Once Again...
This sounds so.....familiar......plastered all over the Sun Times website and broadcast over NewsRadio 780:
- Chicago Police officers would get the retroactive pay raise Mayor Rahm Emanuel threatened to deny them after a paperwork mistake made by their ousted union president under a new contract now being finalized.
Ald. Pat O’Connor (40th), the mayor’s City Council floor leader, disclosed Wednesday that Emanuel is using the lure of retro pay to make pre-election peace with the last remaining city union still working under an expired contract.
“Our goal all along was to find a way in which we could work back toward retro pay, but in good faith get something for the citizens of Chicago to justify such a big, lump-sum payment,” said O’Connor, chairman of the City Council’s Committee on Workforce Development, which must approve the new police contract.
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posted by SCC at 5:30 AM
113 Comments:
I'd be very careful,this Mayor lives by sound bites and then moves on to something else. Unless we see it in writing I won't believe it.
OK ... don't endorse Rahm. Just don't endorse anyone. Certainly don't endorse Karen Lewis who would actually be worse for us. Just stay out of it.
FOP will endorse which is complete bullshit. FOP shouldn't endorse anyone. As for the contract myself and quite a few others will be voting NO.
fop better demand all 2 man cars during the 1st and 3rd watch , 3 wagons per watch , retro checks and reassign housecats to district patrol .
$70,000 a year to sit in commanders office ,caps office ,review office total waste of $$.
The city is counting on stupid p.o's being lured by the promise of retro to get a shit contract passed. Unfortunately there are many stupid p.o"s who will vote yes because they are living above their means.
The FOP should always remain neutral and NEVER endorse anyone.
Forget any new contract. Just leave it as it is. The puny raise they offer won't even cover the benefits they'll change. I remember when the medical insurance was just about free....
Wonder what we had to give up? I'm still not voting for him. And I don't trust Rauner. Who do we vote for?
Beware of politicians bearing gifts.
Yes but SCC they are not saying any details keep the retro fund the pension rahm keep 55 and out health care especially if you already signed up to retire next year in good faith under current contract! Don't let the little retro let rahm not contribute the 600 million he owes for the required pension contribution young coppers you are getting old and will realize that a few small crumbs like retro mean nothing in the bait and switch that rahm and his crew are trying to do! Do not be deceived and wonder what deal dean will make with the "man behind the curtain"
well you ACTIVE guys better stick together, this is something the RETIREES cant vote on so get your heads out of your ass and REDA this proposal through.....
Rahm should be very nervous, the Black Community HATES HIM. He actually will need the help of the Unions,that he completely loathes. I don't know of anyone of my neighbors that is going to vote for him in 016 and we all vote. The common belief is vote for Karen Lewis and hope she builds a coalition.
Isn't it nice that I have to learn about our contract from the media. I never even knew we were close to any agreement. We are always the last to know. What a Union we have!
It's all on the up & up! It's all legit;Kid!
Dean & Co are don't rock the boat types, they'll have a press conference with Rahmmie, announce a win-win for everyone and go on their merry ways.
We shouldn't have to celebrate getting what is historically due to us.
Dean Angelo--"Meet The New Boss, Same As The Old Boss"
Here is the raise schedule we will be getting. No retro for ot, vri court special employment etc. very small retro checks this time around
Sorry here are the agreed raises
Under the proposed agreement, members would receive an 11 percent increase over a five-year period, beginning July 1, 2012. The breakdown of increases is as follows:
July 2012: 2 percent
January 2013: 2 percent
January 2014: 2 percent
January 2015: 1 percent
January 2016: 1 percent
July 2016: 2 percent
January 2017: 1 percent
The proposed five year contract would begin, retroactively, on July 1, 2012 and expire on June 30, 2017.
OT , need 40 more to sign up for retirement by October 1 for free health . Not this guy , 58 30 years , straight days , summer furlough , all the vri I want . A ticket , Parker , field contact a day , for $100 k a year . I ain't going to retire . Rahm , raise the mandatory retirement age to 67 , I'll be here for you .
So Rahm gives s something we earned, BIG FRIGGIN' DEAL.
Like we should be grateful, I earned it just like my pension and my medical care.
