Shooting Deaths Down!
Or up. Or whatever - it all depends on how you count it:
- “But shootings are up!”
Every year, this comment propagates below articles covering Chicago violence. Sometimes it’s true. Sometimes it’s not. Sometimes it’s somehow both.
Mostly it’s annoying.
It’s annoying that people constantly add this to every single article that decides to use a different statistic, and it’s annoying that we (the press) cling to year-to-year changes as if two years can tell our readers everything they need to know.
Two years of one statistic is nothing! We deserve more. Which is why, for the sake of my sanity (and yours too), I looked into twenty years of gun violence statistics in Chicago.
You’re, uh, welcome. I guess…
Hey, you have our thanks. The entire article is lengthy for a CBS piece, but it takes a look at things from a perspective that most other media outlets won't. And it actually shows some hints of journalistic effort - something lacking in local reporting for years now. Instead of accepting what the Department and Rahm feed the media, the report delves into things mentioned here and at places like HeyJackass.com.
The statistic manipulation from "year-to-year" is something decried by many here, but we've used it time and time again for comedic relief. It's actually pleasant to read something that attempts to make sense of the nonsense put out for political purposes.
The statistic manipulation from "year-to-year" is something decried by many here, but we've used it time and time again for comedic relief. It's actually pleasant to read something that attempts to make sense of the nonsense put out for political purposes.
58 Comments:
Shooting downgraded to disorderly, u got to love it
This won't make the socialist progressives happy. They hate the truth.
Someone better give a huge thanks to ER Docs right about now!
McCarthy is out. He has been on the medical since his wedding. Either he's done, or it must be nice nice to hit the medical for a month a month when you get married. Can a P.O.do that as well?
I read in the sun times that the lawyers for "the twins", Chicago's biggest dope dealers ever, did not want their names made public
wow
the paper didn't even print their names or mention them in open court
but the police officers and agents had to give theirs
It's extremely hard to find a paper that even mentions the word shot or struck by gun fire. Injured is the term often used now to describe a person that has been shot.
With all these lawsuits is this bad during election time
Aren't we the lucky ones?
NYC gives machete-wielding thug $5K for menacing cops
He menaced cops with a machete — and the city paid him for it.
A Brooklyn thug who was shot by officers while waving an 18-inch blade at them and later sued the department for $3 million got a $5,000 settlement from the city — even though his own attorney said the shooting was probably justified.
Ruhim Ullah, 24, had pleaded guilty to menacing a police officer after the 2010 confrontation, in which he was shot once in the leg by a cop trying to stop him from attacking officers with the machete, according to his lawyer.
Despite his admission of guilt, Ullah still filed a $3 million lawsuit, accusing the officers of wrongdoing.
But despite witnesses who described him as armed, the city offered a $5,000 settlement to get rid of the flimsy suit, despite the message their action sends — that crime, and potentially deadly force against cops, can pay.
“In light of all of the circumstances, the city concluded that this agreement to settle was in the city’s best interest,” said city Law Department spokesman Nick Paolucci.
Police sources weren’t so sure the payout was in their best interest. “It’s sickening,” said a law enforcement source.
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Probably one of the better things Jody Weiss did is declare all lawsuits will be fought.
I suspect there is a direct correlation between the reduction of shooting deaths and the increase in both quantity and skills of the Chicago Fire paramedics. The lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan by the medicakl profession have been passed to paramedics nation-wide. Advances such as QuikClot have greatly reduced combat deaths and that technology has been learned by civilian med professionals here in the US. Shootings are up and deaths are down not because of better policing but because of med techno;logy
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I read in the sun times that the lawyers for "the twins", Chicago's biggest dope dealers ever, did not want their names made public
wow
the paper didn't even print their names or mention them in open court
but the police officers and agents had to give theirs
1/29/2015 06:47:00 AM
Part of the agreement was that they not be identified, which went out the window when they outed themselves. The names have been published in a number of news outlets.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I read in the sun times that the lawyers for "the twins", Chicago's biggest dope dealers ever, did not want their names made public
wow
the paper didn't even print their names or mention them in open court
but the police officers and agents had to give theirs
1/29/2015 06:47:00 AM
If you don't think that "El Chapo's" people knew who the lawyers were pre-trial, you're insane.
