We Got Nothing
- A veteran Chicago cop has been fired, after a run-in with a cab driver five years ago.
Karl Clermont recalls the booze-fueled encounter he had with an off-duty Chicago police detective in April 2009. He drove the man he says was obviously drunk to Armitage and Damen.
The passenger left the cab and refused to pay the eight dollar fare.
“So he goes like he’s going in his pocket and I think now he’s going to pay me,” Clermont says. “He pulls out a weapon and draws it at me directly and says to me, ‘You choose. Either I don’t owe you (expletive) or you get out of the car and see what happens.”
- Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said Friday Grand Crossing residents want him to reinstate their indicted former district Cmdr. Glenn Evans and he would consider it if Evans is exonerated.
One day after Evans was formally indicted on aggravated battery and official misconduct charges, McCarthy talked about the impressive show of support that one of his most trusted commanders received at Thursday night’s Police Board hearing.
“There was 20 or 30 people who came. They presented a petition in support of Commander Evans while at the same time saying, 'Look, we’re not even addressing the allegation. We’re just talking to you about the character' “ of the man, the superintendent said during a taping of, “Connected to Chicago,” to be broadcast at 2 p.m. Saturday on WLS-AM Radio (890).
“That was really telling because it’s the same group of people that, when I moved him from the 3rd District to the 11th District, came out to the Police Board meeting and protested….I complimented them. It’s easy for people to come and complain. When people come in support of somebody, it’s really telling. Commander Evans does have widespread support in the community because he’s one of the hardest-working people we have.”
You have to go in five paragraphs to find this:
- McCarthy stressed that, if true, the charges against Evans are “obviously reprehensible and intolerable in a police agency.” But he also condemned the rush to judgment by the news media.
“Everybody has Glenn Evans as guilty right now,” McCarthy said.
Nobody "has [him] guilty" Garry. The outrage in the media is that he was left in place while under investigation, a privilege granted to only the favored few. But these expressions of support and outright praise are kind of creepy for a guy under indictment for behavior out of a crime fiction novel. The message we're hearing is, "The ends justify the means." That's a dangerous message...and a slippery slope.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
56 Comments:
Sorry Det. JK, but if you did what they say you did, then you deserve to be fired and everyone knows it.
blue shirt.(Drunk and stupid off duty) The Chicago Police Board voted to fire Killackey.
Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy looked on.
“He shouldn’t be a cop. He’s not fit,” Clermont said.
White shirt...sober, on duty....most likely will keep his job.
Ok....got it.
Apples and oranges sir
Police have a duty to be above reproach. They must meet a higher standard of ethics, integrity and honesty. When a policeman fails to meet that high standard in any way, he must be made an example of, severely disciplined and if necessary fired. Our police are modern Jedi Knights.
McJagoff tried and convicted the officer involved in multiple shootings in 007 a couple years ago, even before the feds were through with there investigation. Fortunately they did not proceed with the case. McAsshole has never even come close to saying anything as positive as he did for Evans when it involves a lowly PO. ROT in he'll you miserable piece of garbage.
I'm all for giving the benefit of the doubt to PO'S but the drunken idiotic acts have to go.
Sounds like the fix is in for Glen. Bench trial? You bet.
Dig a bit deeper media the majority of the people who came with that petition are friends and tenants of the commander not people from the community. The people from the community hate the police and that includes Evans this is all damage control. These same people should start writing the letters begging the judge that's going to sentence Evans for mercy. This is smoke and mirror dog and pony show that Evans attornies came up with. and whats up with the pos that testified against the DC? Im hearing one has been asked for resume?! Is a dick or sgt promo in line for amnesia ? So this is all legit huh!
"But these expressions of support and outright praise are kind of creepy for a guy under indictment for behavior out of a crime fiction novel. The message we're hearing is, "The ends justify the means." That's a dangerous message...and a slippery slope."
Well Said.
