Is This an Option?
This popped up in the comments:
- Why the City of Chicago is even involved in our medical benefits? We have 12,000 active members, 5,000 retires and how many dependents? Why can’t the FOP handle our medical benefits? The plus side would be the City can no longer use medical benefits as a contract negation point tied to any other parts of the contract, also we could no longer use the City of Chicago Benefits Management Division and deal directly with a real company and or a health insurance broker. Why do I have to call the City if I have problem with Blue Cross and not call Blue Cross directly? I would pay more for insurance if retires had free health care, because we are all going to be there someday. It’s a benefit for members that should be controlled by members not the City.
I'm glad you brought this up. I have been working on an alternative insurance plan for our retirees anticipating something like this would happen. Hope to have something soon. Stay tuned.
Kevin Kilmer
Financial Secrerary [sic]
Fraternal Order of Police.
We recall a similar proposal years ago....we think it was referred to as the "Philadelphia Plan" where their bargaining agent actually ran the health care system, eliminating dozens, maybe hundreds of nonsense city jobs and kept it in house at a huge savings.
It might be time to revisit this suggestion and cut Rahm (and the city patronage jobs) out of the equation entirely.
It might be time to revisit this suggestion and cut Rahm (and the city patronage jobs) out of the equation entirely.
Labels: general, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
84 Comments:
not sure about this one. blue cross probably cuts the city a better deal and deals with the city through benefits because there's tens of thousands of city employees.
Why would they let you lop off a chunk only to come back and bargain with less people?
The Wisconsin Teachers Unions were caught bilking their own, limiting their options, and forcing their enrollment (at higher premiums). What makes you think anybody at the FOP is capable of handling our health insurance accounts without having to hire a bunch of experienced people to run it for them. At which point, you end up dragging down the efficiency, hiring, screening, making sure it isn't a boondoggle...
I have the answer to the why. It is Obamacare. The plan is that within the next five or six years, every person in the U.S., except federal politicians, will be under Obamacare. There will be no private insurance or insurance companies. The government will control and provide all health care.
When you vote for democrats, you get Obamacare. Unions vote for and support with their money and services, democrats.
Bring it on, I for one would pay more so I don't have to deal with the city benifits/managenent... Myself and other officers have had to go down several times to add a child or a spouse because they " never received the paperwork" really because I hand carried it down and had it time stamped..newborn baby..good luck getting their bill paid for, be prepared to get a collection bill, then call Blue Cross who tells you call the city, ok call the city, the most unprofessional female answers...I explain..she asks why are you calling here, you need to call blue cross...after you play that phone game several times and you're ready to eat your gun, you might be treated to an equally unprofessional supervisor. You go through this process for about two weeks and finally you'll just give up and pay your own bill. Please FOP take it over!
I don't have much faith in the FOP to administer our health care program, but then again, I don't trust the city much either. What the hell, let's give it a whirl if for no other reason than we can have pity on ourselves.
Kilmer is another amateur. This idea is going nowhere fast. It was discussed at length 5-6 years ago by Donahue. Baltimore P.D. does this with their union. Kevin wouldn't know because he got involved with the union last year. Nice way to show your ignorance about issues.
the city would never allow us to be self-insured. we tried hard. This was a priority issue for trustee Eddie King (025 - A/5). The city gets a HUGE bulk discount at the end of the year, that the city uses for whatever they want (it sure as hell doesn't come back to us).
Sir Donkey, Esq.
Why couldn't we mirror it off of the carpenters union
Or the other trades. Their unions handle their own
Health insurance and it's pretty darn good.
The only way that happens is if you can guarantee that, if the union runs off with your doctor, you can't go back at the city.
And that way doesn't exist under current law.
This should be a top priority.
I think there's a law or ordinance that prevents the FOP or any other city worker union from administrating their own health care plan. I could be wrong but I think I read that someplace. Any health provider would love to have a 13,000 or so member ( i use that number ironically) union as a client. You would think their sales people would be ringing the unions phons off the hook
"...cut Rahm (and city patronage jobs) out of the equation entirely."
Heh...
The only thing that has managed to come close to deservedly cutting the strutting North Shore Banty Rooster was a run-away meat slicer at Arby's...
Rahm is scared out of his wits to be "cut out" on ANY money making scheme...
Voi-muthafuckin'-la...
