Lieutenants Join Sergeants Suit
- The Chicago Police Lieutenants Association agreed Wednesday to join forces with sergeants in a lawsuit filed last week seeking to compel Mayor Rahm Emanuel to hold a lieutenants exam they suspect is being held up in retaliation for the sergeants’ endorsement of mayoral challenger Bob Fioretti.
Tom Pleines, an attorney representing both groups, said the lieutenants have a vested interest in the outcome of the case and so does the public.
The Chicago Police Department is already 25 lieutenants short of its authorized strength of 221 at a time when police-involved shootings in Ferguson, Mo., New York City and elsewhere have highlighted the need for more supervision.
And there is widespread speculation that Police Supt. Garry McCarthy is lobbying Emanuel behind the scenes to lift the requirement that sergeants be on the job for two years to take the lieutenants exam and remain there for three years before being promoted.
Eliminating the so-called “time-in-rank” requirement would allow police officers who got merit promotions to the rank of sergeant to qualify for the lieutenants exam.
Mc"Merit" himself, who experienced a meteoric rise in the NYPD, sees no reason the "best and brightest" shouldn't have the same opportunities that he had, based on birthright, invisible genetic superiority, and the famous "my daddy knows..." whatever politician back in the day. After all, the he can't pick the best and brightest, how is a mere test going to take care of those who "deserve" stripes or bars?
Labels: promotions
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
67 Comments:
Old saying, "always dance with the one that brought you to the dance". That means endorse and help re-elect Rahm. Can you blame him for holding up promotions of those disloyal enough to endorse his opponent? Get real.
Looks like an opportunistic money grab to me.
Here's a question that needs an answer. Who was McCarthy's clout in New York or New Jersey? How did he advance up the ranks?
Yes promote more so my seniority goes up
Lt MJT
Good, FOP should join lawsuit too, it's members also have a vested intrest in the outcome. Strength in numbers.
The attorney General needs to look at the city's clout,I mean "merit" process. With any rank, you need to learn the job before being fast tracked.
If this clout process goes through, there will be more lawsuits
Sergeants do Lieutenants jobs anyways. It's a useless spot now like Captains or Executive Officers. Big Waste! Hire some fucking detectives!!! That list is over 10 years old!
I said it before that the unions should file suit for the union due that they aren't getting. If it's in the budget for X-number of spots the city should have to pay for the missing dues according to their budget numbers.
Promote them young and you own them. They can't go anywhere. Older Sergeants and Lieutenants actually speak their minds and have an opinion based on experience.
Superintendent McCarthy has no need for anyone else's opinion on how to run this Department. He is infallible, almost a god.
promotional tests are futuristic, hey I am a patrolman and where is my retro check! Today is DAY 4 of this retro check hostage taking!
Disloyal for supporting his appointment? Loyalty is a two way street suckass. He has never shown us any loyalty.
The attorney General needs to look at the city's clout,I mean "merit" process. With any rank, you need to learn the job before being fast tracked.
If this clout process goes through, there will be more lawsuits
1/29/2015 03:08:00 AM
All they have to do is look at our 1st Deputy. He went from Commander to 1st Deputy Supt without spending any time in the ranks of Deputy Chief, Chief, Deputy Supt (ADS) and it shows. He is completely lost and in way over his head
I made Sgt but im still entitled to retro. Called FOP and spoke to a civilian. She said not to be surprised if retro is paid after the election so FOP doesnt make a mayoral endorsement. What "Union" doesnt make an endorsement for Mayor?
The penaty for paying retro late? Interest only for the days the retro is late amd the interest rate is based on the whole year. Divide it up and comes out to about $7.00 a man, per month. Thanks Dean the thief, thanks Capparnelli, thanks Ray Casshole.
