Open Post for Contract Stuff
FOP has had a couple "townhall" type meetings. We want to keep this at the forefront of everyone's minds, so here you go.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
Thursday, September 18, 2014
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283 Comments:
The pay is on par, the rest is shit? Voting NO!!!!!!!
Why should we have furlough by watch? Seems to screw the folks that have paid their dues longer than anyone else. Seniority systems should favor the most senior, right?
I am encouraging folks and people to vote yes,,,It's terrible but the arbitrator will fuck us harder and we will be stuck in the wellness program too..HELLO
Damned if you vote yes and damned if you vote no. Do not forget this is MURDER CAPITAL and MOST GANGS in the U.S.A. Do not forget inflation is MINIMUM 2% a year. Do not forget STOCK MARKET flying so economy just GREAT. Do not for get "NEVER FORGET" we still die out there. THEREFORE, do not forget THIS IS NOT THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
Whether yes or no DO NOT FORGET!
I hate to sound negative and a cynic but this really is not a good contract. It is not right and we are giving up to much. Mediation would of been best but please vote this down. My voice is only one but I hope others agree.
why is the Board of Directors not represent the actual the actual active members of the FOP union. Look in the mirror officers...... We elected guys that are all retired.... why ? educate yourself before voting
I was at the Northside meeting tonight. I was impressed. The information disseminated helped to dispel some myths. I felt I had a pretty good grasp after examining the paper version of the tentative agreement, but I was mistaken. The issues were clarified by the speakers. Among the issues discussed that I had confusion about were: 1) The Medical Tier System, 2) The Pension Issue and 3)Tuition Reimbursement. The information tendered helped resolve all of my questions. I encourage every member to vote based on valid information - not rumor. Thanks for the information. I AM VOTING YES!
Dean Jr. was running his mouth and let the cat out of the bag tonight after the Northside town hall meeting. Said ballots for the vote on the contract were ready to go out last week but the labor attorneys strongly urged Dean Sr. to hold off on mailing them out after they saw how much members are ripping it to shreds on "that G-d damned blog". Also, they werent happy with how members reacted at yesterday's FOP meeting and especially after the cold reception they got tonight trying to sell this stinker of a contract. They're very nervous & scrambling because no one is buying the story they're selling us. That's why they picked the Southside location that they did. It's a small joint and won't hold too many angry coppers. Dean Jr. also got visibly angry and said how 'that fuckin' SCC is fucking things up for my Pops'.
next meeting is on the southside at guides bar on archer ave 22 sep 14 1630hrs. I went to the FOP meeting, and I went to the Northside meeting and I was originally a NO vote for the contract. I will be switching to a YES vote. Very good explanations of what we are getting, what we are giving up but more importantly WHY changes are being made and why these changes are inevitable. So, we need to ratify it.. If we dont we will be in worse shape then we are now and than we will be if the contract passes. I will be at the southside meeting also, just to compare notes to see consistency of the explanations and to help understand it all better. If you plan on voting no be sure you go to this meeting so you can at least get a good explanation of what this contract is about.. If you vote NO and it goes to arbitration and we end up loosing out on more than if it was passed you have no room to complain if you dont go to the meeting. Go to the meeting and get informed. If you dont, then your opinion on it is pretty pointless in my mind.. because I know that before I went to the meetings my views were different and were actually all incorrect.
I was at the forum, I think they made their case that all things considered it's not a bad deal. It's hard to negotiate when you are last. I think it's a shame that there was only about 50 coppers there but people will bitch here.
Anonymous said...
Maybe we can get one thing straight about the tuition reimbursement. NOTHING changes for a bachelor's degree. Still 100% for an A, 75% for any other passing grade. Period. The only change is if you want to pursue an master's degree and you are not enrolled in a master's program before 2016, you will fall under the new rules; 75% for an A, 50% for any other passing grsade. If this is a concern, get yourself enrolled in a master's program ASAP and you will be fine. I don't know the numbers, but there aren't a whole lot of people obtaining advanced degrees. Just a lot of trash talk from the uninformed.
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About 300 are currently enrolled. A new crop of about 300 appears every 2 years. With those numbers it appears that about 7% of the force is involved in the program. It's a big deal.
We have a contract issue for 3 helicopter pilots and 8 honor guard guys, so 7% is a big deal.
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that one issue about tuition reduction is the deal breaker for the contract.
Vote NO NO NO
9/17/2014 12:54:00 AM
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Just because you enroll before 2016 does not mean that you will be immune from the reduction in benefits. Angelo cornered the market on the tuition reimbursement business. Calumet will give you a scholarship for the deficiency. The deal appears to be rigged because the city will not discount the scholarship from the reimbursement amount. This is just the beginning. On the next contract, the city is going to try to diminish the benefit even more. Invest in yourselves and go to a real college while the benefit is still pretty good.
I am encouraging folks and people to vote yes,,,It's terrible but the arbitrator will fuck us harder and we will be stuck in the wellness program too..HELLO
Dean, you are starting to piss me off!
I am voting no for one reason. The city or should I say 9.5 wants to settle fast. NO WAY PAL!
Hey Anonymous 9/18/2014 12:55:00 AM Or should I say Dean. Nice try pal. You are sinking fast!!
I don't need to go to one of the total bullshit meetings. Not 2 tier system. NBo screwing new hires.. No screwing retirees.
I AM VOTING HELL NO!!
Did they give an explanation on the tier bs and why we have in our contract? Do the other unions have it? What are tier one hospitals?
Regarding retro in this agreement. It doesn't cover the 1st year of overtime. Isn't it interesting that when you work VRI or when the tac teams/units had their days off cancelled you are required to take cash that 1st year and you could not take time. So you can't cash those hours out when you retire. Is my bullsh*t detector off today? or is it correctly pegged in the brown?
I was at both meetings I am still voting NO! FOP had the ballots for awhile now and know they screwed up. V O T E NO!!
Vote no.
Wellness Program is preferable to this tiered healthcare nonsense.
Do not believe that any savings will be passed on to you. Remember, these are the same people who said "you can keep your doctor" to get the rubes to support Obamacare.
Emanuel thinks we're pieces of shit. He wants to take your benefits and give them to illegal aliens. Don't reward this asshole before his re-election bid.
Hey FOP since you are recording the meetings and posting edited versions, does that mean we can record and post non edited versions.
next meeting is on the southside at guides bar on archer ave 22 sep 14 1630hrs. I went to the FOP meeting, and I went to the Northside meeting and I was originally a NO vote for the contract. I will be switching to a YES vote. Very good explanations of what we are getting, what we are giving up but more importantly WHY changes are being made and why these changes are inevitable. So, we need to ratify it.. If we dont we will be in worse shape then we are now and than we will be if the contract passes. I will be at the southside meeting also, just to compare notes to see consistency of the explanations and to help understand it all better. If you plan on voting no be sure you go to this meeting so you can at least get a good explanation of what this contract is about.. If you vote NO and it goes to arbitration and we end up loosing out on more than if it was passed you have no room to complain if you dont go to the meeting. Go to the meeting and get informed. If you dont, then your opinion on it is pretty pointless in my mind.. because I know that before I went to the meetings my views were different and were actually all incorrect.
9/18/2014 02:13:00 AM
OK, Dean. Nice try. Stay off the blog. And it's losing, NOT loosing. Dumb ass
I think this contract is fair. I believe if we go to arbitration we will loose a lot more. Vote yes
Anonymous said...
I am encouraging folks and people to vote yes,,,It's terrible but the arbitrator will fuck us harder and we will be stuck in the wellness program too..HELLO
9/18/2014 12:25:00 AM
We have a "benefit" with our insurance now? After I go to my doctor for a check up I have a "wellness coach" calling me wanting to know if I would like to take advantage of the benefit? They say that based on the codes the doctor used to get paid by the insurance they Taylor my wellness concerns and come up with a healthy program to assist me back to health. Isn't that wonderful? What about Hippa regulations?
Went to forum voting yes, we won't get better! On another note how many have put in for the 55 and out, called fop they would not say! There should be a running tally on website!
If your on the fence see you at guides bar Monday, it'd your future at least come and listen, voice your opinion this gives you reason to bitch validly, see you there!
Voting no does not mean arbitration. It just means more discussion is needed. I'm voting no.
Can someone on here who has ultimately changed thier views on voting to yes explain the medical tier system?
when did the department members become so self centered? All I hear is what's in it for me? Fucking new people if and when they get hired is ok? Basically all a union can do is guarantee your seniority. Without it what good is a union? Take that away with furlough by watch and see how useful the union can be. Your all playing into rahm's plans of having coppers fuck themselves. I always thought that we were together looking out for each other. Boy, am I a dumb fuck!
Oh all the alleged "switches" from NO to yes!
Yeah.... more FOP shitheels trying to use the blog to their advantage.
Hey scabs.... how about after posting all your bullshit about WHY you claim your changing your vote you actually POSDT THE CONTENT OF THOSE MEETINGS HERE REGARDING SUCH THINGS AS THE PENSION BULLSHIT IN OUR CONTRACT?
No eh? Thought so.
More fucking hacks in the FOP trying to sell their bullshit sellout contract to the masses.
UNTIL THE FOP POSTS WHY PENSIONS ISSUES ARE IN THIS CONTRACT AND THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF SUCH LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT I AND US ALL SHOULD BE SHUTTING THIS BULLSHIT DOWN.
No arbitrator will have the authority to input pension language into our contract and abridge our right to sue.
On top of that, no arbitrator is going to CUT your raises to less than what every other police and union got so fuck off with your bullshit doom and gloom for a worse contract.