"Rahm Emanuel, Chicago Mayor, Asks Minnesota To Ease Off Hospital Debt. Collection Firm"
"Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel wants his Democratic colleague Minnesota Attorney General Lori Swanson to lay off hospital debt collector Acretive Health, which is based in the Windy City."
Huffington Post
Written by Jeffrey Young
08 May 2012
Hmmm...
And THIS went away rather quietly too...
You can bet your ASS Rahm or Zeke are invested in this which is why Rahm tried to unduly influence a criminal investigation in another sovereign state
Could this be the tie that binds as Rahm is intentionally screwing Policemen by jacking medical costs?
He sees the potential to line his own pockets?
Which hospitals/medical centers here are contracted with Accretive or a subsidiary?
Anybody got anything?
P.S.
The strutting, joyously crowing and shitting North Shore Banty Rooster "...declines to explain efforts for Accretive Health..."
according to a fibune lead-in dated 01 Aug 2012.
Man oh man...
Talk about arrogance and moving with impunity and de facto immunity.
As for th "Philadelphia Plan" for Chicago Coppers?
No way in fuck should we trust FOP to administer it.
They will FIND a way to give it over to the city just because Policemen moved to take the city out of the equation.
Oh yeah... BTW...
Where the are the professional labor negotiators and p/r people FOP was supposed to bring in for this contract negotiation?
"Well duhh... We figgered it would be better if we..."
Gawd... What a ship of fools...
I'm In !!!!!!!!!!!
Stating the obvious: because you're an employee of the city.
As I recall, the FOP asked for the "Philadelphia Plan" to manage medical. It is true that officers in Philadelphia have very good medical benefits managed by the union. Everyone is on the same plan, no basket of plans to choose from.
Mark Donahue explained it this way, the officers in Philadelphia were offered either a great medical plan or a good raise but not both. They chose medical. Their salary is behind ours. That was the reason we were told.
Donahue said the city's labor attorney, Franczyk, had every contract for all major cities on a desk. He said FOP was told if they did not like the contract we had, we should choose which contract would suit them better from all around the nation.
Philadelphia had an independently elected board running it, not its union. That was sought after under Donahue, but Daley would never give up the patronage jobs and graft involved with it.
This would be excellent get all the political hacks out of business and something might work out for finally go to it.
Let me get this right, FOP can negotiate the terms of out health care benefits but now "Kilo" kilmer wants to look for new self managed insurance? So he and the others can scrape 20 points off the top? Fuck that!! Just do your job and negotiate our contract! You Goof!
I'm for it.
Isn't this the method the CTU uses? The Chicago Teacher's Pension Fund runs the retirement system for retired teachers. They use commercial plans to give a limited choice to the teachers, and the drug part of medicare is a plan just for Chicago teachers, It's great. Your Union should check it out.
all current workers should kick in more to pay for retirees and when you retire you get it free. (start a fund) one less headache when you are old. I'm all for it.
Take it further and have the national lodge administer it. Now instead of 15,00 we are talking 60,000+ enrollment and all the discounts and political weight that goes with it.
FOP should contact the Teamster 705. They run their medical and have a clinic in Teamster city that is better then any clinic that the city offers! Teamster collects directly from the companies and no bullshit about contacting company about medical problems that companies and government don't want to pay! Run by the members and for the members at a lower cost to top it off! Get the medical insurance out of City hands and let them just pay into medical fund run by Union!
The city refused to open the books and give an exact figure they spent on police officers medical insurance back then. At least thats how I remember it.
I must be misunderstanding. The people who can't agree on who is responsible for sending a letter will manage your healthcare. That is best argument for Obamacare I've seen.
Patronage jobs should be cut. The city AND state cannot afford to put everyone's relative on the payroll.
If competent people were put in on the jobs, you could probably get rid of half the people - if not more.
Same goes for Aldermen - cut them back to 20 or 25 and you would find a ton of money that could be put into funds that need to be shored up - like the pension fund.
The city wants your money to help cover other city depts. They'll never let you go..
The premiums and deductibles would skyrocket, just look around. If you think you have bad heathcoverage now (which you don't), have your union handle health coverage and see how bad it can really be.
Please let that "Secretary" misspelling be a typo and not an example of how he spells.
It was explored by the union a few times in the past. it is expensive. We can't get the city to pay their fair share of pension contributions. they pay all their bills late. Does anyone think they would pay the union in a timely manner? The FOP can't afford the city's incompetence.
