Thursday, May 14, 2015

More Reasons Chicago is Broke (UPDATE)

You have the crooked contracts we've described on numerous occasions:
  • Chicago needs widgets. The city can't just but them off the shelf at Home Depot or Wal*Mart. They have to go through a vendor. A percentage of the vendors have to meet certain requirements in terms of ownership (minority-owned, woman-owned, mob-controlled) along with the run-of-the-mill white guys. The city accepts "bids" via a easily corruptible process and chooses the vendor according to the whims of the aldercreature, the "reverends" or the voters the mayor needs. The vendor then goes and picks out the widgets at Home Depot or Wal*Mart and marks up the price by a skim-able percentage, contributes to the approved re-election fund, and pockets the rest.
We had a list of "vendors" at one point years ago. One was a storefront in Aldercreature Ed Smith's part of town, never open, but with a working phone that probably got forwarded somewhere else. The address handled all sorts of contracts for the city, including dog food for the Canine Unit - dog food that could have been purchased for 30% less than the vendor charged the city (and probably was purchased for  30% less). No one was much interested then, but maybe now?

Another place the city bleeds money - the schools. Back when the blog started, we had e-mails from old-time school officers who would relate tales of locked storerooms with unused textbooks still wrapped in shipping cellophane, supplies in original packaging, skids full of computers, monitors and printers. The officers have long since retired, and maybe the schools have gotten better at hiding things. But you still have the outright theft:
  • Four people this week were named in arrest warrants tied to the theft of more than $876,000 from two Chicago Public Schools.

    Officials with the Cook County state’s attorney’s office would not comment on the case Wednesday, but according to court records, Judge Nicholas Ford ordered the arrest warrants.

    Ford on Tuesday issued a $400,000 arrest warrant for Jermaine Robinson, 36, of Chicago. Sidney Bradley, 46, of Chicago; Albert Bennett, 49, of Carpentersville; and Paul Simmons, 55, of Calumet City, were named in $200,000 arrest warrants, court records show.

    All four were charged with theft of government property.
That's just one school. Then there's the crooked janitorial contract of recent days. The Byrd-Bennett swindle accounting for millions. Has anyone ever done an accounting on the food for the "healthy breakfast" every kid us supposed to get? When our kids were going to school, the teachers were nearly weeping with rage at the amount of perfectly good food they were throwing out on a daily basis because the kids weren't hungry or didn't like the fruit and milk provided for every student regardless of desire.

How about the 650 miles of bike lanes Rahm and his people were praising just two years ago? As we recall, the cost was calculated out at $140,000 PER MILE for paint, rubber lane dividers and labor. $91 million. We also recall posting pictures of some of the bile lanes with potholes and actual weeds growing in the lanes. Some of the longer stretches cut down perfectly serviceable four-lane thoroughfares to two-lane congested messes for maybe a dozen bikers a day through neighborhoods we wouldn't go near without a pistol.

And then there's this from the Channel 2 troll:
  • They retire as Chicago police officers and get rehired by the city, doubling up on two taxpayer subsidized paychecks, one for a civilian job and the other for a police pension.

    The Better Government Association and CBS 2 Investigators found that some even get hired back in a day to jobs at the top of the police department, all at a time when the police pension fund is only about 30 percent funded.
We've been pointing this out for years. They tag the usual suspects: O'Neill, Roussell, Shear, Hickey who retired from the department and got rehired immediately back as civilians, collecting not only their pension, but their previous salaries, sometimes with a raise. This isn't uncommon and they leave out quite a few bosses who landed other cushy government spots either in the city or at the state level: Townsend, Maurer, Keating, Grau, Schmitz. Hell, Bill Nolan got a 6-figure chief's gig at the Cook County Jail for his efforts on a number of issues. At least Ramsey left town, Kirby left the country and Cline created his own gig.

What about fire chiefs? Do they have these issues? Maybe a nice fire "inspector" slot somewhere? This double and triple dipping at the government trough has to stop. Cap pensions at the earned career rank - no more "merit" pensions. You get a "merit" bump, you get a patrolman's salary - you didn't earn shit. You come back as a civilian, you defer your pension until you actually retire for good. Government isn't supposed to make people rich, and it has made too many of the wrong people rich at the expense of the regular working cop, firefighter, teacher and retiree.

UPDATE: Someone complained in the comment section that if you earned your pension at 29-and-a-day, you ought to be able to collect it on your terms. We agree, but with the following stipulation - if you come back as a civilian, you haven't actually "retired." You are still working for the city. You are double-dipping, getting paid for the job you used to do for 29-and-a-day AND getting paid again for the job you used to do. Pension is for your non-working years, not as a 75% increase in pay for the job you're still doing for the same employer you used to (and still) have. Hope that clears up the reasoning.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

Roussell, A Real Gem

Boy if I had a Dollar every time someone posted how great this clown was and they worshiped the ground he walked on, could've retired years ago.

