FOP Tries a Last Shot
- The union that represents Chicago police wants to halt the release of internal investigation files for alleged police misconduct.
In an injunction filed Monday in Cook County circuit court, the Fraternal Order of Police claims the release of the information would “unfairly and vexatiously harm the individual officers named therein.” The FOP wants to keep the city from releasing the lists until it has reviewed them for accuracy, according to the injunction. The union claims in the injunction that it’s aware of at least 12 officers whose names are improperly included in some of the files.
A three-judge panel of the Illinois Appeals Court ruled in March that such files would not be exempt from the Illinois Freedom of Information Act. The appellate court’s ruling found that records related to citizen complaints of police misconduct are a matter of public record.
Given that sloppy paperwork that is typical of any large bureaucracy, the City of Chicago has taken notoriously inaccurate record keeping and shoddy paperwork to a science. If the FOP found 12 officers with inaccurate records, you can bet that there are at least 120.
We even heard that there was once a mayor who kept almost no records at all of crooked contracts and such, and when he got a friendly doctor to say he was a bit forgetful, there was hardly a scrap of paper to hang him on or contradict his nonexistent testimony.
As we said - a long shot, but one that could save a hundred or more guys and gals from being painted with an undeserved brush.
We even heard that there was once a mayor who kept almost no records at all of crooked contracts and such, and when he got a friendly doctor to say he was a bit forgetful, there was hardly a scrap of paper to hang him on or contradict his nonexistent testimony.
As we said - a long shot, but one that could save a hundred or more guys and gals from being painted with an undeserved brush.
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posted by SCC at 6:01 AM
61 Comments:
Here is the kicker: per Article VIII, section 8.2 of the contract, all CR files will be destroyed in 5 years. IAD has been lazy and violated the contract by NEVER destroying files. Guess what, if the file exists-it gets turned over by FOIA. Files from the early 90s which should have been shredded years and years ago are being handed over.
Today (Tuesday) is supposed to be a demonstration asking for McCarthy's resignation at Headquarters.
Do you think this group has any weight to push the agenda? If so, do they have a viable candidate they want to see replace him?
If McCarthy resigns, will they finally get a real cop superintendent OR will they just get another razzle-dazzle, "drinking buddy" politician?
It's time for REAL leadership. This could be Rahm's crowning decision to hire a REAL Copper's Copper. His poll numbers would surge.
Politically - if Rahm is as smart as he thinks he is, this is a time for him to put in Sheriff Arpaio and say - Chicago is going to be cleaned up once and for all.
A guy like Arpaio wouldn't take crap from anyone and probably push out half the merit white shirts.
Now THAT is real leadership and THAT will NEVER happen in Chicago.
WHY? Because Rahm isn't as politically astute as he - and his media cheerleaders - thinks he is.
FOI ought to be close to sacred. There should be far fewer hidden government records.
If there are mistakes in the records the records can and should be corrected.
It is not like it is going to make all that much difference one way or the other anyway.
I'm pretty sure I'm not on this list, I hope they do put me on accidentally it would make for a good lawsuit. Defamation of character. Hostile work environment, harassment etc... Might even try the race card.
1 contact card and 1 bus check and you guys could avoid a lot of this aggravation.
How about a contact
OT: Right to Carry Works!
July 24, USA Today – (Pennsylvania) Pa. doctor shoots patient who killed caseworker. A psychiatric outpatient opened fire July 24 in an office at the Mercy Wellness Center of Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital in Delaware County, Pennsylvania, killing a caseworker and injuring a doctor who reportedly exchanged gunfire with the suspect, wounding the outpatient.
This doctor probably saved many more lives with his actions!
I was telling an Alsip cop about his and he said that it's all info that can be FOIA'd and we are the last ones who don't publicly have this available. Is this true?
off topic, but is it the end of days? Mary Mitchell for the 2nd time going for stop & frisk. What next lambs & lions lying together, fish flying, snakes walking. After all those years of beating on the police in her column in the sun-times she now wants the police to do something.
OT: Did anybody catch the bit in the news the other day regarding the auto fuel E-15? The Ethanol people (corn growers, ethanol lobby, large agricultural conglomerates, i.e. ADM etc.) are on a push in favor of E-15 as a new widely available motor fuel for cars, small trucks etc.
But the petroleum industry is against it, that means 5% less gasoline as ethanol is increases from the max now of 10%. And auto makers are against it as it presents more problems for cars. Ethanol (alcohol) absorbs water and if there are problems with your car the warranty likely won't cover it if it can be traced to E15 fuel.