The current proposal is that if you stay in network, it is cheaper for you. If you go to an out of network doctor, it stays the same as the ppo is now. Geez take a deep breath
My husband recently retired and my insurance was switched over to the retiree plan. I went for my annual checkup -- cholesterol, sugar levels, flu shot - and just received my statement showing which benefits were paid for. Nothing. Zip. Nada. Not even the flu shot. The doctor bill and lab work comes out to more than $600. When I called BCBS I was told the retiree plan does not cover preventative services. Why do I have insurance? Now we will soon be paying more? I can get no coverage for a lot less elsewhere.
because our fucked up city is the most corrupt in the nation, just like how we cant touch our deferred comp except for foreclosure, near death, etc. but other city police departments, i.e. Ft. Lauderdale can, and then pay it back. Run by the EXACT same company. only difference is our crooked, corrupt city has their hand in every cookie jar, so they wont let us do it. THIS CITY, DEMOCRATS, POLITICIANS, SOCIALISTS, CRIMINALS, MEDIA, ATTORNEYS, ILLEGALS, GHETTO FUCKS and the scum that support them CAN ALL FUCK OFF AND DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because they are working to put EVERYONE on Obamacare which will turn into Single Payer.
bobby said...
The only way that happens is if you can guarantee that, if the union runs off with your doctor, you can't go back at the city.
And that way doesn't exist under current law.
9/16/2014 12:40:00 AM
What does that mean?
Every trade union has far superior medical benefits that we do.
Why can't the FOP do it?
Oh yeah... BTW...
Where the are the professional labor negotiators and p/r people FOP was supposed to bring in for this contract negotiation?
"Well duhh... We figgered it would be better if we..."
Gawd... What a ship of fools...
9/16/2014 01:11:00 AM
Yep, the FOP must be much better labor negotiators than those stupid guys that come out of those Ivy League schools and specialize in labor contracts.
Those FOP guys must be really smart.
Wait. Soon enough medical insurance will not be the responsibility of any employer. That is the plan behind the Obama plan for all Americans. The way the law is set up it will force all employers to stop offering any health benefits. The only exemptions are the strong unions and I believe that someday they will also fall by the wayside.
If my (retired) memory serves me correctly, this is what happened to that proposal under Mayor Shortshanks.
The Union looked into this health care proposal where the police would have their own healthcare plan.
It appeared to be beneficial to the members, active and retired, as far as cost and implementation.
The Union went to the City with this proposal showing them how much they would save in not funding the police healthcare, normally a sticking point during contract negotiations.
The City 'agreed' knowing that it would save them millions of dollars.
Then, when asked what the city was willing to give up/include/reimburse on their end, they replied in essence...NOTHING.
A real slap in the face, they would gladly give up any involvement/cost in the police healthcare but would offer nothing in return.
The Union then dropped the proposal and told them to screw-off.
If anyone out there that was involved at the time can clarify or explain further it would be appreciated. In summary, I recall a while back one of our police unions looked into and made this proposal to the City and the City said, go ahead but we will offer you nuttin' (my spelling) in return so it was benched.
I believe it was based upon and followed the successful implementation of another police agency, 'possibly' Philly.
It's da' Chachago Way. (my spellings again)
Stay safe my brothers and sisters.
All Blue Cross does is manage he plan for the city, they are insurance experts. The city pays the bills and works out how much they are willing to spend/payout for Rx's,Dr visits etc. The city makes money off the insurance that's why they won't give it up.
Why because the city makes a ton of $$$$ from handling it.
I proposed this to twiggy Aguilar on Facebook about 2 years ago. He deleted and blocked me.
Dean and company better start getting on the fucking ball here.
It's about time we stick together and get pissed off for once!
To suck hole 9/16/2014 12:12:00 AM
Then why is it working everywhere else at a savings?
Last contract that went to Arbitrator Benn. We received 10 % during a time which people described the economy as similar as the depression era of 1929. Now, my question is does anyone think the economy is worse than it was back then? An arbitrator GAVE us 10%. So 2014 The FOP went and negotiated 11%???
Holy shit......at least they could've asked for 20% and maybe negotiated around 12 - 15 %.
Voting "NO". At least when the arbitrator gives his report he/she will list everything that both sides argued and then the arbitrators award followed by their reasons.
Kilmer is another amateur. This idea is going nowhere fast. It was discussed at length 5-6 years ago by Donahue. Baltimore P.D. does this with their union. Kevin wouldn't know because he got involved with the union last year. Nice way to show your ignorance about issues.