Smart move by McCarty. If Evans is found guilty. He can say that's the kind of Commander the people wanted and I give him to them. And if he's found innocent. McCarty becomes a hero of the rank and file for not throwing Evans under the bus. It is a no lose for McCarthy.
Love or hate him, Supt. McCarthy is the "real police". I think he understands b.s., and when he has the ability to help an officer he tries. The "working police" is a term that knows no boundaries in terms of national geography. P.S. - I have never met the man, and I am a patrol officer in my district on bid.
He has been judged guilty based on rumors and innuendos and half assed lab work.
Wbez at the behest of, and with the support of the Peoples Law Office and Ervin went after Evans with illegally obtained documents and tainted evidence.
The People Law Office is the police suing law firm that went after Burge and protected the Nato and FALN terrorists. Flint Taylor and his crew want to use the CR list and Evans as a money spigot now that the Burge money is running dry .
The public and in some cases the police bought into the CSI dna argument. The dna itself proves nothing. No medical evidence backed Williams story.
But everyone bought into the story about the
poor little gang banging parolee being abused for no reason. Bad call.
There is a huge amount of misinformation and violations of Evans rights. There is info out there that exonerates him. There is every indication that Ervin , the Peoples Law Office and others had Alvarez railroad him for retaliation and political reasons. Alvarez is doing her best to drag this case past the election so no one sees how bad it is. What Evans and his attorneys know is devastating to Williams and IPRA.
IPRA has so many problems with the investigation that they ran into court to suppress a motion to produce the investigative file.
What is IPRA hiding ? Why aren't they being investigated?
Putting him back to work protects CPD from any lawsuits from Evans . McCarty and others has a lot of background info on the case that backs Evans as well as a lot of community support so they are playing it safe.
Of course the detractors are going to have problems with this info. Just wait to see what happens in the very near future. I don't want to say I told you so but. ..
Big changes friday
SCC called that right (as usual)...anyone else, except Evans, would have been at 311.
Why wasn't Evans at 311??? -Is it because he doesn't know how to answer the phone and talk to people? ...or because he is "The Chosen One"?
Anonymous said...
Love or hate him, Supt. McCarthy is the "real police". I think he understands b.s., and when he has the ability to help an officer he tries. The "working police" is a term that knows no boundaries in terms of national geography. P.S. - I have never met the man, and I am a patrol officer in my district on bid.
9/20/2014 04:53:00 AM
Yeah ok buddy. That's why he increased my suspension by 5 days for a minor transgression. Get off his jock. It's pathetic.
McCarthy is in way over his head.
Killackey's and Evan's are both products of the Democratic machine.
Love or hate him, Supt. McCarthy is the "real police". I think he understands b.s., and when he has the ability to help an officer he tries. The "working police" is a term that knows no boundaries in terms of national geography. P.S. - I have never met the man, and I am a patrol officer in my district on bid.
9/20/2014 04:53:00 AM
Cite some examples... Not being a dick I'm just not aware
McJagoff tried and convicted the officer involved in multiple shootings in 007 a couple years ago, even before the feds were through with there investigation. Fortunately they did not proceed with the case. McAsshole has never even come close to saying anything as positive as he did for Evans when it involves a lowly PO. ROT in he'll you miserable piece of garbage.
Actually, McCarthy was right on the money about that officer in 007. All those shootings? He should have at least been removed from active street duty. It wasn't wise to have kept him out there.
He has been judged guilty based on rumors and innuendos and half assed lab work.
Wbez at the behest of, and with the support of the Peoples Law Office and Ervin went after Evans with illegally obtained documents and tainted evidence.
The People Law Office is the police suing law firm that went after Burge and protected the Nato and FALN terrorists. Flint Taylor and his crew want to use the CR list and Evans as a money spigot now that the Burge money is running dry .
The public and is some cases the police bought into the CSI dna argument. The dna itself proves nothing. No medical evidence backed Williams story.
And everyone bought into the story about the
poor little gang banging parolee being abused for no reason.
