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- Homicides continue to drop in Chicago, to the lowest levels since the 1960s, but shootings remain stubbornly higher, with the numbers of incidents and victims both on the rise at the nine-month mark of 2014, according to statistics released Wednesday by Chicago police.
For the first nine months, 1,927 people were shot, a 6 percent increase that translates into 114 more victims than the year-earlier period, the statistics show.
But homicides fell 7 percent to 298, 22 fewer killings than a year earlier and the lowest numbers since 1965, according to the department. It also marks the eighth consecutive quarter in which homicides have dropped.
If homicides are up for the month (which they were), bring out the quarterly numbers. If the quarterly totals are shady, trumpet the annual decrease. DO NOT mention the advances in medical technology or near universal presence of cell phones that permit the immediate summoning of medical assistance. And downplay the "more lead, less dead" mantra that seems to be taking hold - shootings incidents and shooting victims are up, despite extra State Troopers, Feebs, ATF, sheriffs and 200 CPD a night working at OT rates.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
87 Comments:
A surgeon at stronger E.R. said
Fatalities from shootings were averaging 1 out of every 6.
BUT one "Dirty Toni" preckwinkle said it costs the county about 57,000 per shooting victim
seeing how it's picked up by obamascare
It's also been said chiraqastan has its GDP as shootings
stronger should be turning a profit
and a boom to those in the hospital supply business if that is the case
CPD must be doing a good job, what with the stats being down and all. We rock.
OT:
Thanks Dean, you lost tuition reimbursement for CPD and Rahm gained it for CPS graduates.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/544/article/p2p-81557538/
Whelp if Chicago's murder rate is 16 homicides per every 100,000 residents and 150,000 residents leave the city then homicides should be down by 24 people.
What makes anyone think that Rahm and/or Garry's initiatives have any thing to do with it.
And the City is merrily paying $350,000 on Saturday for someone's hair-brained idea to enact the Great Chicago Fire in the River at State and Columbus. Amongst other things, they will burn 968 pounds of Spanish Ceder cladding. A complete waste of time and money...money that could go into hiring a few more brain surgeons to extract the villains from this City.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/video/10638102-family-wants-answers-in-near-fatal-shooting-with-cops-gun/
Kudos to the doctors, nurses, paramedics and everyone else that are saving lives.
Violence is up! A shooting is just a failed murder. It's pure luck and modern medicine keeping murders lower. How can the sheep not see this and call him on it?
Speaking of: SPIN SPIN SPIN
Spin this...What's the REAL reason Barry the Messiah flew into, of all places Gary, Indiana to do some politicking here.
Could it be that Rahm and McHatchetman have screwed up the Chicago Police Department so much that it was safer to go to Gary, the Mogadishu of the Midwest than our thriving metropolis?
Fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Just remember Sheeple, each gun shot victim costs Illinois taxpayers an average of $500k in medical and rehab bills, because you know they aren't picking up their tab. That means that those extra 114 victims added another 57 MILLION dollars to this broke ass state's debt in just nine months. Trust me, we would be better off paying to send every shithead to the range and teaching them to hit center mass. Less innocent victims, less taxpayer payouts and less dregs of society. Win, win all around!
Spin this...What's the REAL reason Barry the Messiah flew into, of all places Gary, Indiana to do some politicking here.
Could it be that Rahm and McHatchetman have screwed up the Chicago Police Department so much that it was safer to go to Gary, the Mogadishu of the Midwest than our thriving metropolis?
Um...some asshole burned out the FAA TRACON center in Aurora, screwing up air traffic for hundreds of miles, and rather than fly Air Force One in under those circumstances and disrupt a system already limping along, they went to where there is proper radar coverage?
Duh?
Another cockin bull story!!
Thanks Dean, you lost tuition reimbursement for CPD and Rahm gained it for CPS graduates.
I'm still leaning towards a "no" vote on contract for several reasons, but quit it already with the
b.s. misinformation... Only masters program was affected. Tuition reimbursement was not lost.
What was the population of Chicago at the peak of homicides? Chicago had a significant population loss. Of course, the murders should be less, because there are less people in Chicago to do the killing or be killed. They wont mention that either. Too many questions to answer because it will make people ask as to why people left and why murders aren't reduced further.
Speaking of spin: The white house unveiled its new border fence in the background of a local open border policy.
With shootings up and homicides down, should one assume that the shooters are not receiving adequate firearms training?
We are so great that contract the city offered was a joke.
In 1960 Chicago had 3.5 million people. Today its 2.7 million. So obviously there are less murders overall.