FOP**** POST HERE BEFORE THE BALLOTS ARE SENT WHY PENSION LANGUAGE IS IN THIS CONTRACT AFTER THE MEDICAL ABUSER HIMSELF STATED PUBLICLY ON HIS FACEBOOK PAGE BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED THAT HE WOULD LOOK AT THE PENSION LANGUAGE CAREFULLY BEFORE ACTING ON IT!!!
It's a FOP pension sellout folks, plain and simple. The rest is smoke and mirrors for the stupid.
am encouraging folks and people to vote yes,,,It's terrible but the arbitrator will fuck us harder and we will be stuck in the wellness program too..HELLO
We will not be put in wellness. It went to interest arbitration last contract. Look at back 75 on the arbitration from 2007-2012 contract on Fop website. These are some of Dean's lies. He was called out at the meeting for it and had no reply.
Is that what they are saying? We were last so it was tough? Well usually we are first and that didn't work out too well. Voting no based on health insurance and furlough by watch. Pension language is scary. The city is basically taking the money they are saving from delayed payments for duty availability and buying squad cars with money. ....we are getting 11%.... just don't know with retro or not. Quit saying arbitrator will screw us. ... nobody knows how they would rule so stop scaring everybody!
I forgot the details on this WELLNESS program.
I know they have fines but whats it about???
Since it is so feared.
I noticed that NONE of the FOP reps on the board for contracts are at any of the meetings discussing this.
I find this very suspicious if they are proud of their work why not shine on stage. They were paid just like the lawyers.
So where are they?
OR
Are the ashamed and hiding Behind Dean time to man up show us why Dean picked you to represent a multimillion dollar contract.
I am not a fan of Dean and did not vote for him for president. I do want to say he and his team did an outstanding job presenting the contract issues at the meeting. The attorneys were professional and explained everything in detail. The contract isn't the best but it is good. I am now voting yes for the contract. Inform yourselves and go to a meeting. Thanks Dean for a great job.
Best contract we're going to get. Vote yes. Arbitrator in city's pocket.
11% is garbage!everyone else is getting 3 plus a year!this contract is AN INSULT TO THE CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER!CRIME IS DOWN AND REVENUE IS UP!THE ECONOMY IS COMING BACK....NOW PAY US!!
There were 50-70 people at the contract meeting last night. If you go to a meeting, you will vote Yes. Every thing is explained. Arbitration will be costly for all of us. Everyone complaining on SCC but no one at meeting. Unbelievable. Get informed people. The contract is decent-not great. If you vote no you'll lose 4% pay increase over your entire life time. That's compounded interest until the day you die. It will effect your pension. Don't be short sighted. Vote Yes.
Be safe out there.
Vote yes
Many things most of us are not happy with WILL be given to us by an arbitrator. Has anyone really been happy with the arbitrators decision last contract. No way will we do better then this ........... Vote yes
Guide's bar kicks ASS!
They are trying their damnedest to hoodwink us. 26 years on this job and I have never seen FOP put this much effort into trying to convince the members to vote up a contract. I'll vote yes when there is a stipulation in the contract that ensures TIF funds are used to shore up our pension shortages. I'll vote yes when there is a stipulation in the contract that guarantees a percentage of any future casino proceeds are applied first to our pension fund. I also was at the northside meeting last night. And while they did do a decent job of explaining particulars, color me unimpressed. I've been on the job long enough to trust my gut and instincts and I stand by my first gut reaction that this needs to be voted down. I'll take my chances with an arbitrator. Keeping what my seniority is actually worth and not screwing over new guys is something you cannot put a price on. I suggest everyone else think log and hard before they drink FOPs Kool-Aid.
what is with all this push for education. How many officers have college education and still can not pass a test that they have all the answer to in general orders,special orders, Illinois law, city law etc. are there any questions on the test you can not find an answer for.Dean has a phd and could never pass a test. He sure didn't pass the test for being a negoator. he want the contract passed because he doesn't have the education to be a good aribator. both these are specialties. Take your college funds and give it to the party in charge and make meritous promotions.
Vote no! Dean I hope you are not turning back on your word. Jr. Is a joke
Fact: The Sgt's and Lt's contract is settled.
Fact: they both have wellness.
Fact: they both bid by watch.
Fact: Sgt's not sure about Lt's received 9% over four years.
Fact: Both have reopened a if their pension contribution goes up.
Fact: We keep the PPO plan our contribution stays the same out of each check and based on the tier system we may pay more we may pay less depending on the doctor and hospitals you use but our maximum out of pocket remains $3,000.
Fact: we are getting 2% 7/1/2012, 2% 1/12013 and another 2% 7/1/2013. 6% compounded l of which is retro except OT 7/12012 to 6/13/2013.
Fact: we go to arbitration the arbitrator will bypass any in erases or retro 7/1/2012 to 6/30/2013. The FOP took the "letter" issue to court and were ruled against. So realistically we could look at not only less retro but less % in our salary which could be 9% like the Sgt's and it could be over 4 years.
Unfortunately Rahm wnts this contract settled and he put just enough in there to make it worth voting yes.
Don't shoot yourself in the foot just to make a statement "f the mayor." Its ignorant and childish. We will definetly do worse with arbitration, the other contracts are proof.
Voting Yes, because I don't see an "independent and unbiased" arbitrator that is in cahoots with Rahm getting us a better deal. Remember arbitrator Edwin Benn last time? How did that work out?
Overall What was explained was Better than the UnKnown of Arbitration....We are the LAST ones up and saved many things the other unions agreed too. We Run a Bad Risk of an Arbitrator prolonging this and then stuffing it down our throats anyways! I was at the Town Hall Meeting and in my Opinion it is a Better Deal than Not! The Wellness program we Do Not have sucks and the Line was held on Most things we have now.....Rebounding from The Shields Team Mess was done with this team and we can't go back in time and UN DO it.....Vote YES and Move into 2017 stronger and Smarter....COMPARED to our LAST contract that was a disaster and we did not come ahead we Will do better on this one...
ALL Seriously ( 18 yrs on- Family of 4 with Kids not retiring for another 10yrs). YES !!!
Thanks and let's get this done and over!
It's amazing how many cops have absolutely no understanding of the difference between pensions and the contract. It's amazing how many don't understand their own health benefits. But, it's most amazing how many cops are so sure of these things because they heard it somewhere from some guy or they read a newspaper article about it.
Pension is law. Contract is a working agreement.
The FOP cannot diminish my pension because my pension constitutional right is my right, not the FOP's right. The IL Supreme Court ruled on this during the summer.
Anonymous said...
next meeting is on the southside at guides bar on archer ave 22 sep 14 1630hrs. I went to the FOP meeting, and I went to the Northside meeting and I was originally a NO vote for the contract. I will be switching to a YES vote. Very good explanations of what we are getting, what we are giving up but more importantly WHY changes are being made and why these changes are inevitable. So, we need to ratify it.. If we dont we will be in worse shape then we are now and than we will be if the contract passes. I will be at the southside meeting also, just to compare notes to see consistency of the explanations and to help understand it all better. If you plan on voting no be sure you go to this meeting so you can at least get a good explanation of what this contract is about.. If you vote NO and it goes to arbitration and we end up loosing out on more than if it was passed you have no room to complain if you dont go to the meeting. Go to the meeting and get informed. If you dont, then your opinion on it is pretty pointless in my mind.. because I know that before I went to the meetings my views were different and were actually all incorrect.
Mike O this is a lie. Everyone left the meeting understanding the contract and voting yes. The meeting wasn't warm or cold it was a fucking meeting for information. If you were there you would know.
I'm voting yes, with the majority of other officers in my district.
We all have to bend over and take it deep in the ass! More money needs to be spent on illegals (future voters). We are irrelevant.
http://pando.com/2014/04/04/revealed-rahm-emanuel-cuts-public-pensions-diverts-money-to-benefit-campaign-donors/
The more I hear from the union the more I feel they sold us out, again. Im voting no. then I am dropping out of this union. I will pay the fair share until the us supreme court puts end to that. If I don't do shit I don't have to worry about lawsuits.
I see Dean and the other union sellouts have been on this site sending in the vote yes message. Don't fall for their lies.
watched the vids on the FOP site. Not too impressed. The Rule 14 one could have had more details about the new 14 agreement.
Can you guys (we know you read this stuff) do a vid about the Pension wording? That really makes us nervous.
Can we incentivize the FTO program more ? Probably should increase their pay since NO ONE wants to do it....
"...Calumet will give you a scholarship for the deficiency. The deal appears to be rigged because the city will not discount the scholarship from the reimbursement amount..."
ridiculous...just like the bs programs that include book/materials in their tuition --and don't require payment until you get your A-- at which time city pays them...its rigged nonsense diploma mill crap
Any use of ambiguous language is a sure tell that the city and Lil' Rahmicide "intend" (WILL) stick it in your backside. They "may" (WILL NOT) grease it up first. Look for clearly defined (simple) language that is concise and specific. Legal language is deliberately slippery and you can be sure the cities people are hoping you will not take the time or the effort to critically dissect the new contract. Do not be distracted by the shiny objects and cheap trinkets that are easily within your grasp. As a previous poster mentioned there is a reason Stumpy wants this done quickly.
P.S. Dean Jr, you can stop with the multiple "I went to the meeting and now I've changed my mind" crap. It isn't fooling anyone.
Why should we have furlough by watch?
Because someone really wants the contract as it is proposed to pass. When you look at the age breakdown of our officers , the majority have less than 2o years on . Many are stuck on midnights with over ten years on.
This is a carrot for the people that don't look at the bigger picture of how this contract is bad.