Why even have promotional exams on this job anymore? Reality is if GMAC doesn't get who he wants in the promotional class he just will not sign off on the class or just not have the test until he gets his way. Look at how he has handled the Canine, ET, SWAT, and Detective classes or lack of. He has perfectly good lists up but will not sign off on the classes because the people that HE wants are not on the lists. Now he's pulling the same crap with the LT.'s test. HIS guy/girl are not eligible so guess what no test. GMAC doesn't care that when you call for a Canine or ET you are waiting for hours because they have these officers running around from the north side to the south side and back because they are so short staffed. Once again the attitude is if MY GUY can't make it no one will. I know that clout has always been bad on this job but lately it is blatant and out of control.
Old saying, "always dance with the one that brought you to the dance"
At some point in time you have to decide to quit dancing with that one when they continually step on your toes.
Old saying, "always dance with the one that brought you to the dance". That means endorse and help re-elect Rahm. Can you blame him for holding up promotions of those disloyal enough to endorse his opponent? Get real
Agree. You don't get ahit for backing the loser. No way Rahm is going to lose.
...and for the Flunky Patrolman, where's your Contact Cards?
More Indians, less Chiefs.
Pleines. Isn't he the same guy that tried to bargain away pension rights for EVERYONE when he was working for the sergeant's union? And never bothered to tell anyone at FLOP what he was up to? Yes, it is. Good luck to all of you.
All the tests are held up, think of how long that Sgt exam was delayed from start to finish? The ET test has yet to develop into anything beyond an idea. God knows what will come of this canine test, and SWAT still has yet to take any new members from all that testing last year. Oh and the applications for Fugitive went nowhere as well.
Anonymous said...
Good, FOP should join lawsuit too, it's members also have a vested intrest in the outcome. Strength in numbers.
1/29/2015 02:12:00 AM
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You are a goof. Our dues money to be used to help merit Sgt.'s make merit Lt.'s?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The attorney General needs to look at the city's clout,I mean "merit" process. With any rank, you need to learn the job before being fast tracked.
If this clout process goes through, there will be more lawsuits
1/29/2015 03:08:00 AM
You're joking, right? No, seriously, tell us you're joking...
Attorney General?
Who? Which one?
Illinois? You mean Lil' Lisa Madigan?
U.S. Attny Gen. Holder? The guy who wouldn't know the Law if it bit him in the ass?
Next time, just ask upon the Pope. You might get better results.
Oh gosh what a crooked @$$ system which will undoubtably incur more lawsuits !
Who needs Lt's ?
If the sgts union grievance is upheld and we get the 55 and out health care ( similar to FOP contract up to 2017) than I, and many of my associates, am jumping from this sinking ship! You guys can have this position.
9171
No kidding - who gives a shit
The reson the test has been delayed is because the exempt deck will be shuffled very soon.
The mayor's detail is reporting that Rahm has been meeting with the former Director of the ISP the past few weeks. Watch for the return of CPD's very own to take over the wheel very soon.
From Captain Kulbida, heads are going to roll on Friday when I get seven!!!
need more sergeants and patrolman , then lieutenants . wait until 2016 to have test
Bunch of Greedy Fucks CPD Management in a Nutshell
DeaNo *Jr FLOP Silent
Exactly like the President. If he doesn't get his way, he cries like a little bitch and pouts.
promotional tests are futuristic, hey I am a patrolman and where is my retro check! Today is DAY 4 of this retro check hostage taking!
Dean and Co have worked tirelessly for you officer
We remember when you voted for Us to lead Lodge 7
Now just relax there's an election coming up and we appreciate your support of the honorable Rahm Emmanuel for mayor of our great city
Rumor is Detectives in March (150),then small class of LTs. No more promotions rest of the year! 2016 Sgt 's from new list.
hey ssc now this lt are now a thing in past they are going to what they do in burbs 12hrs shifts the sgt is acting supervision for that watch/team , 1 lt per district will be patrol commander for that unit, and will settle all disputes if they arise
JUST A THOUGHT
He is full of if. I can attest to that personally.
Anonymous said...
Sergeants do Lieutenants jobs anyways. It's a useless spot now like Captains or Executive Officers. Big Waste! Hire some fucking detectives!!! That list is over 10 years old!