Nice try with the spin Rahm and Garry !!!
Just like the tidy bowl man circling the toilet drain..Chicago is in the same sorry state! The city hasn't made a pension payment in a decade..now Rahm wants to give tuition waivers to all CPS graduates who attend city colleges of Chicago if they maintain a B average. UNREAL!
But shootings are up. Why not give credit to the medical staff and CFD for saving many of these lives.
We could just as easily say "marksmanship is down" in the ghetto. Too much holding the piece sideways, gangsta style.
Spin this...What's the REAL reason Barry the Messiah flew into, of all places Gary, Indiana to do some politicking here.
Could it be that Rahm and McHatchetman have screwed up the Chicago Police Department so much that it was safer to go to Gary, the Mogadishu of the Midwest than our thriving metropolis?
Um...some asshole burned out the FAA TRACON center in Aurora, screwing up air traffic for hundreds of miles, and rather than fly Air Force One in under those circumstances and disrupt a system already limping along, they went to where there is proper radar coverage?
Duh?
Except - ZAU covers Gary also.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/air_traffic_services/artcc/chicago/information/media/ZAU-Area.jpg
CPD must be doing a good job, what with the stats being down and all. We rock.
the big thankyou is reflected in our stellar contract...
To 10/02/2014 03:52:00 AM -
You're a dick, aren't you? Bet your family is real proud of the moron you've become.
I am proud to live in Chicago, I am proud of my CPD, and I am proud of the leadership shown by my Police Sup. and City Mayor. There is still sunshine in Chicago, all is not gloom.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pierson-failed-to-provide-fresh-start-for-secret-service-that-administration-wanted/2014/10/01/51a642a2-49a8-11e4-891d-713f052086a0_story.html
Secret Sevice morale in decline?
As a paramedic who came on the cfd in the 70's,I remember the police media affairs touting the drop in deaths from heroin overdoses,implying that law enforcement helped reduce this by the war against drugs.In reality,the paramedic program started in the early 70's.A drug called narcan administered by us in the field caused a dramatic drop in deaths from heroin overdoses.The paramedics and E.R.stafff at trauma centers have a real impact on survival rates of the drug users,knife and gunshot victims etc.I guess the p.r. Machine is getting ready for the next election.Same old B.S.
September Finals vs 2013:
Homicides up 9.5% (46 vs 42)
Total persons shot up 34% (247 vs 184)
In other words, More Lead, More Dead.
Illustrating Chicago Crime, Murder and Mayhem at heyjackass.com
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
am fine where I am. If you do not like where you are then you need to get a resume, a masters degree, and some aptitude. It is not about clout, it is about how qualified you are to do the job.
You must have 6 months on the job.
9/30/2014 09:20:00 PM
Qualified??? You aren't qualified to blow me you moron.
10/01/2014 07:13:00 PM
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Related to spinning, do not take the bait. It is the same person who is posting about the academy just to get a reaction. No one from the academy is posting on here. We are too busy doing work. We are understaffed. Someone is just trying to get a reaction out of you guys. It is not anyone from the academy; we are too busy teaching.
Bobby Taylor and Cabrini Green being gone done factor into the lower murder rate?
McCarthy is delusional. He is also the guy making up the numbers. He can make the numbers anyway he wants. Remember, he is Chicago's highest paid employee. Even making more then the mayor. You think he wants to lose that?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Most of us on this job have no special training or Qualifications that would get us a job paying even half of what we make here in private industry. Believe me I'm not saying just roll over but be honest and take a real look at what workers in the private world are getting and putting up with. If you had to get a new job tomorrow what would you do? Be a security Guard, drive a truck, work in a warehouse? Believe me I've known a lot a coppers that had to leave and thats what they are doing. The pension yes never give up fight for that cause you pay into it and that will be your life income. But all other things use common sense.
9/27/2014 08:30:00 AM
You'd be surprised how much talent there is on the CPD.
Unfortunately, those people rarely get a chance to use it.
Clout and merit picks take precedence every time.
Nothing new, just the way it is.
9/27/2014 10:37:00 PM
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I do not work at the academy. There are many people at the academy who have Masters degrees. They could easily be professors at law schools. There are people on this job with talents and skills.
It's amazing that those handlers don't get dizzy and fall over with all the spinning they do.
CPD must be doing a good job, what with the stats being down and all. We rock.
10/02/2014 12:22:00 AM
Yes, and your new contract shows how much they appreciate you!
Like a baby treats a diaper.