Register and VOTE!
The fact that as a cop you voted means that what you want matters and has to be taken care of.
On a related subject. We are always scratching to find and cars that work, that have 100K miles on them; look what the Police in Dubai are driving. Now you now where some of that $4 a gallon gas money went.
https://www.youtube.com/v/tjPUGMJ86E0
dont endorse anyone
If I am running against Rahm I am tying his arrogance and aloofness to his ideological twin Obama. Like Obama, he speaks in sound bites and Photo Ops and is an "Empty Suit" without a plan. Like Obama who has gutted the military, Rahm has gutted the manpower and equipment of the C.P.D. and outwardly lies about public safety after a tragic incident. It's time for our City and Country to stand up to thugs and use Chicago as the template for change.
FOP DO NOT ENDORSE RAHM.... He flushed us down the toilet a long time ago. He does not care about the Police or our families. Endorse him and come election time for you all, we will remind you of your poor choice.
They can keep my retro if the FOP picnic adds pony rides and cotton candy?
So we get a raise but the pension issue means we pay more in contributions right? So my check will stay the same.
Retro on OT? VRI?
Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At what cost
Contribution to Rhambo 2015????
Again negotiate through the media, we've seen this before also. So we get what's due (we will see) but what are we giving up for whats rightfully ours ?? What about next years pension payment?? Hope we don't settle for the short term and not screw our future retirement pension.....
WTF. I thought it was agreed negotiations were supposed to he kept secret until it was all finalized. We have been kept in the dark being told by the union nothing about the contract can be discussed. Front page news on what is being bargained without informing the members. Fucking city does whatever it wants and breaks the rules whenever it benefits them and nothing is done about it.
Don't hold your breath.
“Our goal all along was to find a way in which we could work back toward retro pay, but in good faith get something for the citizens of Chicago to justify such a big, lump-sum payment,” said O’Connor,..."
Get something for the citizens????
I have a novel idea. That 'something' you'd like to give to justify such a big lump sum retroactive payment? How about you put police back in the neighborhoods of those citizens that pay all the goddamn taxes that [barely] make this hellhole called "Chiraq" livable.
And then, reduce YOUR numbers by half, Aldercreature O'Connor. That'd be a terrific 'good faith' act for starters. CPD has given more than enough, it's your time to show what's possible when "everybody has to bleed". That $25+ million saved by reducing by half your unnecessary, redundant, politically-based spots sure would go a long way towards our retroactive pay, wouldn't you say?
Oh, I forgot... the police don't count as citizens in this crooked-ass city.
Anybody know the particulars? What did we lose?
O'Connor, Rahm and the Scum-Times are full of shit. Explain to the citizens how we EARNED that money and Rahm to inflate his ego held out on paying his debt to us. And it is way too late; any cop that votes for Rahm is a Moron. Yes, I would vote for Karen Lewis over Rahm because she is like us. She worked for the City for 20 yrs, she did not make millions from her "Government Service", she is not an Elitist or 1% er. Rahm must really be arrogant to think we will love him, for giving us our money! Unbelievable!
Don't give away pensionable raises for jive like uniform allowances, shift duty differential, or any other jive that was accepted by the young bloods years ago because they wanted a new toy right then and there. Raises count for the long haul.
Justifying the theft.
Oh, but let's get all excited for the NEW contract LMFAO.
I ask you what in the hell does a signature on a contract or on a law mean today. Not a damn thing.
Yeah, they'll agree to things that we will never see once AGAIN.
Here, here's your raise but you can't have it. Beg for your retro pay for the next decade suckers.
Oh but we can't possible pay you retro pay now -- we already blew the money that was budgeted for the pay increase on other shit.
And look at the huge dollar amount! HAhaha. Spin it baby.
Just throw the churls some chump change and act like you're doing them a favor.
Tell us how proud as politicians you are to be able "to save us"
Here's a pension plan but you just wait until it comes time to collect that!
ssc i cant stand rahm and never liked that daley family. but im voting for it. been checking the contracts fo the middleclass n uppermiddle white suburbs and their departments are getting abot the same, dont like quit and work for walmart, we are in a depression , and our wonderful president is just giving our great military just a one cent raise but gives billions to illegal aliens and welfare receipts. remeber christ christie 2016
Dean JR told non-police friend last night that his dad signed the agreement last night. 11 percent over 5 yrs.
