Body Camera Time
- Chicago police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said Monday that the department would begin testing body cameras on officers within about 60 days as part of a pilot project.
McCarthy offered few specifics at a news conference called to highlight crime statistics, but he made it clear he backs the test.
"We have a number of officers who have volunteered because that's how we're going to handle it initially," McCarthy said. "I endorse the program. I would say within 60 days we'll be up and running."
Remember, it's for your own good!
- The new technology has won early backing among disparate groups that often clash over law enforcement issues, from the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois and the state NAACP to the union that represents rank-and-file Chicago police officers and the Independent Police Review Authority, which investigates allegations of misconduct by officers.
Proponents hope the cameras will reduce the number of citizen complaints and costly lawsuits over police misconduct while at the same time discouraging citizens from making baseless accusations. The U.S. Justice Department has warned of the scarcity of research on the cameras' effectiveness, but a widely cited study of body cameras in 2012 by police in Rialto, Calif., a small town about 55 miles east of Los Angeles, found that complaints against its officers plummeted by 88 percent that year while officers' use of force dropped by 60 percent.
We might be wrong, but this seems to be exactly what they said about the Sworn Affidavit program - complaints will fall and baseless accusations will cease. Of course, that didn't happen. Vigorous prosecution of perjurers would stop false complaints, but no one seems to have the balls to do that.
You want to know what's going to happen? A precipitous drop in citizen contacts. Drive-by policing. Some districts will get these cameras, but not the units that generate a significant number of CR investigations. And a few months later, after the hubbub has died down, the cameras will break-down and the city won't spend a dime on maintenance or repair - exactly like the in-car cameras.
You want to know what's going to happen? A precipitous drop in citizen contacts. Drive-by policing. Some districts will get these cameras, but not the units that generate a significant number of CR investigations. And a few months later, after the hubbub has died down, the cameras will break-down and the city won't spend a dime on maintenance or repair - exactly like the in-car cameras.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
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I welcome these cameras.
To the best of my knowledge no one has been jammed up from the in car cameras.
When I say that I mean actually not doing something off the wall stupid
Let IPRA and the media outlets see what these fucken savages act like.
Not to mention everytime I get out of my squad I'm gonna adjust the camera so they can see it before they even open their mouth with there bullshit.
Of course complaints and use of force dropped. Because the cops stopped proactive police work. I know I will have 0 complaints and 0 trrs. Along with 0 arrests, 0 traffic stops, and 0 CCs.
One more piece of equipment to be responsible for and to get disciplined for when it shows up damaged
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Time for us proactive officers shaking the bushes for arrest, to start enjoying more coffee time and less field interviews
Drive by policing....
Exactly!
Rahm's detail should get them first so we can see where the taxpayers money is going
The all seeing eye of government. It will protect society from the police.
LOL at anyone who 'fears' this kind of objective accountability.
Go find another line of work.
Great, all because some mutant goon got capped by the police and got those organizational milksops worked up into a tizzy.
He stole cigars, choked a store clerk, then attacked a police officer and got killed. So what's the problem?
That's fine. I bring in zeros now anyway. Put one of those stupid gizmos on me and I'll be the first officer in history to have negative numbers for my stats.
Body cameras will never fly in Chicago. Who's going yo pay for it? Surely not people in the ghetto who hate the polices.
No matter what the camera shows, they will still say he had his hands up and was shot in the back, then they will loot and protest. You know the police can edit that film and use photo shop.
They can get cameras through this federal grant, yet over half the fleet needs to be replaced, half the cars don't have computers and the cars that actually have cameras, they barely work. Makes sense.
The last line in the post summed it all up. Out of the 4 day week, I'm lucky if one day the camera works in the squad. How are they gonna handle up to foot chases and scuffles? Fall off, break, get lost and never replaced.
everything will break, the city won't fix it and then this will lead to doubt the next time we are sued and the video cannot be produced.
Hey relax people, being filmed in stressful incounters and then Monday morning quarterbacked to death by people who have never done your job isn't that bad. Just ask any NFL player.
The in car cameras were supposed to cut down on brutality complaints, excessive force, etc.
Great Cant Wait So when my SGT says they were they and they wernt well guess they'll be in trouble then right?
BS
Put Body cameras on the house mouses and the do nothings that stroll into the academy 2 hours after their tour of duty started
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Yeah, except an affidavit is an affidavit, and a video is a video. I support you guys, but if you're doing nothing wrong, this can only help you. For the bad apples, this weeds them out and prevents them from giving cops a bad name in general. And this is what we all want, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if there was a video of officer Wilson justifiably sending that thug to his maker?
I can't wait for the public to really see what assholes we deal with on a daily basis! Yea, go protest for a shitbag thug then! The same jagoffs that will bust your face for a lousy cell phone!
"Wouldn't it be nice if there was a video of officer Wilson justifiably sending that thug to his maker?"
Problem is we have the Gentle Giant on video stealing cigars, 6 + witnesses that back up Wilson, DNA evidence in the car, AND an autopsy.
They still burned the bitch down.
The cameras are otw. We can't stop it. Adjust accordingly.
Not true, unlike the vehicle cameras, this stuff is being privately funded, and Taser International, and the corrupt bidding will profit big with the selling, installation, and maintenance of these. Not to mention the anti-police private organizations funding this crap. It's ironic the entire public and media is against "Big Brother" but the entire country, including the Superintendent is obsessed with this political hot topic of arming everyone with this mass invasion of privacy of the officer and public being filmed every second. If I was a rape victim, or shooting witness in the ghetto, I'd be terrified of this 24/7 recorded interaction. CPD will now get even less cooperation and less victims come forward, but yet your hear none of this coming from these coward supporters who have ulterior motives. The bozo of the FOP #7 President, even supported this! Watch you back officers, the public and political tide is looking to screw each and every one of you until the hospice of some fat slob of a racist thug who attempted to kill an honest & hero police officer in Missouri. This is a much bigger topic and movement being covered up in monumental ways making the police officers nationwide the evil doer when in fact its a small minority of the population who are offenders, who claim to be racially targeted when in fact they are in fact ARE committing great atrocities against fellow citizens. Who would of ever thought that the heroic men and women in blue would be the ones on the defensive while the thugs begin to rule society with intimidation force so great to get politicians and even our police administration and union leadership to kneel before them selling out the professional cops at the bottom. Its a disgrace and unfortunate that our rookies have a long road ahead of them, and ultimately the law abiding honest public are being targeted and will suffer gravely as a result. What's next, a microphone and camera in your home recording your thoughts!? You may laugh, but this is the slope we are heading in, did anyone ever envision 10 years ago, that tiny cameras would be affixed on your tie…No, didn't think so!
Yeah, except an affidavit is an affidavit, and a video is a video. I support you guys, but if you're doing nothing wrong, this can only help you. For the bad apples, this weeds them out and prevents them from giving cops a bad name in general. And this is what we all want, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if there was a video of officer Wilson justifiably sending that thug to his maker?
12/02/2014 04:05:00 AM
It's a FELONY to punch me, wrestle me to the ground, resist arrest or even to spit on me. I would expect a triple digit increase in "Battery to a Police Officer" charges, but we won't get it in Cook County.
THAT is the real reason we are unhappy with the cameras. We will only see instances where we are disciplined for MFing a 'citizen' or ignoring some crack heads wild complaint.