O.T. Joravsky strikes again!
http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2014/10/01/the-michael-reese-fleece
O.T. REGISTER TO VOTE.
You can register to vote online.
Deadline is 7 Oct.
This could not be easier.
http://www.elections.il.gov/votinginformation/register.aspx
If you're not registered to vote, and then actually vote, you have no right to bitch about our government.
We could be so strong if we stuck together and voted. They would fear us, they would kiss our ass.
(SCC please make this a new topic.)
Over 600 people died on Illinois highways so far this year.
Outlaw cars!
Anon said:
Anonymous said...
OT:
Thanks Dean, you lost tuition reimbursement for CPD and Rahm gained it for CPS graduates.
I guess that speaks an awful lot about how our mayor thinks about CPS. We already can feel the love for those who lay their lives on the line everyday.
Political fuckery Chicago style, again.
G_d Bless CPD!
When the city reenacts the Eastland Disaster perhaps the mayor can be on board! What a waste of money he is trying to spend it all so as not to have any for the pension fund payment next year.
LOL, PD Supt McLiar just can't help himself with his 1965 reference and his, "Crime Is Down" meme. However Garry, a few other things are "down" from 1965 too Mr. McFuzzyStats:
--- a) The population of Chicago. In 1965 Chicago had approx 3.8 million residents. In 2013 it was approx 2.715 million, which is "Down" approx 1,100,000 Million people --- Ooops!
--- b) Homicide Clearances, aka: Murders Solved. In 1965 there were 395 Murders, 371 of those were 'cleared' aka: solved, which is 93.9%, only 24 scumbags got away. In 2013 there were 415 murders BUT only 126 were cleared, which is an abysmal 30.4%!! 7 out of 10 got away with murder. That's pretty neat if you want to whack someone with Supt McClueless in charge.
--- c) The number of coppers on the street protecting you is "Down"!! And in general the number of sworn officers in the Chicago Police Dept as a whole is "Down". This is Rahm & Garry's "Do More With Less" nonsense.
Another big difference between 1965 and today is that in 1965 most of Chicago was 'safe'. You could travel anywhere, even through 'bad neighborhoods', and not have to worry about catching a stray bullet. But today these animals are all over the city, no place is really 'safe'. Not the Lake-front, NW side, not the SW side, the Gold Coast, or Michigan Ave, of even driving on an expressway.
Today you CAN catch a bullet ANYWHERE in the city. So some fudged numbers might say 'crime is down', but when you're not safe anywhere you go that's pretty meaningless.
(I just posted the above on the Tribune website, now to see if it actually passes the Moderator's review -- many don't when I name Rahm or Garry.)
So question for Garry: "is it the number of people with holes in them, or whether they die or not, your measure of success?" If I recall correctly, in 2012, when homicides were up, he stated that homicides are a result of many things, including the aim of the offender and medical care, etc... He said we need to focus on reducing the number of people with holes in them. Thus Garry, your initiatives are failing.
How many public housing units have been torn down , apartment buildings and single family homes in Chicago in the last 10 years . Section 8 has moved to suburbs .
Thank the bulldozer and wrecking ball operators for decrease not a politician .
Off Topic: Just saw the news that Burge is being paroled...meanwhile, Ald Proco Joe Moreno wants to establish a city funded organization to compensate torture victims, teach CPS students about police torture incidents and all the rest. Does this clueless asshole have any ideas to offset the pension shortfalls. Why doesn't he just propose a city funded Department of Flint Taylor and Locke Boweman? What a jag off!
Anonymous said...
Speaking of: SPIN SPIN SPIN
Spin this...What's the REAL reason Barry the Messiah flew into, of all places Gary, Indiana to do some politicking here.
------ Dear god, man.......well I was going to go all negative on this one. Let me turn it around to the positive instead:
CONGRATULATIONS! You're at the top of the racist Hard-of-Thinking heap for today. Well done!
Just FYI - the IQ test isn't like golf. A low score isn't such a good thing.
The Supe was tap dancing like Steppin Fetchett on the Kass show this morning.
Mr. Obvious said...
Spin this...What's the REAL reason Barry the Messiah flew into, of all places Gary, Indiana to do some politicking here.
Could it be that Rahm and McHatchetman have screwed up the Chicago Police Department so much that it was safer to go to Gary, the Mogadishu of the Midwest than our thriving metropolis?
Um...some asshole burned out the FAA TRACON center in Aurora, screwing up air traffic for hundreds of miles, and rather than fly Air Force One in under those circumstances and disrupt a system already limping along, they went to where there is proper radar coverage?