If anyone retired before 2012 will they receive a retro?
WTF. I thought it was agreed negotiations were supposed to he kept secret until it was all finalized. We have been kept in the dark being told by the union nothing about the contract can be discussed. Front page news on what is being bargained without informing the members. Fucking city does whatever it wants and breaks the rules whenever it benefits them and nothing is done about it.
9/04/2014 01:07:00 PM
I have no idea what you are complaining about. You say you thought negotiations were to be kept secret. They were. Thats why the news reported today that the city and FOP have reached an agreement that you knew nothing about.
You will be hearing from FOP shortly and be given an opportunity to vote on the contract
You have been kept in the dark,how else was the FOP going to keep negotiations secret
Justifying the theft.
Oh, but let's get all excited for the NEW contract LMFAO.
I ask you what in the hell does a signature on a contract or on a law mean today. Not a damn thing.
Yeah, they'll agree to things that we will never see once AGAIN.
Here, here's your raise but you can't have it. Beg for your retro pay for the next decade suckers.
Oh but we can't possible pay you retro pay now -- we already blew the money that was budgeted for the pay increase on other shit.
And look at the huge dollar amount! HAhaha. Spin it baby.
Just throw the churls some chump change and act like you're doing them a favor.
Tell us how proud as politicians you are to be able "to save us"
Here's a pension plan but you just wait until it comes time to collect that!
Man,you sound bitter. What does a contract mean according to you nothing. Wrong, have you ever been paid less than what the contract stated,ever lost your uniform allowance that was in the contract,lost duty availability that was in the contract,etc. A contract does mean something
Oh but we can't possible pay you retro pay now -- we already blew the money that was budgeted for the pay increase on other shit.
WRONG, retro pay is included.
Make sure to spare time and go to the FOP meeting next Tuesday at noon. Let Deano know how we feel about Rahm.
Don't give away pensionable raises for jive like uniform allowances, shift duty differential, or any other jive that was accepted by the young bloods years ago because they wanted a new toy right then and there. Raises count for the long haul.
Someone call Mrs Cleaver. I need a jive translator!
Don't trust Rahm.
Justifying the theft.
Oh, but let's get all excited for the NEW contract LMFAO.
I ask you what in the hell does a signature on a contract or on a law mean today. Not a damn thing.
Yeah, they'll agree to things that we will never see once AGAIN.
Here, here's your raise but you can't have it. Beg for your retro pay for the next decade suckers.
Oh but we can't possible pay you retro pay now -- we already blew the money that was budgeted for the pay increase on other shit.
And look at the huge dollar amount! HAhaha. Spin it baby.
Just throw the churls some chump change and act like you're doing them a favor.
Tell us how proud as politicians you are to be able "to save us"
Here's a pension plan but you just wait until it comes time to collect that!
9/04/2014 03:28:00 PM
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another whining, uninformed idiot... If we get retro pay then they have to pay us retro by 90 days. just like they paid us last time, after 90 days. Coppers are the biggest whiners in the world... Im embarrassed by you people. Cant wait until I retire and get away from you people and can then get on the police bashing bus with the rest of society. Im definitely on their side when I retire, no doubt about it.
Interesting that the yearly raise is less than the increase in the rate of inflation.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
Thanks for the raise !
O'Connor, Rahm and the Scum-Times are full of shit. Explain to the citizens how we EARNED that money and Rahm to inflate his ego held out on paying his debt to us. And it is way too late; any cop that votes for Rahm is a Moron. Yes, I would vote for Karen Lewis over Rahm because she is like us. She worked for the City for 20 yrs, she did not make millions from her "Government Service", she is not an Elitist or 1% er. Rahm must really be arrogant to think we will love him, for giving us our money! Unbelievable!
9/04/2014 02:37:00 PM
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she makes 228K a year. Has vacation houses everywhere including Hawaii. Im not for or against her at this point but if you think she doesnt have a million or more in the bank then you are a complete moron. Trust me, she is a whole lot more wealthy than you think.. no doubt about that.