Then I read that none other than old guard Alderman Ed Burke is not only in favor of E15 but wants to introduce a City ordinance mandating that gas stations install an E15 pump at stations in Chicago. All stations that sell medium to high volume of gas would be required to install an E15 pump.
Why do you think that is? Maybe Ed Burke is suddenly an environmentalist and wants to stamp out global warming. Or maybe the ethanol lobby has gotten to him in the form of campaign contributions already made or yet to come.
I smell a rat. This shit doesn't just happen out of the blue. Not if Ed Burke is involved. Not in Chicago.
Only Sustained CR NUMBERS should be Public Info. All others would be in violation of an Officers Constitutional Rights.
"vexatiously".
Not a word that you hear every day.
Ot
Wgn reports that the mayor and police are excited that MORE POLICE on CTA has reduced crime on the trains! Really more cops help reduce crime
I am glad they are even trying.
In 009 in the 90's there was an organized effort by the blackstones to curtail police work by beefing to OPS. They hammered working police with BS CR#'s. It backfired on them. Hold your heads high officers! God bless you all
So does this mean the lists will still be released eventually? I still think the fop should of did something in April before it got to this point. The fop website has some spin written by an attorney saying we have no grounds to get involved, which is BS! Anyone party can become involved at anytime upon becoming aware of fresh and new evidence....there is always new evidence.
Release them. You know for a fact that the city is going to put out an incorrect list containing errors. I'd look forward to the lawsuit if my name was on the list.
Just a Citizen here but I think these files should be kept confidential. Sorry LEO'S it's getting harder and harder for you to be the Police and protect us law abiding Citizens.
Let the city release the wrong files!
The officers then can file a lawsuit stating they cannot be promoted because the city put out wrong info.
Of course the officers would have to care...
I will give credit to Angelo. he personally took the time to time to call and explain the ruling and what the outcome would be. He answered every question and was very professional. Hopefully he handles the contract in a similar fashion.
Too late!
FOP, asleep at the switch, like a Captain of a cruise ship!
BAMM!
Off topic but related, FRAN SPEILMAN, doing her best whore number for the sun times, with the story, front page, about the million dollar settlement for the family of 17 year old high school star who was gunned down by police, and of course she has to mention shot in back , because that sounds so much like he was murdered.....is she so ignorant to the fact that these fools take shots at police and run away, and that the police are trained to shoot someone who is still a threat, even though he's running away????? Only this old battle axe puppet reporter could keep pumping out propaganda to make a splash with everybody. Be a real reporter and leave it alone, there was a gun recovered and even though he had no record, that doesn't mean he wasn't a thug at heart. Waste of 1.2 million .
The E-15 in Chiraq won't affect me. I haven't bought gas in this town in 10+ years. These dunderheads in the city council actually believe that there is nothing out side of the city limits. Kinda like the Flat Earth Society.
So the Foia should also be for chronic beefers?
The person filing the complaints info should be nice and readable for all to see.
Then future employer can see how these nice people "gets" picked on and drugs end up in the backseat.
Or how the swing at the police when the "gets" high and the police stomped them to hard.
The E-15 in Chiraq won't affect me. I haven't bought gas in this town in 10+ years. These dunderheads in the city council actually believe that there is nothing out side of the city limits. Kinda like the Flat Earth Society.
Wont affect alot of people. If they pass this more people will buy their gas in the suburbs, just like they do the bottled water after the mayor decided to add a 10 cent a bottle tax on the water. Havent bought one since and the mayor wonders why the bottled water tax has decreased DUH
Great Job! Lets also expose Obama's school records etc. Lets expose Emmanuels conversations with Obama and Valerie Jarrett with Jesse Jr. and Rob Blago. Lets expose Daleys involvement with the lakefront. Lets expose Quinn buying votes from the corrupt reverends. etc etc etc. Hell is full of democrats.
Zzzzzz!
YAAAAWWWWWN!
>Stretch - FART!<
"Huh?"
The above is the most strenuous thing FOP has done since the new regime was elected.
The noise they're making now is just for show.
Watch Rahm release these error riddled files out of pure spite and dare Dean Angelo to say "boo" if a damned thing about it.