If it were fair, EVERY copper would demand to have a camera. But let's be realistic. That aint gonna be the case and we know it. You do too.
I wonder if the video will be admissible in court when ray-ray assaults the police. Maybe battery on p.o. cases won't be thrown out the majority of the time like they are now.
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How are they activated? Will they be on all the time?
AND remember, like your laptop and phone cameras. They can be hacked and turned on remotely without your knowledge.
Same thing here?
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Even if these cameras record the savage acting like they do, do you think the department would ever release it to the public. Never, remember that this is a democratic state and they rely on the ghetto vote to stay in office. Releasing videos that shows their true nature would be political suicide. Time for us to use our own "body" cameras, old phones with video, and start posting in on YouTube. Only problem is that most people will think its fake, because the sheep have never seen these animals acting like they do. Is the the AMERICA you want?
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Why not if your out on bond for a felony, part of the conditions are that you wear a body camera with an unobstructed view of your surroundings wherever you leave your abode! Sort of like the ankle bracelet program.
America can't wait to see how a certain 13% of the population real act.
People complain (rightly) about the government spying on its citizens and then they want government agents to wear cameras...
When the cameras capture citizens' bad behavior and prove that, in most cases, officers act appropriately, they will start crying about privacy and will want the cameras gone. They can whip out their phone and record you while they're being uncooperative and reminding you that they know their rights but don't you violate their privacy by recording them.
Anonymous said...
LOL at anyone who 'fears' this kind of objective accountability.
Go find another line of work.
12/02/2014 01:00:00 AM
LOL at the idiot so anxious to see the end of any kind of proactive Policing.
"Objective Accountability?
Ain't that but about a bitch... A small portion of finely minced word salad from city hall.
You must be one of Rahm's trolls/spokes-weasels...
Every swinging dick and dangling tit at city hall should be first to wear these damned things. More crooks and thieves walk through the doors of city hall in one day than ever sat in Police roll calls since 1855.
Fuck you, you smug and smarmy prick.
Who the fuck is the final arbiter of what's objective and what passes for accountability in the combination political bordello and fucked-up funhouse known as Chicago?
LOL!
You need a hard kick in your ass.
SCC how about putting together a post to see how Park Overtime Initiative is going especially in 022 Dist!! Can anyone say Douchebag!
Well said 12:10am!!
I know Im going to hear about this.. But I haven't had a beef in over 10 years. All I do is answer my calls and write a few parkers.
That's not my style. However, I'm not going to get jammed up either. I trust nobody!
Fiddling with wires and hooking up little boxes to affect to deal with immense societal problems that are intractable because the violent underclass has become a protected species.
I was taunting the liberal moon bats on mediamatters.org last night who thought this was a great idea and agreed, saying that in Chicago the FOP could use the tape to expose the abuse you deal with and use the video to negotiate higher wages.
They got real quit real fast.
Always hit liberals back twice as hard
These sure are some funny numbers,
Anonymous said...
SCC, talk about budgeting, look at the 2015 budget for the Police Department on the Cities own website.
Run the data set just for Police Officer - Assigned as Explosive Detection Canine Handler. The City has budgeted for 2 Public Transportation, 2 Midway, and 6 O'Hare Canine Handlers in the 2016 budget at the rate of $61,530. Now take a look at the 2014 Position & Salary Schedule for the Police Department, and this is the old Schedule before the new contract.
Title Code 9153 (Canine)
Position 1 1st 12 months on the job $61,530
Position 2 after 12 months on the job $65,016
Position 3 after 18 months on the job $68,382
Position 4 after 30 months on the job $71,748
Now you need to have 3 years on to take the test so how the fuck can you say you will have a total of 10 positions at a salary of $61,530 when you need 36 months on the job to take the test so would already making $71,748 if promoted with 3 years on?
Now this is just for 10 spots, where is the forensic account the FOP always says they are going to get to go through the Cities books? Someone should go through the whole department budget and see how many shady things like this there are and at how many untold millions is this budget off.
12/01/2014 11:59:00 PM
Within 60 days?? The FOP is on board with this??
Sounds like these cameras are coming hard and fast .... and of course it's for our own good. Obviously the NAACP and ACLU etc. know a ton about policing and know what's best for us.
The way I see it theres a host of issues, privacy etc,, that need to be worked out before these cameras are forced to be worn.
How about Rahm and the Alderthieves wear body cameras whenever conducting any type of city business?? It'd be for their own good. It might cause a drop in the number of alderthieves that routinely get indicted and wind up in jail.
Rahm's detail should get them first so we can see where the taxpayers money is going
12/02/2014 12:39:00 AM
I second that. Let the public see what RAHM has his armed butlers doing.
The President has a team of experts advising him on this. Trust him and his team.
Wearing a camera should be a stipulation for being out on parole or bond.
Anonymous said...
Of course complaints and use of force dropped. Because the cops stopped proactive police work. I know I will have 0 complaints and 0 trrs. Along with 0 arrests, 0 traffic stops, and 0 CCs.
12/02/2014 12:21:00 AM
What are you doing at work that you don't want to be recorded?
"That ain't me!" Year after year shirt birds will continue to deny that it's them on the video!
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"To the best of my knowledge no one has been jammed up from the in car cameras."
Other then the PO's in 018 who lost their jobs, but eventually got them back.
And we better not hear one peep when someone gets charged to the hilt for whatever actions get recorded.
I'm sorry, I am retired and had a senior moment.
I see nothing wrong with having a camera. Now it will clearly show how lawless some people really are!
If u haven't stop proactive police work by now then you need to stop drinking the punch!!!
Yeah, except an affidavit is an affidavit, and a video is a video. I support you guys, but if you're doing nothing wrong, this can only help you.
Not really. Even though you will have video evidence that the officer did nothing wrong, there will be those who will interpret differently. Oh, and don't forget the ones that will accuse the police of "editing" the video.
It's all being done to appease the democratic voter base.
A body camera, a drone view, a pod camera or cell phone video would of elicited the same results.
The media and this administration have set the narrative they desire. The police are the cause of the Englewoods. The mistrust they created with the populace has caused them to sell dope, shoot each other and other anti social behavior.
The only problem is the stats don't back it, but perception is everything.
body cameras?
a) will they work (i.e., pointed in the right direction, function as intended)?
b) what about cameras for the citizens, to record their daily lives and activities (what a hoot!)
c) can the liberals f##k up this country any more than they have already?
supt your full of shit! thats the only thing you'll back minus us...
Anonymous said...
Hey relax people, being filmed in stressful incounters and then Monday morning quarterbacked to death by people who have never done your job isn't that bad. Just ask any NFL player.
12/02/2014 03:20:00 AM
Hey stupid, on average, an NFL player makes $2 million per year. Average years they play = 4 1/2. That means the average NFL player earns $9 million before he's 25 years old.
Tell me, please, Moron, how does that compare to my job?
Oh, and by the way, while you're worshiping at the feet of the mutts and scumbags who play for the NFL, aren't you the one I saw in the stands with your hands up in support of Michael Brown?
I will never watch another NFL game again - Never.
Videos don't matter, statements don't matter, affidavits don't matter. The only time they use in car video is to jam officers up.