For the people that believe that if we go to arbitration we will get screwed ,just read the arbitrator's decision in its entirety first and make an informed opinion.
Just remember this. With every major contract negotiation Rham and his people rushed to announce in the media that a deal has been tendered or agreed upon. Then these 'deals' were voted down or in the teachers case they waled out. Then Rham agreed to further changes. That is how he negotiates! He is not expecting us to take the first deal. Would he like it? Yes, but knows that in this election season he will have to give in a bit more. I want my money, an the sooner the better. BUT, I waited this long, I'm willing to wait a little longer for a better deal. It can and it will happen! An arbitrator won't want to mess with health care or pension deductions!!! For our future I'm voting no. And young or old, we all have a future.
Guides? Be some angry coppers there after they try to find parking (4-6 rush hour on Archer) then pack into a bar that's crowded with the regular patrons who will be priming themselves for the Bears on MNF in a few hours.
Bad choice for a meeting place FOP
Anonymous FLOP getting pissed said...
Dean Jr. was running his mouth and let the cat out of the bag tonight after the Northside town hall meeting. Said ballots for the vote on the contract were ready to go out last week but the labor attorneys strongly urged Dean Sr. to hold off on mailing them out after they saw how much members are ripping it to shreds on "that G-d damned blog". Also, they werent happy with how members reacted at yesterday's FOP meeting and especially after the cold reception they got tonight trying to sell this stinker of a contract. They're very nervous & scrambling because no one is buying the story they're selling us. That's why they picked the Southside location that they did. It's a small joint and won't hold too many angry coppers. Dean Jr. also got visibly angry and said how 'that fuckin' SCC is fucking things up for my Pops'.
9/18/2014 01:38:00 AM
Coppers are their own worst enemy. Vote no and I believe we will get fucked even worse. There is no control at all over what an as yet unknown arbitrator will do.
As it is we get 2% for 2012. Under an arbitrator 2012 will not even be considered. Lost that already. Does anyone really think an arbitrator will make up that 2% in some other year?
Here is a link to part of that meeting explaining some of the contract and possible repercussions of a "NO" vote:
Excerpt video from 16Sep14 FOP Meeting
IS THIS TRUE?
Any firemen reading?
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pg 2) - we will be losing the duty availability for new hires for 42mos.(city
offered 54 mos.) / Fire Dept lost this in their contract.
IS THIS TRUE TOO?
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However, since Captains and Sergeants accepted 2% it would be hard for an arbitrator to rule higher than 2%.
Dont fuck me in my contract gimme my money=im happy
CFD got the Tier 1 /2 treatment too? can they chime in?
Anonymous said...
Maybe we can get one thing straight about the tuition reimbursement. NOTHING changes for a bachelor's degree. Still 100% for an A, 75% for any other passing grade. Period. The only change is if you want to pursue an master's degree and you are not enrolled in a master's program before 2016, you will fall under the new rules; 75% for an A, 50% for any other passing grsade. If this is a concern, get yourself enrolled in a master's program ASAP and you will be fine. I don't know the numbers, but there aren't a whole lot of people obtaining advanced degrees. Just a lot of trash talk from the uninformed.
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About 300 are currently enrolled. A new crop of about 300 appears every 2 years. With those numbers it appears that about 7% of the force is involved in the program. It's a big deal.
We have a contract issue for 3 helicopter pilots and 8 honor guard guys, so 7% is a big deal.
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that one issue about tuition reduction is the deal breaker for the contract.
Vote NO NO NO
9/17/2014 12:54:00 AM
You are nuts. Dealbreaker? Your skull is too damn thick to ponder such large words. From 100% to 75% on graduate degrees and not until 2016. Dealbreaker? Oh come on. Shirley you jest. That is it, you are joking. OK, I get it. Right, dealbreaker, ha ha. I know, and don't call me Shirley.
What did the FOP bring to the table? Never mention any of what they do unless its election year and they promise so many changes. Seniority is WHAT WE ALL EARNED unless you have clout and you never been the police you will never understand that. For all you that are saying vote yes most likely the retro and furlo by watch are making you go along. This has been my third or fourth contract always a year or two late, so if the city wanted to make things right WHY IN THE FUCK ARE WE ALWAYS LAST. Why hasn't the FOP ever mention residency, hiring more bodies, funding our pension with the money they OWE US, THEN WE COULD SIT DOWN AND NEGOTIATE in good faith. ALWAYS A ONE WAY TAKE IT OR TRY YOUR LUCK WITH ARBITRATOR. Wake up officers fuck the retro think ahead when you are 50 years old and have 27 plus years HOW COULD WE RETIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE with all the money we be paying for shitty benefits hope to god the PENSION is fully funded which I am not holding my breath on it. A majority of officers here in 008 district were content with the explanation and the fact the FOP ALREADY SIGN THE FURLO BY WATCH REALLYYYYYYYYYYY. AMAZING if contract has not been voted on how could FOP give innnnnnnnn. Think and vote smart god bless us with this corrupt city and useless UNION.
FYI. Information concerning health insurance benefits for those who retire age 55-59 or 60-65:
I had read on a previous post that retirees have a different insurance policy than when you are active. I just spoke to Maggie at the Pension Board, and she said that the retiree health insurance policy is the exact same policy as active members. She said that nothing changes in our coverage.
Since I am BCBS/PPO, I called BCBS too, and they verified that my plan is the exact same plan today as it was when I was still working.
I for one could give a fuck about the tuition stuff.
Just to clarify, there is an arbitration that specifically states FOP does NOT have have to join the wellness program.
Attend these informational meetings and educate yourself on the tentative agreement. It's your future and you owe it to yourself to get the FACTS, not another officer's interpretation, of the tentative agreement.
Everyone keeps talking about how if we go to arbitration we are screwed. Also how nothing good ever comes of arbitration ..... Ok then, can someone please list specifics on when going to arbitration in the past has hurt us. I am just asking. I am all for making an informed decision. Looking for some hard facts..... Not just "nothing good ever comes out of arbitration"
All I know is I voted for Paschke.
Vote NO !! Fuck the retro, if your that broke to settle for peanuts you have problems.
Anonymous said...
Why should we have furlough by watch? Seems to screw the folks that have paid their dues longer than anyone else. Seniority systems should favor the most senior, right?
9/18/2014 12:21:00 AM
Putz, Your wrong. It favors the most senior on your watch.
It allows for each watch to schedule time due, personals, furlough extensions etc. without stealing officers from other watches to fill in. Put some time on this job, quick your whining, and get used to it.
Shitty time and location for the south side town hall meeting--middle of rush hour leaves 2nd watch tough travel and 3rd watch totally left out of it.
WE CAN'T AFFORD YOUR PENSIONS.
WE CAN'T AFFORD TAKING CARE OF THE ELDERLY, THE DISABLED, THE VETERANS!
WE CAN'T AFFORD YOUR WAGE INCREASES THAT LOWER YOUR STANDARD OF LIVING.
Instead of QE, the Fed Could Have Given $56,000 to Every Household in America
We CAN afford bonuses and bailouts for millionaire bankers and politicians.
We can afford more military hardware and training for Syrian rebels that desert to join ISIS right after we arm them.
We can afford bus tickets, plane fares, food stamps and healthcare for each and every unaccompanied illegal immigrant that crosses our unprotected border.
We can afford tax breaks for corporations. Bike paths, Monuments to corrupt politicians, sports stadiums and celebrations that glorify death and destruction like the Great Chicago Fire.
This is NOT a recession!
This is ROBBERY!
LADIES AND GENTLEMAN
I was a unit rep the last time we voted down a contract. To those who think that an arbitrator is going to over rule all of the issues raised here on SCC is not how it has or will work.
Two facts can not be changed:
One - is Shields did not send the letter in on time. Remember that Core group that was negotiating with the city also had Aguliar and Dougherty. The had been thru the process twice before. For what ever reason they let that happen on purpose.
Two - all of the other Public Safety Unions went before us a caved on major issues.
So we started this process with one leg cut off and one arm tied behind our backs. Given the above two points what issue do you think we are shoe in to win at arbitration?
Every issue that I don’t like for us has a delayed start date. The other unions can work out the kinks. Every other union has agreed to these items. The sergeant’s voted down their contract and the arbitrator give the same contract back to them.
What argument can you give the arbitrator for any issue other than raises why we are different that any other unions?
If we go to arbitration every one loses money for the first year. We will not be the only ones not in the City’s wellness program. Remember every city employee is in that pile of shit.
So if you see Aguliar, Dougherty, or Shields thank them for not sending in the letter.
Thank Sgt. Jimmy Ade and Paul Bilotta for caving in to the city on every major issue.
And thank any firefighter union official for not going to arbitration. Once they caved all hope for us to save off some of this was lost.
I’m voting YES because with a no vote we can only lose more.
SECRET//NOFORN
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The FOP Labor attorney negotiating our contract is Joe Burns.This blog had posts about the coziness of people and their brother in laws doing security for Mell that now occupy the FOP house.
Please confirm or deny that a labor law firm associated with the FOP labor attorney donated to a Democratic machine political operative....Please confirm or deny the FOP leadership past/present relationship with the Mell family..Please explain/disprove photo and/or financial information that may or may not exist.
Please confirm/deny that the law firm is not associated with FOP Joe Burns.
Very sensitive.