Sure, he's in jail. It's not like anyone in history hasn't successfully ordered a hit from behind bars.
The Twins, dead already. The dull shank just aint hit its mark yet.
The lawyers, well, their time will come soon enough. It's the anticipation, the waiting game, that's got to be hell.
I was just thinking, the FOP should have a countdown clock on the website for the next due date regarding the letter that Mikey forgot to send so we don't get fucked in the ear again. Just a thought so we can all remind them this time.
McCarthy is out. He has been on the medical since his wedding. Either he's done, or it must be nice nice to hit the medical for a month a month when you get married. Can a P.O.do that as well?
1/29/2015 06:32:00 AM
Hate to bust your bubble but I just saw Garry at headquarters. I don't like the guy nor do o care for his strategies on policing but you got some false info
I read in the sun times that the lawyers for "the twins", Chicago's biggest dope dealers ever, did not want their names made public
wow
the paper didn't even print their names or mention them in open court
but the police officers and agents had to give theirs
1/29/2015 06:47:00 AM
Maybe the lawyers are aware and have knowledge of an Eric Holder Dept. of Justice approved gun distribution operation modeled after Fast and Furious to arm the cartels in the Chicagoland area. Lawyers should not be alarmed. The borders are secure and the only people who unlawfully entered into this country are those who are willing to take those jobs that the 41 million food stamps recipients will not do. Rest assured, criminal cartel types don't cross the border, only those looking to start a new life make that trek to Chicago. We have been conditioned to believe the C.I.A. brings drugs across the border and then distributes them in "poor" areas to people of color. Now we are told those high paying smuggling jobs have been outsourced and are done by the authority of some foreign based cartel. First manufacturing, now the illicit drug industry. What next?
Anonymous said...
A veteran officer was briefly removed from the 1106 team recently for making too many narcotics arrests. He also had a significant number of gun arrests and a sufficient number of contact cards. The current leadership in 011 discourages proactive policing because it results in otherwise avoidable rd numbers and thereby results in a higher crime rate. Your tax dollars at work for the fraud that is known as compstat.
1/28/2015 12:34:00 AM
8 years on the job does NOT make one a "veteran", Sam T. Give it up already. Helen Keller and Ray Charles could find dope in 011. This place WILL go on without your expertise.
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Sorry buddy but I didn't post this. If you need some proof consider the following.
They said they were "briefly" removed. This means they went back to the 06/65 team. I didn't go back, I was 1182 last night.
If you still don't believe me I'll be in rollcall on Saturday. I'll be glad to talk to you then.
Sam
Why do we accept so many murders in the Greatest Nation on Earth's 3rd largest city? Hey rham and your stooge Garry, this aint Mogadishu or Beirut. We call progress a decrease in carnage by spreading the bodies across a myriad of additional death classifications. This distorts the real overall homicide totals in an out of control inner city culture and everyday way of life.
We need to bring back the body count on the nightly national news outlets much like was reported with glee by ABC, NBC and CBS with the nightly deaths totals of American servicemen and Servicewomen in Iraq. It worked enough on the psych and conscience of the American public against policies of then President Bush setting up an unknown voting present type senator from the most corrupt state in the union. Maybe a body count propaganda tactic in the news could turn inner city residents against a national progressive agenda directed against them. It won't happen because the checks roll in and quite frankly, their only concern is themselves, getting high, f**king like stray dogs, boozing, keeping public officials promising those checks in power, staying unemployed/unproductive and other assorted scams.
You know these assholes are lying when their lips are moving.
I'll give a fuck about their shootings, murders, contact cards, etc.... when they give a fuck about my pension.
Until then, this is just a pretty good factory job.
Whistle just blew! Gotta go!
6:47....
That's why anyone working dope is a chump.
The cartels are protected by the machine and it's backer$.
Being a common citizen of this fine town....as I watch the news channels that report such things as you mention, it really doesn't take to be an accountant and that I am not, however, I know that numbers can be kicked around with such fashion as make people look very good at what they do. With saying that, the same number can make them look pretty stupid, too. Not saying anyone is stupid....ok maybe a little naive to the facts that are real. If we could only have the news channels report the news are it suppose to be given out.in truth. I'll say this, though, when I hear that shootings are down it makes me wonder and when they say they are up, I still wonder on who is zooming whom. The public or themselves. All I can say, ladies and gentlemen....KEEP THE FAITH.....