This is what is wrong with our dept. Here's a guy who's smart and is out there trying to shake up stuff and still he's chastised. Instead of putting him down, let's wait and see what he can come up with. It's disappointing to say the least. I'd rather have an amateur than an entrenched politician pretending to want to help. I know Kilmer really wants the best for the membership. God forbid we give him some time to try.
It might work if all FOP members including national members agreed to join. With those numbers, I think we might be able to cut a deal. We could also try to combine all City police, fire and teachers and see what kind of deal we could get. Most teachers I talk too hate their healthcare. The additional benefit of having police, fire and teachers would be better oversight on where our money is going. One union controlling all the money scares me.
What would the city do if police, fire and teachers combined for a better healthcare deal?
None of these plans will ever be in effect due to one thing Obamacare. You wanted him you got him ......
For what it is worth...The IL State Police Master Sergeants have the Teamsters as their union. They settled their contract this year and the teamsters picked up their insurance for free and the state gave them higher % of raise.
Administration of any plans should be out of both the city's and the union's hands. That's just asking for trouble. Professional plan administration services already exist. Why not let the pros handle it? Then it's de-politicized.
I think there's a law or ordinance that prevents the FOP or any other city worker union from administrating their own health care plan. I could be wrong but I think I read that someplace. Any health provider would love to have a 13,000 or so member ( i use that number ironically) union as a client. You would think their sales people would be ringing the unions phons off the hook
Not sure about any insurance company loving to have FOP members as members. Would be interesting to see the average cost of insurance per member.
"...why are you calling here, you need to call blue cross...after you play that phone game several times and you're ready to eat your gun, you might be treated to an equally unprofessional supervisor..."
9/16/2014 12:23:00 AM
Had to turn news radio off this AM -- driving me out of my mind. Even the lady who reads the news (you know who you are) fusses over your "wellness," bothering you about wearing sunscreen. I think 1/3 of the commercials are for "banking and financial services" and the other 2/3 are for "healthcare" (that's become one word now).
Reflects what our society has become after "deindustrialization" (a polite word for "moving production to the Third World").
An enormous void has been created -- and "healthcare" has expanded to fill it.
Life has become a living hell of endless forms and ever-shifting rules and often ignorant and unskilled people behind counters and on telephones either saying "No" or telling you five contradictory things at once, making it up as they go along.
There are thousands of them making a living doing this -- and only one of you to fight them all.
It's insane -- hospitals are getting biggersmaller, closing down one after another in favor of larger and more elaborate places that plan to do everything they can to keep you out of their bed while sending swarms of cheaper, "outsourced" people into your house to treat you in your own bed -- and continuing to bill like crazy.
The house calls I remember -- by an actual, kindly doctor with his bag in the middle of the night -- wouldn't bankrupt you.
Closing emergency rooms to the have-nots while building fantastic, luxury-hotel-grade glass boxes to cater to the haves, as the distribution of wealth becomes more and more lopsided.
Here's what this city used to look like in this regard --
http://chicagopc.info/medical__hospitals.htm
Nothing left but old postcards of the places our family worked in, were born in, got stitched up in, and died in.
In Las Vegas the teacher's union has a "health trust" that handles their insurance and it has separate funds for retirees and active members. Part of their contract negotiations includes the school district funding their health trust. The LV Fire Department has the same type of setup, administered by IAFF.
Excellent. It has and can be done.
Nothing is impossible.
As a tax paying, contributing citizen I can not understand why our law enforcement officers continually get fucked by the powers of the city government.
I moved here in 2007 when my combat tour was over and all I have seen is the people who protect us be scrutinized and screwed. Is it money, sex, or power (considering Rahm is not a complete man) it may be a combination of both. It truly makes my head spin.
G_d bless CPD.
Airborne All The Way!
Good luck paying for it without government subsidies.
I wouldn't use public sector unions as a good example since they have lost hundreds of thousands of jobs over the years and have no insurance for those poor saps.
It's only a matter of time before all government unions are pushed to Obamacare. Longs waits and crappy doctors for all!
Retirees get enough freebies...how about paying more to the boots on the ground who actually do the work!?
In response to the suggestion regarding the teacher pension fund and the insurance, The insurance is fine for the retiree BUT if you want to keeep a spouse or child on it is 1200-1500-- A MONTH!
so file a lawsuit to force the city to relinquish the benefits part & hand them over..
