stupid as you claim although they may in jest make something like it because they too don't have a fucking clue.
So because you're too lazy or stupid to find this information for yourself here it is:
The City has been sued multiple times in the past by multiple pension boards in an attempt to force them to pay what they owe.
In EVERY case the pension boards lost their suit and it was always for the same reason:
The pension protection clause does NOT guarantee funding levels in any manner. It only ensures that the contractual obligations that every pensioner is to receive when they retire is paid.
So break it down for the truly simple:
The article guarantees you will be paid what you are owed, it does NOT force them to fund it.
Notwithstanding the current lawsuits against cuts to pensions, the article ensures you will be paid, regardless of how they have to come up with the money.
It also means that government's schemes to refuse to fund it so they can force it to collapse and distribute the money to their friends will fail in court, since the very second a pensioner gets a penny less than what is owed they will prevail in a suit against the government, which then may open the door for punitive damages for willful failure to ensure that payment was made and deliberate attempts to violate the article itself.
And for those who think they constitution can be altered to destroy what is a contractual obligation of the state and city just because they don't want to pay, wrong again.
Contracts cannot be dissolved by the government in any attempt to blow off a debt they owe. Federal contract law supersedes state and municipal law in this regard.
The best the tax thieves can ever hope to accomplish is to tax pensions and/or eliminate them for future employees.
The End
You guys are forgetting that the CFD is in the Wellness program, which CPD is not. Don't expect the same contract unless we agree to go into it...which would be terrible.
ME TOO, Kinda?. nope sorry cpd, you look purty, bend over
Anonymous said...
You youngsters don't know this but not that long ago there was a 30 year step raise. So for the lifers who wanted max pension (avg last 4 yrs) you worked 33 and a day. Our illustrious FOP bargained that away and called it wage compression. I still don't get how they argued that as beneficial. More like a paycut
6/19/2014 09:56:00 PM
Who the hell in their right mind would stay 30+ years now? The 30 year step was eliminated because everyone thought coppers had a brain and would never stay that long anymore! Guess they thought wrong with you huh?
Old man Daley, Jane Byrne and Harold Washington were the best mayors in Chicago .
Rahmmie pushed shortshanks out .
They could not deliver the Olympics , lost to a country with 2x Chicago murder rate .
Anonymous said...
Put down the 5.11 catalog and read something.
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Well said brother, why is with the new breed copper' and the 4-11 clothing line. You hair gels need sixty pockets. Good Lord, you young bucks look like you work in the old stock yards on 31 street. The sixty yard black boots with 50 loops are too much. You think you look cool running around in 007 wearing all that shit.
Us recently retired guys came on with a holster, ammo pouch, and a pait of cuffs. And most of us always varried 2 pistols. The extra was usually a single action Colt 45, cocked and locked.
You hair jewels ever unloaded a wheel gun ? Those plastic Glock's are a joke. Get yourself a used colt detective 38 special.
Now you hair gels look like you are line men for Edison.
God save the Queen !!!!!
Whatever they're giving you at the old folks home, I want some. Dude you are smoked.
cpd has never had a me too clause....we negotiated first and the rest took what we got...or they went first and then we did better and they got what we got...30yrs on job and we've never had me too
We have a job where:
1) we could lose life or limb
2) work holidays, weekends, evenings and overnights, court etc
3) are exposed to communicable disease and deplorable hygiene
4) subjected to stressful situations several times per tour, where a mistake could kill or maim you or land you in jail
5) have a higher divorce rate than other occupations
6) are being prepped for the scenario that TIF funds and free government cellular phones are more important than the pension we were promised
7) work secondary employment to make ends meet or for something extra
I don't know where you get off calling us greedy, if you are a troll stop comparing us to you because you cannot. If you are a cop go to headquarters and look in the fallen star case and ask for forgiveness.
Hey hair gel know it all. Our deal cannot be worse. Ever hear of the me too clause? Put down the 5.11 catalog and read something.
HA Youse an Idiota
Old timer here,retired,kid on the job. Unfortunately time appears to have passed you by. The FOP does NOT have a me too clause. They negotiated it away a while back. Only the CFD has the me too clause. You can take that to the bank and it you dont believe it call the FOP or ask Dean at the next meeting. Believe me if FOP had it ,it would have been in the last newsletter stating we can do no worse than the 11% because of the me too clause
You youngsters don't know this but not that long ago there was a 30 year step raise. So for the lifers who wanted max pension (avg last 4 yrs) you worked 33 and a day. Our illustrious FOP bargained that away and called it wage compression. I still don't get how they argued that as beneficial. More like a paycut
You said a mouthful I retired in 2007 and was on over 35 years and received that 30 year pay rte for my last 4 years. Dont know how the FOPsold that wage compression deal because you did reach max after 29 and a day,but lost the 30 year raise. It was a pay cut for anyone with over 30 years on the job.
Mayor Harold Washington gave a 18% pay raise over a 3 year contract with the FOP.We've never had that kind of pay raise since then.