5/14/2015 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pension at civil service rank.

5/14/2015 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My God.....this is so perfect. Especially the last paragraph. Why the hell isnt this being shouted from the halls of Sprigfield,City Hall and anywhere else someone will listen ? The regular people who work their ass off for the city/state/county retire and collect a normal pension while the clouted,useless corrupt do nothing fucks get 2 or 3 pensions. ONE pension for any government worker.PERIOD.

5/14/2015 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The gravy train is going to go on forever. What could possibly go wrong? With a financial genius like Rahm in charge, Chicago has a bright future just like Detroit MI and Stockton CA.

5/14/2015 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You keep leaving out Sentinel Technologies. CPS paid them 100 million but there are several other firms on the books for other tech work. How the fuck can Sentintel get 100 million but then not do the data center or phone work, why does CPS still have a 10 million dollar phone system, and another 5 million for fucking Iphones? What about the 32 million to Office Depot and Staples? Are they still leasing out property for 1 dollar a year to charter schools, why is Luberman involved in any contracts? Where is the fucking states attorney?

5/14/2015 12:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oroczo, Fire Commissioner, then to OEMC, then to Daley's Chief of Staff. There's THREE PENSIONS RIGHT THERE!

The running one of Maggie Daley's charities, and collecting yet another check.

Lil Tommy Byrne, where's he at now a days?

Dana Starks, Health & Human Services.

Terry Hilliards company is doing background investigations for the City, so that's gotta be legit, right?

Who else is on that list of "Anointed Ones"?

5/14/2015 01:03:00 AM  
Blogger melvin said...

Great Ideas how to stop pension abuse .

5/14/2015 01:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about the 'vault' at the CFD shops with all the non Mars light bars taken off new equipment as it arrived so the Commissioners Mars co, would get the sales. If it is there, it is worth a lot for collectors.

5/14/2015 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doesn't matter how wasteful or corrupt that stuff is it will still go on in this sinful city. It's the Chicago way! Politicians will still waste taxpayer money to take care of each other and the connected.

5/14/2015 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous IN THE KNOW said...

Good summary of what is happening.

No one is denying the average copper. It's all the "Pigs at the Public Trough" trying to game the system.

The first thing I would do is cut back the Aldermen to 20 and take ALL that money and pour it into funding the pension. (I know, not everyone would agree with that but we need to cut back the bureaucratic bloat). Plus, it shows the Aldermen taking some sacrifice to benefit the city as a whole.

Second, I would tax ALL out-of-state pensions 20% for two reasons.

1) They are not re-circulating that money into the economy that paid their pension. They need to spend it in the same place they got it from.

2) Cost-of-living. It's a sword that can cut both ways. Everyone bitching about the cost of living so salaries need to be jacked up. If you move to a cheaper state, you don't need as much. You could have the option - pay back 20% or take whatever the police pension money is for the equivalent service in that state (i.e Florida patrolman, sargeant, etc)

Things need to be reformed.

Politicians will go after those who are not in a position to vote them out - out-of-state pensions are a fat target.

5/14/2015 01:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are describing the corruption of local and state government. Corruption aided and abetted by city councils and state legislatures.

5/14/2015 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have a Dog that's 14 and used the same Beneful Original Brand the entire time. There's always a coupon for multiple bags plus certain retailers will allow the purchase of the bags while on sale w/coupon.
The savings would be ridiculously prudent. The Dog is the very same breed The PD employs as well.
Whatever it's all a joke at this point anyway. Used to get angry and now it's the source of some great farcical humor.

5/14/2015 03:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The First Deputy's wife is putting in O.T slips left and right for no reason. I'm guessing she's making at least commanders pay with her scam. Maybe she's acting up.

5/14/2015 05:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget the midget Tom Byrne with S$S and now at the park district
Just like the other midget in charge of S$S.

5/14/2015 05:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chief Tracy's sgt.(karen) retired from his office and returned as "The Director" of R and D......

5/14/2015 06:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No more merit pensions"

Kudos for posting this!
Fix this and most of the pension issues go away and goodwill with the public is restored.

Chicago is $8 Billion in debt with another $20 Billion (at least) in unfunded pension liabilities.

Thats why you are seeing the Moodys downgrades. Chicago is now paying 8% on its debt and no longer able to continue "interest only" payments. A casino will help some but taxes will have to increase and services (including police manpower) will eventually have to be cut.

Take advantage and get the casino revenue to fund the police pension before the CPS and Park District get involved.

5/14/2015 06:03:00 AM  
Blogger SpankDaddy said...

Agreed. Of all those names you mentioned, not one of them give a shit.

CORRECTION---the dead ones are unable to give a shit.