OT...Mayor Rahm the liberal stops as he is leaving a debate downtown and a kid comes up and asks him to buy a candy bar to support a high school basketball team (Dunbar). Mayor sucker buys two the kid leaves. Someone calls Dunbar, the coach calls BS, says we don't fundraise. Fioretti walks right by the kid.
Fioretti is no prize, but that's the difference between a guy raised in Skokie or wherever and a guy from Roseland.
(OT) just got property tax bill look on the back how toni and her crew are trying to show taxpayers how much they must pay in order to fund our pensions, but she says nothing about the money her demoratic friends and her people stole, bet its over a trillion stolen!
Why are they not showing how much goes to the pathetic public school system thats about 66% of the bill and for what?
"the paper didn't even print their names or mention them in open court"...
You mean Pedro and Margarito Flores ? It was in both the Tribune and Sun-Times.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-flores-brothers-cartel-sentencing-met-0128-20150127-story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-flores-brothers-cartel-sentencing-met-0128-20150127-story.html
They would probably skyrocket if Wilson were elected Mayor...
You are kidding me , right? How many POs hit the medical every summer - every Christmas ? Puleeze. Every district has its medical roll abusers .... Dog asses
You can find out the amount of your retro check on Department's intranet. 1. Go to Data Warehouse 2. Select Personnel Reports 3. Select Retro Audit Sheet (PO) 4. Top of page will list "Total Pensionable Retro Pay"
Sweet! Now, I can go see my guys at ABT and American Sales. Honey, we're getting that surround sound and swimming pool that I promised you when we were dating (emphasis added).
Anonymous said...
McCarthy is out. He has been on the medical since his wedding. Either he's done, or it must be nice nice to hit the medical for a month a month when you get married. Can a P.O.do that as well?
1/29/2015 06:32:00 AM
Let the man enjoy his honey moon.
The only people that give a fuck about this statistic is compstat. Because not even the damn community gives a shit about all the honor students getting filled with lead paper weights.
OT-A huge FUCK YOU for the CPD copper who pulled over my wife and son the other day on Harlem Ave. for a visible ARCHERY TARGET in the backseat. They were coming from the range with an NRA AND CC Sheriff sticker displayed in the back windshield. Get Gary's nuts off your chin and Rahm's dick out of your ass and grow a pair you communist heathen.
For the immediate press release to the lap dog media by the Chicago Police Department News Affairs Bureau:
Year over year murder is down by 99.9 percent. All thefts are down by 99.5 percent. Traffic related deaths though showed a stubborn increase from 99.1 percent to 99.7 percent. The city of Chicago is a utopia like none other.
Liars figure.
Chicago figures
most certainly lie...
OT: Obviously the issue with the mayor is paying the tickets, and not being a scofflaw, not the safety of the children:
http://www.cwbchicago.com/2015/01/videos-rahm-motorcade-gets-5-red-light.html
rb
It's a decrease in the increase.
I read in the sun times that the lawyers for "the twins", Chicago's biggest dope dealers ever, did not want their names made public
wow
the paper didn't even print their names or mention them in open court
but the police officers and agents had to give theirs
The paper and news showed their pictures and gave their names, what do you mean??
Who cares about shooting those retro checks are in tomorrow,units to pick up at 1300 hrs!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
McCarthy is out. He has been on the medical since his wedding. Either he's done, or it must be nice nice to hit the medical for a month a month when you get married. Can a P.O.do that as well?
1/29/2015 06:32:00 AM
Let the man enjoy his honey moon.
1/29/2015 05:05:00 PM
Motherfuck him and his honeymoon until the day he starts making these fucking ignorant-assed non people-skilled heathen supervisors stop fucking with working Policemen about family time, sick kids, parents etc.
Motherfuckers standing a post on a dope tip don't get a Policeman's grief and aggravation about time to take care of family obligations...
Especially in this day of a "right sized" Patrol Division...
OT-A huge FUCK YOU for the CPD copper who pulled over my wife and son the other day on Harlem Ave. for a visible ARCHERY TARGET in the backseat. They were coming from the range with an NRA AND CC Sheriff sticker displayed in the back windshield. Get Gary's nuts off your chin and Rahm's dick out of your ass and grow a pair you communist heathen.