VOTE NO
Since I've been on (20 years) every single contract was delayed and settled in arbitration. Unfortunately we have to vote no, so that we can get a better deal.
this contract suks. vote no, no ,no . why? because dean was told what to accept for the members in record time. no discussion - 3 months and we have a contract. well lets takea look shall we. first the newest members are sold out by not receiving duty availability which is pensionable - a give back in addition to the new two tier pension for the new hires. once again they get screwed . now you see how the city will change are pensions, thru the fop. don't believe me ask them. say hey why did you agree to screw the new members over, why aren't they getting duty availability and by the way why did you agree to a two tier pension system for new hires. watch these guys , they inserted language into this contract, what id they cap the cola or raise the age or reduce the percentage amount , your screwed and don't tell me your covered by the constitution they sell us out by agreeing to it we are done. next comp time , what the f---- . we had the city by the balls , the federal judge said, " you can't deny an officer his time off, he earned it you city of Chicago must hire back officers at time and one half to fill the beat cars. the fop sold us out with the officer exchange program and now dean is selling us out with the agreed to language of , " we can deny an officer comp time on reasonable grounds." wtf , hey dean why don't u tell the city to start hiring us back at time and one half , let the federal judge ruled, thanks for selling us out again. next the big 11% raise, it stinks, the cost of food has tripled in the last six years not counting the shrinkage of the packaging. your property taxes, water bill, electric, gasoline , city stickers, house/car insurance have gone up more than 2% and after the medical increases ( which includes the increased deductibles ) and the ultimate screw job( increase in fraternal dues ) your 11% raise is really 5% over five years. vote no, no ,no . the pension language is the biggy folks, don't let them insert any language on the pension period, they already sold out the new guys don't let them screw us over.
I will be voting 'No' ... tired of the slick way in which things are done - with the attitude of "take a bite from this shit sandwich, it's really doesn't taste that bad ~ and if you think it does, keep eating it and you will get use to it." Stop saying, "this is the best we are going to get" - & vote 'yes' STOP. Because the way I see it is, the 'best' isn't too fucking good. I'm not afraid of arbitration, or of its consequences.
Why are we asking for a salary increase for helicopter pilot , civilianize the job we can man two more beat cars .
Why no reduction on Merit political. Promotions ?
Why no increase in bid assignments to the second watch
Or for choice assignments. Caps office , secretary office , crossing guard supervisor tactical secretary , document section , reps , crime lab .
Furlough selection is fair , why ? Do you want second watch and not so. good furlough or if stuck on afternoons at least you can get a decent furlough .
On days take a full winter or fall furlough , you are guaranteed a summer baby furlough .
It looks like this new leadership is friendly with the 5th floor.
Why no request for all two man cars on afternoon and midnight watch , the leadership is out of touch with patrol . It is an election year , crime is up , vote no.
We can do better than 11% in fact more is owed to us and Arbitrator Ben made a point of that during the last contract. Not even cost of living raise. Advocate health care dominates the south side of Chicago and most likely majority of police and fire go there so if you vote yes be ready to pay 25% out of pocket. We fought hard for many years for the duty availability and now we want to give up a portion to new hires until 42 months, remember once we give it up we will not EVER get it back, also it starts with 42 months with I'm sure an attempt in the future to wipe it out. Make sure you read everything in the proposal before you decide. I'm voting NO 20 year veteran.
Few points
1. I don't recall being asked what WE want. This smells more like a "deal" than a "negotiation".
That aside...
2. The other unions already gave up what we don't want. (Duty for new guys, wellness, two tiers)
3. That year of pay we might not get COMPOUNDS. If we don't get it now we make much less going forward.
4. A no-vote is NOT a vote to reopen negotiations. A no-vote is a ticket to Arbitratorville.
5. The City WILL slam us as greedy in the media, and smear us in front of the Arbitrator.
6. The GOP is not stopping Obamacare. We will be on it soon. Enjoy Lutheran General while you still can.
7. All you guys with 15-19 years on and who have 20-30 lbs extra hanging over your duty belt: READ up on that Wellness program. You are not gonna like it. Look up what "BMI" means.
8. We don't vote (not even for one of our own). Nobody cares what we think, see, smell, feel, etc.
9. Finally, the City Council (The People's elected representatives) can over ride our yes or no vote if they want.
Vote no, this is an up and coming election year. The city will sweeten the pie or we will conduct Marches around City Hall and where ever the Mayor appears while he is campaigning for the media and lets citizens see how unhappy we are, this will not look good while he is campaigning. We may have to break away from FOP and do this on our own for pressure. We must stand together!
"Remember, Remember the 5th of November...The Gunpowder Treason and Plot."....I know of no reason why the gun powder treason should ever be forgot"...
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Take a look at this boys and girls. Ewww the contracts good.... Bite Me
So tell me Dean and Useless back stabbing lawyers, how do you feel know? ASSHOLES
http://pando.com/2014/04/04/revealed-rahm-emanuel-cuts-public-pensions-diverts-money-to-benefit-campaign-donors/
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am encouraging folks and people to vote yes,,,It's terrible but the arbitrator will fuck us harder and we will be stuck in the wellness program too..HELLO
9/18/2014 12:25:00 AM
Prove it. Has that happened before? Do you know the arbitrator personally? Wheat else is this crystal ball of yours telling ya? You say it's terrible but the wellness program scares you more. Get your fat ass outside and get running, it's called good health. You can even live longer and possibly enjoy the pension we may or may not have. You vote yes because you are afraid of the wellness program? You are pathetic. Pension, medical, raise are the major issues which concern us coppers. You are worried about the wellness plan. Do you ride in those electric shopping scooters at the grocery store? With your uniform on? Sad...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
next meeting is on the southside at guides bar on archer ave 22 sep 14 1630hrs. I went to the FOP meeting, and I went to the Northside meeting and I was originally a NO vote for the contract. I will be switching to a YES vote. Very good explanations of what we are getting, what we are giving up but more importantly WHY changes are being made and why these changes are inevitable. So, we need to ratify it.. If we dont we will be in worse shape then we are now and than we will be if the contract passes. I will be at the southside meeting also, just to compare notes to see consistency of the explanations and to help understand it all better. If you plan on voting no be sure you go to this meeting so you can at least get a good explanation of what this contract is about.. If you vote NO and it goes to arbitration and we end up loosing out on more than if it was passed you have no room to complain if you dont go to the meeting. Go to the meeting and get informed. If you dont, then your opinion on it is pretty pointless in my mind.. because I know that before I went to the meetings my views were different and were actually all incorrect.
9/18/2014 02:13:00 AM
You wrote a whole essay about why you are voting yes. Yet you haven't said one thing stating why? Get to the point!
When Rahm is quick to pay you with a smile... That's just odd. That just does not happen. So ask yourself... Why? Oh why does he want to pay us so quick...?
Hello...OBAMA and HOLDER you there? We are waiting for your heralded discussion of race any minute now. If you connect the dots from Ferguson all the way to the N.F.L. you are going to see a trend of lack of impulse control,violence against women AND children and a propensity for violent reactions for any sort of authority figure. This occurs in ALL communities BUT spiraling out of control in the BLACK COMMUNITY. Only a Black Leader can address this, it is Kryptonite for any Non-Black to even breath it.
Why is there always special provisions in our contracts for certain small groups, ie: evidence-tech's, dogs, boat chasers and now for the choppers and undertakers. No one forced them to do that, they volunteered just to get out of the beat car. So much special bull shit for the few!
I don't think the contract is perfect but one thing is for sure, we will lose the raise and retro for year one. So considering that, yes we gave up medical and tuition, but we got to wellness and retro. We might keep medical with arbitrator and tuition but worth trade off to keep the raise in long term.
hey ssc my two cents for what ever it is worth contract is not great but look at gary in, no praise raise for 10 years , no more no tax base , im voting yes if you dont like IT transfer and do a lateral to either maywood pd or robbins ill, pd and see how you like IT , obama ands eric holder have destroyed american 45 million unemployed , try working at walmart just for record obama care has screwed everybodies insurance including the VA,
The best way to be an informed voter is listen and ask questions, not listen to the same people at roll call who are never happy about anything.
FOP just sent me an email alert that there is a second town hall meeting on Monday 22 Sept 14 at 1630 hrs.
Guide's Sports Bar & Grill
5544 S. Archer Ave.
Chicago, Illinois
Rahm is a finance guy. It's about money, cutting the fat, and reducing the deficit. This contract seems to me that he is nickle and diming. Cutting costs here and there to reduce his liabilities for the city. How is our contract suppose to resolve the city's issue if they were misappropriating funds on their own. You can't always give money away.
1. Squad cars are not a contract issue. The City has to provide equipment anyways. Vehicles are made to run much longer so going over 100,000 miles is no biggie. How many people buy used cars and drive them till they die.
2. Introducing language in the contract that can be used in legislation is the first stroke of death. Why resort to, "I got mine" and "let the kids be affected". Huge mistake. We should protect our pension at all costs.
3. Reduce the reimbursement for a masters degree? Really?! The sergeants kept their tuition reimbursement without changes. Why open the door to reduction and ultimately further future reductions. For a long time we have heard tuition reimbursement will be eliminated. A good majority of officers have their bachelor degree. New hires are being employed with bachelor degrees. Why agree to reduce our benefit?
4. Lastly, abritration can be a crap shoot, but yet is a process where both sides present their issues and their needs. Voting down the contract is not a bad move, but making the union aware of what points are not acceptable is important - so, such points would not be introduced or supported during abritration. At the same time, the union must make a case of the previous abritration ruling that involved a statement (in a round about way), that once the economy recovers the issue of pay increases can be revisited in the next abritration for further compensation. The economy has recovered. The city's deficit has no bearing on the economical state, because the input of money is flowing freely. One example, water bills have increased to about $800 - $1000 a year for single family homes. That's triple to quadruple the previous norm amount.