Notice that last 48 hours or so of the scum-times and the fibune pushing some more of Rahm's "dirty up The Police" campaign because Rahm is getting a little chafed about the fire being turned up under his ass since the 4th of July weekend revealed that he actually has no answer or strategy to solve these inner city death cultists.
Well, no other answer or strategy than beating on The Police and droning about "efficiencies" while denying them the resources to give the good people of Chicago some semblance of public safety.
There has to be another answer than stealing so much of depleted Police resources and diverting them to these rank, hate filled, fetid fever swamps of willful ignorance and death worship on the South and West sides where the rotting corpses of good intentions lay on the fever ridden, piss and sweat drenched, shit stained mattresses where those same good intentions died and will continue to die miserably.
They hate upright society and reject every positive premise of it because they and their political masters fear eventually being unable to play up and exploit the victomology card.
It will be a good day when the rest of society puts them apart to fend for themselves.
"But y'all gotta keep givin' us yo' money an' shit right? Cuz if you don't, we gonna be mad!"
You can't integrate and peacefully co-exist with m/fers who have/desire no common shared values... No matter what the liberal loony left says or does.
This is how societies and nations are hollowed out from within.
Progressivism is evil.
If Rahm says "fuck you coppers, imma release these files any fucking way" and coppers sue the city, Rahm is just going to use taxpayer money to fight it...
Now... If Rahm's personal wealth were to somehow be put at risk for this dumb shit he's doing, you'd better believe he would cease playing "The Bull-Shit Game" in a fucking heart beat.
There. Has to. Be. A way...
How come FOP doesn't have vicious lawyers and P.Is on retainer to push back the city and the media?
ALWAYS wondered about that...
Since so much money seemed to has be pissed away over the years on silly shit instead of toward being hard targets that are very costly and painful for city hall and the anal whore media to rub against.
"We can't have you Cops fighting us back. The public might side with you against US!"
Fop? What's that?...
Smh
Too late!
FOP, asleep at the switch, like a Captain of a cruise ship!
BAMM!
7/29/2014 04:01:00 PM
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Shields elected to not be part of the court battle in 2009 because he feared high legal cost and opted to have only the city fight it. Once the city laid down the fop can't by law file an appeal, only an injunction to delay it
Anonymous said...
1 contact card and 1 bus check and you guys could avoid a lot of this aggravation.
7/29/2014 07:57:00 AM
LOL!!! you think doing a contact card is free from getting a CR? you know so little. anyone can complain on you for anything, and they don't need proof.
Anonymous said...
Only Sustained CR NUMBERS should be Public Info. All others would be in violation of an Officers Constitutional Rights.
7/29/2014 10:16:00 AM
i agree. put my name on the list, and i'll pull out every card i have. there are enough lawyers out there to take this case. if the city wants to put hundreds of officers on the stand and spend millions fighting it, be my guest. i look forward to it. if i can't get my retro check, i'll make it up this way.
Anonymous said...
Release them. You know for a fact that the city is going to put out an incorrect list containing errors. I'd look forward to the lawsuit if my name was on the list.
7/29/2014 01:10:00 PM
+1
Anonymous said...
Let the city release the wrong files!
The officers then can file a lawsuit stating they cannot be promoted because the city put out wrong info.
Of course the officers would have to care...
7/29/2014 03:10:00 PM
they don't have to care. let the blood sucking lawyers do our dirty deed. there are lawyers who will work for free and want 35% + fees after the settlement.
I believe the sustained CR's are a fair game for the FOIA. But anything other than those sustained ones should be excluded. Don't be afraid to seek out a lawyer if you believe you are being treated unfairly. Keep a record of everything, write down notes when possible, especially when dealing with supervisors. We have our rights too. Be safe!
Shields was not president of the FOP! In 2009.
Dep Chief S.G. swears that there is no manpower shortage. All RDO's cancelled 01-03 Aug. $$$
Release the personal info of the people making the complaints - criminal histories - IRS info and employment history. Fair is fair
If the city did not purge the CR' after five years and hand them over. File on them, many statues cover this and you will get a judgement. The civilians even at the old headquarters were 90 percent useless and half of them played games with records destroying rp sheets on their family and friends. Seen it happen to me on numerious times. This before all was automated. They probadly still do the puging with a keyboard of "delate" the file.
I am retired and you young men and women start document everything, everyday. Buy steno pads and it only takes a few minutes. If your unit has a time stamp, time stamp every page even if the notes are different date then the stamp.
Start playing back with the city that is looking to jam up hard working people.