Not once has the city went after someone who was caught purgering themselves has ever been prosecuted. Take Ferguson a step further. Not one of those citizens who stated he was shotinnthe bad with his hands up were prosecuted, not one of the people who said they're watched and were proven to be no where near the scene were prosecuted. No one cares about the video or ever uses it to protect the police and jam up those caught lying. Just another tool to nanny state the police and handcuff their abilities to be proactive
Great Cant Wait So when my SGT says they were they and they wernt well guess they'll be in trouble then right?
If any of your reports are written like this and your Sgt approves them, then they SHOULD get in trouble.
Anonymous said...
Yeah, except an affidavit is an affidavit, and a video is a video. I support you guys, but if you're doing nothing wrong, this can only help you. For the bad apples, this weeds them out and prevents them from giving cops a bad name in general. And this is what we all want, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if there was a video of officer Wilson justifiably sending that thug to his maker?
Video wouldn't have mattered. They would believe what they want to believe and would claim the video was doctored. It was proven he didnt have his hands up and was not shot in the back, but the demonstrators still walk around with their hands up.
This is a good thing, now the public can see and hear how other upstanding citizens act. Can you imagine some of the videos that will surface on the Internet? Some of the "elite" may not like that.
I'm not in law enforcement, but it only seems logical that the first cameras should be worn by all the politicians (including Mayor Rahm and every alderperson to set an example to the police on the beat! Makes we wonder what we would find out (confirm)about
about their wheeling and dealing in screwing the people paying the taxes. Maybe taxpayers should protest until they do. Jim C
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When I first started, all I carried on my belt was a gun, radio, sap, cuffs, and nightstick. I managed to get through my career with no brutality CR's. How many more items will a cop have to carry before they get in the way of doing the job?
Hey relax people, being filmed in stressful incounters and then Monday morning quarterbacked to death by people who have never done your job isn't that bad. Just ask any NFL player.
12/02/2014 03:20:00 AM
Great analogy except for one little thing. When's the last time a football player got killed doing his job? There's been about 10 NFL game related deaths since 1948. There's been thousands upon thousands of officers killed in the line of duty in the United States since that time. Different types of stressful situations entirely for very different types of pay. Bad analogy.
Remember everyone is on camera, no breaks on traffic, I can see the whole watch down on TVBs, HA, HA your on candid camera my man, and you ain't got no license or insurance?
>>> 'Meanwhile, McCarthy said (blah blah) homicides in Chicago are on pace to be the lowest since the 1960s, down 3 percent from a year earlier. ... The number of homicides has fallen to 369 through the first 11 months of 2014, 13 fewer than a year earlier and the lowest figure since 1965, according to the department.' <<<
Uh...Supt McPhonyStats, you always bring up the Homicide number in 1965 (395) now as if it's some base-line of excellence. However, you know very well you're leaving a couple of other pertinent stats unsaid, i.e.: The clearance rate (how many were solved), and the population of Chicago in '65, both of which follow:
----- a) Of the 395 Homicides, 371 were Cleared, aka: solved, that's 93.9% (percent). Only 21 scum-bags 'got away with murder'.
----- b) Chicago's population was between somewhere 3,550,404 of '60 & 3,369,359 of '70.
Now lets do some comparisons Supt McJersey, what did 2013 look like to your 1965 Base-line:
----- 1) First of all Chicago's population dropped to 2,718,782 in 2013. That's at least 650,577 fewer people and could be as much as 831,622.
----- 2) But worst of all, and YOU should be ashamed of this Garry is the Homicide Clearance Rate(s). In 2013 it was a pathetic 30.4% --- only 126 of 415 Murders were solved, 289 scum-sucking gutter dwellers are still walking the streets. Hope you're proud, 'skipper'.
But it gets worse! And in the banner year of 2012 with 506 murders, only 129 were solved, which is a sickening 25.5%!!
Seriously, how the heck do you keep your job??
No comparison to the sworn affidavit program. No arrest has ever been perused because someone lied on an affidavit. The body cams are totally different. i think cops do the right thing 99% of the time. This will catch the assholes being assholes. Nationally, cops who use body cameras love them. the problem is, on a department as large as Chicago's the city will not pay for enough cameras, repair, training, storage and replacement. Also, I don't think the city really wants them, they will provide evidence of people lying on affidavits and allow the officer to sue.
I don't give a fuck.
I had ZERO TRRs this year, and will have ZERO TRRs next year.
So let's figure,based on MO story, how this situation would've played out...Brown would've been on camera still trying to disarm and kill and officer and then continuing his assault until the officer ended the threat to his life and those of the nearby community.
Now, we are going to waste gobs of money to a connected firm for the cameras only to have lawsuits increase.
Good job Libs. Hands up Don't Shoot
It's about time to start recording some of those ridiculous role calls I'm hearing about and those run ins with those merit bosses. Let's have some of those videos start showing up after being requested by the FOP.
Anonymous said...
" The last line in the post summed it all up. Out of the 4 day week, I'm lucky if one day the camera works in the squad. How are they gonna handle up to foot chases and scuffles? Fall off, break, get lost and never replaced. "
Will this effect officer safety with one more piece of stuff hanging off the uniform for perps to grab?
Proactive policing is officially dead. Here's your VIN to go with your PHD you sustained during your cell phone robbery. Good day sir/ma'am.
I like your take on the body cameras, SCC. I think you're exactly right... this Ferguson thing will blow over, stuff will fall into disrepair, and that will be the end of that.
However, the cameras help police officers who follow the law. Had there been a camera on Darren Wilson, a lot of this debate would be over. The whole "hands up" thing would be exposed as a lie. We'd see the struggle for the gun. We'd see first hand the punches that Wilson took to the face. It would be a lot harder to NOT give the benefit of a doubt to Wilson.
Cameras are bad for idiots.
This is a classic case if careful what you ask for. When that college hipster drinks one too many.. Hey no breaks we have no discretion and your in camera behind the wheel. You want to nerf the police fine. You would rather believe that a thug who violently strong armed the liqour store calmly put his hands up and was shot for no reason than the fact that he battered the officer and that more that 50 officers nationwide since 2005 have been killed by unarmed men nationwide. You believe that an officer killing violent criminal is worse than the hundreds of kids killed in your neighbcrhood every year...
Then fine nerf the police and get the escalation of neighborhood violence you deserve
Anonymous said...
Drive by policing....
Exactly!
12/02/2014 12:32:00 AM
I always gave our good citizens a warm smile and a well deserved wave of goodwill.
Of course complaints and use of force dropped. Because the cops stopped proactive police work. I know I will have 0 complaints and 0 trrs. Along with 0 arrests, 0 traffic stops, and 0 CCs.
12/02/2014 12:21:00 AM
Who are you kidding? that's what you have anyway.
we need a class of EVIDENCE TEECHS NOW!!not six months plus down the road!!
" hey officer you can't use that footage in court it's supposed to be there to hold you accountable not me!!!!"
Trust me video captured of the offender battering the officer or committing a crime will usually be thrown out right away.
Any footage of wrong doing by a PO will never be thrown out it will be copied sent to the feds and archived forever by the CPD and you tube
Yeah, except an affidavit is an affidavit, and a video is a video. I support you guys, but if you're doing nothing wrong, this can only help you. For the bad apples, this weeds them out and prevents them from giving cops a bad name in general. And this is what we all want, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if there was a video of officer Wilson justifiably sending that thug to his maker?