Just a suggestion, do not resort to "just get it over with." We haven't had a contract for this long, what difference does it make if it goes longer. It doesn't matter because our current contract, though expired, is still enforceable. We are protected. If you have 2, 5, 10, 16, 25, or 29 years then the end result is "do not give, fight and win."
- Food for thought -
Vote no , election year and no gains in bid positions for office assignments , no demand for adding another 1500 police officers to next years budget . Why a one year extension , who does that benefit .
Take this to the arbitrator. Of course we have always known this.
Revealed: Rahm Emanuel cuts public pensions, diverts money to benefit campaign donors
The scheme has gotten so out of control that, according to Good Jobs First, annual TIF revenues now far exceed the annual cost of funding the city’s pension systems. The report shows that in 2013 Chicago’s pension costs were $385 million whereas Emanuel’s slush fund that year received $457 million.
http://pando.com/2014/04/04/revealed-rahm-emanuel-cuts-public-pensions-diverts-money-to-benefit-campaign-donors/
Yes seniority should favor the most senior on each watch .
Where is the seniority issue for 95% watch selection and only 5% management . to many clout babies , union afraid to rock the boat . Police Officers should not be assigned to secretary and other clerical assignment . Every clerical and district commander secretary position should be a bid job . If an officer can handle the front dest he can surely handle commander secretary spot . A five year contract , unless the 5th year gives us a 5% raise , forget it . Five year contract is beneficial to the city , not us .I have 15 years on and will take chances with an arbitrator , we will get same as fireman , Vote No.
Yada Yada Yada.."The Lawyers said this and that and said this is a good contract"..The Lawyers are being paid by Dean Angelo. They will say whatever Dean wants them to say to the gullible FOP Members..They didn't go to Law School. They went to Liars School..VOTE NO!
Non-contract related, but it should be or should have been. This is in regard to deferred compensation. Please read it to the end, this is important information!
https://www.chicagodeferredcomp.com/tcm/chicagodeferredcomp/static/ChicagoPlanDocument.pdf
Under Article VI, the City of Chicago has to deposit deferred compensation into the employee account within a "reasonable amount of time" which the city defines as 30 days. This is completely UNACCEPTABLE and should be changed. This SHOULD be a FOP issue, as well as for all 32,160 City of Chicago employees.
For anyone who thinks this 30 day period is "reasonable" I ask you to ask yourself would you allow the city to NOT pay you on the 1st or the 16th if you weren't participating in deferred compensation? Modern technology allows for transfer of money with the click of a mouse. Why isn't the City of Chicago depositing YOUR deferred compensation money into your account with Nationwide just as it does on the 1st and the 16th with your payroll check to your banking institution?
In speaking with a Nationwide supervisor today I was advised that Nationwide uses an EFFECTIVE date of deposit, regardless of the date which the City of Chicago deposits your money. So for payroll date 01SEP14 the EFFECTIVE date Nationwide used to credit your account was 12SEP14. What this means is that you will be credited for gains or losses on that part of your deferral from the date of 12SEP14, even if the city doesn't deposit your contribution until after that EFFECTIVE date. As of 18SEP14 the City of Chicago still has not deposited funds into Nationwide from the 01SEP14 payroll date.
Now here is where you should be concerned and the FOP should be organizing and leading the way with all the other unions in the city. There are a total of 32,160 City of Chicago employees per the 2014 budget. MANY are in deferred compensation. MANY are losing money at the fiduciary neglect of the City of Chicago. This is borderline criminal! Think of this City of Chicago employees....
The City is intentionally with-holding YOUR money for a period of 10-12 days PER PAY PERIOD, FOR EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE ENROLLED IN DEFERRED COMPENSATION! This is a huge amount of cumulative money and in essence is an interest free loan the city is getting on the backs of city employees. Here are the numbers that I have come up with, based on just 1 city employee.
The city with-holds deposits for 10 days per pay period, multiplied by 26 pay periods. That is equal to 260 days PER YEAR that you are not getting the full value of your deferred compensation funds. Multiplied over a 20 year career, that equates to 5200 days, or 14.24 years that you are not getting the full, cumulative interest value of YOUR money!
Now using the above numbers, think of how much money the city is earning off the backs of the 32,160 possible deferred compensation participants! This is CRIMINAL and should NOT be tolerated any longer. I urge the FOP to take the lead with this and inform the other city unions. This CAN be changed. It's an agreement between the City and it Employees.
At the minimum the City should have to pay a penalty and/or interest on those days an employee was harmed and deprived by the City's intentional with-holding of money that does NOT belong to them!
Pay attention to the hospital coverage.
With these different tiers and hefty percentages for us to pay this was a HUGE concession on FOP's part.
Reason enough to vote NO.
Absent during all this contract stuff are the proposals by FOP and the City of Chicago. We only got the end product and didn't see what each side proposed. I think providing the membership with this information would really shed some light on how bad this contract really is for The members!
Is Northwestern a Tier II hospital? I can't get a straight answer from FOP!
Lastly, why is the south side town hall meeting being held at Guides (sw side tavern)? Couldn't FOP get European Chalet, The Mayfield or even that dump VFW on 63rd Street for their meeting!
I'm voting No for what it's worth!
BTW, where is Mike Shields these days?
SCC Please Look!
OT - One of John Garridos people came by for a signature for his upcoming campaign. I had accepted clip board and then guy said second sheet is for Rahm please sign both. I politely returned clip board with no signatures explaining if he is with Rahm I am not with him. Is this an accident? I hope so.... I checked his website and called but the # is for a legal services business with no answer.... WTF
OT for all of us that sent our children to private schools .
Rahm not only gave cps students 5 extra points to pass the 1023 police test , cps students are given preference for every recruit class . Example , private school lottery number 13## not called for spp 29 recruit class , cps preference 3### will be in the sep 29 class.
Total BS , unfair , Fire Dept Union is sueing city to prevent this discrimination , FOP says nothing , what type of union is afraid to fight city hall? fop
"If I remember correctly, the State covers our pension agreements via the Illinois Constitution UNLESS there is pension verbiage in the union contract. Listen to the people who insist we cannot allow pension language or details of any kind into the contract."
I'd like to know where you got your information from. The State Constitution seems pretty explicit: Section viii, article v. The Constitution can only be changed an amendment requiring a 3/5 majority and a by a majority of the electorate. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't care about anything but pension do not put that in contract. You can keep the retro, and I'm happy with no raise. Leave my pension alone. We're gonna get screwed regardless on healthcare eventually. Tuition reimbursement furlough picks all perks that don't really make a difference. I have 25 yrs on if my furlough changes cause of older guys than me on days il deal with it, if I want to further my education that's my problem, but don't touch my pension something I might need when i can't take care of myself. You guys working all that special employment helping the city not hire our one the reasons were short, don't be shortsighted again.
Pension clause is Article XIII, not Artcle viii. Sorry for the confusion.
Don't be short sighted. Vote Yes.
Be safe out there.
Can someone please take Deans computer away?
http://pando.com/2014/04/04/revealed-rahm-emanuel-cuts-public-pensions-diverts-money-to-benefit-campaign-donors/
Wait until you read this??
I wanted to puke in my mouth today while listening to our district F.O.P. rep encouraging everyone to vote "Yes" because it really, really is a good contract.
If its from the Mayors negioiating team, then the only way to fully know what's in the Contract is to RATIFY it !
Put your trust in the hands of the worlds fairest and humble mayor.
I love Rahm. He hasn't yet let us down.
Four more years! Four more years!
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Anonymous said...
I am not a fan of Dean and did not vote for him for president. I do want to say he and his team did an outstanding job presenting the contract issues at the meeting. The attorneys were professional and explained everything in detail. The contract isn't the best but it is good. I am now voting yes for the contract. Inform yourselves and go to a meeting. Thanks Dean for a great job.
9/18/2014 07:40:00 AM
Thanks Ray Casiano! Just do your job and send out the ballots cause I'm voting no! Why are you guys pushing so HARD to sell this contract to the members? Why not just blame Shields? Is it because YOU have something to gain?
I am an old retired guy, so I won't presume to tell you guys how to vote, all I will say is find out the facts for yourself don't be bamboozled by the pros or cons. I do know if it isn't written specifically it's not bindding don't fall for the lawyers bs we will address that later.
On another note I would like to know why the FOP switched dental insurance carriers? I had no problem with the one they are getting rid of. Went to the dentist today he said I don't know why the switch is occurring, he said the coverage is much better with the one being replaced. Guess with a new regime,just like in politics, they reward their friends. I guess money talks an bs walks will always govern everything. My 10 cents worth today, stay safe.
Anonymous said...
Guides? Be some angry coppers there after they try to find parking (4-6 rush hour on Archer) then pack into a bar that's crowded with the regular patrons who will be priming themselves for the Bears on MNF in a few hours.
Bad choice for a meeting place FOP
9/18/2014 09:31:00 AM
Actually, it was very well planned out.
This will keep the detractors to a minimum & keep the crowd small. They don't want to hear from those who think this is a hose-job.
Heh...
If the traitors at F(L)OP are crying, sweating and running in their sleep like the traitorous dogs they are, then it can be reasonably inferred (HAH! A bit of slippery syntax, "lawyerese" and Rahm inspired weasel speak) that they KNEW from day one that this contract proposal was an enormous, mushroom encrusted turd... (No city hall crafted weasel speak there. Plain, easily understood, definitive in intent 20th Century English. Thank You...)
A question for the usual irate stalwarts, passers-by, nice regular people and the turn-coats hiding in the crowd of joyful haters who twitch and spasm at anything that skews toward possible improvement of The Patrolman's lot and by logical extension, this city's lot:
Does anyone think that when Rahm Emanuel resorts to the same slippery syntax, lawyerese and propeller-headed weasel words when he happily doles out contracts for the easy access to YOUR tax dollars?