The old bosses document everything when they wanted to fuck a copper.
If the squad is unsafe, document it and name the bosses you told.
Some copper' needed a good screwing in my day's but they were the minority in numbers.
Start grouping together and plan ahead any litigation.
The city does not play fair now, They are only interested in screwing the working guys.
Start a march on the hall to get rid of that drunk. Jodi was a prince and you went after him. Also Cline was no gift to the street copper or dick.
Be safe all.
It must be getting down to "REAL MONEY" time in the contract negotiations.
Both papers are running simultaneous anti-Police hit pieces on Rahm al-Ghoul's orders.
Anonymous said...
In 009 in the 90's there was an organized effort by the blackstones to curtail police work by beefing to OPS. They hammered working police with BS CR#'s. It backfired on them. Hold your heads high officers! God bless you all
7/29/2014 12:20:00 PM
I was in 009 from 1987-1997.
A GREAT place to work & you're 100% correct!
I had the pleasure to work with a lot of great policemen & even better people during my time in 009.
Especially Danny "Cool Breeze" Brzezicki.
A great guy to have your back when things went south.
R.I.P. buddy....... John L.
Happy I retired had six 6 CR's in five days!! Lol
off topic, but is it the end of days? Mary Mitchell for the 2nd time going for stop & frisk. What next lambs & lions lying together, fish flying, snakes walking. After all those years of beating on the police in her column in the sun-times she now wants the police to do something.
7/29/2014 09:48:00 AM
Expect to see monkeys flying outta my ass if she writes one more sensible column.
State law also says the records be removed the fop should move and file an unfair labor practice against the city
They should release the names of people who have called IPRA and filed a beef against the police more than once in 3 years.
"Shields elected to not be part of the court battle in 2009 because he feared high legal cost"
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Shields feared high legal costs? With your checkbook?
All Signs Point to No!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm pretty sure I'm not on this list, I hope they do put me on accidentally it would make for a good lawsuit. Defamation of character. Hostile work environment, harassment etc... Might even try the race card.
7/29/2014 07:37:00 AM
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John Marshall must be putting diplomas in Cracker Jack boxes now.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dep Chief S.G. swears that there is no manpower shortage. All RDO's cancelled 01-03 Aug. $$$
7/29/2014 10:14:00 PM
Well, of course! Ari Emanuel's big turf destruction festival starts that day in Grant Park.
OT Why is it that FOP can't put in obituaries on their website in a timely manner?
Today they had 3 or 4 retirees who died on 17 July,now almost two weeks later they posted the deaths after they were buried. Plus the officer who died in the vehicle accident. That was a week or more late.
Awakening for most, CR files never go away. Law and court decisions supersede contract language. The lodge keeps the language in the contract in the event that law is ever changed or overturned, we are then protected administratively and the City can't make changes. FOP needs to address this and appropriately notify officers how it really works.
The list is out!
The city "loses" homicide files. How can they keep track of not sustained beefs ?
We all know how NOT TO GET CR#s,
Right?
Okay then.
Too late. List released today via Slum-Times website to accompany the article about those corrupt fuckers Herrera and Finnegan!
Many good, once hardworking coppers, are on the list.
Anyone who thinks the department/city destroys any internal investigative files is just plain wrong. The files stay around even long after you have retired. I don't care what any contract language states. This I know from working there and from personal experience.
Anonymous said...
OT Why is it that FOP can't put in obituaries on their website in a timely manner?
Today they had 3 or 4 retirees who died on 17 July,now almost two weeks later they posted the deaths after they were buried. Plus the officer who died in the vehicle accident. That was a week or more late.
7/30/2014 10:02:00 AM
Look at retirements on website over a year old if they cannot maintain a website how can they be expected to negotiate a contract?
Give the public what they want they want police, stand there and look pretty with the uniform thats given zero respect and the gun you dare not use. Give them that. By the way, don't talk because someones feelings might be hurt. Pretend like you care. Because if you care and enforce the laws 99% of the time, you will be liable for complaints. Unfortunately all this lawsuit will do is make the police take less risks, and less enforcement. Well: public, thank the attorneys for this lawsuit when you wonder why crime is spiraling out of control as it is now. Maybe the attorneys can help you out when your in an emergency. (only is financial gain from the taxpayers is involved of course)
Jamie Kalven opened this FOIA lawsuit; his associates are Jon Loevy and Bill Ayers, need anymore be said!!!!!!!!!! Next will be a class action law suit claiming the city failed to act asking for $$$,$$$,$$$ !