12/02/2014 04:05:00 AM
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No, because there was no true bill and he was fine anyways. I do nothing wrong, I'm not dirty but I don't like big brother. Obama and the democrats are big brother and are imposing the will on everyone. Take chicago and New York... The two biggest democratic cities in the world... Most cameras of any city in the United states. Dallas, a mostly republican city with republican ideals... No cameras on police and no department camera web throughout the city. Low crime, low shootings, low homicides and the quality of living and happiness of residents from yearly polls show it to be one of the best places to live. Cameras and big brother tactics are a constant stress on not only the people being filmed but everyday people who are aware the cameras exist... Cameras are a form of control... Use your head and look at the bigger picture. Who cares about complaints and lawsuits... Open your eyes mush
The city will never pursue this all the way through. Simply because the cameras will capture all the garbage the city lies about. Like how crime is low, it's allegedly our fault there is such a bad relationship with the citizens and definitely how terrible our equipment/vehicles are.
It seems to me we are jumping ahead of ourselves. The current eavesdropping statutes do not exempt body cameras only in car police mounted devices.
Enter squad, shut and lock door, look straight ahead.....don't get out, don't look left or right, give report rd# , go to lunch , go to station, exit squad, check off.....finish tour.....
And some will make money pushing this shit ( body cameras) on the ones out here that have to interact with assholes
Hey relax people, being filmed in stressful incounters and then Monday morning quarterbacked to death by people who have never done your job isn't that bad. Just ask any NFL player.
12/02/2014 03:20:00 AM
Rams players seem to be less stressed. Keep worshipping people half your age that won the genetic lottery.
This should be good. I wonder what the ACLU is going to say after the same characters keep popping up on our body cam feeds and it "affects" their ability to get a job, blah, blah, blah "invasion of privacy", "big brother is watching", etc. You can't win with these people. Buckle up and enjoy the ride.
I wonder if we can amend this proposal so ALL politicians and public employees will be included. It only seems fair
Camera pilot program is here boys and girls. The GO has been signed and is making its way around HQ. They said "volunteers" but it's more like strong arm volunteers who want to keep their spots. 024 is going to be pilot district, they already have team policing but new for 2015 is the addition of 10 hour days. Throwing them a bone for being the body camera guinea pigs.
Anonymous said...
Yeah, except an affidavit is an affidavit, and a video is a video. I support you guys, but if you're doing nothing wrong, this can only help you. For the bad apples, this weeds them out and prevents them from giving cops a bad name in general. And this is what we all want, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if there was a video of officer Wilson justifiably sending that thug to his maker?
12/02/2014 04:05:00 AM
You should volunteer to have the government put cameras inside your house. That way they can watch out for you and make sure you don't break any environmental laws. If you aren't doing anything wrong, what's the harm?
Video. No video. So what?
The left has shown that FACTS no longer matter. It doesn't matter if you are in the right and completely justified. If you are in the way of the agenda-driven, out of control, liberal "narrative" bus you will get run the fuck over.
Again, facts do not matter.
Good luck, everybody!
Why is it that everyone out there is jumping on police wearing a body cam, but when someone suggests people living in CHA housing should be drug tested, there is holy hell uprising from every civil rights advocate. How many times have you had someone caught on video commiting a crime, and they sit there and tell you, that's not me, looks like me but that's not me. They lie and that is the truth.
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I can't wait!!! It's like Christmas... The hours of urinal videos for someone's viewing pleasures.
Body cameras for tiny police departments or emergency deployments such a mass arrests are a great idea. Body cameras for large city departments inundated with non-scene calls and reports jobs is a huge undertaking. Does the city plan on creating a video editing unit for FOI requests? Cause we sure wouldn't want the video of a report taken from a domestic violence victim to be able to be viewed by the offender do get info, or what about interior video of people's residences on burglary reports, or how about rape victims at hospitals? I could go on for hours, who's going to be editing all this stuff? Body cameras are only good if they are recording at all times, shit happens so fast that your not gonna have to to be fiddling with cameras before you pull out your gun, hand cuffs or radio in for backup.
Anonymous said...
Body cameras will never fly in Chicago. Who's going yo pay for it? Surely not people in the ghetto who hate the polices.
12/02/2014 01:30:00 AM
Its already been approved Obama signed off on it already something like 200 something million across the country if im not mistaken.
Anonymous said...
I welcome these cameras.
To the best of my knowledge no one has been jammed up from the in car cameras.
When I say that I mean actually not doing something off the wall stupid
Let IPRA and the media outlets see what these fucken savages act like.
Not to mention everytime I get out of my squad I'm gonna adjust the camera so they can see it before they even open their mouth with there bullshit.
12/02/2014 12:10:00 AM
Great point! if your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.
And you know none of the hairgel units are going to be wearing them, and their the ones under constant pressure for numbers
No problem with cameras for police , but first let's have PDT ,computers ,cars that run .
One more comment , let's also have body guards of every politician wear one all day , let's find out how hard and what the duties are , driving kids to school , personal errands , etc. let's hear who tells them to speed it up , ride the shoulder on expressways .
Bodyguards before any sworn officer is ordered to wear the camera .
Loevy & Loevy will like it. More $ from city.
And this is what we all want, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if there was a video of officer Wilson justifiably sending that thug to his maker?
You're giving the thugs way too much credit if you think that would change anything
A knee jerk reaction to a situation that began on film at a corner store that showed a robbery,
eye witness accounts that stated this savage attacked a police officer, his DNA on his weapon.
Even when there DEAD wrong we have to cater to these animals, liberals are just too stupid to realize this is exactly why things are out of control.
All that savage had to do was listen to the officer and he would still be alive today.
These cameras are going to alter the savages behavior its not going to alter mine im not doing anything wrong so i have nothing to worry about.
i have been answering jobs and doing paper nothing more. and so are alot of other guys
Things will be even worse now lol they think numbers are bad now? they just continue to shoot themselves in the foot. no wonder why they have to manipulate numbers
Bring on thoes cameras!! i cant wait to angle it in the face of a savage who's call is not police related.
No more bullshit CR#'s or " I wanna see me a white shirt"
its all on camera now assholes!!! LOL
Now when the animals act up, the police can sue the people since now it will be on video.
Expect a few things to happen: Federal money from Obama will buy the cameras for CPD; the department will not release the video to the general public expect in heater cases. The best and funniest will never hit the airwaves; when the federal money dries up so will repair and replacement. If you think the city will release routine video to the public to show the world what you go through on a daily basis you are engaging in wishful thinking.
Anonymous said...
LOL at anyone who 'fears' this kind of objective accountability.
Go find another line of work.
12/02/2014 01:00:00
I am guessing that you are not the police. The "fear" here is video being taken out of context. Things happen in the heat of the moment and if released to the public something simple would not be understood. This is another liberal viewpoint that if you just fix the police all will be well in the black community.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Of course complaints and use of force dropped. Because the cops stopped proactive police work. I know I will have 0 complaints and 0 trrs. Along with 0 arrests, 0 traffic stops, and 0 CCs.
12/02/2014 12:21:00 AM
Woof woof pooch. Do shit the right way and you won't have to worry.
It sure seems funny that the police are not liked in the black communities nationwide. You would think that all of the cops in the US are conspiring to oppress and criminalize black youth? Or maybe the problem is with the black youth and not so much with the police. Commish Bratton said it best when he said the police are trained to react to behavior not race.