Funny... Your tax dollars are flying into the pockets of the muni-gov corporate suits, the shiny, happy people who make up the Gold Coast/ North Shore $25K a plate dinner party set who have invested upwards of $10 Million to keep the strutting Banty Rooster in office.
Even the shit-birds you have the joy of rubbbing up against as a condition of your employment aren't intentionally vexed with such language as they're being given not just YOUR treasure, but standing and stature OVER YOU?
"Well... You Cops are the problem so..."
Yeah yeah...
"Go take your meds, Gramps!"
"Go polish your wheel gun old timer!"
"SCC please lock this guy out!"
"That Star says 'Police Offcer' now Grandpa so get over it!"
So many children, so little adult understanding, visual acuity and street sense...
Answer this then... Why does this contract proposal makes the hair on the back of so many necks, stand up?
You know... The Patrolman's sense of imminent danger and all that.
I'm calling JD Wentworth. I need cash NOW! Voting NO
Get off the wellness program already. Once every three months you have to click a couple things on a website and your done in less than ten minutes. If the union can parlay going into the program in exchange for something from the city then it should be done.
Guides? Be some angry coppers there after they try to find parking (4-6 rush hour on Archer) then pack into a bar that's crowded with the regular patrons who will be priming themselves for the Bears on MNF in a few hours.
Bad choice for a meeting place FOP
9/18/2014 09:31:00 AM
&&&&&&&. The above comment is prime example number one of the misery on this job and how some people will find absolutely anything to whine and complain about. I will still be there.. Even if it means walking an extra 100 ft from a farther parking spot.
Learn how arbitration works before you comment on it. Its pretty simple city offers something, union counters if both sides cant agree an arbitrator decides. The arbitrator does not deviate from either the city's request or the unions request he picks one or the other.
just had the hospital tier program explained to us and a few other things.........plain,simple, vote YES or take it in the ass by an arbitrator
I was at the meeting. Vote no that is the only way to keep what we have. you do not give up things to get a slap in the face 2.2% raise a year that is the facts.Things have improved in the city just look at hotel bookings and tourism money.We made Chicago look great during the summit and now it is time to ream the benefits Vote NO!
Wellness is better than two tier. We will not be forced into either by the Arbitrator.
Do the math on paying your monthly medical insurance and add the new 25% premium for services. That alone will cost anyone with a family or medical condition a far more substantial money loss than any crappy 2% for 2012.
This contract STEALS duty availability from the new guy and hands it to the membership in the name of a 2% retro for 2012.
Do you steal money from your younger child to give to your older son and call it proper. Then justify it as a good thing. WTF!
2 Tier= crappy healthcare at inflated prices
The last contract was 11% for 5 years in the worst economic climate ever as noted by Arbitrator Benn.
He said if the economy improves, the next one will be better.
It has and we will do better in Arbitration.
Vote No!
FOP failed and wants you to vote Yes to save their asses.
I would roll the dice with the Ebola virus before I willingly voted yes on this ticking time bomb of a contract.
Vote No!
Captains and Sgts make between 14K and 30K more than a patrolman. Who cares what they accepted!
Vote no. An Arbitrator will not rule on 2012 but he will not put us in ghetto healthcare either.
An arbitrator will realize the last contract was 11% in the worst economic climate of the century and adjust the total for 2012.
Don't sell out the new guys and the seniority system.
Vote No!
I was hired at 21. Many others are like me. When I am maxed out, I will only be 51. Why is there no provision for my healthcare? Many others were hire before they were 25. This contract gives up big things in return for new cars and shiny objects.
Vote no!
Ok, first I'll admit my two cents means nothing seeing that I'm a member of PBPA & maxed out in 1 year.
That being said, I think this contract proposal is weighted HEAVILY in the city's favor. From what I see, there are many more concessions on the Officers' side than those of the city's.
Wins?
Retro from the first year (minus OT)? Don't be so short sighted & cut off your nose to spite your face.
D-2 for helicopter guys? That's great, but it affects MAYBE a quarter of ONE percent of the active members! Big deal.
Buy new cars? This is still a head-scratcher. I know everyone wants nice cars but why this was even brought up and is now being touted as a win, is a joke.
More liberal on time due? Again, a very subjective opinion of what's "unreasonable".
Staying out of the wellness program? I was forced into this program and although very reluctant and pissed in the beginning, you click on a few bullshit articles four times a year and you're done. The fop lawyers are talking shit when they say to avoid this program at all costs & plying this up as a win. Anyone who feels this is such a burden, just reach out to a PBPA member & get the facts from someone who's in this program.
Losses? Duty availability. Seems like no loss to you, but you don't sell out future Officers because "they won't miss what they never had". A win for the city.
Tuition? I never used it (my fault) but a great benefit. Another loss.
Furlo by watch? Administratively, it makes complete sense but seniority-wise it's a loss. This again was something the city wanted...and they got it!
I'm not familiar with the changes in the hospitals and the percentage, but again a loss.
The raises aren't great, but it's still something.
And finally, as some other posters have said, if Rahm thinks it's a great deal, be very afraid. He's a rotten prick.
I just feel you're giving up a lot and really getting shit in return.
Sorry for the rant!
BE SAFE & BACK EACH OTHER UP!!
Let me get this straight. We would rather fuck ourselves than ask an Arbitrator to rule? Thats crazy.
The worst we have ever done in prior contracts was 11%.
Now for some dumb ass reason we think thats great?
Screw 2012. We will get more in 2013-2017 from the Arbitrator.
Anonymous said...
CFD got the Tier 1 /2 treatment too? can they chime in?
9/18/2014 09:49:00 AM
If they got it,we are going to get it. Bet your ass on that
pg 2) - we will be losing the duty availability for new hires for 42mos.(city
offered 54 mos.) / Fire Dept lost this in their contract.
9/18/2014 09:43:00 AM
Quit talking shit. CFD never had it. Years ago it was a way to give the CPD a raise to make up for other benefits the CFD received. It was used to avoid the me too clause because if the CPD received a raise, so would the CFD.
A cannibalistic contract...very sad.
Vote no..
this contract already passed just like the 10 hour day vote was a tie. I have not heard so many people in districts all over the city say they are voting no. that's when the union works their magic to make themselves look good. vote no!
The FOP is acting like the Democratic Party in trying to scare us into ratifying the contract. Don't believe the talking points of how bad an arbitrator will hurt us and don't sell out for the retro. This contract has many flaws. We should demand better. Vote no.
Anonymous said...
FYI. Information concerning health insurance benefits for those who retire age 55-59 or 60-65:
I had read on a previous post that retirees have a different insurance policy than when you are active. I just spoke to Maggie at the Pension Board, and she said that the retiree health insurance policy is the exact same policy as active members. She said that nothing changes in our coverage.
Since I am BCBS/PPO, I called BCBS too, and they verified that my plan is the exact same plan today as it was when I was still working.
9/18/2014 10:24:00 AM
That's another reason I put papers in 55 and out leaving next year if you have the age and stay you'll regret it! If the contract gets rejected rahm goes crazy and that could be the end of leaving at 55, I vote yes whenever ballot comes!
OT - which # is the detective's list one?
Once pension wording is introduced into a contract, it then becomes a negotiation tool for the future. Don't ever vote yes for a contract with pension "negotiations". It's a foot in the door for the city to fuck with it in every successive contract. Eventually there will be nothing left.
Benn's awards are fair for both sides. Increases are always awarded at (at least) cost of living, provided the union's offer is presented with reasonably close numbers. Status quo is his thing, so don't expect miracles from interest arb, but don't expect to get fucked either.
Why do the new guys need healthcare?
They don't need duty availability...just saying.
What else can we steal from Joe New Guy?
District Guy said...
No pension language should be in the contract. The pension "problem" will be "solved" in court. This item will be used by the city to damage if not destroy the pension. What did the city give for this?
Retro is a bribe and not even a full bribe. What did the city give for this?
Furlough by watch helps the city enormously.
It is a big chore for the District secretary to poll & pull people from 1st & 3rd watch to plug the holes on days during the 7 & 8 period furloughs and segments. Sometimes the "real" secretary is also on furlough and the whole thing is screwed up. The city would be very happy to have everyone stay put.
This destroys seniority. What did the city give for this?
The cars and time off issues have extremely weak language. Did FOP want this as something to build on in future contracts? I never saw FOP think that far ahead. What did the city give for this?
How can anybody in district law enforcement look at a new guy and explain how your money, retro is more important than his money, duty availability. What did the city give for this?
Two Tier Hospitals: No list available? How can you make an informed decision? What did the city give for this?
Why give back any tuition reimbursement. It's a small item for the city. They use to want us to go to school.
What did the city give for this?
11% raise. What did the city give for this?
What did the city give us?
FOP should be asking for a 4 years 2013 to 2017 contract? Fuck 2012.
Ask for 18%, ask for 4 hours Court Pay, ask that future raises be tied to inflation as a base rate, Ask that a Sgt and Det exam be given every 5 years and results posted in 60 days or less, No Pension Language, No 2 tier healthcare, ask that upon maxing benefits (29 and a day) healthcare benefits are provided regardless of age. Why max out if you can't leave with healthcare?
Chicanery alert!
Vote nooooooooooooooooo!
This contract is foul. It is wrong at so many levels.
FOP asked for nothing new. City offered their middle finger.
Dean lubed up the finger and is telling you to sit on it!
New cars...now I can work 99 in comfort. Who needs officer safety when riding in comfort!
