Fourteen?
E-mail from a west side cop:
- Monday morning, 010 had 14 crossing guards call off. That's 14 crossings that had to be covered by coppers. 010 only has 12 beat cars, a few rapids, and some specialty cars up on days. Dispatch did what they had to do, downed the District and put in the backlog.
So 010 had no cars up. If there was a shooting or a legit robbery/burglary/domestic, there was no one to send. I thought Garry was all about keeping cars up and available for jobs?
And that's just one district. Any idea if the rest of the districts suffered similar shortages? Safe Passage couldn't cover anything? Parent Patrols? But we're up to strength!
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
84 Comments:
ANY crossing with traffic control should not need - or have - a crossing guard. If there's no crossing guard available, it should not be manned by a police officer replacement.
When the light is red, children and parents know they are supposed to stop and wait. If a kid decides to cross against the light, no crossing guard or cop has the legal right to lay hands on them, anyway. It's a colossal waste of manpower and money.
No need to fear 010 had SUPERSGT.
When are they going to wake up and incorporate the crossing guards with T.M.A. This would get rid of P.O.s as crossing guard supervisors. Have a larger pool of personal to fill positions eliminating the need for P.O.s to fill call offs. And get them out of the police payroll and budget.
When I was really young and walking to school, busy crosswalks were guarded by kids just a few years older than me. And then, when I was a few years older, I guarded the same crosswalks for younger kids. What the fuck?
-010 1st watch
Is it the Orange flu when all the crossing guards call in sick?
What about all the nonsense reprtsreports they want coppers to do? Hospitalizations on old/terminally I'll or other nonsense, non criminal reports. Safe Passage. Mental Transports. Directing traffic instead of having stop signs . If taxpayers knew how much police time is wasted on non police functions, they would be appalled.
Who's protecting the unaccompanied illegal immigrant children that have fled the Fast and Furious DOJ fueled gun running violence in central america to make themselves a better life then -- if there's no-one manning safe passage??
Can't be the parents cuz they are unaccompanied children.
Could it be that Rakm doesn't really give a shit about safe passage and the UII and these kids only represent some Federal dollars and potentially another congressional seat if we get enough of them here?
All the help is stuck in Impact Zones on afternoons. Move the kids to the watch like before and beef up the manpower.
Now Retired....
Here's a idea...
Do proper screening and training of some of those Traffic Management Aides. You know them, the parking cones with feet. They usually screw up an intersection when there is several of them but one at an intersection may be OK. Have them "ON CALL" or dispatched on a school bus to take over when a Crossing Guard is absent.
NOW when the Crossing Guards see that their gig is threatened by this cheap labor force their absenteeism will drop dramatically. Then the day police can be the police again.
Now watch someone bring this idea up at a Compost meeting or whisper it Rham's ear.
Remember you hears it here first.
024th district shootings a result of squad pilot program, mission teams and fixed posts.
Wait till it gets cold and rainy again.
Ya got to do what ya have to do, and allocate personnel based upon priorities.
Kind of the norm now.
Wait. You wanted ghetto parents to step up and do something for their children without the "gubmint" giving them some cash for it? Ha. Hahaha. Bwahahahahahahah!
Oh, that's rich!
Commanders offices should have a plan to notify schools to provide their own staff for crossings then. How about safe city employees where available too. Common sense higher ups!
Crossing Guards / OEMC Traffic Aides , Same Crap , Why dont they get rid of that this garbage , its also involving the Famous - Second Offender Program , What a joke ,. Send it all to the can , get some people who really need a job and want to work.
Funny but we get the entire flock of Hens calling on check day. All fucking morning they call "are da checks in"?
The city fucked that pooch. I grew up and my entire childhood we had the same crossing guards that never missed a day. Then the city took away all the benefits and look what they are left with?
I just want to tell them they dont have to fake coughs when they call in. Coppers are parents and know a fake cough.
This will all be solved with furlough by watch!
Thank rahm and the flop for letting you be a solution to the manpower shortage problem!
Mamma had a rough night of sipping hennessy and sitting on the porch.
She couldn't see her kids off to skool.