WTF. I thought it was agreed negotiations were supposed to he kept secret until it was all finalized. We have been kept in the dark being told by the union nothing about the contract can be discussed. Front page news on what is being bargained without informing the members. Fucking city does whatever it wants and breaks the rules whenever it benefits them and nothing is done about it.
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Who are you that YOU need to be notified MR. important. You will get notified when the rest of us get notified
An arbitrator won't do any better. Look at the last contract.
A few things to keep in mind for this contract and election:
1. Retro is earned- that's not a gift and rahm is not doing any favors by paying us what we've already worked for.
2. Pension obligation still stands, and the city WILL PAY in accordance to state law, or else any grant money or subsidy issued to the city will automatically go into paying that DEBT. We do not have to give anything up for this.
3. Talk all the shit you want about Karen Lewis, however, I will vote for her over rahm ANYDAY. He will not get a vote from myself, and MANY MANY other people who are completely disgusted by him.
4. FOP should not endorse ANYONE, but regardless, we all know better and will vote accordingly.
How about we read the fucking thing before we all decide that we're voting yes or no on it. If the city gives us 11% over 5 years with retro and no strings attached, I suggest we take it. There's alot of people in the private sector that won't see 11% over 20 years. Again though, let's read the fucking thing first. And to all you people bitching about not getting retro on your VRI, nobody really gives a shit that you gave up all your days off so you could buy more junk you don't need and live beyond your means.
Hello folks 5K here releasing the Green Bay Packers+5.5 as my lock of the day. Put that future retro check to work for you.
20 & Out! Less then 4 to go Yeeeehaw! Can you dig it!$!
It's funny the biggest dogs complain the most. Go back to sleep and collect your check lol.
Oh ya I forgot go work VRI, the biggest dogs in the city now getting activity to work vri and do nothing, even the wagon dogs are getting activity to go do nothing. What a joke this job is now. Be happy with your raise.
For all you morons out there LISTEN UP!!!
The City will be asking for us to make concessions if we get a raise or not!! Stop saying you don't want a raise!!!
Retro is a raise!!! All you who say screw the raises are future bosses!!!!
FOP will endorse which is complete bullshit. FOP shouldn't endorse anyone. As for the contract myself and quite a few others will be voting NO.
9/04/2014 08:39:00
Vote NO? Based on what? Unless I've missed the announcement, the contract talks are still going on. You don't know what the city is offering. To say that you will vote no without any information ( not rumors) is just stupid.
Is there a retro calculator yet? Five frank ?
I'm glad the media told me and not my union. Thanks for the info guys and the heads up. Top notch as usual.
$70,000 a year to sit in commanders office ,caps office ,review office total waste of $$.
Don't be jealous.
Oh...and FYI.....I'm making over $83,000 a year to sit in review. Now go and finish that domestic case report so I can kick it back for the many mistakes I'm sure you make on a daily basis.
Hey stupid, did you see Eric "the racist" Holder's press conference today. He is going to fuck all the coppers in Ferguson, MO and one reporter asked him about the federal investigation of the Chicago Police Department. The white broad (Judas Goat) didn't know what to say but her eyes told the story. They darted back and forth to Eric who could not be seen in camera but was not about to take over and deny that there is an investigation of the Chicago Police Department going on. He is a liar. That stupid babbling idiot white broad and Eric the "Liar" both said that it is going to be a honest, fair, impartial investigation. So far the only ones that he has talked to and kissed ass on are the criminals of Furguson Not all ,just the rock throwers, fire bomb throwers and all black shit stirrers . And he says it will be fair?
Not one of the ball less and clueless reporters asked. Him what happened to the "Fast and Furious" investigation? Holder is a criminal that should be held accountable.
Wait for this quota boy to do the ISIS investigation he will give them some saws then compare the blades with the severed heads.
Holder go get your shine box, boy!
11% raise
I'm okay with it given the circumstances.
I like how the public views it as a "raise".
It's not a raise, it's a cost of living adjustment. One that doesn't match the increases in the water bill.