Can I record the sheets putting do nothing house mice on 4th watch so they can blow their ways to a better furlough?
@ Rahm's detail should get them first so we can see where the taxpayers money is going
They don't need them, the speed/red light cameras already catch them all the time
pandering at its best
Oh bring it Mr. Holder. Every house of filth, beds all over the floors, no food except the remnants of used fast food bags, roaches WILL now be reported to DCFS and the State of Illinois Welfare Dept. All these ghetto homes will loose their $2,000 a year per child welfare $$$. DCFS will be taking away children. Homes will be ordered condemned after we call the City Houseing Dept. Shelters will be over run with families. Why? Cause it's all on camera Mr. Holder. Hey Eric, got some extra room for some neighbors?
I wonder home many bosses will now have to leave this job because they won't be getting promoted over activity like contact cards after the cameras are on?
Cameras don’t matter. The prez just issued an executive order on immigration. When caught on camera and microphone in 2011 he said “that for me to simply, through executive order, ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president.” Don’t fear that camera and the microphone.
The prez got caught on an open mic with video saying to outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev pleading for space on the issue regarding U.S. Nato European missile defense systems. "This is my last election," Obama told Medvedev. "After my election I have more flexibility." “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir," Top Communist Medvedev said, referring to incoming Communist President Vladimir Putin. Don’t fear that camera and the microphone.
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan. Obamacare is not gonna affect you! You like your doctor, you like your plan, you keep it." Don’t fear that camera and the microphone.
Obviously lies, deception, misspeak, misdirection and assorted nefarious acts caught on the camera and microphone have no repercussions, no consequences. Mr. Supe, maybe we can first fix the phones, the computers, the P.D.Ts in cars, the leaky plumbing in the district facilities, the shortage of two-way radios, dare I say hire more police and fix/replace the fax machines for all those gun toting sworn administrative staffs. Fix these things first and then ask for lots more justice department grants/funding/cash money for the hot body cameras.
The moron who stated he had never heard of anyone being jammed up by a department camera should talk to officers who work where they are in use all the time. Many departments use them to routinely discipline, even fire officers, for what they've said or been seen doing on camera, and I'm not referring to criminal activities just everyday conversations or actions! They are reviewed constantly by supervisors, without any citizen's complaints, who look for department rule violations. Hope the moron is the first one caught for having a coffee break while not on a personal or using what the department deems inappropriate language while conversing with his partner.
If u think anything in this city is looked at objectively, then u need your head examined.
I'm worried about what happens OUT of view of the camera... where someone throws something from BEHIND you... all the camera is gonna catch is you chasing that poor young man for no reason.
I got clout.
In for a penny, in for a pound. In the name of accountability, all interactions with the public should be searchable. It could be a new reality show- the cameras could pay for a new fleet of cars. After a few local politicians get captured on video acting like asshats let's see how fast they start defunding the program.
I welcome these cameras whole heartedly. I am a pro active police officer. I know for a fact that if I do everything by the book then the Department HAS to back me up. I will continue to be proactive no matter what. I bring in dope, guns, warrants, felonies, contact cards, movers, parkers, and even an occasional curfew. Plus for my hard work I get my time off whenever I need it. Life is sweet.
Anonymous said...
I welcome these cameras.
To the best of my knowledge no one has been jammed up from the in car cameras
Well your fucking crazy because plenty of guys are jammed up from the cameras.
These cameras will be the future of policing. Whether you like it or not. My only fear is that after an incident we will be Monday Morning Quarterbacked to death. Some community activist will be breaking down the footage like John Madden did on a football play. We are fucked. Your best option is to respond to your assigned jobs.
Anonymous said...
Yeah, except an affidavit is an affidavit, and a video is a video. I support you guys, but if you're doing nothing wrong, this can only help you. For the bad apples, this weeds them out and prevents them from giving cops a bad name in general. And this is what we all want, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if there was a video of officer Wilson justifiably sending that thug to his maker?
12/02/2014 04:05:00 AM
Hi there genius, can I ask you something? We as police officers will be judged based on a split decision action. We will be judged by assholes no matter what. If we did action X they will say why you didn't do action Z? After an incident occurs they will break it down and say "this is where they went wrong". In the end, we as officers will have to be right 100% of the time. What other profession demands that? Most sensible officers will end up not putting their jobs and freedom on the line.
I am still waiting to see one person charged for a false affidavit from that "Reform" program. I'll favor this when the conduct of one of the Good Citizens is recorded and used against him in a civil litigation on behalf of an officer.
If the cameras can be used as evidence against the officer then anything that the offender does or says on film should be able to be used in the court against him without legal objections
"Time for us proactive officers shaking the bushes for arrest, to start enjoying more coffee time and less field interviews
12/02/2014 12:30:00 AM"
Yeah right.You love the smell of these cretins too much, you couldn't possibly give up digging in their drawers for that elusive lucky charm.
I appreciate this forum.
It is the best place to get the story without the city's administrative spin.
And if it involves gun violence, there is a story on it here.
Curiously, nothing on Nordstrom shooting.
What's up with that?
You need to be certain that you never get WD-40 on the lens... would ruin it and make it blurry...
Remember that when you're applying some lube to the doors on the 300K mile cruisers with the holey floors this winter.
Who's supplying the cameras? Cameras by Vanecko or Daley?
The job of the cop is coming down to writing a couple of parkers and maybe an anov for small stuff. The days of actively looking for bad guys is almost over. Cops will answer calls, arrest on signed complaints from private citizens and slowly answer "in progress" violent crimes so as not to encounter the bad guy because of the risk of an indictment for the use of deadly force.
why dont we stream live video from cop cams in 011. make it a 24 hour cable channe so Lovey and Lovey can watch and take notes.
even better, why don't we wear them home too so everyone can see where we live and see us watch Ferguson reruns that made us laugh soo hard the first time we saw them.
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Former Chicago comptroller Amer Ahmad was sentenced in absentia Monday to 15 years in prison for his role as lead conspirator in a kickback scheme at the state treasurer's office in Ohio.
http://politics.suntimes.com/article/chicago/ex-city-comptroller-gets-15-years-prison-ohio-case/mon-12012014-610pm#bmb=1
I'm a civilian but have many family members who are police officers. At first I thought the cameras would be a bad thing for the cops but then I saw this on the internet and realized they might be a great thing. For the first time people can see the bullshit you guys/gals have to put up with on a daily basis. Thanks so much for all you do. Take a few minutes to watch the two videos, make sure you watch both. It will piss you off, I know it did me.
http://clashdaily.com/2014/09/liar-black-firefighter-cries-racism-police-bullying-cops-body-cam-proves-wrong/
What happens when the stupid thing gets tangled in my seat belt when I'm jumping out of the car? Should I tell Mike Brown not to turn my face into mush until I get the camera back up and running?
The problem is EVEN with proof that the person accusing police racism or brutality is FALSE by the camera they will ignore it.
Look in St Louis they are still spreading the "hands up" lie even after the evidence proved it to be a lie.
We body cameras is there a need for IPRA??????