There was a mass hire test for Mouthbreather. All the crossing guards and TMAs want to be full time.
They keep telling us we are at 12000 police officers. They budgeted us for that number. We used to have 13300 or 13400 officers. So right off the bat we are down 1300 officers or more.
Where are the officers in the Districts then? We are critically short on watches. If you add "extremely bad management" to the lower manpower you have your answer. Not only is Compstat a failure, the management ability of Superintendent McCarthy is likewise a failure.
Shockingly similar to Obama's ISIS strategy.
If you save one child, you save the world.
Can I apply?
For those of you living on 016 understand that there isn't an available car on afternoons. Every beat car is down on a crossing almost daily. So from 1445 til 1530 no one is available except Sgts.
That modern American work ethic -- get 1 sick day, use 1 sick day.
Inside personnel is suppose to be used before beat cars.
It's almost as bad as the 011 district tact team doing prostitution dispersals (WTF never saw that order) per the new tact LT. Wow Matty you really have no clue what you are doing, just keep riding on that name cause soon your daddy what have any pull left.
011
Maybe there are legit sick with all the children getting sick from "mystery illness" pitting many in hospital all the illegals rahm and Obama are putting here and in some states outbreaks of tb which had been eradicated great job demorats no wonder you will be all thrown out with the republican sweep coming in November!
Anonymous said...
No need to fear 010 had SUPERSGT.
9/10/2014 12:14:00 AM
There are lots of supersgts there!
What happened to patrol boys? Aren't their parents walking them to school? Total dependency facilitated by the democrats for votes. Don't forget to vote on Election Day.
How many police officers are assigned to the office in 010? Maybe time has come to use officers that are able to drive ,walk that are on duty disability to report back to work as crossing guards . Let's not over work them , have some report for 2 hours in the morning and others report for two hours in the afternoon .
No gun needed , green reflective vest and a plastic stop sign .
Catholic schools had 7th and 8th grade patrol boys to cover school crossings . I am sure some of the phony not to disabled on duty could help out for 75% of their pay . It would make them feel good yo help the children .
Called in a car accident in 022 last week, no beat cars available. They sent a swat unit.
Car stolen from 105th Hoyne that morning, house broken into on 106th Seeley at 5:30pm the day before. Kid came home to the bad guy climbing out the window.
Alderman was out getting signatures to get on the ballot this week. Maybe he can start walking the beat.
As a kid growing up in 8, walking to school in the 60's, wtf is a crossing guard!?!?
How about hire only retired coppers trying to make money for health insurance increases
When I was really young and walking to school, busy crosswalks were guarded by kids just a few years older than me. And then, when I was a few years older, I guarded the same crosswalks for younger kids. What the fuck?
-010 1st watch
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As a former "patrol boy" and seeing the way people drive today, I'm not sure a kid could handle it. And as I recall, I don't think we had free turn on red back then either.
NC
Growing up I don't remember all these crossing guards. Is it either kids don't know how to cross a street, or drivers just can't drive?
Off topic, the other night in 008 a VRI car called on the zone to send a car to a disturbance that they on viewed. It was for an assist either, what an embarrassment.
How many full duty officers are assigned to district commanders office , tactical , crossing guard supervisor. Caps office , foot patrol on 26thst , school officer etc.
Do inside officers swipe in and out . Total mismanagement of manpower on cpd . 12 beat cars. Officers down at court , lunch , station assignment , arrest , sometimes less than 6 cars on patrol , one man cars , not very safe isit .
Where is fop on the safety , manpower issue , haven't heard anything from the new leadership .
Anonymous said...
Ya got to do what ya have to do, and allocate personnel based upon priorities.
9/10/2014 01:17:00 AM
Now there is a comment from someone with a commander's shit on his or her nose.
Anonymous said...
Is it the Orange flu when all the crossing guards call in sick?
9/10/2014 12:22:00 AM
No. It is just raining, snowing or cold.
They keep telling us we are at 12000 police officers. They budgeted us for that number. We used to have 13300 or 13400 officers. So right off the bat we are down 1300 officers or more.