How are they doing me a flavor when I've already earned the retro check. And a one percent raise for 2015 and 2016, that won't cover the cost of the raise in medical.
To 9/4 11:06 you my friend are a dumb ass. Did you ever pass math. You pay about 700 a month to the pension for NOTHING. You pay 150 a month for NOTHING. About 45 a month for NOTHING to union dues. This all free if you were to retire being maxed out. Add it up maybe you are stupid and cannot do the math.
No retro on ot or vri per FOP
I don't know about retro, but a little birdie just sang in my ear and said that big changes are coming to 011 this Friday. Bank on it!!
How about the city starting a TIF district at the 1400 block of west Washington blvd.? It could work out like the one they set up for the restaurant across from millennium park. They could use the TIF funds to pay for any pension funds that need them. Works for the clouted how about us? To use the unofficial slogan of Chicago government, "where's mine?"
OT , need 40 more to sign up for retirement by October 1 for free health . Not this guy , 58 30 years , straight days , summer furlough , all the vri I want . A ticket , Parker , field contact a day , for $100 k a year . I ain't going to retire . Rahm , raise the mandatory retirement age to 67 , I'll be here for you .
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Then drop dead 6 months after you retire. Great plan there buddy.
10 years retired I got 400k so far Iam in good health hope to get 400k more please stay on the job working so I can fuck the. City some more Iam also moving out of state so fuck the city and FUCK the police dept thanks
$70,000 a year to sit in commanders office ,caps office ,review office total waste of $$.
Don't be jealous.
Oh...and FYI.....I'm making over $83,000 a year to sit in review. Now go and finish that domestic case report so I can kick it back for the many mistakes I'm sure you make on a daily basis.
9/04/2014 07:56:00 PM
Wow, it doesn't really matter how much you make because you will always be a jagoff. Were you a spoiled brat as child too?
Vote no. Contract ended in 2012, this one extends five years. Too long. What do you think the cost of living will be in 2017? You will be hurting. Insist on a 2015 or 2016 end date, preferably the three year extension. Vote no to 11 percent, over five years. Go to arbitration. Nothing to lose, arbitrator will at least give is this. Vote no.
When will the messiah known to us as "Cooter" run for mayor and set us free.
I spoke with ald Zalewski the other day at Lindy's chili while scratching off some lottery tickets and he related that he feels that all city workers are overpaid. Really?
No retro on VRI or overtime, send it back, RAHM needs us.
Who gives a shit wtf we aren't happy with anything anyways let us walk away with something decent...who are we gonna replace rahm with someone worst...face it shit is what it is just take what u can and run. This is all a political game we get tons of overtime and then we complaint we dont have enough officers. Why do some want more officers for if the ones we do have a small percent of them are sleeping somewhere anyways. Cry me a fucken river officer safety, wake up the ones hiding and pull back the assholes going the other way pr taking there sweet time to a 10-1 then maybe we would need more. Get of your high horses and just protect the little we get. Stop living paycheck to paycheck and get your finances together!!!
If your sleeping every time you clock in and you go hide somewhere in order to avoid jobs then yes you are fucken overpaid. Its not rocket science!
Off Topic SCC;
News Flash, Breaking News
Man arrested in the murder of retired sergeant Elmer Brown in March this year
Tribune,
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-hammond-man-charged-in-slaying-of-ex-cop-20140904-story.html)
First of a few good officers have earned and and do deserve raises the others that are carried and pampered don't deserve shit!!!
What in the world is in the new contract negotiations? The paper knows more than us, the ones that pay the dues. This thing is rigged. And if Rham was not in the dumps and time for re-election yeah he would stick it to us. So, he is not doing something just for nothing. As a member, endorse anyone but, him. He stuck it to us last time and his staff took a 10% raise.
Talked to fop vp said that if you put in for 55 and out retirement before oct 2014 you are in for free health care they made deal with city after that date you will pay 2% finally something good time to leave see ya! Oh but he did not know if pension was going to be funded with. 600 million rahm owes this year, but he said we will get small retro as the younger coppers want it!
Vote no. Contract ended in 2012, this one extends five years. Too long. What do you think the cost of living will be in 2017? You will be hurting. Insist on a 2015 or 2016 end date, preferably the three year extension. Vote no to 11 percent, over five years. Go to arbitration. Nothing to lose, arbitrator will at least give is this. Vote no.