The medical tier system is not great. ALL City employees going on it as of 01/01/15. FOP stalled our entry until 01/01/17. This is coming whether you want it or not. Basically you pay 10% for tier 1 and 25% for tier 2 hospitals. Keep in mind you will be paying a lower negotiated rate for services. The city negotiates set prices for procedures with each individual hospital. If you go to a tier 2 you will pay 25% but it is based on a lower negotiated price. Not the best but this is happening TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES. It's called the shared subscriber program. Also deductibles remain the same. Hope this helps somewhat. If you vote no we will be forced into this program anyway and be put in wellness. I am voting YES.
Arbitration will cost every Officer 4% compounded over your lifetime. You'll never get that back. The arbitrator can't rule on the first year by law because of the letter issue. FACT. Please consider this when making a decision. Thanks- P.O. with 14 yoj
"3. Reduce the reimbursement for a masters degree? Really?! The sergeants kept their tuition reimbursement without changes. Why open the door to reduction and ultimately further future reductions. For a long time we have heard tuition reimbursement will be eliminated. A good majority of officers have their bachelor degree. New hires are being employed with bachelor degrees. Why agree to reduce our benefit? "
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Thank you. This person gets it. A + for you.
Are we supposed to lose more than we gain when the economy is flying high. The S&P is at new levels. Screw 2012 and screw 11% for 5 years.
Ask for 4% or 5% for 2013 through 2017.
Don't put any pension language in the contract.
No brainer...vote no!
Do we get lube with our ballots?
Anonymous said...
I don't think the contract is perfect but one thing is for sure, we will lose the raise and retro for year one. So considering that, yes we gave up medical and tuition, but we got to wellness and retro. We might keep medical with arbitrator and tuition but worth trade off to keep the raise in long term.
9/18/2014 12:52:00 PM
It's simple....If you think some arbitrator will give us a better deal then vote NO. I know we will lose a lot in arbitration because of our history in arbitration. We will also lose a lot of $$$, get the same raise and a lot of time with that money in our pockets. CFD got %11 and so will we in the end. Nothing will change for the better. it will only be worse letting a pro-city arbitrator decide our fate. Voting YES and moving on.
If you vote no the contract goes to arbitration. There is no more discussion. Get informed.
FIRE department gave up their pension rights in their contract. Rahm would sure like us to do that too. Our contract should have no mention of pension in it.(PERIOD!!)
Anonymous said...
Captains and Sgts make between 14K and 30K more than a patrolman. Who cares what they accepted!
Vote no. An Arbitrator will not rule on 2012 but he will not put us in ghetto healthcare either.
An arbitrator will realize the last contract was 11% in the worst economic climate of the century and adjust the total for 2012.
Don't sell out the new guys and the seniority system.
Vote No!
9/18/2014 03:43:00 PM
An arbitrator will realize Rahm is Darth Vader and will wear a t-shirt with that picture taken on the El of Rahm. He will think the police are swell and award us the contract of the century!
Arbitrator will also toss in a bridge in Brooklyn so McLush feels at home.
Are you guys crazy? If so, vote no and see how it works out. I am voting yes.
The tier medical program is separate from the wellness program. As of 01/01/15 ALL CITY EMPLOYEES will be included in both programs except FOP. Get informed.
FOP failed and wants you to vote Yes to save their asses.
Outstanding!! The smoke and mirrors didnt work this time. NO NO NO NO!
.plain,simple, vote YES or take it in the ass by an arbitrator
Well I'd rather take it in the bumm from the arbitrator then swallow Rahms crap!
CFD has EMT pay which is the equivalent of duty availability. CFD doesn't get EMT pay for first 54 months they are employed. FOP was able to get 42 months from city down from 54 months. Not great but CFD gets same in their contract. FACT
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
CFD got the Tier 1 /2 treatment too? can they chime in?
9/18/2014 09:49:00 AM
If they got it,we are going to get it. Bet your ass on that
9/18/2014 03:49:00 PM
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If they get something, then it follows that we are getting it? You are special.
Screw RAHM and vote no. Let them go to arbitration and roll the dice. DO NOT forget to vote this 9.5 fingered prick out in February.
Let the FOP take this to arbitration. Make them earn their paycheck. The reduction in tuition reimbursement is a big deal if you go to a real school. If the sergeants kept their tuition reimbursement, then why are we caving in?
Most importantly, it does not necessarily have to go to arbitration. But the FOP guys have to earn their salary. If we agree to this proposal, then the FOP guys are not working hard at all.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC Please Look!
OT - One of John Garridos people came by for a signature for his upcoming campaign. I had accepted clip board and then guy said second sheet is for Rahm please sign both. I politely returned clip board with no signatures explaining if he is with Rahm I am not with him. Is this an accident? I hope so.... I checked his website and called but the # is for a legal services business with no answer.... WTF
9/18/2014 02:22:00 PM
Sounds like your clipboard-carrier (not candidate Garrido) is the one who's for Rahm.
Anyone can bring you a signature sheet for anyone. It doesn't mean each candidate supports the other ones.
"Putz, Your wrong. It favors the most senior on your watch.
It allows for each watch to schedule time due, personals, furlough extensions etc. without stealing officers from other watches to fill in. Put some time on this job, quick your whining, and get used to it.
9/18/2014 11:14:00 AM"
Sorry Putz, I put time on the job and had plenty of shitty
furlos. Apparently the whole concept of seniority is lost on you. The furlo by watch was a failure and was shitcanned. So pay your dues, quit YOUR whining & GFY.
Wow. Rahm has successfully succeeded in divide and conquer
To the guy complaining about the city holding deferred comp money before posting it to Nationwide....remember it's not your money it's the asset of the governmental entity, you have deferred accepting the money and it is placed into this account. I have said it before, check it out if you don't believe it, Deffered Comp remains a asset of the governmental entity, in this case the city. This remains so until you begin taking the money. This fact was discovered and admitted to by Natuonwide/deferred comp when there was talk that Harold Washington was eyeing the funds. Once again deferred comp money remains an asset of the city until you leave and withdraw the money.
The contract isn't fit for toilet paper! Furlough by watch is a joke, if the city staffed us people wouldn't have to fill in from other watches! New discipline verbiage is bull shit and allowing him to go in a contract & change the pension contribution is a NO all day from me!
Everyone that votes no will be complaining when u get fuked by arbitration. Check past arbitration rulings. You will never be satisfied and we will not get more then 11% bank on it.
FYI. Information concerning health insurance benefits for those who retire age 55-59 or 60-65:
I had read on a previous post that retirees have a different insurance policy than when you are active. I just spoke to Maggie at the Pension Board, and she said that the retiree health insurance policy is the exact same policy as active members. She said that nothing changes in our coverage.
Since I am BCBS/PPO, I called BCBS too, and they verified that my plan is the exact same plan today as it was when I was still working.
9/18/2014 10:24:00 AM
Only till 65. After that you have to pay for it and get less.
I'm voting "no" because everybody that's voting "yes" apparently doesn't know the difference between "lose" and "loose". So, I don't want to be associated with those morons!
Re: the preceding post. You will find that once you (the retiree) reaches Medicare age, your non-Medicare dependents will be placed in a different BC/BS group where the coverage is different. Many procedures previously covered will be denied as "routine." It's what Obama described as substandard coverage. Ironically, almost all of the procedures that would be considered routine are mandatory and free under the terms of Obamacare.
Well here's a thought... If they are going to promise several hundred new vehicles, then the 10 hour day will be a sinch! Reason being, the issue with 10 hr days was the vehicle shortage issue with watches overlapping, but if we get the vehicles (yeah, right) then 10 hr days is no longer an issue in the districts.. Watcha think about that, huh??
Anonymous said...
Yada Yada Yada.."The Lawyers said this and that and said this is a good contract"..The Lawyers are being paid by Dean Angelo. They will say whatever Dean wants them to say to the gullible FOP Members..They didn't go to Law School. They went to Liars School..VOTE NO!
9/18/2014 02:12:00 PM
These guys are the same guys that worked with Dougherty and Donahue. That Tuesdays meeting the lawyer and Dougherty having a love feast.
We deserve 16 percent or more. The teachers don't even teach. These schools are garbage and they get more than us??? I'm voting no because they are screwing us little by little and next contract they will screw us a little more. NO NO NO. I'll take my chances and live with it like i Did last Contract.
55th and Archer is the southside??? you might as well put it in Iowa.
Off Topic Heads up from your favorite Mouthbreater...
City amended and altered the Ordinance for the Pickup Trucks and Vans (that damn Truck Permit Sticker). Ord 9-64-170 A and B and C and D and E and F got serious Language changes.
Here is a sample:
9-64-170 (c) Citywide restriction – Parking near crosswalks, alleys, driveways or firelanes – Penalty for violation. It shall be unlawful to stand or park any vehicle six feet or greater in height within 20 feet of any crosswalk, alley, commercial driveway or firelane.
Check it out...
Where do we find the "tier" hospital lists?
Fuck the dumb shit...
If Rahm Emanuel burned as much political capital, TV air time, local news-whore gum bumpery, ginned up public outrage and many municipal lawyer & outside counsel billable hours trying to actually overturn that flaming dog turd of a 99 year parking lease (courtesy of the Stuttering Prick) as he is trying to destroy Policemen and their families...
>Pffffft!<
We already know the plausible answers to that one.
the 15% who do all the work on the street say, "VOTE NO!" as for the 85% who do nothing follow the trail blazers not the Dean's on the job!
I am voting no. I just want to watch the world burn.
I come with gifts. How you like these shiny magnificent trinkets? (i.e. beads,mirrors,alleged new cars and whiskey)
Can anyone Name one thing that past Arbitration has cost us?
