Did We Miss Something?
Anyone know what this is about?
- Please start a topic about the FOP and MLA nullifying parts of the ratified contract that was voted in to pass by a majority of the membership. The section about time due and baby furloughs not being by management descretion anymore but by seniority.
We thought pretty much everything was by seniority - except when it isn't. We're curious about what people are experiencing in different districts now, because it's status quo where we're at.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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Time due has always been done by management discretion on my watch. You help them, they help you. Is it perfect? No, but at least the watch knows what's up.
It was posted on the CLEAR page. Nothing changed reference comp time use. Oh but Disability Dean told me the city was going to work with the FOP and change this. Remember this was touted as a win in the recent contract. So 2/3 of the idiots of the FOP voted to approve the contract. Sad
How can you change a contract once voted on then ratified?
Why can't we pick furloughs by seniority on the computer? So the numbers can be fudged?
Hello can someone please answer these two questions for me.
1... is comp time by senority now?
2... working day furlo is it days or hours?
There seems to be some serious confusion.
Thanks
I don't recall anything specific to Baby Furloughs being addressed in this most recent CBA. Unless I missed something, what existed before is what exists now.
However, the use of compensatory time is an entirely different animal. All you bonestrokes distracted by the faux panic created by FLOP regarding retroactive pay missed two very important words:
"UNREASONABLY DENIED"
As in your request to use accrued compensatory time won't be 'unreasonably denied'. Too bad this little arbitrary tidbit of verbiage hasn't yet been defined. If you'd bothered to read the proposals before voting "YES" to this stinker of a contract, you would've seen that - as part of this issue - a committee is to be assembled to address/define what is and isn't 'reasonable'.
In the meantime, perhaps you and your partner (that also couldn't get the day off) can wax poetic about those 400 new police vehicles that the city "intends" to purchase this year... while you wait an hour to get a car to start your tour.
Tiny Dancer and Disability Dean would like to thank you morons for your complacency and ignorance from the bottoms of both their hearts and well-lined pockets.
IN the packet the fop passed out with the ballotos for the membership to vote on the ratification of the contract page 28, titled memorandum of understanding optimizing ability of police to utilize comp Time without impairing dept ops.
Then goes on to say all parties agree that comp time Pdays bfds will not be reasonably denied.
4. All other elective time (bfd, comp time. Vdays) submitted no later than 7 days prior but no earlier than 35 days will b granted by seniority.
7. Nothing contained in this memorandum of understanding will modify the current policy or practices which govern the use of awarding comp time except as expressly provided HEREIN.
Monday a facsimile hit the wire stating comp time, bfds and days will be granted as they always have (management discretion) and not what was in the contract that was ratified by the majority of membership and city council.
The union was contacted and their stance was the way it was written wasn't fair to a guy with no seniority. And the were changing it back. To bad for you. And hope we don't change other things too.
Meaning no greivences because they won't fight them. The union is giving the city. The control of days off again. So they can once again take care of the dollies and kiss asses. And screw everyone else. Or as they say to bad.
010 only a handful of chosen ones can get time due on any given day.
O.T. - I heard the eagle is going to land either on the 16th, or 22nd from one source. The problem rests in terms of taxes.
I heard from another source on CFD, that the City waited until the 75th day, which would be on Feb. 1, 2015 for CPD. Any word from FOP?
Deano being Deano. You get what you voted for.
Comp time is not by seniority. If it was, then the guy who put in six months ago to attend his kids wedding or whatever would get knocked out by the guy who decides that tomorrow would be a good day to get drunk. We get to decide which slip we sign. Most of the time, its by who put the slip in first. But not always.
The Lt.
Time due etc has always had the deciding factor be seniorty. However, it was rarely if ever enforced.
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Please repost what you are trying to say. This time in english.
Thanks
Anonymous said...
Hello can someone please answer these two questions for me.
1... is comp time by senority now?
2... working day furlo is it days or hours?
There seems to be some serious confusion.
Thanks
12/05/2014 12:30:00 AM
I'll bet you voted "YES" for the contract. Call FLOP and ask them to explain it to you.
ymous said...
O.T. - I heard the eagle is going to land either on the 16th, or 22nd from one source. The problem rests in terms of taxes.
I heard from another source on CFD, that the City waited until the 75th day, which would be on Feb. 1, 2015 for CPD. Any word from FOP?
Oh my God, are you that hard strapped for cash? Tell your old lady to hit the street if you are.
That was left out of any discussion I heard on the contract because it was never disclosed by either party that that's how time due would be granted under this contract. That provision alone hurts and affects a lot of officers with not a ton of seniority. If it were disclosed upfront it surely could've changed a lot of those officers minds about how they'd vote.
Makes you wonder what else was purposely kept from us until after the voting was over.
Seniority is THE worst policy known to man. It breeds laziness and contentment. If the world ran on seniority every country would be a third world country. Sorry folks but it's time to revisit this. Not to say management is the answer but there needs to be a productivity based system to award the workers. Imagine if corporate America was governed by the rule of seniority? My god! Everyone who reads this knows exactly what I am talking about. You don't (or shouldn't be able to) get to hang it up after 15-20 years, collect (steal) a check and benefits, do absolutely nothing and hide behind "seniority kid"...if you don't want to work, retire! We have an amazing retirement system. At age 50 you can go!!! Most places require you work until 65, we are forced out at 63!! Wtf!? I digress. Seniority is an inefficient way to manage any business, let alone one expected to SERVE and protect. If the old timers were threatened with a stint on midnights they would produce. They are capable of it, we know from seeing their numbers increase exponentially for VRI. The districts, the department, and the City as a whole would be in such better shape without seniority as a way of shielding those who do not want to work, but still collect a check.