AMEN Vote No 5 years just like the parking meters deal Well be paying for it for years
NO NO NO
$70,000 a year to sit in commanders office ,caps office ,review office total waste of $$.
Don't be jealous.
Oh...and FYI.....I'm making over $83,000 a year to sit in review. Now go and finish that domestic case report so I can kick it back for the many mistakes I'm sure you make on a daily basis.
9/04/2014 07:56:00 PM
Wow, it doesn't really matter how much you make because you will always be a jagoff. Were you a spoiled brat as child too?
PO Crossing guard supervisors!!! Yea
Don't trust Rahm. FLOP or Dean or Jr
The FOP should always remain neutral and NEVER endorse anyone.
Thousands $$$$$ of Our Dues to politicians that hate us
Keep paying your dues and shut the fuk up
our Pension Guranteed Wink Wink
Ya right
All you people who already saying you're gonna vote no, what is it that you like the city to give us?
Your "raise"per year is less than inflation. Some of you may be pushed into a higher tax bracket and of course your Union Dues will slightly increase.
Rahm is scheduling another luncheon with Dean Angelo as we speak!! The champagne will flow!
Simple response to this_ Vote it down !!!! the teachers union got 16% plus they are raising taxes of which how much is going towards education- CPS? This is bullshit!! what? we need to take the offer because he says so? fuck the city , we've been without a contract for 3 years and this is the best they want to give us? why?
VOTE NO ON THIS CONTRACT,LET THEM GO back to the table and if it goes to the arbitrator so be it, but 11 %? That's a slap in the face. we're the last city union to get a contract and this is the offer they give us, i'm freacking pissed now. yeah the neeting is Tuesday so we need to go and vote down the contract offer. There isnt anything Dean can tell us that will make me believe this is the best the city will do.Remember, that we're getting taxed on cell phones and any land line that is billed to a city address. This is a raise? I don't think so.
Yeah the 9 digit midget knows he fucked up and he thinks that this will make up for it? we cant strike but the teachers did, so let send him a message which the media will put out there that we are upset with the offer and we want more ( 16% at the very least!!!) we've earned it and deserve it !!!
"she makes 228K a year. "
Which would NOT put Lewis in the 1%. And you too can soon be a millionaire if you put away 10% of your income each year starting from when you start your career.
Over paid I hope he means aldercreatures talk about being over paid worse than pro ballplayers [in every sport] and in every job in politics.
It's a shame that this job has become a 9 to 5 job.... collect a check and go home to your family. But this is what they want so f××× it... I say let them have it... save up and manage your money wisely so you can do 20 and out....
Rahm has quite a few other groups looking for contracts. At the City Colleges of Chicago alone, the clerical workers, security officers (composed largely of active and retired Chicago police officers) and the part-time faculty and librarians have all been negotiating for new contracts for months and years now. Unlike other units of government, the City Colleges have funds available, but would prefer to construct new buildings and award lucrative deals to their friends rather than paying employees. The district wants campus security officers to carry firearms, but does not want to indemnify them. Go figure.
We should all chip in and get Rahman one of those nifty I love cops shirts . He's been pandering to everyone else guess it's out turn now . Love the pic of him and Bruce together they make a cute couple.
Rahm, you can keep my retro and have my vote in exchange for a real Superintendent.
OT , need 40 more to sign up for retirement by October 1 for free health . Not this guy , 58 30 years , straight days , summer furlough , all the vri I want . A ticket , Parker , field contact a day , for $100 k a year . I ain't going to retire . Rahm , raise the mandatory retirement age to 67 , I'll be here for you .
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You are 100% right. I retired at 58 and now wish I had stayed a couple of more years. If you have a good spot stick with it. More deferred comp in the end. People with less than 25 years and no kids in college don't get it. There are a tremendous amount of variables involved in retirement (wife's job, kids ages, marital status, your position). No two people are the same. Anyone with 5-15 years is leaving at 20 and a day (I know, I was one of them). Reality takes effect around year 17-20. Grammar school, high school, and college tuition rule your life. In the end though, it all works out, somehow, some way. Good luck!