1/29/2015 05:17:00 PM
You didn't say the officer was rude, or gave you wife a ticket in you childish, profane rant. I hope you don't show this side to your child or it won't be the last officer he talks to when he grows up.
As for the stickers, your magic talismans, I've been taking them off bad guys cars for over two decades. They mean nothing anymore. I applaud the copper......as long as he wasn't rude to your wife....and you didn't say he was.
Gee, the sheriff is mad because he thinks he or his family shouldn't get pulled over. Maybe they should've thrown your family to the ground and trash/searched your car. How many bogus cop stickers are out there on the wrong cars?
Tell us more please about the archery target stop.
Anonymous said...
OT-A huge FUCK YOU for the CPD copper who pulled over my wife and son the other day on Harlem Ave. for a visible ARCHERY TARGET in the backseat. They were coming from the range with an NRA AND CC Sheriff sticker displayed in the back windshield. Get Gary's nuts off your chin and Rahm's dick out of your ass and grow a pair you communist heathen.
1/29/2015 05:17:00 PM
From most of us (CPD), our apologies to you and your family. There are always a few...
8 years on the job does NOT make one a "veteran", Sam T. Give it up already. Helen Keller and Ray Charles could find dope in 011. This place WILL go on without your expertise.
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Sorry buddy but I didn't post this. If you need some proof consider the following.
They said they were "briefly" removed. This means they went back to the 06/65 team. I didn't go back, I was 1182 last night.
If you still don't believe me I'll be in rollcall on Saturday. I'll be glad to talk to you then.
Sam
1/29/2015 01:48:00 PM
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Cricket noise...nice
Anonymous said...
OT-A huge FUCK YOU for the CPD copper who pulled over my wife and son the other day on Harlem Ave. for a visible ARCHERY TARGET in the backseat. They were coming from the range with an NRA AND CC Sheriff sticker displayed in the back windshield. Get Gary's nuts off your chin and Rahm's dick out of your ass and grow a pair you communist heathen.
If your wife's attitude is any resemblance of yours, then I would have pulled her ass over too, and given her a citation. Just because an individual has a NRA and a Cook County Clown sticker on their vehicle donot make them exempt from violating traffic laws, clown!!!!
Anonymous said...
OT-A huge FUCK YOU for the CPD copper who pulled over my wife and son the other day on Harlem Ave. for a visible ARCHERY TARGET in the backseat. They were coming from the range with an NRA AND CC Sheriff sticker displayed in the back windshield. Get Gary's nuts off your chin and Rahm's dick out of your ass and grow a pair you communist heathen.
1/29/2015 05:17:00 PM
Well he didn't write her. What's your problem? I'm sure she broke some traffic laws.
McCarthy sux, But of whom Wilson would hire as Police Commish. Would make Detroit look like Beverly Hills.
1/29/2015 05:17:00 PM
That's a pretty heavy response to a simple traffic stop. I guess all those stickers make you awful special. Might I suggest you remove the Dart from your ass?
Anonymous said...
OT: Obviously the issue with the mayor is paying the tickets, and not being a scofflaw, not the safety of the children:
http://www.cwbchicago.com/2015/01/videos-rahm-motorcade-gets-5-red-light.html
rb
1/29/2015 10:09:00 PM
just race through those "pesky" stop lights, kings make the rules but don't have to abide by what they want the serfs to do! Big hurry, what happens if his detail crashes and kills an innocent driving like they are in the Indy 500 race? Does the copper driver get civilly sued? Remember the city does not indemnify us from civil suits!
Ummmm I think some of us are getting confused. I thought the article referred to the twins' lawyers not being identified. Not the twins. I could be wrong and it also could be another bout with declining journalism.
Anonymous said...
I read in the sun times that the lawyers for "the twins", Chicago's biggest dope dealers ever, did not want their names made public
wow
the paper didn't even print their names or mention them in open court
but the police officers and agents had to give theirs
The paper and news showed their pictures and gave their names, what do you mean??
1/29/2015 10:24:00 PM
THE LAWYERS NAMES, NOT the twins names! Try to pay attention here.