Duh?
10/02/2014 04:38:00 AM
Double Duh...
Air Force One might have flown into Gary, but the 3 Osprey's have been flying into O"Hare all week. Just a stupid PR move.
http://m.ajc.com/news/news/doctor-boards-flight-in-ebola-protection-suit-to-p/nhZk8/
Everybody start paying attention to this
hanks Dean, you lost tuition reimbursement for CPD and Rahm gained it for CPS graduates.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/544/article/p2p-81557538/
10/02/2014 12:28:00 AM
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If CPD (FOP) lost tuition reimbursement for the rank-and-file, you lost a REAL benefit.
Tuition reimbursement is how someone with a Bachelors degree can go on and afford getting a Masters degree without killing their salaries and spending everything on courses.
No tuition reimbursement equals no advancement. WHY? Because you need more skills and broader skills for advancement as well as maybe getting into another field.
Very DUMB to have given that away. If you didn't use tuition reimbursement while CPD had it - you left a LOT of money on the table. Not just for paying for the class, but for the residual benefit of having more credentials to command more money and a better position.
Chances are, the narrow view was "we don't need that, less than 50% use it" - let's trade it for something else.
BAD move. VERY shortsighted.
Education costs a LOT of money today. If a course is $3,400. You have to make $5,000 or so before taxes in order to have enough money to take that course.
Do the math the other way. You take two courses ($6,800) and have to pay for them.
You would have to make another $10,000-$11,000 or more (before taxes) to cover that expenditure.
Next case.
Here is a newsflash. Obama just spoke at Northwestern University and said publicly that the economy is much better today than it was six years ago. No way that Rham could possibly dispute that claim from his guy nor could an arbitrator.vote no now and we will get a better deal then if we agree to this pathetic contract. Vote no!
Thanks for every thang u do President OBOLA & Rahm Obolalite
ot why can't I have two-three years to choose my health insurance. The city wants me to decide by Oct 3 for something that begins in Jan. Then the city should have had a new contract done by April 2012 The FOP better start their demands for a new contract now and have it pass by the members by April 2017. The rates should be frozen for the length of the contract.If the rates go up our pay should also increase.
ot why doesn't the fop hire a full time Health Insurance Adviser to assist retirees in their insurance options as we cannot afford the city option. I also think every one could assistance in filing claims that are not paid, appeals ect.
Rahm is a scumbag!
I'm glad that Air Force One had to land in Gary rather than O'hare!
Keep this idiot Rahm from kissing the Messiahs ring finger!
I find it hysterical that the President chose to fly into Gary over Chicago. He's probably looking at property there.
I just had an email with a Sun Times link sent to me that the Federal Appeals Court has ruled against retirees on health care. Go to Sun Times and click on news and the click onto politics. It's a breaking news story.
Cps students receive Free tuition , preferred car on hiring for chicago police , $6.00 raise for the French frie cooks .
Many of CPD will lose tuition reimbursement , their children will be placed behind CPS students , not even close to a $6.00 pay raise over. Five years
What do we get. Hired real estate , water bills , higher deductibles and health insurance rates .
Vote a big NO on this horse crap contract .
All your health insurance concerns are being addressed by FOP you just have to be smart enough to call.
OT: A big THANK YOU to the Alsip PD for helping out a relative of mine today on Pulaski. The Officers were great. Too bad your Sgt tried to blow off the job. I guess you have merit supervisors too.
"Speaking of: SPIN SPIN SPIN
Spin this...What's the REAL reason Barry the Messiah flew into, of all places Gary, Indiana to do some politicking here."
At least he doesn't disrupt O'Hare if he goes to Gary. Also, by landing at Gary he doesn't have to fly in the air traffic control black hole that was created last week.
OT:
Convicted Cop Killer and hero of the left Mumia is giving a commencement speech at a college.
And the profession of Police Officer dies a little more as a result
Garry is the king of spin. At his job and personal life.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
http://m.ajc.com/news/news/doctor-boards-flight-in-ebola-protection-suit-to-p/nhZk8/
Everybody start paying attention to this
10/02/2014 01:38:00 PM
Anonymous Perry F'ing Mason said...
hanks Dean, you lost tuition reimbursement for CPD and Rahm gained it for CPS graduates.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/544/article/p2p-81557538/
10/02/2014 12:28:00 AM
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If CPD (FOP) lost tuition reimbursement for the rank-and-file, you lost a REAL benefit.
Tuition reimbursement is how someone with a Bachelors degree can go on and afford getting a Masters degree without killing their salaries and spending everything on courses.