Signed
15 years on the job, bid on days, still has pride!!!
Anonymous said...
O.T. - I heard the eagle is going to land either on the 16th, or 22nd from one source. The problem rests in terms of taxes.
I heard from another source on CFD, that the City waited until the 75th day, which would be on Feb. 1, 2015 for CPD. Any word from FOP?
12/05/2014 02:42:00 AM
Then you obviously didn't read the message from Nationwide that you can divert some of your retro to deferred comp. The paperwork is due in to them on the 19th of this month.
Stop playing Dr. Dolittle with lying stool pigeons.
Scenario; I've got less than 5 years on the job and have a family function and walk in to the W/C with a time stamped time due slip first day of a police period for time off 2 weeks later and am refused the last day because someone with more time puts a slip in or calls for time due 24 hrs before my requested day I say it's B.S. That is the same as the Crap in the Contract denying Duty Availability the first 3 years on the job.
Darth Emmanuel:
"Take those comp time slips and bring them to my paper shredder."
FOP:
"You said they'd be left in the districts under our supervision. We promised them time due."
Darth Emmanuel:
"I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further!"
FOP:
"This deal is getting worse all the time!"
Well little off topic but a question that bothers me if not many officers. Furlo picks and we have the commanders office house mice picking with the watch taking four or five slots. Why can they pick with the tact teams THEY NEVER PATROL ANYWAY...............
No elective time off is ever denied at Unit 541.
Listen, NOTHING will ever stop the department from being able to deny time due. They simply have to site manpower and they are in the clear. What everyone should do for 6 months is stop taking time and start taking money. That will get their attention. I mean really when you think about it, what's the point of taking time if you can never use it?
All you suckers who voted to approve this contract were duped by President Disability. The FOP is giving in to the city again. You played everyone well Dean. Its a shame.
FYI Please read deferred comp bulletin on clear page. You can defer money from retro into your 457. It's tax deferred for 2015. Plan accordingly because the tax on retro will be at 40% or greater.
O.T. - I heard the eagle is going to land either on the 16th, or 22nd from one source. The problem rests in terms of taxes.
I heard from another source on CFD, that the City waited until the 75th day, which would be on Feb. 1, 2015 for CPD. Any word from FOP?
My guess the 22nd FOP has a link to deferred comp re: depositing retro check and that form is due by the 19th. Therefore 22nd makes more sense, but who knows for sure.
09 JAN 15 The eagle will land!
I love that management people will never get the holidays off.
How can you change a contract once voted on then ratified?
12/05/2014 12:21:00 AM
A letter/memorandum of understanding. Basically both parties of the contract agree to make a change or clarification in the agreement in writing.
No elective time off is ever denied at Unit 541.
12/05/2014 11:05:00 AM
Lmao! As someone who used to work for ur ignorant ass I can tell u it was the worst place in my police career to try and take time off. It was also an eye opener to see how many cry baby, thieving, faking, lying, lazy and ungrateful mother fuckers are on this department. The best part was spending ur money with absolutely no regret at all.
I spoke to an FOP elected rep. He didn't know shit and only guessed. Nice sharp duds however.
Anonymous said...
I love that management people will never get the holidays off.
12/05/2014 03:22:00 PM
Unless that was sarcasm or tongue in cheek, it should read, "I'm glad that management people never get overtime pay for working meaningless holidays" such as Polaski or MLK, etc.
Anonymous said...Seniority is THE worst policy known to man. It breeds laziness and contentment. If the world ran on seniority every country would be a third world country. Sorry folks but it's time to revisit this. Not to say management is the answer but there needs to be a productivity based system to award the workers. Imagine if corporate America was governed by the rule of seniority? My god! Everyone who reads this knows exactly what I am talking about. You don't (or shouldn't be able to) get to hang it up after 15-20 years, collect (steal) a check and benefits, do absolutely nothing and hide behind "seniority kid"...if you don't want to work, retire! We have an amazing retirement system. At age 50 you can go!!! Most places require you work until 65, we are forced out at 63!! Wtf!? I digress. Seniority is an inefficient way to manage any business, let alone one expected to SERVE and protect. If the old timers were threatened with a stint on midnights they would produce. They are capable of it, we know from seeing their numbers increase exponentially for VRI. The districts, the department, and the City as a whole would be in such better shape without seniority as a way of shielding those who do not want to work, but still collect a check.
Signed
15 years on the job, bid on days, still has pride!!!
12/05/2014 08:49:00 AM
So you have no problem swapping your furlough this year with a guy that has 2 years on Mr. 15 years and proud? Or maybe you'd like the 2 year wonder to take your bid spot on days. Yeah, I didn't think so. Now stfu and go get your shine box.
"Time due has always been done by management discretion on my watch. You help them, they help you. Is it perfect? No, but at least the watch knows what's up.
12/05/2014 12:05:00 AM"
You help them? How's that? By crawling under their desk in true Gump Fashion?
Anonymous said...
Scenario; I've got less than 5 years on the job and have a family function and walk in to the W/C with a time stamped time due slip first day of a police period for time off 2 weeks later and am refused the last day because someone with more time puts a slip in or calls for time due 24 hrs before my requested day I say it's B.S. That is the same as the Crap in the Contract denying Duty Availability the first 3 years on the job.
12/05/2014 09:45:00 AM
This what you have "P" days for.
Hello can someone please answer these two questions for me.
1... is comp time by senority now?
2... working day furlo is it days or hours?
There seems to be some serious confusion.
Thanks
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This seems to be a serious issue that even FOP can not answer and it is their contract. And this is crucial information.
So does anyone have an answer to this?
This shit keeps getting worse and now with the help of our own union that we pay to represent and protect us.
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