Get over it. No one cares what we used to have. You are not down 1300 officers if they are not budgeted. CPD has alittle over 12,000 sworn officers and thats the budgeted amount. No way the mayor will hire more officers than are budgeted.
Not saying its right,but those are the facts.
It's for the children...
I remember an inspector at a beat (beef) meeting actually speaking up and telling the crowd not to expect quick police service if they put in a call during school dismissal times because every available car was dedicated to the schools.
Personally, I don't mind doing the crossings but it pisses me off when school staff are standing around watching me do what should be part of their job; I cross kids every morning at my CPS Security side job.
All you bitching about this remember: the kids shouldn't be punished for the parents' sins. At least we've made Safe Passage a special attention and not dedicating 3-4 cars for 3 hours/day. Sorry for the rant.
I think 2 called in, the rest are vacant positions because the city has not hired crossing guards in some time.
Went to both public and private grammar schools,was a "crossing guard" at both, simple plan 8th graders were crossing guards,then the 7th graders moved up and took the positions,at the end of the year they had a "pizza party" for the kids who did the job,how much would that save in police payroll? What other city in this nation has a system where tens of millions of dollars are wasted on "safe passage"? Why not save all that money and hire more police,and make the parents walk the kids to school everyday, maybe 1 parent could Sheppard our future doctors and scientists and recipients back and forth and then another parent the next day?
Didn't they just find another TEN MILLION for safe passage?!
Mismanagement to the greatest extent from City Hall down the district command level. Sad.
Don't even get me started on how they cannot be fired either.
Well today same non sense but its being called "safe passage crossing". I did not see one child crossing except for adults going to train station. A waste of time.
Rumor was 2,000 police taken out of budget . Where was all that money being spent ?
Someone please tell , how many officers are hiding inside the 10th district .
19-P...
When are they going to wake up and incorporate the crossing guards with T.M.A. This would get rid of P.O.s as crossing guard supervisors. Have a larger pool of personal to fill positions eliminating the need for P.O.s to fill call offs. And get them out of the police payroll and budget.
9/10/2014 12:15:00 AM
The problem with that idea is that (unless something has changed in the last two contracts) Crissing Guards are career service and TMA's are non-career service part time city employees in the same union.
OEMC has done a "good" job getting rid (by attrition/retirement) of the Full Time Career Service Traffic Aides over the past few years (a lot have gone to Revenue or bid to Detention aide positions).
But under the terms of the CBA; part time TMA's are not allowed to work more than 999 hours per calendar year. Even if they are of the few that have a physical badge and Parker book. That's just under 25 weeks a year and just under 20k salary.
Crossing Guards (as I recall) work 4 hours at the front and 4 hours at the end of the school day.
If you figure the average school year in Chicago is 180 days...at an 8 hour day that would be 1440 hours and that would be 441 more hours a year than a single Part time TMA could work under the terms of the CBA.
Now, we have all seen the people the city hired to be Traffic Aides for the OEMC. Some try to do the best they can and others are only good for holding up street signs.
Plus there is the added issue that we have How Many schools in Chicago?!? And in some areas the parents already ignore the Crossing Guards. And we know people tend to ignore the traffic aides. Look at Wrigley during a home game, traffic is a mess and the pedestrians tend to want to ignore cops let alone a Traffic Aide.
Now imagine a TMA with a Parker book on the intersection near Lane Tech or up around the schools in the 19th or 41st Ward.
I know how mouthy they are during a Bears or Blackhawks game. And when we consider how much we bitch here about the Parking Aides from Finance, can you imagine some of the traffic aides having the ability during morning or afternoon pickup to call the duty PO out to a school cause someone didn't follow a lawful order?
Thanks No.
Just hire more cops and put the probies and police cadets out for schools.
Do what i did when they give you a crossing, hammer all the parents who are dropping off. really pisses off the bosses when you hammer the churches on sunday.
To 10:02am whats really embarrassing is that a supervisor docent have the balls to get on the air and tell them to handle it.
Get over it. No one cares what we used to have. You are not down 1300 officers if they are not budgeted. CPD has alittle over 12,000 sworn officers and thats the budgeted amount. No way the mayor will hire more officers than are budgeted.
Not saying its right,but those are the facts.