1/29/2015 03:29:00 AM
Actually the watch secretaries are the boss. it sucks but they really are in charge because the Lt.'s and DSS's don't want to get involved. The Lt.'s surf the net and duck early while the DSS watches movies and approves an occasional report.
Anonymous said...
Old saying, "always dance with the one that brought you to the dance". That means endorse and help re-elect Rahm. Can you blame him for holding up promotions of those disloyal enough to endorse his opponent? Get real.
1/29/2015 12:22:00 AM
That's not how government is supposed to work. Ethics and coruption at it's finest in chicago. Just because you work in a place doesn't mean you have to vote for the guy in charge of it.
And still complete silence. Meanwhile 750 sergeants cannot plan their family vacations. This department is a joke.
There are Sgts who took early furloughs because the city told them that part one would be in the first quarter of 2015 with part two 2-3 months later. They took these furloughs to study. Meanwhile every other sgt cannot plan a vacation for the entire year because as Collins is quoted saying "the important thing is we are giving a test in 2015" ?!?!?! Guess what if the city says first quater it is IMPORTANT to me that they abide by that guidance. It is important to me that the city stop screwing us over for no good reason and abide by the 2012 court decision to give the exam at the next available practical date. That was years ago but first quarter of 2015 as they told us will do.
Who is running this circus?
After 15 years I finally feel as though the city truly does not care at all about their employees. They tell you first quarter, you pick furloughs and plan family trips, now for no reason at all they come up with "sometime in 2015!!!!" I am outraged and every 9171 who signed up should be as well.
McCarthy has 3 people who sold their soul to the devil (him) in ways such as crime numbers and paper shuffling which he promised 2 quick merit bumps. They already got 1 in the last class. And since it's always about Garry all the time, he couldn't give a f@#k about 600 other sergeants (most of whom were promoted by test score) who only did their job. Doing a special job for him is the only way to earn his approval. If Commissioner Choi wins out look for at least 1 and up to 3 sergeant direct to exempt pics.
What is with the rumour that they are making 50 Sgt's off the old list? Word is the new list is too white male. Seems to have legs!
O/T NYC public defenders make a "kill cops" video, then lie about having made it.
And of course, it's rap.
http://nypost.com/2015/01/29/nyc-public-defenders-lied-about-making-kill-cops-rap-video/
How about lifting the education requirement for those who came on the job when a high school diploma or GED was all that was needed & made Sgt with the same requirements.
Apparently 19 yrs experience years as a Sgt means nothing.
Glad I'm retired a few yrs now. This CPD is sooooo fucked up from the hair gel PO s to the BS know nothing white shirts. More contact cards! OMG
Daley did same shit and no one opened their mouth, just waited while their clout said things will be ok .
Why do the Sgt.(s) and the Lt.(s) take all the new cars the P.O. s negotiated in their new contract and leave us with the junks or nothing? What is our recourse Dean?
The rank of lieutenant is now a spot just like captain...if your a PO on this job without clout your in a dead end career....FACT
Anonymous said...
promotional tests are futuristic, hey I am a patrolman and where is my retro check! Today is DAY 4 of this retro check hostage taking!
Shit the Fuk up! Youre a tool to be used. pay your dues support flop and do the shit work. Be lucky you have a job
dean doesn't care about the po po
Clout rules. Tracey and McCarthy made a few merits in the past 2 classes that were promised big things for playing ball. It takes more than 2 scam artists to pull the wool over the entire City's eyes. You need a couple yes men (and women) to carry your water and hide your stats. Time to pay back the henchmen with quick double merit bumps.
I don't know how long in grade a Sergeant had to have to take the Lieutenants exam when I came on the job, however I do remember that you had to be on the job for 2 years to take the Detectives test, but only 6 months to take the test for Sergeant.
That should tell you something.
promotional tests are futuristic, hey I am a patrolman and where is my retro check! Today is DAY 4 of this retro check hostage taking!
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You will have your check soon. I have a particular set of skills.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about lifting the education requirement for those who came on the job when a high school diploma or GED was all that was needed & made Sgt with the same requirements.
Apparently 19 yrs experience years as a Sgt means nothing.