We used to get a 20 percent raise over a 4 year contract and complained about it than, now we are all happy over an 11 percent raise over 5 years ? Seriously ?
Rosco said -
.....The puny raise they offer won't even cover the benefits they'll change. I remember when the medical insurance was just about free....
9/04/2014 09:09:00 AM
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I remember when MINE was almost free, too - but it ISN'T anymore. Welcome to the economy.
NO ONE in the private sector has "free insurance". THAT benefit you took for granted cost the taxpayers a LOT of money in their own budget - it's about time you start paying your "fair share" for your platinum benefits package.
Don't think it's "platinum"?
Some people are paying $500-$700 a month or more - even with their employer paying a big chunk.
Better start figuring that into what you get paid overall.
If you are making $70,000 - but are NOT paying anything of significance for your healthcare a month - $50-$100 a month, tack on another $500-$600 a month minimum to your salary ($7,000- if not more) to see what you are really making in total compensation. The same goes for the pension.
Good healthcare costs a LOT of money.
been checking the contracts fo the middleclass n uppermiddle white suburbs and their departments are getting abot the same, dont like quit and work for walmart, we are in a depression , and our wonderful president is just giving our great military just a one cent raise but gives billions to illegal aliens and welfare receipts. remeber christ christie 2016
9/04/2014 04:10:00 PM
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Here is a guy who "gets it". We are IN a long-term depression and if you get any raise at all- BE THANKFUL.
Or, as he says - go try to get a job at Wal-Mart. See what kind of benefits you get about an hourly salary.
See how many holidays you DON'T get off. See how many benefits, you DON'T get "free". See how many benefits you don't get - period.
Interesting that the yearly raise is less than the increase in the rate of inflation.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
Thanks for the raise !
9/04/2014 04:57:00 PM
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How about a 10% CUT to keep your job?
How about a 20% cut and LESS paid benefits to keep your salary in line with the rest of society who has tightened their belt in the last 5-10 years while you have been getting a raise - but not increasing your productivity?
Take a 20% cut and start paying $450 a month for healthcare.
You don't like it? Leave -and see what you get for what you can offer skill-wise.
Understand the negative economy. If you get a 1-2% raise, that is a hell of a lot better than a 20% cut.
Wake up. The public trough is drying up.
"... Insist on a 2015 or 2016 end date, preferably the three year extension...."
Ummmm, it's a 5 yr contract that is already 2yr+ expired. We're also almost 3/4 of the way through 2014. The contract will expire in 2yrs, 9 months.
How can you not give me retro on my vri special ot? How can I afford to pay for my divorce lawyer?
No one can be worse than anti-union Rahm
For all you folks that think we have nothing to lose by going to arbitration, you are wrong. Because the letter was not sent, an arbitrater cannot even consider retro so any retro we get would be lost in arbitration. If you don't believe me, ask any po or attorney... I did.
Anonymous said...
Hello folks 5K here releasing the Green Bay Packers+5.5 as my lock of the day. Put that future retro check to work for you.
9/04/2014 05:43:00 PM
Typical cop. Know it all on everything and naturally....wrong!
Anonymous said...
I spoke with ald Zalewski the other day at Lindy's chili while scratching off some lottery tickets and he related that he feels that all city workers are overpaid. Really?
9/04/2014 10:13:00 PM
All city workers except for him,right?
"She makes $228 thousand a year." Let me reiterate what I said earlier, 'SHE IS ONE OF US'. If $228 Thousand is what she makes God bless her, that is what she makes FOR HER WORK. She earned that money by standing up to the Machine. That figure is less than what Phil Cline makes, and he is retired! As for her house in Hawaii, she inherited it. Following WWII property was actually reasonably priced in Hawaii and people, many of whom were vets bought homes their cheap. Rahm whose college major was Communication and Ballet earned millions of dollars following his employment for Clinton and Obama. Rahm exploited the connections he made in D.C. while he was allegedly in Public Service. Karen Lewis was a Union Member for 20 years and now she is a Union President. She is a Working Class Hero; overcome your issues and realize the facts.