There is a huge amount of misinformation and violations of Evans rights. There is info out there that exonerates him. There is every indication that Ervin , the Peoples Law Office and others had Alvarez railroad him for retaliation and political reasons. Alvarez is doing her best to drag this case past the election so no one sees how bad it is. What Evans and his attorneys know is devastating to Williams and IPRA.
IPRA has so many problems with the investigation that they ran into court to suppress a motion to produce the investigative file.
What is IPRA hiding ? Why aren't they being investigated?
Putting him back to work protects CPD from any lawsuits from Evans . McCarty and others has a lot of background info on the case that backs Evans as well as a lot of community support so they are playing it safe.
Of course the detractors are going to have problems with this info. Just wait to see what happens in the very near future. I don't want to say I told you so but. ..
White shirt, Blue shirt. I don't give a fuck. I still stand solidly behind Evans.
Love or hate him, Supt. McCarthy is the "real police". I think he understands b.s., and when he has the ability to help an officer he tries. The "working police" is a term that knows no boundaries in terms of national geography. P.S. - I have never met the man, and I am a patrol officer in my district on bid.
9/20/2014 04:53:00 AM
You need a random drug test. McCarthy will NEVER be the "real police." At least not by CPD standards! He is a backstabbing, conceited, hide behind the subordinates kind of guy and yes- he is one of 2 people in this world that I officially would like to see paraded to the Federal Building.
In a real police dept he would have already been demoted to civil service rank. And no police boss would ever be caught supporting such atrocious behavior - true or not. I just always imagine what the response would be if the "offender" was a PO, Sgt or LT. I bet not the same as for Glenn the Golden Boy.
Love or hate him, Supt. McCarthy is the "real police".
Hey my man. You're delusional and fucking nuts.
"Supt. McCarthy is the "real police"."
Ah, kid... You're an idiot. McCarthy wouldn't know the real police if one jumped up and took his beer off the bar. Since day one of his police career he's been a political animal seeking to rise on the backs of the "real police". I suppose that you think he's just tits for handing out water bottles at NATO, doncha?
If you have an alcohol problem there is help available. Go get it and your life will improve.
Jack you need help. Please get it.
Don't know whether Evans is guilty or not but thought the entourage leading him out of 26th Street was pretty impressive. One thing that got me though is it looked like an unmarked car with an "M" plate waiting to pick him up. Wonder how many of us would get chauffeur service to a court appearance?
Think G Mac would think that was okay?
"Love or hate him, Supt. McCarthy is the "real police". I think he understands b.s., and when he has the ability to help an officer he tries."
You sir are a putz! McCarpetbagger the real police? Ok sure if that entails drunk'nly shooting out street lights, drink'nly fighting with coppers over muscles at retirement parties, and attempting to intimidate on duty coppers who just issued a ticket to your daughter with the do you know who I am line....ok I guess your right that record makes him the "real police" McLushstreet hadn't helped anyone but himself and his cronies.
And has "I'm on bid" become the new "I work in the (insert tough guy district) badge of honor? I have seen this once great dept crash and burn and it's sad. As an old timer told me back in the 80s "kid I got more time in the station's can than you got time on the job...now run along pup" Don't ever forget McFlagersdancepartner was put in place to break the dept down, plain and simple. He and his don't care about anything but themselfs. Be carful and watch your backs and retirement is grand if you make it without an ulcer.
If you got clout you can do anything you want even kill an innocent person like Vanecko killed that innocent kid!
Isnt that what Keith Herrera claimed on national TV? His bosses awarded them for their crimes?
The term "real police" is overused, especially in the case of Superintendent McCarthy. He is a politician, probably always was. He is a guy that had the inside track and used it to promote himself, instead of doing what was good for the Departments he worked for and the citizens that paid his salary. He is Rahm's puppet and the mouth piece of the anti-gun progressives.
The detective ( former that is) should have been charged with armed robbery. He got a break, but he is from a long line of cops and has connections. I was wondering why this took five years to end?