Body cameras for everyone, citizens, cops, firefighters, garbage men. Everyone. All people must wear a camera so when anyone wants to complain about anything they can just go to the "Kiss My Ass" window and take a number.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I welcome these cameras whole heartedly. I am a pro active police officer. I know for a fact that if I do everything by the book then the Department HAS to back me up. I will continue to be proactive no matter what. I bring in dope, guns, warrants, felonies, contact cards, movers, parkers, and even an occasional curfew. Plus for my hard work I get my time off whenever I need it. Life is sweet.
12/02/2014 02:29:00 PM
So, you work in Disneyland?
12/02/2014 03:57:00 PM
Exactly! A problem just creates an opportunity for the vultures.
Cameras on all the Alderats and King Ram it up your backside! Let's track their movements.
The Teacher
http://news.yahoo.com/albuquerque-policeman-shot-woman-fired-over-camera-lapse-021509695.html
I spent only a short time as a police officer before entering another profession but I think it's time somebody grows a set of balls and stands up to the left wingers and police haters. As a society we absolutely cannot handcuff the police with body cameras -- the police must proactively patrol otherwise there will be anarchy. The police are the law enforcement arm of the legislature -- people tend to forget this. There are plenty of other oversight measures to combat overzealous police but NOT BODY CAMERAS. This will have an absolutely chilling effect on law enforcement. As a taxpayer I demand the police be allowed to police. Most people who hate police are the ones who violate the law --the remainder are spoiled little brats who grow up to be civil rights attorneys and racist, due-process ignoring U.S. Attorneys General who place themselves in the middle of local jurisdiction police involved shooting investigations (Ferguson, MO.). The liberal anti-police people need to pull the pacifiers out of their mouths and get real. This should start with our tax spending mayor. Grab your balls, Rahm. You still have nine good fingers. Stand up for the police and let them do their job without the hindrance of body cameras.
In the esteemed words of your "can't recall" a goddam thing predecessor, body cameras are just Silly, Silly, Silly.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I welcome these cameras whole heartedly. I am a pro active police officer. I know for a fact that if I do everything by the book then the Department HAS to back me up. I will continue to be proactive no matter what. I bring in dope, guns, warrants, felonies, contact cards, movers, parkers, and even an occasional curfew. Plus for my hard work I get my time off whenever I need it. Life is sweet.
12/02/2014 02:29:00 PM
Satire or just nonsense? I did everything right too, I still wound up in Federal Court for making a lawful arrest. Dude lied lied lied. When it got to the 7th Circuit on appeal, the panel of judges said they had no proof on who was telling the truth so they arbitrarily decided to accept dude's version as truth. Nice, isn't it there Mr. pro-active police officer?
But for a piece of paper from the trial court years before and saved by me in a drawer all that time I was saved from filling out that form giving a listing of my assets and bank accounts to dude's attorneys.
Close, oh so close I came to losing to dude so don;t give me that "I am pro-active and I do everything by the book" bullshit. The Department did back me up. They hired me a good outside attorney. And a panel of judges on the 7th Circuit came very close to deciding against me. But I did everything by the book... Doesn't fucking matter. In law nothing is certain but the expense.
You can be right and do everything by the book as you claim and lose in court when you get sued anyway. To lose in a Federal Civil suit dude only has to have a preponderance of the evidence to get money from the city and the officer. Be very careful. There is an army of lawyers out there who like a new BMW auto every other year.
Who is going to download the video daily
Who is going to edit/review the video
Who is going to store this video and for how long
Who Is going to ......
Lots of who......
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am still waiting to see one person charged for a false affidavit from that "Reform" program. I'll favor this when the conduct of one of the Good Citizens is recorded and used against him in a civil litigation on behalf of an officer.
12/02/2014 02:45:00 PM
Not going to happen. I tried. Lost on appeal. If you think you are real safe and secure from assholes lying and signing a false affidavit think again. I was one of 8 police officers who got jammed because of false affidavits. Wipe your ass with that false affidavit law. We beat the complaint and tried suing based on the false affidavit. You won't win that one in Cook County.
I welcome these cameras whole heartedly. I am a pro active police officer. I know for a fact that if I do everything by the book then the Department HAS to back me up. I will continue to be proactive no matter what. I bring in dope, guns, warrants, felonies, contact cards, movers, parkers, and even an occasional curfew. Plus for my hard work I get my time off whenever I need it. Life is sweet.
Ok asswipe. Get back to us after your first Federal lawsuit.
Aren't the Police the good guys protecting good people from evil? Is our word nothing anymore? How about every politician and hack like Sharpton and Jessie wear a body camera every day for a year. Then see if we need one. They wouldn't wear it for a week.
Also if we're gonna film stuff lets record every purchase a LINK card makes and see where all the money goes (Liq. and smokes)
Da wolf
here is a link for you guys and gals
http://www.thehomesecuritysuperstore.com/body-worn-spy-cameras-button-camera-with-microphone-bc420a-p=2663
I would buy this if I was still active. Fuck them assholes that want "more free money" For 120 bucks you protect "you"
I hope they make all kinds of special effects and filters for the body cams, that way the young bucks can play with something other than the Instagram on their iPhone. And to 7:13am, if you're not out there creating any activity, then I don't understand how you're unable to have any beefs. Al's usually has little to no line at all when I am over there!
I'm a very loyal SCC reader, and occasionally I choose to comment in order to contribute my two cents into the discussion. Lately I have noticed a comment I've made here or there doesn't always make it up on the board. I'm aware that administering this blog is a very time consuming process, and approving all of the comments is probably the most time consuming process of all. Therefore, I wonder is it simply that there are only so many comments that can make the cut each night, or are my comments being kept off of the blog because they don't fall in line with the popular opinion in the LE community, or the opinions of the admin? I've been known to march to the beat of a different drum, and realize that while my opinions aren't always favored by others, I also know that I'm far from being a troll or someone trying to fan the flames in any type of counterproductive way. (e.g. I commented on this story before it had it's own dedicated post, and for whatever reason my comment never appeared.)
Anonymous said...
"Time for us proactive officers shaking the bushes for arrest, to start enjoying more coffee time and less field interviews
12/02/2014 12:30:00 AM"
Yeah right.You love the smell of these cretins too much, you couldn't possibly give up digging in their drawers for that elusive lucky charm.
12/02/2014 03:42:00 PM
True that!
Never understood the allure of being all in Dude's funky drawers looking for that elusive "Magic Crack-Rock."
Fuck that.
Stupid shit like that DOES need to stop.
Maybe a body camera on each of the (50) aldermen? Talk about live entertainment.
In a pretty ,pretty world I can film a movie,but while really doing police work and it gets physical, how is this camera going to stay put,you may need a director and an editor,it's not at all practical,designing drones with cameras to follow each squad car might be more practical,downloads and saving just another high tech futuristic farce that just is not practical,the city can hire a film crew that goes to every job and they simply film the police in action,like a reality show of Chicago's finest! We could all be movie stars staring in our own special featuring ......guess who....us!
I'm not worried about these cameras. What is upsetting is that everytime that s department purchases equipment once it has lost its luster it is neglected. A prime example is the in car cameras. None of them work or they are in bad shape because no supervisor is checking to see if they work or if officers are tampering with them. Why waste the money? It wouldn't bother me because I'm not a dirty cop. We really need to fix the problem above and get it s some PDT'S and vehicles!
Anonymous said...
I know Im going to hear about this.. But I haven't had a beef in over 10 years. All I do is answer my calls and write a few parkers.