No tuition reimbursement equals no advancement. WHY? Because you need more skills and broader skills for advancement as well as maybe getting into another field.
Very DUMB to have given that away. If you didn't use tuition reimbursement while CPD had it - you left a LOT of money on the table. Not just for paying for the class, but for the residual benefit of having more credentials to command more money and a better position.
Chances are, the narrow view was "we don't need that, less than 50% use it" - let's trade it for something else.
BAD move. VERY shortsighted.
Education costs a LOT of money today. If a course is $3,400. You have to make $5,000 or so before taxes in order to have enough money to take that course.
Do the math the other way. You take two courses ($6,800) and have to pay for them.
You would have to make another $10,000-$11,000 or more (before taxes) to cover that expenditure.
Next case.
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Thank you. Here is someone with half a brain. The reimbursement is part of our pay. It is not a handout. I am in a graduate program and the courses are substantially more expensive than $3,400. I am learning some real skills. The grading is extremely competitive. But the above commenter is right, I will have more skills.
rahm makes dick daley look like a prince among men.
Go fuck yourself rahm!
You really expect any corporation to pay for a Masters Degree that you will never use on the Department. Did you forget that the college is giving a 25 percent discount...
FYI to Northwest side police. The DD at Austin and Higgins has or had an employee that posted on social media that he has spit in POs coffee. The owner told the police to leave when they questioned him. He said he didn't want police on his property.
Tell family and friends.
OT:
Convicted Cop Killer and hero of the left Mumia is giving a commencement speech at a college.
And the profession of Police Officer dies a little more as a result
10/02/2014 05:41:00 PM
Agreed, even here it was ignored.
You really expect any corporation to pay for a Masters Degree that you will never use on the Department. Did you forget that the college is giving a 25 percent discount...
10/02/2014 07:49:00 PM
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You point out a trend that HAS happened in the private sector. MANY companies had REAL decent tuition reimbursement programs that included paying 100% for courses. (But, they cut back - or eliminated it)
Some companies had really good programs like the Quaker Oats Company but they dissolved a lot of that over the years (and when they got bought out by Pepsi)
Other companies have cut back programs (like the phone companies(Bell), insurance companies, etc)
Tuition per course is HIGH (even if you get 25% off)
Those who look down at that benefit or think it was a "nothing benefit" - you are VERY wrong.
If you took 2-3 courses a year (and someone else paid for them), you would be walking away with a LOT of cash that others did not have access to (if they did not participate in the program) Plus, if you stuck with it, you would have gotten a degree.
Again, BAD MOVE as far as negotiating that away.
As someone who took advantage of that type of benefit, I know the real value of it and probably feel that loss for you more than most of you.
Next case.
Oh - on the Burge issue:
Forgot to say the deal also includes throwing them a free ride into the City Colleges.
How many are going to sign up for that?
"Well, I knows somebody who knew somebody who's uncle was arrested by Burge, so where's my free tuition?"
Yeah - I can see that happening, plus how many people are they going to hire to "administer" this "reparations" act???
Why don't any of these aldermen question why the city hasn't paid any money into the Pension Fund instead of introducing a new financial liability into the budget??
Who is worried about the solvency for that? Aldermen are supposed to have a fiduciary responsibility to all the citizens. Are they too dumb to know that?
And so many of you STILL vote Democratic - or not at all? When are YOU GUYS going to wake up?
Not a LEO, JAFO
>>>Anonymous Anonymous said...
FYI to Northwest side police. The DD at Austin and Higgins has or had an employee that posted on social media that he has spit in POs coffee. The owner told the police to leave when they questioned him. He said he didn't want police on his property.
Tell family and friends.
10/02/2014 09:24:00 PM<<<
Find that Facebook or whatever page and bring it to DD corporate management. Threaten to make that public and he could loose his franchise.
Nice.....
We are DOWN, thanks to our fucking hard work, to 1965 numbers!
And you/some coppers are voting yes to a measly 11% raise over 5 fucking years!!!
Think about it. We are WORTH more, say it...
WE ARE WORTH MORE!
And don't put words in the arbiters mouth!
To: Rahm Trolls...
"Mr. Obvious said...
Duh?
10/02/2014 04:38:00 AM"
and...
"...Just FYI - the IQ test isn't like golf. A low score isn't such a good thing.
10/02/2014 12:55:00 PM"
Those pains you each feel in your gluteus maximus is the bite from the Pit Bull of Sarcasm.
But you wouldn't know that even when it does bit you in the ass.