Great idea to follow the teachers union as their pension fund runs the medicare supplementals. Only one problem-- our pension fund is going Broke.
Anonymous said...
All Blue Cross does is manage he plan for the city, they are insurance experts. The city pays the bills and works out how much they are willing to spend/payout for Rx's,Dr visits etc. The city makes money off the insurance that's why they won't give it up.
9/16/2014 08:28:00 AM
I fail to see how the city makes money off the medical plan. The city is self-insured. The city pays the bills, How does it make money?
BCBS in the past offered to sell the city actual health insurance for less money than the city was spending to self-insure. As to why the city turned this down I have no clue.
The only HMO changes are the copays.
According to detailed surveys including the annual survey by U.S. News and World Report, the highest rated hospitals in the Chicago metropolitan area are, in order: Northwestern Memorial, Rush, Christ (Oak Lawn), University of Chicago, Lutheran General (Park Ridge) and Illinois Masonic.
Check out the copay for treatment at these highest rated hospitals versus the remaining hospitals, some considered "butcher shops", which are covered by the cheaper plans.
VOTE NO!
Retirees get enough freebies...how about paying more to the boots on the ground who actually do the work!?
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Shame on you, you punk. You will , but I doubt it, be retired from the cpd one day. You have to be a die hard democrat with a bs shit sign in front of your house. Union Family. You sleep with the rats in city hall.
When copper' retire, our health from being otj for 30 starts to take its toll on us. Stressed out from not being a copper no more and many other body and head issues.
I pity the poor group of copper' that have to work with you. The ME generation is not a kind bunch.
Anonymous said...
Retirees get enough freebies...how about paying more to the boots on the ground who actually do the work!?
9/16/2014 02:01:00 PM
GFY.
City of Chicago Benefits Management Division are absolutely heartless. I'm a teacher, married to a cop -- lived in England for a year with my kids, including daughter with epilepsy. Brand-name prescription provided by UK National Health totally controlled her seizures -- upon return to US, had to switch her to generic substitute, as per City Benefits. Seizures returned. Filed two huge appeals to get brand-name script covered by insurance, both with extensive British documentation. No dice. No explanation. Just told that we have to spend 600 out of pocket per month for brand name. Or hire a lawyer.
Retired with 31 years , now paying close to $1500 a month for health insurance , make the duty disability pay something. , some with back ,neck , stress related disabilities are under 40 , let them pay the same as a cop that put n 30 years .
What would the city do if police, fire and teachers combined for a better healthcare deal?
Geez I dont know?? Lose a ton of money prolly?
The idea of the police divorcing from the city for health care came up about 15-20 years ago. I believe it was during the Nolan administration. Said they were looking into it and that the city heard about and was scared.
But that was the end of it. Never another word mentioned. What happened? Who knows?
Sounds like a deal was cut.
Even tho police can have health issues lingering from their career due to shift work, poor eating habits and shift work, I find it hard to believe that there is not an underwriter out there that would not love to hook up with a large pool of applicants with money.
Anonymous said...
Retirees get enough freebies...how about paying more to the boots on the ground who actually do the work!?
9/16/2014 02:01:00 PM
GFY.
9/16/2014 07:03:00 PM
1: Don't beef about the "freebies" the retirees get. They paid their dues on the street just like you are doing now.
2: You want to preserve those "bennies" so that they are there when you get there.
3: Want to beetch about the freebies the retirees get? That ain't nothing. You should see what freebies the illegal immigrants get. And the welfare population.
Pee on the right tree.
Your FOP President can't even send a letter on time to the city to get your police officers pay that they deserve (Retro).
What makes you thing the FOP could run a health plan?
That said, a lot of unions run their own health plans. Especially in the construction trades, where someone might work for 1-12 different employers in a calendar year.
G_d bless CPD.
Airborne All The Way!
Airborne,,,, I tried that once on an overseas trip and I still caught a cold.
RahmScam said...
According to detailed surveys including the annual survey by U.S. News and World Report, the highest rated hospitals in the Chicago metropolitan area are, in order: Northwestern Memorial, Rush, Christ (Oak Lawn), University of Chicago, Lutheran General (Park Ridge) and Illinois Masonic.
Check out the copay for treatment at these highest rated hospitals versus the remaining hospitals, some considered "butcher shops", which are covered by the cheaper plans.
VOTE NO!