Ok....got it.
9/20/2014 12:24:00 AM
No, I don't think that you really get it. Big difference between a drunken off duty robbery and being accused of misconduct while on duty.
At least the inebriiated PO didnt stick his weapon in the cabbies mouth...Seems more like an agg assault than waving a pistol around...Just sayn.
I think if one goes, the other goes...
He deserved to be fired,what a goof hes lucky he did not accidentally kill that innocent cab driver! No loss to CPD!
Where are the so called reverend Jackson and Sharpton at on this heater of a case. Those antagonistic men of God. Jesus Christ did not take sides. They would be the first to be protesting for public execution if it was a white commander.
Now if it was a blue shirt that p.o. would have been launched a long long time ago. Those aggressive police actions are no longer. I understand trying to fight evil but times have change. It isn't worth loosing everything. Your not going to cure cancer. Just go out there and do your best without getting in trouble or injured. Sorry Cmndr. E. never met the man but from what I understand is that he's a "worker"
Nothing good comes from drinking .....
Anonymous said...
Police have a duty to be above reproach. They must meet a higher standard of ethics, integrity and honesty. When a policeman fails to meet that high standard in any way, he must be made an example of, severely disciplined and if necessary fired. Our police are modern Jedi Knights.
9/20/2014 12:31:00 AM
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That was very well said. That is why we incorporate ethics into all the classes at the academy. We also teach Procedural Justice. We do not need shit birds on this job.
From an outsider looking in, -not a cop,- I would think stuffing a gun down someone's throat is worse than just showing/or, if done,/pulling one.
If Evans is found to have committed the actions that he is accused of than he should be fired, plain and simple. The operative word being "if".
Anonymous said...
In a real police dept he would have already been demoted to civil service rank. And no police boss would ever be caught supporting such atrocious behavior - true or not. I just always imagine what the response would be if the "offender" was a PO, Sgt or LT. I bet not the same as for Glenn the Golden Boy.
9/20/2014 08:37:00 AM
Can somebody translate for me? No police boss would ever be caught supporting such atrocious behavior..true or not?!?! What is he trying to say? Gmac has said several times IF this is true it is blah, blah, blah (really bad). Are you confusing supporting the allegation with supporting the officer. The more I try to get what you're saying, the more I get lost.
Anonymous said...
SCC called that right (as usual)...anyone else, except Evans, would have been at 311.
Why wasn't Evans at 311??? -Is it because he doesn't know how to answer the phone and talk to people? ...or because he is "The Chosen One"?
9/20/2014 05:55:00 AM
Probably a little of both.
Anonymous said...
McJagoff tried and convicted the officer involved in multiple shootings in 007 a couple years ago, even before the feds were through with there investigation. Fortunately they did not proceed with the case. McAsshole has never even come close to saying anything as positive as he did for Evans when it involves a lowly PO. ROT in he'll you miserable piece of garbage.
Actually, McCarthy was right on the money about that officer in 007. All those shootings? He should have at least been removed from active street duty. It wasn't wise to have kept him out there.
9/20/2014 07:59:00 AM
Irregardless of right or wrong, while an investigation is taking place he should keep his fucking mouth shut.
Anonymous said...
White shirt, Blue shirt. I don't give a fuck. I still stand solidly behind Evans.
9/20/2014 08:11:00 AM
Instead of standing behind him, you should have cleaned his goddamned gun.
I recall once, years ago, a PO was drunk and started taking shots at a guy on his porch. Guy called 911 etc. By time IAD got involved the gunsmith of the district had taken the weapon and switched barrels. Unfounded.
Shithead knows enough to piss on his hands. Fucking boss can't get the thing dunked in Hoppes No 9?
The detective ( former that is) should have been charged with armed robbery. He got a break, but he is from a long line of cops and has connections. I was wondering why this took five years to end?