That's not my style. However, I'm not going to get jammed up either. I trust nobody!
12/02/2014 07:13:00 AM
You need to be more proactive. Remember, the citizens, bosses and politicians in this city love you.
Speaking as a private citizen I'm fine with cop cameras but the feed should be sent to a number of recipients. To be blunt, I don't really trust the PD or the ACLU to not selectively represent what happens to bolster their side's narrative. Put it on Youtube and anyone else that asks for it, then individuals can make up thier own mind based on what happened. As an aside, interested viewers would be able to compare the raw fed to what gets presented through various outlets and find out who's bullshitting the most...the lamestream media's Stalin-quality remix of a certain Florida gentleman's 911 call comes to mind...
Not so convinced that His Harvard Majesty promising to spend a shitload of money buying a bunch of cameras that will probably never get used is such a great idea though...
Anonymous said...
Great Cant Wait So when my SGT says they were they and they wernt well guess they'll be in trouble then right?
BS
Put Body cameras on the house mouses and the do nothings that stroll into the academy 2 hours after their tour of duty started
or get me Shopping in Walgreens
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Related to that comment. Read this comment that I found in another thread.
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Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I am assigned to the academy. I am responsible for overseeing the quality and design of the training. Most of the instructors do a stellar job. We do have the rotten apples. We have some complete retards. These people make it pretty hard for the academy to deliver high quality training.
A firearms instructor was recently suspended for discharging firearms while on a boat. The instructor admitted that he would not have passed a breathalyzer test.
During the instructors defense, the instructor argued that the General Orders did not prohibit the discharge of firearms.
This means that the instructor did not understand what he was supposed to be teaching.
We have some real retards on the job. It is fortunate that most of the instructors at the academy have high aptitude and advanced degrees.
The lesson from these stories is do not drink, drive (including boating), and discharge firearms. Those three things do not mix too well.
Remember that we teach ethics too. Do the right thing.
11/25/2014 10:31:00 PM
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Do not take the bait. No one from the academy is posting anything on this blog. Even more, not one from the academy is that retarded and stupid to post something like the above comment.
Above all else, no one from the academy is that stupid and retarded to go boating, drinking, discharging firearms, and arguing that he is allowed to discharge firearms.
Do not take the bait. One incident (the stripped guy) is hard enough to belief but two of the same incidents will never happen especially involving an instructor at the academy.
11/26/2014 10:26:00 AM
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It turns out that the above story is true. There is a firearms instructor at the academy who got suspended for discharging firearms.
When the MP Officer hits the academy it will be a marriage made in heaven. They can both go boating, drinking, and discharging firearms.
Will the stripped CPD officer suffer a suspension or a discharge? If the instructor from the academy was not fired, then should the stripped CPD Officer be fired?
It is time to clean out the academy and put in new personnel, highly trained.
11/26/2014 10:20:00 PM
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This guy is definitely trolling. No firearms instructor has ever been suspended for drinking and illegally discharging firearms. Do not take the bait.
11/28/2014 09:13:00 AM
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It turns out that the incident did happen. The real story is juicier. An Instructor from the academy was suspended for discharging firearms (that correct plural) from a boat while intoxicated. Only the best and the brightest are working at the academy. It does not take much investigative skills to confirm that the incident did happen.
"I support you guys, but if you're doing nothing wrong, this can only help you. For the bad apples, this weeds them out and prevents them from giving cops a bad name..."
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First off, thank you for supporting us. I'll try to keep this as short as possible.
Because of the new generation of reporters, the cops will never get a fair shake. For example, today, in the Tribune, columnist Eric Zorn posted a "Blog video" of a cop who did NOTHING wrong- he simply did his job. Then read Zorn's innuendo and the comments section that follow.
Lastly, and a warning to you all.
Defense attorneys LOVE police video, they make millions because of them. Why the head of CPD thinks that this is beneficial to his department is beyond rational.
Jurists don't look at the bad guy they look at the cop, and regardless if an officer is right or wrong, they'll judge his/her attitude, not the offense.
And I'm sure you all know that controlling ones self under dire circumstances really doesn't happen.
Good luck all, your gonna need it.
Put one on McCarthy. Let him lead by example. He interacts with the public all day long. Yeah I didn't think so.
Can I take a selfie with this camera? Will it be like a go pro?
Coach Ditka proves again how wise he is. I have worked with him many times. He likes and respects patrol officers.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-wrigley-sign-plan-changes-met-20141202-story.html
The hacks are against people needing identification to vote?
The hacks are against releasing clout related documents involving tax money?
The hacks don't want people on welfare to be drug tested?
The hacks want public school graduates to have bonus points on firefighter test?
The writing is on the wall if you risk your life and families lively hood for this great society you will be the one who suffers!
Don't pay your parking tickets or use colorful language and action is swift...
I'd like to see all these politicians with body cameras recording all their illegal back room deals and splurging of tax payers monies. What good for the goose.
Even if these cameras record the savage acting like they do, do you think the department would ever release it to the public. Never, remember that this is a democratic state and they rely on the ghetto vote to stay in office. Releasing videos that shows their true nature would be political suicide. Time for us to use our own "body" cameras, old phones with video, and start posting in on YouTube. Only problem is that most people will think its fake, because the sheep have never seen these animals acting like they do. Is the the AMERICA you want?
The public gets to see themselves acting out every week on a hit tv show that's been on for over 20 years...it's called "Cops."
What worries me most about the cameras is, will they also record when the off-duty in 016 rushes to the scene where his/her kid called them because an on-duty copper is writing their little darling a ticket, and confronts the on-duty copper who's doing his job? That's gonna make for some real interesting video!
Say goodbye to productive activity.
12/02/2014 08:54:00 AM
Cameras....good or bad? I'm not sure. But whenever I read comments like the one above I believe that the writer never does a fucking thing anyway.
Dean Angelo sold us out. He is for the body camera w/ microphones. He said it at FOP meeting and interviewed in press.
La cosa nostra
Put a camera on me. I want the world to know what I encounter everyday. I probably have less CR#s than most and more arrests than most. That's because I had excellent Real Police teaching me along the way and I listened and remembered what they said. Have people tried to jam me up? Yeah, but God works in mysterious ways.
Even if these cameras record the savage acting like they do, do you think the department would ever release it to the public. Never, remember that this is a democratic state and they rely on the ghetto vote to stay in office. Releasing videos that shows their true nature would be political suicide. Time for us to use our own "body" cameras, old phones with video, and start posting in on YouTube. Only problem is that most people will think its fake, because the sheep have never seen these animals acting like they do. Is the the AMERICA you want?
12/02/2014 06:23:00 AM
FOIA
Hmmmm... maybe these camara's can help me make some new documentaries or docu dramas I have always been interested in......"The life and times of a hungry lil gangster disciple"..."Vicelords cry".... "The white Latin king"...Cheer up everyone, I see an ifc film in the making here.
No money to fund pensions, the city & state are broke, taxes skyrocketing, crime rampant, corruption everywhere, a bought Union, and insulting 1 or 2% raise shit contract, but somewhere out of someone's ass MILLIONS of $$$$ can be discovered miraculously to fund cameras because some bullshit that occurred overnight in a hillbilly, ghetto midwestern shithole Missouri city! It's imperative for the health, happiness, and safety of your family leave the first chance you can retire, EXIT Chicago and Crooked County and make this place a distant memory! Or continue to sit on you ass and complain how fu-led up this place is without taking action.