Just like the tidy bowl man circling the toilet drain..Chicago is in the same sorry state! The city hasn't made a pension payment in a decade..now Rahm wants to give tuition waivers to all CPS graduates who attend city colleges of Chicago if they maintain a B average. UNREAL!
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That's OK, there's only like 5 CPS students that make those kind of grades.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off Topic: Just saw the news that Burge is being paroled...meanwhile, Ald Proco Joe Moreno wants to establish a city funded organization to compensate torture victims, teach CPS students about police torture incidents and all the rest. Does this clueless asshole have any ideas to offset the pension shortfalls. Why doesn't he just propose a city funded Department of Flint Taylor and Locke Boweman? What a jag off!
10/02/2014 12:13:00 PM
Saw this also, made my stomach turn. I worked in crook county jail when these assholes were there. All they did was brag about their crimes, laughing and joking about their murders. Burge may not have been a prince among thieves and murderers but the assholes he locked up were GUILTY of the crimes they were charged with. YOU CAN NOT turn you head on the crimes they committed. THEY KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE! DONT FORGET THE TRUE VICTIMS.
To 9:07, who "doesn't work at the academy,"
Just because you have a masters degree does not mean that you can be a professor at a law school you #*!|\*#. A law degree, which is a JD or a JD LLM, takes much more time and I much more difficult to achive than a Masters. A law degree for all intents and purposes is a much "higher" degree. It is a Juris Doctorate! Kudos to anyone who gets their Masters degree in this job but don't for a second think that such a degree qualifies you to teach at a law school or teach anywhere really save a city college. I'm a cop and have my law degree. More police should go to law school and sign up before September of 2016. Your experience on this job coupled with a JD makes you a very competitive employee in the private sector or even in another facet a law enforcement. Rant over.
Thank you. Here is someone with half a brain. The reimbursement is part of our pay. It is not a handout. I am in a graduate program and the courses are substantially more expensive than $3,400. I am learning some real skills. The grading is extremely competitive. But the above commenter is right, I will have more skills.
10/02/2014 06:24:00 PM
Learning new skill? C'mon! That's what the taxpayers need, another overeducated cop who thinks he's too good for this job. Should we call you Dr. Officer? How does this "benny" for you translate to something positive for us? It doesn't. If you are that good, you'll leave the Department anyway.
As a taxpayer, I say good riddance to this program. All it did was benefit the diploma mills with contacts to City officials.
"I am proud to live in Chicago, I am proud of my CPD, and I am proud of the leadership shown by my Police Sup. and City Mayor. There is still sunshine in Chicago, all is not gloom."
-- 10/02/2014 07:46:00 AM
SING, COMRADES! (Or else.)
ALL GLORY TO THE LEADER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cMlu7tUshg
"...I am learning some real skills. The grading is extremely competitive."
Please, with your real skills. Taught by CPD command staff, your pubic safety diploma has no credence in the real world. Grading extremely competitive? If attendance is not your thing, it would seem that way.
Perry F'ing Mason said...
You really expect any corporation to pay for a Masters Degree that you will never use on the Department. Did you forget that the college is giving a 25 percent discount...
10/02/2014 07:49:00 PM
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You point out a trend that HAS happened in the private sector. MANY companies had REAL decent tuition reimbursement programs that included paying 100% for courses. (But, they cut back - or eliminated it)
Some companies had really good programs like the Quaker Oats Company but they dissolved a lot of that over the years (and when they got bought out by Pepsi)
Other companies have cut back programs (like the phone companies(Bell), insurance companies, etc)
Tuition per course is HIGH (even if you get 25% off)
Those who look down at that benefit or think it was a "nothing benefit" - you are VERY wrong.
If you took 2-3 courses a year (and someone else paid for them), you would be walking away with a LOT of cash that others did not have access to (if they did not participate in the program) Plus, if you stuck with it, you would have gotten a degree.
Again, BAD MOVE as far as negotiating that away.
As someone who took advantage of that type of benefit, I know the real value of it and probably feel that loss for you more than most of you.
Next case.
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The 25% discount is coming from the diploma mills. This is real money that we are losing. Most private sector jobs will not even cover the price of one graduate class a year. Inquire about the cost of a respectable graduate program, the cost is over $4,000 a course. If they cut the benefit on this contract, they are going to cut it even more next time.
On the tuition reimbursement...
Will I get 5% extra credit on my promotion exams if I get my degree from a public university?
"...I am learning some real skills. The grading is extremely competitive."