VOTE NO!!!
http://politics.suntimes.com/article/chicago/council-passes-firefighters-contract-ambulance-upgrade/wed-07302014-1217pm#bmb=1
CFD contract looks allot like our
We won't do better
FOP should be asking for a 4 years 2013 to 2017 contract? Fuck 2012.
Ask for 18%, ask for 4 hours Court Pay, ask that future raises be tied to inflation as a base rate, Ask that a Sgt and Det exam be given every 5 years and results posted in 60 days or less, No Pension Language, No 2 tier healthcare, ask that upon maxing benefits (29 and a day) healthcare benefits are provided regardless of age. Why max out if you can't leave with healthcare?
9/18/2014 04:13:00 PM
What many DO NOT UNDERSTAND is there is no more asking if this does not pass. The city gives its final offer to the arbitrator, FOP submits its final proposal and the arbitrator decides on one or the other. The arbitrator does not split the difference and compromise.
Anonymous said...
I come with gifts. How you like these shiny magnificent trinkets? (i.e. beads,mirrors,alleged new cars and whiskey)
Can anyone Name one thing that past Arbitration has cost us?
VOTE NO!!!
9/18/2014 08:49:00 PM
The last arbitration has nothing to do with this contract. If it should go to arbitration this one will stand on it's own and it doesn't look good for any improvements but so many of you refuse to acknowledge that.
If this were gambling, how many would bet on the City and how many would bet on the arbitrator giving us a better contract? Really, think about that. Chances are slim of any improvement, it's a bad bet. Would you lay your own money on that bet with so much to lose and so little to gain?
Bad bet, I vote YES.
"Amend Section 20.1 to clarify that an officer’s normal work day and work week is no
longer 8 hours and 40 hours, respectively."
Anyone know what does this mean for us because this is in the contract? Are we going back to have longer shifts now or are we going back to the 6 on 2 off work weeks?
What I want to know is who at the FOP is going to count these ballots cause I don't trust anyone over there!!
Why would any company purposely go out of their way to screw their workforce? I just don't get it. Ive been thru this contract crap so many times, I'm voting no just because in all my years FlOP and the city have done nothing but screw us over. Happy in = happy out. I'm not happy.
Voting Yes!
We will not do any better at arbitration.
Shields is the one that screwed the rank and file.
Try to do better next time around.
And for the next election of officers, encourage every PO you know to vote.
Can anyone Name one thing that past Arbitration has cost us?
The most dismal raise in history
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Everyone that votes no will be complaining when u get fuked by arbitration. Check past arbitration rulings. You will never be satisfied and we will not get more then 11% bank on it.
9/18/2014 06:41:00 PM
We will end up with 9% because of the letter snafu.
We will end up in the wellness program.
We will contribute more to health insurance.
Look at what the Sgts. and FD got and that's what you will get. Less the 2% for the first year.
Where do we find the "tier" hospital lists?
9/18/2014 08:20:00 PM
I called, FOP says the city is updating the list and most likely wont be ready by the time we vote
55th and Archer is the southside??? you might as well put it in Iowa.
9/18/2014 08:15:00 PM
Take I-55 and get off on central ave. Go south to archer.
onymous said...
I am voting no. I just want to watch the world burn.
9/18/2014 08:49:00 PM
2 more years OBAMA, 6 more DICK DURBIN, It will burn whether you vote yes or no!
Let the FOP take this to arbitration. Make them earn their paycheck. The reduction in tuition reimbursement is a big deal if you go to a real school. If the sergeants kept their tuition reimbursement, then why are we caving in?Most importantly, it does not necessarily have to go to arbitration. But the FOP guys have to earn their salary. If we agree to this proposal, then the FOP guys are not working hard at all.9/18/2014 04:59:00 PM
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They should work on taking your vote away because you sound like a complete moron. Do everyone a favor and just go away you idiot.
I have over 27yrs. on this job and it pains me to say this but now I understand why everyone HATES US. We are public employees and we are not going to get any more than any other public employee PERIOD. But all I see is a bunch of Alleged Officers saying we deserve this, we deserve that, without going to any meetings to get any real facts….. Just listening to word of mouth by other people who have no facts. The contract field was already laid because we went last this time. The other unions CAVED in PERIOD…. Why would you think that if this went to arbitration that we would get more (9 ½ digits already has that factored in he along with every other politician already know we don’t vote all we do is bitch). Oh Yeah I forgot because you think we are the police and we deserve it. Arbitration is a give and take situation I have yet seen one post with anyone saying let’s give up anything (which we shouldn’t) but why would the arbitrator not take anything, think about it. Don’t cut off your nose look at what the other unions gave up and got and don’t think that you are better than they are. And what’s more important don’t post stuff to make us look as STUPID, GREEDY and UNINFORMED. GO TO MEETINGS ASK QUESTION AND GET THE REAL FACT, THEN VOTE!!!!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Where do we find the "tier" hospital lists?
9/18/2014 08:20:00 PM
I don't give a shit about tier 1 or 2. I have gone to Northwestern for years; I will continue to go to Northwestern.
The important thing is the max yearly out of pocket stays the same, that does not increase. Everyone makes this out to be such a huge fucking and it is not.
Hmmmm...
Take it in the ass from the city and wonder why?
Possibly take it in the ass from the arbitrator who will at least submit a "true bill" as to who offered what in this flaming ass pickle of a so called contract proposal.
F(L)OP is scared to death of arbitration because they will be outed to the membership.
Rahm doesn't want to even hear about arbitration because he wants to be seen as being tough and forcing those wild-assed Coppers to accept a bad contract riddled with slippery weasel words and ambiguous, non-specific phraseology.
You're in great danger, Policemen.
Your bargaining unit wants you to disregard
your self preservation instinct and your naturally
combative spirit.
Devil close enough to hug ya, bite his fucking nose off...
Anonymous said...
I am voting no. I just want to watch the world burn.
9/18/2014 08:49:00 PM
I believe you.
Anonymous said...
the 15% who do all the work on the street say, "VOTE NO!" as for the 85% who do nothing follow the trail blazers not the Dean's on the job!
9/18/2014 08:45:00 PM
Did you take a poll or did you get this info from the usual place, out of your ass?
Anonymous said...
SCC Please Look!
OT - One of John Garridos people came by for a signature for his upcoming campaign. I had accepted clip board and then guy said second sheet is for Rahm please sign both. I politely returned clip board with no signatures explaining if he is with Rahm I am not with him. Is this an accident? I hope so.... I checked his website and called but the # is for a legal services business with no answer.... WTF
9/18/2014 02:22:00 PM
Sounds like your clipboard-carrier (not candidate Garrido) is the one who's for Rahm.
Anyone can bring you a signature sheet for anyone. It doesn't mean each candidate supports the other ones.
9/18/2014 05:02:00 PM
Obviously the guy is a paid petition gatherer. He gets paid by the number of signatures he gets on nominating petitions. He might or might not support either candidate, probably doesn't care, he just gets signatures.
Anonymous said...
FOP should be asking for a 4 years 2013 to 2017 contract? Fuck 2012.
Ask for 18%, ask for 4 hours Court Pay, ask that future raises be tied to inflation as a base rate, Ask that a Sgt and Det exam be given every 5 years and results posted in 60 days or less, No Pension Language, No 2 tier healthcare, ask that upon maxing benefits (29 and a day) healthcare benefits are provided regardless of age. Why max out if you can't leave with healthcare?
9/18/2014 04:13:00 PM
Why fuck 2012? That 2% will effect plenty of PO's, like those who retired in 2013 and those who will retire in the next few years. Take that 2012 2% away and it affects pensions of a lot of people. Me for instance, retro too.
I want the raise from 2012, it goes directly on my pension. That 2% will effect the pension of hundreds. You would have my pension be a few bucks short so you can take a chance to get a few bucks more on your paycheck? Which won't happen.
30%of sergeant , lieutenant captains are merit , they receive $7,000 to $15,000 more in quarterly overtime pay
.75 comp time a day , 1 1/2 overtime when they do work overtime . Do they swipe in and out ? Do they split shifts? Exactly what does an XO do , political merit promotion . Sergeant run the watch now and they always did .
Why didn't flop ask for mor bids for watches , it has been 80%. Forever , why not 90% .
Vote No unless you have a management day spot , in a unit that works 4-6 hours a day .
Vote no .
Anonymous said...
The contract isn't fit for toilet paper! Furlough by watch is a joke, if the city staffed us people wouldn't have to fill in from other watches! New discipline verbiage is bull shit and allowing him to go in a contract & change the pension contribution is a NO all day from me!
9/18/2014 05:17:00 PM
Where do you get these ideas?
"allowing him to go in a contract & change the pension contribution"
Who is "him" and where does the contract say that? It doesn't. What it says and means is that if the Illinois Legislature were to somehow vote to authorize an increase in our pension contribution, we FOP members could seek to reopen the WAGES ONLY portion of the contract to try and get a raise commensurate with any increase in pension contributions.
Example, a contribution increase of 2% is voted upon and passed. We then via the FOP go to the City and open negotiations to get that extra 2% added to our wage schedule so that there would be no net loss. No guarantee, of course, but it is there to protect US from an increase in contribution to our pension fund.
It is a good thing, not a bad thing.
(an increase which would only happen by agreement between City and membership)
Love watching all these 2nd watch P.o. Squirm all they "really" care about is to not have furlough by watch. Very sad and pathetic. I would have thought more from them but I guess not
Anonymous said...
.plain,simple, vote YES or take it in the ass by an arbitrator
Well I'd rather take it in the bumm from the arbitrator then swallow Rahms crap!
9/18/2014 04:41:00 PM
You will get that chance, have some lube ready.
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