Stop your f-cking crying already, we don't register to vote and those that do, only 5% of them vote. We have no voice/power, and the politicians have all the voter registration numbers. So please, you'all stop your f-cking crying already. The FOP should set up voter registration at the hall for anytime, not just the meetings. FOP should have a crew out to the districts to register PO's.. And the FOP picnic and huge golf outing, you can't participate unless you register to vote. Have voter registration set up at these events and manned by PO's that are registrars.
Listen assfuck, grow the fuck up and realize the world you live in will ya?
In what fucking world has the majority of private sector workers gotten a guaranteed 11% wage increase over the next 5 years without losing benefits?
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The same fucking world that says public and private salaries have to have precise parity, assfuck
The City knows they're negotiating w/a group that has a minimal understanding of COLA. No one in they're right mind would even consider any form of a diluted COLA. Purchasing power is going 2B a crucial issue come retirement.
to 9:56,
You are 100% correct, Wage Compression was a scam. Have to wonder who benefited from that one.
We had a guy in 025 make out a chart on wage compression vs non-compression. All compression did was take away a step raise (the 10 year step raise, and the measly 30 year step). The capt's were given the same tables, and told the city to shove Compression during negotiations. The city was pushing "Compression" on the Capt's, not the other way around.
There were also, at that time, already plenty of questions about how our pension could possibly handle reducing the retirement age, and the obvious answer was "that's the city's problem".
That new unit commanded by a chief can track every car to attack crime . Sure they can , they could not find 12 cars parked outside the city limits at bourbon street for 2-3 hours . Good thing Pam z is on the job .
Those merit xo captains couldn't find a beat car off best of out of district . That is why Sergeants run the Districts .
Xo rank all appointed , many were Merit sarge sand Merit lts
Pay raise, retro etc. all that stuff is nice but the absolute most important thing we must ensure is that we don't give in to pension "reform" aka give backs.
The politicians stole our pension money now let them explain that to the taxpayers as they gouge them.
Anonymous said...
Ok fop, ok dean they set the precedent, hey dean or fop can you answer this question? If a copper 55-59 puts in for the free health care before the new contract is inked, (signed for some at fop), is the health card free? Example I put in now for next year as we are required to put in by October 01 of present year for next year, we retire next year would we get the free, as we signed the agreement on the city we retirement page that clearly states and we check the box for the FREE health care!
Or would it be if we sign for it , then the city and fop says no you have to pay 2% can the process be stopped if we say no to the 2%? Just wondering our fop rep has no clue and trying to get an answer from fop via phone call is like finding a diamond in the sky!
6/19/2014 05:30:00 PM
Yes.
--Dean
We should get what fire has. Great I like manning 5 cops on every truck. Brilliant
West side copper, why did you ever let your wife have to go through with jury duty, especially at 26th and Cal? Unless the notice arrived certified mail, it never arrived.
What jury duty notice. I nor any of my family ever received one in the mail. Never for over 30 years
Anonymous said...
Once again you get another decrease in your standard of living. 2% (essentially) increase in pay while taxes and inflation rise at a greater rate
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Another fucking idiot heard from.
Listen assfuck, grow the fuck up and realize the world you live in will ya?
In what fucking world has the majority of private sector workers gotten a guaranteed 11% wage increase over the next 5 years without losing benefits?
You fucking cry about the standard of living etc.... the fucking private sector suffers from that same SOL increase you do idiot.... and the vast majority isn't getting a guaranteed 11% raise.
So shut the fuck up you greedy asshole and save your bullshit for the inevitable pension givebacks that the city is going to try and embarrass you with... because if you get the same as fire absent any pension givebacks you've gotten far more than the private sector has gotten in years.
And you can shove any fucking comments about how the private sector doesn't do the same job you do... you fucking get paid from those same taxpayers... they don't get what you may get so you need to shut the fuck up since you beat them again in compensation.
Some motherfuckers are just so fucking greedy they refuse to acknowledge the absolute fact that if the wages of the people who pay our salary don't go up we have no fucking right to demand that ours go up any better. They'll STILL bitch they didn't get a raise that makes THEM happy regardless of whether or not the people that PAY our salary got any pay increase at all to afford paying OUR raise.
People like you are an embarrassment.
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Please tell me what private sector jobs you are talking about ???? All my friends work in the "private sector". They all make more than me and have perks and raises that you wouldn't believe. Do u know even other public service jobs blow our salary out if the water ! We are under paid you idiot! U must be a city/shitty company man. Probably have "time on the job" .
9:19 please enlighten us as to how the wellness program is terrible.
Starting pay for City of Chicago Fire Hydrant Inspector is $70,000 a year.
Anonymous said...
I have a question for everyone out there I called the pensions boards both Police and Fire and asked if we can sue to force them to make their payment as non-payment diminishes the pension benefits which goes against the Illinois constitution! Their answer by some secretary was "oh we can't do that" so I said why and was told because the "Mayor won't like that" shed said the board had a verbal agreement with the Old Mayor "Daley" as to "don't rock the boat".