9/16/2014 06:16:00 PM
Co-pays do not matter! Maximum yearly out of pocket does not change. So if you are on a family plan and always max the yearly out of pocket, you still will have the same out of pocket.
At some date in the contract we switch to getting the same discount as the city on our total bill. If you go to Christ and have to pay 25% instead of 10% it is on a lower amount. The negotiated discount that previously only the city got, we will get also. Yearly max out of pocket remains the same.
Best thing for the city is for this to go to an arbitrator. He can give us less remember. The contract you negotiate is better than the contract that is handed down in a decision. Especially now that all other unions are settled.
Great idea lets go get it.
Anonymous said...
Last contract that went to Arbitrator Benn. We received 10 % during a time which people described the economy as similar as the depression era of 1929. Now, my question is does anyone think the economy is worse than it was back then? An arbitrator GAVE us 10%. So 2014 The FOP went and negotiated 11%???
Holy shit......at least they could've asked for 20% and maybe negotiated around 12 - 15 %.
Voting "NO". At least when the arbitrator gives his report he/she will list everything that both sides argued and then the arbitrators award followed by their reasons.
9/16/2014 08:37:00 AM
And what is your answer when the city plops down the agreed contracts of every other labor union in the city and our negotiated contract is right there in line with all of them?
Do you really think any arbitrator will tip over the apple cart and go outside the parameters and say, "well yes, every other union agreed to around 11% but those police deserve everything they want so I will give them 16%. The other unions be damned."
That is as likely as me ever getting into size 34 pants again.
Kevin is a beat guy leave him alone.
How about FOP National ? Look how long it has taken FOP 7 and Fire fighter Local 2 to put their heads together on pensions. This should have been done a decade or more ago before it got to this. Lack of real leadership and the courage to get out from under Daleys' nuts put us back 20 years in acting independently for our own well being.
Anonymous said...
Retirees get enough freebies...how about paying more to the boots on the ground who actually do the work!?
9/16/2014 02:01:00 PM
OK .... you're obviously a jerk and now you really made an asshole out of yourself. Go back to your mom's basement and watch some Star Trek tapes.
OK .... you're obviously a jerk and now you really made an asshole out of yourself. Go back to your mom's basement and watch some Star Trek tapes.
9/17/2014 10:49:00 AM
Hey, maybe he will watch the tapes but I have it on DVD. Beam me up Scotty.
Live well and prosper.
Anonymous said...
Retirees get enough freebies...how about paying more to the boots on the ground who actually do the work!?
9/16/2014 02:01:00 PM
Hey, the life of a retired guy is tough enough. I had to give up the VIP parking, discounted coffee and donuts. 10% off on meals, doing my errands in the squad car, lively repartee with my chums, dodging one particular asshole sergeant and a host of other things. And I had to reform my driving habits. No telling when I would get pulled over by one of these law and order traffic cops.
The city receives millions each year in unused medical time. The bullshit that we put with if a spouse is also a city worker. Only one insurance can be applied. Actually, the spouse's insurance that the city says isn't there is there. The city receives a kick back on that because its unused insurance.
Anonymous said...
The city receives millions each year in unused medical time. The bullshit that we put with if a spouse is also a city worker. Only one insurance can be applied. Actually, the spouse's insurance that the city says isn't there is there. The city receives a kick back on that because its unused insurance.
9/17/2014 10:38:00 PM
You have to be kidding. The city is self insured. Are they going to be kicking back their money to themselves? The city pays for your healthcare,not the insurance company. All they do is administer the plan.
The city receives millions in unused medical time. Who pays them the millions?
How can you compain about medical time when you are allowed 1 year off every two years? Show me one place else that offers that benefit
Retirees get enough freebies...how about paying more to the boots on the ground who actually do the work!?
9/16/2014 02:01:00 PM
Hey, the life of a retired guy is tough enough. I had to give up the VIP parking, discounted coffee and donuts. 10% off on meals, doing my errands in the squad car, lively repartee with my chums, dodging one particular asshole sergeant and a host of other things. And I had to reform my driving habits. No telling when I would get pulled over by one of these law and order traffic cops.
Hey 'Boot'-BLOW ME!!
Retired Guy-you cracked me up and nailed it....
The plumbers union handles their own and they have amazing benefits and services. What would it hurt for some smart, contract-savvy type cop to go to them and ask for advice. Couldn't hurt, might help.
What freebees? I am retired and I get nothing.
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