1/29/2015 06:46:00 PM
Sure, it means something. It means you spent 19yrs not taking advantage of your contractual benefit of a free college education.
If you on the list and don't file a lawsuit you are soft as puppy puuuu!
I mean the people who are in the possible range of receiving a promotion.
FOP has nothing to do with your promotion time to man up. Sad that the city you want to work for cheats you out of promotion then wants you to be loyal.
Good luck future white shirt.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I made Sgt but im still entitled to retro. Called FOP and spoke to a civilian. She said not to be surprised if retro is paid after the election so FOP doesnt make a mayoral endorsement.
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Another bullshit post. Not one of those people would say that.
What kind of a union does not make an endorsement? One that doesn't sell it's soul. Tiny Dancer is an asshole. Chey is a commie. The guy with orange hair made a living suing us. And the another guy is the valedictorian of a CPS high school.
Why do the Sgt.(s) and the Lt.(s) take all the new cars the P.O. s negotiated in their new contract and leave us with the junks or nothing? What is our recourse Dean?
1/29/2015 09:01:00 PM
It extends the life of the cars when an adult drives it for a few years, no cutting the steering wheel, hiding damage and such. Rank has it's privileges. That's how life works. You sound like one of those whiny "Occupiers". Why can't I have it all now? Mom said I deserve it.
And still complete silence. Meanwhile 750 sergeants cannot plan their family vacations. This department is a joke
Oh ....Poor Baby
The department Subject Matter Experts (SME's) who helped develop the lieutenant's exam were mostly merit picks who NEVER passed a promotional test themselves. Commander Lucy M-B is one example. What does she know about a testing process when she got everything she has through the merit process? She has parlayed her Asian roots into a great career. TRUTH.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why do the Sgt.(s) and the Lt.(s) take all the new cars the P.O. s negotiated in their new contract and leave us with the junks or nothing? What is our recourse Dean?
1/29/2015 09:01:00 PM
Take the fucking Sgt's test, numnuts.
Signed,
Dean
Good, FOP should join lawsuit too, it's members also have a vested intrest in the outcome. Strength in numbers.
1/29/2015 02:12:00 AM
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You are a goof. Our dues money to be used to help merit Sgt.'s make merit Lt.'s?
We have enough useless (Idiots) sgt. & Lt. out there. Fuck them "More Indians less merit chiefs"
The time has come to stand up to the administration in city hall under Rahm and Mc Carthy. They do not respect you nor care about you. Read the Trib today and see the pay to play games that are happening in this city with Rahms only purpose to treat us like people who do not matter. He only cares about his elite crowd and he buys this city with their cash in return for your hard work and your blood in many cases. He must be defeated. Fioretti is the only choice. Chuy is a cop hating enabler with his hands up don't shoot marches with cop hating protesters. And Rahm is the new King George.
If you joined CPD and expected fairness you obviously joined the wrong department,study all you want no clout maybe 1 bump then your done! Speaking as a copper who was in a great unit for a sort time "enjoy the ride" "beat them everyday" but when its over and your clout is gone your back to 9161 pushing that beat car simple as that! Max out your deferred, work vri (as long as it is still there) save what you can take care of each other,and your families everything else don't matter!
Retiring this year 29 years, it goes so quickly,treat everyday as a new day,laugh a lot, exercise, eat right, not a bad career, get on rahm to fund the pension that is the major pressing issue, many are worried about petty retro big picture pension!
Why do the Sgt.(s) and the Lt.(s) take all the new cars the P.O. s negotiated in their new contract and leave us with the junks or nothing? What is our recourse Dean?
Dean don't care
Just dont take *Jr's car
it's all on the square kid
lieutenants promoted to captain that never applied and refused promotion , same person promoted to commander in detective division
merit merit clout talks bs walks
now go write some contact cards
nonymous said...
Glad I'm retired a few yrs now. This CPD is sooooo fucked up from the hair gel PO s to the BS know nothing white shirts. More contact cards! OMG
1/29/2015 07:23:00 PM
Yes we're glad you're retired too. Jag balls.
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