Any of you hard headed hard chargers want to chime in now?
"Ahhh... If you're concerned about gettin' sued on this job, you're a pussy"
"I've gotten lots of c/r's and I've been sued multiple times over 30+ years and I'm still gettin' up on Dude."
The dirty lawyers who've made millions suing the city on behalf of the shit-birdsare going to take their sweet time fucking over good Policemen who unfortunately and by no fault of their own, have ended up on this list.
Rahm's punishment...
Who, if anybody, is going to be safe after the lawyers get done?
Blood might end up being spilled behind this.
Of course, the lying chronic and habitual beefers are shielded from scrutiny.
THAT is the other half of this story the media is in NO HURRY to talk about.
Yeah... Let's talk about OPS/IPRA honoring a lot of these credulity straining beefs that would require warp speed, time travel, alternate realities and the liberal use of Police doppelgängers in order to achieve a semblance of credibility.
Aye... We so ardently wish that members of the media were to be as naked and exposed as Policemen to this fuckery, character assasination and flat out slander with very little choice other than to grin and bear it because "You guys swore an oath."
"Now now Coppers! No getting mad and fighting back! You knew it would be like this when you signed up. Just quit if you don't like it!"
True justice and freedom is the upright man having the liberty to blow a left cross (or a right) with a twist square and level through the dentures of any fool within personal space (18 inches to you people who never had to fight for a damned thing in your soft and silly lives) openly espousing such stinking thinking.
Police like you have no friends...
Here is the kicker: per Article VIII, section 8.2 of the contract, all CR files will be destroyed in 5 years.
Unfortunately a Federal Court ruling superseded that years ago.
FOP's non-aggression pact with Rahm is really, really working... Nothing like seeing the newest people elected to represent Chicago Policemen in the biggest fight of their labor lives are curled up in the fetal position while Mayor Rumplestiltskin joyously kicks patches of skin from our collective asses.
Why bother even trying to keep up appearances when all can see the real deal with their very own eyes?
The time for being restrained and not fighting back because "you guys swore an oath and have rules to abide by" seems to be long gone.
NOBODY... When it comes to matters pertaining to The Police in this city, has any compelling reason to abide by any rules. Rules, fair play, decency and other such are niceties that don't suit their narrative pertaining to The Police.
Yet all demand that Policemen keep one hand tied behind their backs because "well, you knew it would be this way when you signed up..."
(Don't you get the feeling that the institution of Policing itself is thought to be "in the way" of an agenda?)
We did NOT sign up for THIS!
Policemen for the most part stand on the rock of decency, fair play, hard work, love for the underdog etc...
Most Policemen are by their very nature, seekers and lovers of the truth. Especially the truth about how they go about their jobs while being burned at both ends by an administration seeking who knows what while rubbing against these death cultists trying their best to ruin what's left of this city out of pure hatred and disdain for society as a whole.
Who knows?
Maybe these smart people from everywhere else but Chicago, along with the mayor have actually war-gamed a plan where they feel confident that Chicago no longer "needs" a Police Department and they're leaning on the media to play up 15+ years of rogue policemen as if the entire department is made up of Policemen who think and act like those who chose to tarnish our star.
What no one talks about?
How Policemen are drawn from the same pool the rest of society swims in...
In this era of "The Great Hate," this very fact is conveniently ignored because it doesn't suit the "hang 'em all just because they're Chicago Cops" narration.
Curious and interesting times...
Police like you have no friends.
Survive.
Get your pension but plan on not having one
just because you're that hated and reviled cop.
Be content that you did your best...
That is something that no joyful hater
or ardent shit-talker can take away from you.
As for now... It surely seems that The Chicago Policeman stands alone.
Well?
Does he?
Who of any standing will dare to answer that question honestly and out in the open for all to see/hear and render judgement on?
Or will this result in howls from the usual suspects about "airing dirty laundry" and other such?
Bullshit... The lives and well being of good people are at stake and the current condition can't be allowed to persist.
Sorry for the length.
Hard to sit by and witness an honorable profession
and the too few people who take it up get destroyed
for the sake of venal politics and media titillation.
FYI... As long as there are bad, sketchy, goofy people in this world, there is a chance that bad, sketchy and goofy people will continue to somehow become Policemen. Especially when there are bad, sketchy and goofy people involved in the screening process.
Huh?
What?
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