Please, with your real skills. Taught by CPD command staff, your pubic safety diploma has no credence in the real world. Grading extremely competitive? If attendance is not your thing, it would seem that way.
10/03/2014 08:43:00 AM
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I stayed away from the diploma mills. The price tag should have given that away. The degree is not in public safety and the school is staffed by real professors.
Anonymous said...
Thank you. Here is someone with half a brain. The reimbursement is part of our pay. It is not a handout. I am in a graduate program and the courses are substantially more expensive than $3,400. I am learning some real skills. The grading is extremely competitive. But the above commenter is right, I will have more skills.
10/02/2014 06:24:00 PM
Learning new skill? C'mon! That's what the taxpayers need, another overeducated cop who thinks he's too good for this job. Should we call you Dr. Officer? How does this "benny" for you translate to something positive for us? It doesn't. If you are that good, you'll leave the Department anyway.
As a taxpayer, I say good riddance to this program. All it did was benefit the diploma mills with contacts to City officials.
10/03/2014 07:36:00 AM
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For people to respect you, you have to respect yourself first. The job is paying you money to go to school. If you do not take advantage of it, then you will probably not pay money out of your pocket to improve yourself. If you are a police officer, then you just agreed that they should cut our compensation package. How many officers agree that are pay package should be cut (including the complete elimination of the tuition program)?
chitownsfinest said...
To 9:07, who "doesn't work at the academy,"
Just because you have a masters degree does not mean that you can be a professor at a law school you #*!|\*#. A law degree, which is a JD or a JD LLM, takes much more time and I much more difficult to achive than a Masters. A law degree for all intents and purposes is a much "higher" degree. It is a Juris Doctorate! Kudos to anyone who gets their Masters degree in this job but don't for a second think that such a degree qualifies you to teach at a law school or teach anywhere really save a city college. I'm a cop and have my law degree. More police should go to law school and sign up before September of 2016. Your experience on this job coupled with a JD makes you a very competitive employee in the private sector or even in another facet a law enforcement. Rant over.
10/03/2014 06:00:00 AM
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Well, you are incorrect! When I went through the academy, many of the instructors, who have masters degrees, stated that they teach law at different colleges. They are already teaching law. They could easily be professors at law schools. A few of the instructors stated that a law degree was a watered down version of a masters degree.
Anonymous said...
Learning new skill? C'mon! That's what the taxpayers need, another overeducated cop who thinks he's too good for this job. Should we call you Dr. Officer? How does this "benny" for you translate to something positive for us? It doesn't. If you are that good, you'll leave the Department anyway.
As a taxpayer, I say good riddance to this program. All it did was benefit the diploma mills with contacts to City officials.
10/03/2014 07:36:00 AM
Overeducated cop who thinks he's too good for this job?
Will you people make up your fucking minds already?
All of a sudden, coppers are "overeducated" after so many years of being undereducated brutes?
No matter what a Policeman does, you people are never satisfied.
Now you want to shit talk because Policemen are seen as actually taking advantage of educational opportunities?
WTF?
You want IQ testing to wash out people you feel are "too smart" to be a copper?
You should be on your bald and naked knees thanking whatever ill spirit you worship that there were people willing to work this shit doo-doo job for the comparatively meager compensation they get...
By the way... People leave jobs to move on to bigger and better things sometimes. Why does it bother you that a copper may do the same?
You're a 100% pure hater.
Anonymous said...
chitownsfinest said...
To 9:07, who "doesn't work at the academy,"
Just because you have a masters degree does not mean that you can be a professor at a law school you #*!|\*#. A law degree, which is a JD or a JD LLM, takes much more time and I much more difficult to achive than a Masters. A law degree for all intents and purposes is a much "higher" degree. It is a Juris Doctorate! Kudos to anyone who gets their Masters degree in this job but don't for a second think that such a degree qualifies you to teach at a law school or teach anywhere really save a city college. I'm a cop and have my law degree. More police should go to law school and sign up before September of 2016. Your experience on this job coupled with a JD makes you a very competitive employee in the private sector or even in another facet a law enforcement. Rant over.
10/03/2014 06:00:00 AM
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Well, you are incorrect! When I went through the academy, many of the instructors, who have masters degrees, stated that they teach law at different colleges. They are already teaching law. They could easily be professors at law schools. A few of the instructors stated that a law degree was a watered down version of a masters degree.