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You're a fucking idiot who doesn't have intelligence to actually do some fact checking before you go spouting bullshit aren't you?
First off, your claims of what the pension boards told you is a fucking lie, plain and simple. No pension personnel would ever make an official statement as fucking stupid as you claim although they may in jest make something like it because they too don't have a fucking clue.
So because you're too lazy or stupid to find this information for yourself here it is:
The City has been sued multiple times in the past by multiple pension boards in an attempt to force them to pay what they owe.
In EVERY case the pension boards lost their suit and it was always for the same reason:
The pension protection clause does NOT guarantee funding levels in any manner. It only ensures that the contractual obligations that every pensioner is to receive when they retire is paid.
So break it down for the truly simple:
The article guarantees you will be paid what you are owed, it does NOT force them to fund it.
Notwithstanding the current lawsuits against cuts to pensions, the article ensures you will be paid, regardless of how they have to come up with the money.
It also means that government's schemes to refuse to fund it so they can force it to collapse and distribute the money to their friends will fail in court, since the very second a pensioner gets a penny less than what is owed they will prevail in a suit against the government, which then may open the door for punitive damages for willful failure to ensure that payment was made and deliberate attempts to violate the article itself.
And for those who think they constitution can be altered to destroy what is a contractual obligation of the state and city just because they don't want to pay, wrong again.
Contracts cannot be dissolved by the government in any attempt to blow off a debt they owe. Federal contract law supersedes state and municipal law in this regard.
The best the tax thieves can ever hope to accomplish is to tax pensions and/or eliminate them for future employees.
The End
6/20/2014 08:56:00 AM
You are correct,Sir!
All just scare tactics used by the city to get us to cave in at negotiation time.
If the FOP does their job,we'll be fine.
If they don't,they'll be gone in the next election.
I don't remember getting much in the way of a raise in the late 90's and early 2000's when the private sector was doing so well that they had a difficult time finding people to test for this job.
Public v. Private sector, the tortoise and the hare, the private sector is the hare and gets huge increases from time to time and then stops. We are the tortoise, we plod along at the same pace.
I remember marching around city hall.
What do we want, a contact
when do we want it, now
Maybe that should be reposted to remind everyone.
6/19/2014 02:15:00 AM
You dumbass. That accomplished nothing but more hatred from the public. Marching? Are you serious? Ridiculous.
Should be going to arbitration right now. Watch out for the PHD running this union. Going to be a shocker. Union presidents DO NTO SIT DOWN WITH THEIR ADVERSARY AND HAVE LUNCH! EVER. Rahminator is salivating with the old nolan regime throwback..
"And for those who think they constitution can be altered to destroy what is a contractual obligation of the state and city just because they don't want to pay, wrong again.
Contracts cannot be dissolved by the government in any attempt to blow off a debt they owe. Federal contract law supersedes state and municipal law in this regard.
The best the tax thieves can ever hope to accomplish is to tax pensions and/or eliminate them for future employees."
6/20/2014 08:56:00 AM
Remember, in 2020, 6 years hence, the entire constitution can legally be opened for "adjustment." At that time pension law in the constitution can be changed along with the entire state constitution. A resolution asking for approval of a State Constitutional Convention will be on the ballot then, by law.
Fellas/Gals; Get your union to show how many in a 1 man car get injured, call for help, need instant back-up, etc. and take those figures to negotiations showing that you want 2 man cars ALL the time. Then give it to the media and your PR people.
You should not be out in this city ALONE.
Remember, in 2020, 6 years hence, the entire constitution can legally be opened for "adjustment." At that time pension law in the constitution can be changed along with the entire state constitution. A resolution asking for approval of a State Constitutional Convention will be on the ballot then, by law
Then lets worry about that then. At least I will have my 6 more COLA raises
Remember, in 2020, 6 years hence, the entire constitution can legally be opened for "adjustment." At that time pension law in the constitution can be changed along with the entire state constitution. A resolution asking for approval of a State Constitutional Convention will be on the ballot then, by law.
Just remember what you said. It CAN be opened but doesnt have to be
It has to be brought up for a vote and fails almost all the time, I believe the last time in 2008 and was badly defeated.
Below is a SHORT explanation
Article XIV requires that Illinois voters be asked at least every 20 years if they desire a constitutional convention.[7] In 1988 the measure failed 900,109 votes for and 2,727,144 against the measure. 1,069,939 other voters chose neither option.[8] In 2008, there was an effort by citizens to support a convention and was supported by a book Illinois Deserves Better written by activist John Bambenek. Ultimately, the measure was also defeated by a wide margin,[9] 1,493,203 votes for and 3,062,724 against from a total of 5,539,172 votes cast. 983,245 voters chose neither option
Yes should have kept 30 year step raise , same pension plan + 1% pension increase for every year over 30 years up to 80% . Shortshanks saved 20,000,000 and laughing at flop.
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