Anonymous said...
OT-A huge FUCK YOU for the CPD copper who pulled over my wife and son the other day on Harlem Ave. for a visible ARCHERY TARGET in the backseat. They were coming from the range with an NRA AND CC Sheriff sticker displayed in the back windshield. Get Gary's nuts off your chin and Rahm's dick out of your ass and grow a pair you communist heathen.
1/29/2015 05:17:00 PM
Relax Frances! Where on Harlem (North or South). You sure the old lady isn't fibbing to you? Maybe speeding or cutting that red light a little too close?
As for the archery target situation my wife had left the local range in Forest Park heading northbound when she was pulled over. The officer stated that the reason he pulled her over was the visible target and it was suspicion of illegal activity. Then proceeded to inquire about firearms in the vehicle and asked to search the vehicle which my wife replied no and no. He then harassed her and my son about a newly purchased bow in its box also in the backseat which he stated was illegal to transport. Now maybe im wrong for the rant but it boils my blood to see the destruction of our once great departments thru the influx of jrs indoctrinated to just follow orders and trample over rights. Thank you for the support from the few who gave it.
In New York City in 1990 there were 2,245 murders. Not counting all those floaters that got lujacked to New Jersey or Long Island or that just made fish food.
Compared to that or even the 900 or so murders in Chicago some years we are sitting pretty here in Chicago. What the hell is this, anyway? Australia? Canada? England?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I read in the sun times that the lawyers for "the twins", Chicago's biggest dope dealers ever, did not want their names made public
wow
the paper didn't even print their names or mention them in open court
but the police officers and agents had to give theirs
The paper and news showed their pictures and gave their names, what do you mean??
1/29/2015 10:24:00 PM
THE LAWYERS NAMES, NOT the twins names! Try to pay attention here.
1/30/2015 09:05:00 PM
Nope; sorry, but I'm with 10:24pm. Effective communication requires clarity.
The way you wrote that post, it seems the lawyers didn't want the twins' names out there.
Here's an example. I could have said: the way you wrote that, it seemed they didn't want their names out there. And you would have been left wondering who was 'they' and who was 'their'.
Anonymous said...
OT-A huge FUCK YOU for the CPD copper who pulled over my wife and son the other day on Harlem Ave. for a visible ARCHERY TARGET in the backseat. They were coming from the range with an NRA AND CC Sheriff sticker displayed in the back windshield. Get Gary's nuts off your chin and Rahm's dick out of your ass and grow a pair you communist heathen.
1/29/2015 05:17:00 PM
Well he didn't write her. What's your problem? I'm sure she broke some traffic laws.
1/30/2015 11:14:00 AM
YOU are sure she broke some traffic laws? So, you're God now?
If the probable cause for that stop was a visible target, could someone point me to the law violation? I sure don't see one.
Thank you for the support from the few who gave it.
1/31/2015 03:22:00 AM
The rest of us just think you are a whiner and will always wonder why you and people like you do it here.
Anonymous said...
McCarthy is out. He has been on the medical since his wedding. Either he's done, or it must be nice nice to hit the medical for a month a month when you get married. Can a P.O.do that as well?
1/29/2015 06:32:00 AM
Let the man enjoy his honey moon.
1/29/2015 05:05:00 PM
As long as we ALL get a paid, FIVE WEEK LONG honeymoon, I think we should ALL immediately take advantage of that job-related benefit.
So I check my shooting to see if anyone had been arrested. Victim shot at five times, two rounds hitting the door post between front and back seats (about 3" across) at head level. One round goes through drivers side door, through victims coat and hits driver in the side but doesn't penetrate. Wanted to see if anyone was named or caught, and find out the case was down graded to a CDTV. One bullet goes an inch left or right of the post, it hits the guy in the head and he dies. Bullet doesn't go into him it's a Crim Dam to Veh. Un- f . . . believable. Literally killing crime in Shitcago!
I can think of a few more clout babies that need to be out starting with the 005 district
I heard they under the radar for doing bogus contact card missions and gun flips
Now WW Will never make commander after this gets exposed
I heard the same shit. Out sergeant told us no head no gun and not approving case reports on flips.
I'm not surprised if some heads roll behind this and I don't blame my sergeant. We re only team that plays by the books
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