10/03/2014 05:39:00 PM
You fell for that? I have a master's from a non-diploma mill, top ranked program from my specialty. I knew quite a few people in law school, at the same school, and whoever told you law school is a watered down version of a master's is a the wrong person to talk to. Or maybe you're just gullible for believing it. Start with the fact that law school is 3 years long out the gate while most master's programs are 2 and some you can squeeze shorter than that. Teaching law and law related classes at a college and being a tenured law school professor is not the same. Teaching at a school means nothing. Where you teach and what you teach is what separates the real deal from the fake. I had friends that "taught" DeVry classes for side money and thought the classes were a complete joke.
Anonymous said...
Thank you. Here is someone with half a brain. The reimbursement is part of our pay. It is not a handout. I am in a graduate program and the courses are substantially more expensive than $3,400. I am learning some real skills. The grading is extremely competitive. But the above commenter is right, I will have more skills.
10/02/2014 06:24:00 PM
Learning new skill? C'mon! That's what the taxpayers need, another overeducated cop who thinks he's too good for this job. Should we call you Dr. Officer? How does this "benny" for you translate to something positive for us? It doesn't. If you are that good, you'll leave the Department anyway.
As a taxpayer, I say good riddance to this program. All it did was benefit the diploma mills with contacts to City officials.
10/03/2014 07:36:00 AM
I concur with one part of your comments: the advantage that poor and fake schools got by marketing themselves and recruiting students with education benefits. I saw it first in the military and it broke my heart to see all these guys falling for these tv commercial, only online, fake schools that knew they'd get your GI Bill and tuition assistance checks regularly...and all they had to offer was a degree that the private sector and even high level public sector jobs will not even acknowledge. As far as how it translates into something good for "us"..well I can't speak for the city because it is just too political and too much who you know and not what you know. I will say this: in the burbs you have a much better chance to do some great things. I got my master's before becoming a cop. There were exempt police and fire bosses in my classes. I got to make friends with one DC before he was a DC and he was just a classmate, I met another chief as an intern and so I had professional relationships with these people before ever coming to the job. I learned about capital budgets and projects (dealing with crappy fleets and station remodeling) in grad school. Personnel management (actually using and developing the skills of your blue shirts) in grad school. Labor negotiations (how towns shut supervisors out of bargaining rights) in grad school. The chief can be the police all day but have no administrative skills and no busy savvy and your department will suffer. I like this job but I don't need it and when I get too old to deal with some of this nonsense THEN I plan on using my degree whether it's in teaching, getting back into the academic thing and writing, consulting etc. Ok you may not use much of your degree in the beat car but if you don't have a plan for after the beat car and after the department as a whole...screw that.I'm the son of a cop and my old man taught me wayyyyy better than that and he doesn't have any degrees.
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Anonymous said...
chitownsfinest said...
To 9:07, who "doesn't work at the academy,"
Just because you have a masters degree does not mean that you can be a professor at a law school you #*!|\*#. A law degree, which is a JD or a JD LLM, takes much more time and I much more difficult to achive than a Masters. A law degree for all intents and purposes is a much "higher" degree. It is a Juris Doctorate! Kudos to anyone who gets their Masters degree in this job but don't for a second think that such a degree qualifies you to teach at a law school or teach anywhere really save a city college. I'm a cop and have my law degree. More police should go to law school and sign up before September of 2016. Your experience on this job coupled with a JD makes you a very competitive employee in the private sector or even in another facet a law enforcement. Rant over.
10/03/2014 06:00:00 AM
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Well, you are incorrect! When I went through the academy, many of the instructors, who have masters degrees, stated that they teach law at different colleges. They are already teaching law. They could easily be professors at law schools. A few of the instructors stated that a law degree was a watered down version of a masters degree.
10/03/2014 05:39:00 PM
You fell for that? I have a master's from a non-diploma mill, top ranked program from my specialty. I knew quite a few people in law school, at the same school, and whoever told you law school is a watered down version of a master's is a the wrong person to talk to. Or maybe you're just gullible for believing it. Start with the fact that law school is 3 years long out the gate while most master's programs are 2 and some you can squeeze shorter than that. Teaching law and law related classes at a college and being a tenured law school professor is not the same. Teaching at a school means nothing. Where you teach and what you teach is what separates the real deal from the fake. I had friends that "taught" DeVry classes for side money and thought the classes were a complete joke.
10/04/2014 01:30:00 AM
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What the hell is an LLM? Sounds like you are making these titles up. Who has an LLM?
Anonymous said...
"What the hell is an LLM? Sounds like you are making these titles up. Who has an LLM?"
10/04/2014 10:07:00 AM
Master of Law...
Usually an area of concentration (Tax law, Patents, Real Estate etc) for people who have a J.D. already.
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