9/10/2014 10:19:00 AM
Did you purposely miss the point? There are areas in this City that have NO POLICE OFFICERS PATROLLING THE STREET.
If the Mayor says that's enough police then he should be voted out. If the Superintendent MISMANAGED the manpower he is given, then he should be replaced.
Was that a little easier for you to understand?
I remember an inspector at a beat (beef) meeting actually speaking up and telling the crowd not to expect quick police service if they put in a call during school dismissal times because every available car was dedicated to the schools.
Personally, I don't mind doing the crossings but it pisses me off when school staff are standing around watching me do what should be part of their job; I cross kids every morning at my CPS Security side job.
All you bitching about this remember: the kids shouldn't be punished for the parents' sins. At least we've made Safe Passage a special attention and not dedicating 3-4 cars for 3 hours/day. Sorry for the rant.
9/10/2014 10:28:00 AM
Wait a second here.
So you're saying your a FOP cop and a SEIU public school security guard?
Make a fucking decision!
That is part of a Tac Teams duties to enforce prostitution laws, along with gambling and license violations, back in my day kids we had vice teams in the district also, now all you secret agents can do is wear your hats backwards, were a tank top with your vest to show your Tats off and your little hair ball on your lower lip and slap each other 5 and say DUDE, Become a real police officer and do it all.
Last class of crossing guards to hit the street came out Monday. 44 were hired but only 32 showed up at the academy the week before on day 1 of training. More classes in next month, don't have numbers on how many yet
How many full duty officers are assigned to district commanders office , tactical , crossing guard supervisor. Caps office , foot patrol on 26thst , school officer etc.
Do inside officers swipe in and out . Total mismanagement of manpower on cpd . 12 beat cars. Officers down at court , lunch , station assignment , arrest , sometimes less than 6 cars on patrol , one man cars , not very safe isit .
Where is fop on the safety , manpower issue , haven't heard anything from the new leadershi Do you swipe in and out Mr 2 years on the job
We used to know them as "Police Lady's". Patrol Boys worked the crossing with them.
Isn't there some SO or GO that mandates that about 6 tiers of positions(inside) be deployed before a Beat Car?
I been gone too long.
Stay safe boys & girls.
We had safety boys. Did the crossings, got out 15 minutes early. In the spring, all the safety boys were bussed to an afternoon white so x game while school w as in session. Year after year, it was upper deck outfield grandstand against kansas city.
Its 010, who cares. Tell 1070, he will single handedly cover every crossing himself. Only downside is that he will talk about every child he crosses and how it makes him feel on the radio. Please RF and the rest of the 010th district, use the coding system. We don't need a detailed rationalization of why you are not doing what you're supposed to be doing. Just code it and shut the fuck up. Again, shut the fuck up. The zone is too busy for you goofs to go on and on about nothing. And, shithead who got tuned up and needs an ambulance is not an emergency! Can't 009 and 010 share a zone and give 011 some peace. They just won't shut up!
When I was a kid in the 1970's it was a treat to be picked up from school. Now almost half the kids get picked up. Streets are blocked off. Wow. That being said there are ALOT more screwballs out and about. Also when I was a kid, at the playground if I fell off something my ass landed on cement. Not rubber bits or wood chips. Green means GO. Red means STOP.
OHHHH I Love this site because its the only place where you can find the truth said , The media sure lies or doesnt cover the things that they ARE suppose to be covering , and thats always .
But back to this disaster of Crossing Guards and TMA's . I was a Crossing Guard at my school many Moons ago , , and the only reason this is happening is because they have to find some way to give jobs to the SECOND OFFENDERS and kids that are still wet behind there ears and cant even cross the street right ," BY THEMSELVES " , Ex Mayor Daley said THEY need a JOB lol.
Disaster on TOP of Disaster . Shit Can the whole thing , I SAY . Most TMA's or Crossing Guards cant do there simple job anyway ,always calling off sick OR leaving sick as soon as they get there check on a Friday ., What a joke , Call in a Air Strike , Broken Arrow , Send it all to hell.
Anonymous said...