9/20/2014 11:02:00 AM
Guess I connected too many dots last night in my comment that didn't make it on the blog. Det k was best buds with a disgraced former officer who did fed time for using an FBI computer to check out a guy before selling him a gun. Still did though, even after learning he was a drug dealer. Maybe they can now sell insurance together.
“So he goes like he’s going in his pocket and I think now he’s going to pay me...”
Back to Chicago Cab Driver Academy.
Huh?
.......and in other news from the NFL ..............
Coppers don't seem to understand how great of a person someone is has no bearing on whether or not he committed a crime he should be held accountable for.
Only hope for Evans is that someone pays off the alleged victim and the state drops the case due to lack of cooperation.
Pay the 8 dollars you idiot
McJagoff tried and convicted the officer involved in multiple shootings in 007 a couple years ago, even before the feds were through with there investigation. Fortunately they did not proceed with the case. McAsshole has never even come close to saying anything as positive as he did for Evans when it involves a lowly PO. ROT in he'll you miserable piece of garbage.
Actually, McCarthy was right on the money about that officer in 007. All those shootings? He should have at least been removed from active street duty. It wasn't wise to have kept him out there.
Actually McCarthy did step in and help the lowly po. IPRA was going to fire two po's from 015 and McCarthy intervened and they received no punishment. One of FOP's officers wrote a thank you to the supt in the FOP newsletter. This was about a year ago.
Love or hate him, Supt. McCarthy is the "real police". I think he understands b.s., and when he has the ability to help an officer he tries. The "working police" is a term that knows no boundaries in terms of national geography. P.S. - I have never met the man, and I am a patrol officer in my district on bid.
Have to agree with you, he does try to help po's. I know of two incidents that he recommended and lowered suspensions, but was overruled by the police board. He also was instrumental in allowing po's that were activated and sent to Iraq, injured over there to not be included in the 12 month limit for non duty related light duty.
If you'd like to read more about our wonderful Superintendent Garry McCarthy I suggest the following google link to a reporter that covers the NYPD.
If you'd like to narrow it down for the street light story here's something you can copy and paste.
http://nypdconfidential.com/columns/2005/050225.html
If you'd like to narrow down the first link just add Palisades to the search if you'd like to read about his "encounter" with the New Jersey cops.
he detective ( former that is) should have been charged with armed robbery. He got a break, but he is from a long line of cops and has connections. I was wondering why this took five years to end?
9/20/2014 11:02:00 AM
Guess I connected too many dots last night in my comment that didn't make it on the blog. Det k was best buds with a disgraced former officer who did fed time for using an FBI computer to check out a guy before selling him a gun. Still did though, even after learning he was a drug dealer. Maybe they can now sell insurance together.
9/21/2014 02:43:00 AM
Not sure what that has to do with the Det. The Det. was a cocky ass and thought he was untouchable because daddy was a boss. Anyone who ever met him knew he couldn't handle his booze. It dragged on for 5 years because of his juice. As far as the other officer you mentioned, it obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. If you are going to badmouth someone at least know the facts. I'm sure the case is available on line so feel free to educate yourself. BTW, I have known this officer my entire life and he has never been to jail. Further if you where to read the court transcripts you would see that the judge ripped the federal government and went as far as to say it was nothing more than a witch hunt. The judge was forced to issue a sentence as the officer plead guilty. If you know anything about the federal government you either plea or they continue to run up court costs until you don't have any money left.
Anonymous said...
Love or hate him, Supt. McCarthy is the "real police". I think he understands b.s., and when he has the ability to help an officer he tries. The "working police" is a term that knows no boundaries in terms of national geography. P.S. - I have never met the man, and I am a patrol officer in my district on bid.
9/20/2014 04:53:00 AM
You might want to talk to some NYC coppers about him.
You may change your opinion.
Well, except that LA and New York are both safer than Houston or Dallas, by murder rate scaled to population, which is the only way it makes sense. If you just count murders and don't scale it to population, Gary, IN is safer than any of them.
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