All the bitching about the raise has all you dopes ignoring what Emanuel wants you to ignore and what Angelo wants you to ignore:
Contractual language you will see in this proposal that clearly states you agree to "reopen" the wage portion of the contract if laws are passed that steal your pension.
Wake the fuck up idiots. Evacuee neither the sergeants or lieutenants had a clue what they were doing to themselves es by agreeing to and overlooking this language in their quest for gold today.
If your contract contains wage reopeners to address you getting fucked by Emanuel in pension legislation, you will lose any chance of protecting your pensions in court.
Don't be fucking idiots, demand all reopeners involving pensions be removed from your contract unless you WANT to agree to having your only recourse for the violation of your pension rights be dealing with mr shithead when he has his buddies write new laws to fuck you OUT of your pension.
I will probably vote yes to the contract as long as they don't cut benefits and pension. I hope they hold the line on taxes. Probably not, but it's nice to dream.
The last contract had no raise for vri and Special, and small retro checks. They learned from their mistake years ago when they gave big retro checks.
The FOP endorses candidates hoping that enough coppers and their families will vote for these candidates, and these candidates will remember us in Springfield. All Unions endorse candidates, part of the game.
Anonymous said...
Don't give away pensionable raises for jive like uniform allowances, shift duty differential, or any other jive that was accepted by the young bloods years ago because they wanted a new toy right then and there. Raises count for the long haul.
Someone call Mrs Cleaver. I need a jive translator!
9/04/2014 04:46:00 PM
And don't call me Shirley!
Anonymous said...
Hello folks 5K here releasing the Green Bay Packers+5.5 as my lock of the day. Put that future retro check to work for you.
9/04/2014 05:43:00 PM
How did that plus 5.5 work out for you? Lock of the day, huh. Should have held out for 20.5
You remind me why I don't bet sports, thanks for that.
Anonymous said...
Rahm, you can keep my retro and have my vote in exchange for a real Superintendent.
9/05/2014 12:03:00 AM
Rahm, fuck this guy, give me his retro and make whatever idiot you want superintendent. I work in the engine room and do not care who steers me into the iceberg.
Someone call Mrs Cleaver. I need a jive translator!
9/04/2014 04:46:00 PM
And don't call me Shirley!
9/05/2014 10:30:00 AM
Randy: Can I get you something?
Second Jive Dude: 'S'mofo butter layin' me to da' BONE! Jackin' me up... tight me!
Randy: I'm sorry, I don't understand.
First Jive Dude: Cutty say 'e can't HANG!
Jive Lady: Oh, stewardess! I speak jive.
Randy: Oh, good.
Jive Lady: He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Randy: All right. Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine?
Jive Lady: [to the Second Jive Dude] Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da rebound on da med side.
Second Jive Dude: What it is, big mama? My mama no raise no dummies. I dug her rap!
Jive Lady: Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da help!
First Jive Dude: Say 'e can't hang, say seven up!
Jive Lady: Jive-ass dude don't got no brains anyhow! Shiiiiit.
The last contract had no raise for vri and Special, and small retro checks. They learned from their mistake years ago when they gave big retro checks.
9/05/2014 09:11:00 AM
They're not "GIVING" you anything. The retro checks are based on simple math. The only thing that controls the size of your retro check is the amount of the raise you receive vs. the time you worked without receiving it. If it was a "BIG" retro check, it's because you got a "BIG" raise over more time that you didn't receive. Now go back to banging your head off the wall and rolling around in your poo.
Simple response to this_ Vote it down !!!! the teachers union got 16% plus they are raising taxes of which how much is going towards education- CPS? This is bullshit!! what? we need to take the offer because he says so? fuck the city , we've been without a contract for 3 years and this is the best they want to give us? why?
Idiot. How about the 4% raise from their previous contract tgat was cancelled due to economic distress. Plus teachers work a longer day for no extra pay. Not to mention their seniority or tenure means nothing now. All they have to do is lower your efficiency rating. (Which the seem to do with the highest paid - tenured teachers ) and your gone - they hire young robot teachers fresh out of college. Karen Lewis looked good on Tv. But at the end of the day. Teachers got a worse deal than both cops and fireman.
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