Crossing Guards / OEMC Traffic Aides , Same Crap , Why dont they get rid of that this garbage , its also involving the Famous - Second Offender Program , What a joke ,. Send it all to the can , get some people who really need a job and want to work.
9/10/2014 03:35:00 AM
Then who will knock on doors for the politicians?
Remember. ...500-700 cops are on the medical EVERYDAY! Don't be casting stones...
OT- Dicks test in March 2015. No more classes from current list. Test developers are at 35th. They are scheduling meetings w supervisors for test content. Fyi
I thought the order said inside people were to be used to man crossings before beat cars. Has the order changed?
Anonymous said...
No need to fear 010 had SUPERSGT.
9/10/2014 12:14:00 AM
There are lots of supersgts there!
Why thank you! It's good to be recognized.
There's never police crossing students at my kids school. WTF
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I remember an inspector at a beat (beef) meeting actually speaking up and telling the crowd not to expect quick police service if they put in a call during school dismissal times because every available car was dedicated to the schools.
Personally, I don't mind doing the crossings but it pisses me off when school staff are standing around watching me do what should be part of their job; I cross kids every morning at my CPS Security side job.
All you bitching about this remember: the kids shouldn't be punished for the parents' sins. At least we've made Safe Passage a special attention and not dedicating 3-4 cars for 3 hours/day. Sorry for the rant.
9/10/2014 10:28:00 AM
Wait a second here.
So you're saying your a FOP cop and a SEIU public school security guard?
Make a fucking decision!
9/10/2014 06:35:00 PM
Sounds like he or she did make a decision. They're working hard to improve their family's lot in life.
Here in 016 there are NO cars available from 1400-1535 hrs, all on school crossings........called Ald. Mary "pothole" O'Connor about this and her reply was " it's like this every where" ........... Brilliant Alderman, bravo.........
Sounds like he or she did make a decision. They're working hard to improve their family's lot in life.
9/11/2014 09:41:00 AM
I think the OP's point is that being a CPD Security Guard puts them in the same union as the mouthbreathers.
How about hiring more Crossing Guards??
Makes sense, they are part time employees that carry no health care provided by the city. Hire 300 Guards and be done with it..
We had safety boys. Did the crossings, got out 15 minutes early. In the spring, all the safety boys were bussed to an afternoon white so x game while school w as in session. Year after year, it was upper deck outfield grandstand against kansas city.
9/10/2014 08:35:00 PM
Yeah, I was a "safety boy" too. We had a little saying that went kinda like this: We can dance if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance
Well they're, no friends of mine.-------
We also preferred not to wear hats.
Cops doing school patrol instead of out on the beat - ONLY in Shit-cago.
Former Crossing Guard
--No Cop Here
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about hiring more Crossing Guards??
Makes sense, they are part time employees that carry no health care provided by the city. Hire 300 Guards and be done with it..
9/11/2014 04:58:00 PM
You should do your homework before you post inaccurate information.
I was filling in for a crossing guard at 36th & State St. when dude walks into the breezeway from the infield, goes into a military stance and pounds a round off at me and then runs towards Federal. I took chase, stopped and had a 3/4 trigger pull going but had to let it go. Kids coming out of the Federal building going to school. Hated not to be able to pull the trigger but it would have turned into a REALLY bad day if I missed and planted a 38 slug ito a nine year old kids forehead. Good old war stories! We all got em!
Anonymous said...
Remember. ...500-700 cops are on the medical EVERYDAY! Don't be casting stones...
9/10/2014 11:32:00 PM
Wow! About 5%.
Goof.
We live in a civilized society with rules and order. Why do we need a person waving a stick to signal us that the light is green or red. Follow the rules and we won't have this issue. Traffic aides are city hall's attempts to establish a broader voter base. They are useless in my own opinion.
Yes... In 17 they put four out of the only 5 cars out from early role call everyday. One car to cover hole district from 230 to 4pm
Who is this man they call the SuperSgt!?!
The people being hired to work on safepassage and school crossing guards are unemployed drug addicts looking or money for drugs. After that first paycheck and the money to get drugs, they call off as they recover from their dope excursions. This was found out after I participated in one of the stop violence program funded by Quinn's initiative.
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