I agree with the earlier poster in the fact that the affidavit lawsuits issues in Cook County are a joke. That's why I don't do anything when I go to work. I answer my calls and write a few parkers. I'm done doing proactive police work. I've got 19 years and have one foot out the door.
Ok maybe a dumb question but how are they going to get around Illinois law on two party consent except for the traffic stop exemption????
Just annother thing they will make recruits buy out of the academy......what a joke!
NO MORE breaks on traffic tickets. Sorry, Citizens. Not while I'm on camera....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Remember everyone is on camera, no breaks on traffic, I can see the whole watch down on TVBs, HA, HA your on candid camera my man, and you ain't got no license or insurance?
12/02/2014 09:06:00 AM
ghetto police dist's will be in a RAP ALLLLLLLL day long. "Stack those domestics, Squad. I have another TVB!"
Say Cheese!
I don't think Obama and Rahm realize what they are causing here. Body cameras will only cause MORE Black and Brown people to be arrested.
EVERY ghetto domestic is going in under arrest! I will not let some poor woman tell me that her boyfriend hit her (on camera) and let him walk. Even if I suspect she is just trying to get back at him for sleeping around. Even the slightest improper contact will catch you a domestic battery arrest.
Now I'm going in on a domestic that will take a couple hours. So the dispatcher and bosses will be eating that RAP. (Better hire more police, Mr. Mayor.) Felony upgrade possibly. Oh, and I'll tell the ASA that it is on video and if THEY chose not to pursue, it is on him or her, personally!
Can the body video act as evidence even if the Vict refuses to show? ASA is at fault if this video shows a battered woman who is now too scared to come to court and they let the offender walk out of the court room.
What will CC Pres Preckwinkle think when more of her Black and Brown people are being convicted?
Will we have to Mirandize everyone we talk too since everything is recorded now?
Anonymous said...
If the cameras can be used as evidence against the officer then anything that the offender does or says on film should be able to be used in the court against him without legal objections
12/02/2014 03:31:00 PM
I doubt seriously that the city intends or would allow the arresting officer to take any video to court, nor would the defense attorney or judge go along with this. Seems like uncharted waters to me. The video would only be used in police internal matters. But, I could be wrong. I have never heard of this video used in a prosecution matter.
OT: The thread should be dedicated to the city and FOP in collusion over time due/seniority issue on new contract. Clout heavy kids with very little time on don't like it. They didn't read the contract and were told to vote yes on the contract per Dean Sr and Jr. Now they don't like it.
There is federal guidance concerning this type of action.
Experts say that the change/issue must go to a full membership vote because of the timeliness/critically test.
Sorry Dean, F- again.
This isn't Russia yet with everything behind closed doors.
While I'm not sure of the specifics involved in the 'body camera' program, I became a big proponent of the recently enacted CR modifications.
It saved my job on a 'morals beef.'
Try as they may, IPRA could not get the darn sheep to sign the affidavit!
What good would a documented video do? (body cam)
They had one in Ferguson MO. (Store S/A Robbery)
When they showed it... they rioted, looted and burned!
Don't think of it as a body camera.
Think of it as a personal POV device
Hmmm, kinky 😀
Don't worry over this issue. After the first few months of the reverends seeing their "people" act like the savages they are, they'll push for an injunction against the cameras based on a right to privacy violation. They can't afford to let the ghetto stereo-types be proven true on film!
Vanecko n Daley is the name of the approved vendor.
What could possibly go wrong?
Thugs take things that don't belong to them because no one is watching and doing a job is hard. So what is a cop that takes his paycheck and doesn't actually do his job because it's hard? (e.g. might get caught doing something wrong on the body cam, therefore, don't do ANYTHING)
Gotta say, we hear stories about bad cops, and it's a shame. But you guys proclaiming that you're just going to sit around because your jobs are getting too hard... Go on, keep actively shooting your cause in the foot, I'm sure you'll get a lot of sympathy from the law-abiding taxpayers.
And for you guys who soldier on, know that we DO support you out here, we know you've got a tough job, and we're glad you're there as our second line of defense.
says college boys 833r
I welcome these cameras whole heartedly. I am a pro active police officer. I know for a fact that if I do everything by the book then the Department HAS to back me up. I will continue to be proactive no matter what. I bring in dope, guns, warrants, felonies, contact cards, movers, parkers, and even an occasional curfew. Plus for my hard work I get my time off whenever I need it. Life is sweet.
12/02/2014 02:29:00 PM
Let them put one of those cameras on me! The only thing they're gonna record is me stuffing my face and looking at hot chicks all day. That's what they want, right? Hands off the rats, let it burn. I've got my blinders on. I really gotta stop eatin after the New Year. I'm ballooning up.
$200mil for cameras, at let's say $500 per camera= 400000 cameras and associated hardware/software. Divided by 50 states that averages out to 8000 cameras per state. Of course states with big cities will get a disproportionate number, while rural ares will get less. Either way this means that local communities will be on the hook to make up the diff. And remember, this federal $200mil is a one time deal, won't be around years 2,3 and so on to cover maintenance and upgrades. Just one more bullshit unfunded mandate spewing forth from the sphincter that is Washington.
Anonymous said...
Dean Angelo sold us out. He is for the body camera w/ microphones. He said it at FOP meeting and interviewed in press.
La cosa nostra
12/03/2014 12:30:00 AM
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Again another bullshit post. The cameras are coming if we like them or not. The little guy said at the meeting to ignore it is stupid demand a seat at the table and try to get some say on is better than sticking your head in the sand.
Anonymous said...
Thugs take things that don't belong to them because no one is watching and doing a job is hard. So what is a cop that takes his paycheck and doesn't actually do his job because it's hard? (e.g. might get caught doing something wrong on the body cam, therefore, don't do ANYTHING)
Gotta say, we hear stories about bad cops, and it's a shame. But you guys proclaiming that you're just going to sit around because your jobs are getting too hard... Go on, keep actively shooting your cause in the foot, I'm sure you'll get a lot of sympathy from the law-abiding taxpayers.
And for you guys who soldier on, know that we DO support you out here, we know you've got a tough job, and we're glad you're there as our second line of defense.
12/03/2014 03:27:00 PM
Sometimes the job gets very frustrating. It isn't easy, never was easy. Later on in my career I did less of the ticket writing stuff but when the bell rang and something serious happened, I was right there, always. Always ready to help a citizen or back up an officer. The save a life or lock up a criminal stuff never went away. Many years ago my FTO said that 80% of the work is done by 20% of the workers. Still true. Not only in police work.
I am guessing that you are not the police. The "fear" here is video being taken out of context. Things happen in the heat of the moment and if released to the public something simple would not be understood. This is another liberal viewpoint that if you just fix the police all will be well in the black community.
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You're right. I am not "the police". I'm a law enforcement officer, though. Your horseshit talking points get no motion with me, either. Has nothing to do with 'liberal', everything to do with thuggish assholes hedging what they're really doing with the term 'proactive policing'.
You're not bullshitting anyone.
Heh...
Body Cams will kill discretion.
The good thing is that the Body Cams will not only force bland, flavorless and strictly by the numbers, self preservationist Policing but every district will be at a standstill.
HAH!
XD XD
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