5/14/2015 06:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bobby Hoff retired from CFD. He's now Deputy at Carol Stream, waiting to be Chief. And instrumental in organizing a push to consolidate the DuPage County fire departs into one big district. Probably with himself as chief.

It's funny. Many of the rigs have CFD paint schemes and numbering now. Towns are even running "Cold Boxes" on high rises now.

5/14/2015 06:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps time for cuts in personnel. Cut the number of aldermen in half, 50 to 25. How about privatizing many of the city's services? Ever notice those building engineers in your police station? What do they ever fix? Since they privatized the janitors, the floor actually gets mopped many times a day.

5/14/2015 06:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And, how about ONLY ONE pension. You work for three different governmental bodies = you get to pick only on of those pensions to retire on. Look at Daley, he's making close to 500k on his three pensions!

5/14/2015 06:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't this an ethics violation? I thought that was one of the rules that when you left city employ you couldn't come back for at least 1 or 2 years. Or did that sentence get mysteriously dropped from the "new" handbook?!

5/14/2015 07:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5 reasons chicago is worse off than Detroit

Not good

5/14/2015 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said as usual SCC! Don't forget the Amtrak or crew Dugan and what other bosses are there along with there followers from patrol rank getting another government sized pension? Why not allow a working man woman without the double dip to get these cushy jobs? Pigs get fat hogs go to slaughter as they say!

5/14/2015 08:05:00 AM  
Blogger dc.sunsets said...

"Government isn't supposed to make people rich, and it has made too many of the wrong people rich at the expense of the regular working cop, firefighter, teacher and retiree."


BUT, this is incredibly naive. Over 150 years ago French statesman and philosopher Frederick Bastiat pointed out that (paraphrasing) political government is synonymous with organized crime.

Expecting the political system to reform itself and operate honestly is like expecting Murder, Inc. to give up---well---murder.

The best we could ever hope for would be to see the political sphere shrink. That day is coming, but it will be due to bankruptcy, not improved philosophical purity.

5/14/2015 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

don't leave out Dugan. Head of Amtrak police…. Talk about CUSH!!!

5/14/2015 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares if a guy retires with a pension and gets hired back! If the retires doesn't take the job someone else will and that someone else would be eligible for a pension. Its all a wash. Why doesn't anyone complain about the true double dippers like the alderman in which many are currently getting two city paychecks and have two "full time jobs" . At least the other people are retired.

5/14/2015 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, Fire Chiefs for years have done this. Ray Orozco jr. was Fire Commissioner, retired to become head of OEMC, then finished up as Daley's Chief of Staff. Donnellen retired as a District Chief then became a honcho in the Building Dept., etc. etc. etc..

5/14/2015 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The invisible humor most people miss with regards to the troll, is that she is an incompetent who has been MILKING her System for at least 20+ years, yet has the nerve to call out other people fo doing the same.

5/14/2015 08:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are absolutely right on all points. Sick of this city. Worked at Pershing Road with a unit. Floors of abandoned desks, lockers, computers and copy machines. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror?

5/14/2015 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow, that was the best post ever.

so true

5/14/2015 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a retired PO who works for a small company, and no we do not deal with the city. The whole process is rigged.
Sometimes we, the taxpayers, pay 100% over retail for some items we buy.
I don't have a problem with helping minorities, but lets cap it at 10%.
This alone would save the city millions every year.
Also, how come there are no veterens preferance?

5/14/2015 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THANK YOU! "Government isn't supposed to make people rich." Best line of the election season, which is perpetual these days........

5/14/2015 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said SCC. Now who is supposed to fix this? There are too many corrupt politicians to keep track of.

5/14/2015 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This would all fly if government was legit. The problem the ones that would be able to make these changes would be the ones that would loose out on there crooked money$$$. They all need to be locked up. Every spot in the department above LT is meritorious. Nothing was promised in pension above that. It was all a gift by their taken care of friends. Clout! The Chicago way! If the politicians stopped paying those huge pensions out it wouldn't really be diminished cause they weren't hired as chiefs and commanders and captains. Or at least most weren't.

5/14/2015 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Years ago the building manager for the 25th district needed a motor to fix the HVAC. He call a company and was given a price, he call it into 'downtown. He was told he had to go thru a minority vendor and couldn't buy it out right off the shelve. He went to the vendor received a purchase order and was told it was okay to pick up the part. From where? The company he called in the first place, but now there was an additional $100 added to the price! But at least he went through a minority business. SO why does the City do this again?

5/14/2015 11:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuckin' A right. Expose "merit promotions" for what they really do-rape our pension fund. If Rauner is as big a man as he is a millionaire he'll spearhead legislation in Springfield to cap pensions at the highest rank order promotion. Which means a patrolman's pension to Wysinger, West-Givings, Pena, Escalante, et al. Hey, just for fun-make it retro-active to 1999!

5/14/2015 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After securing their six-figure pensions, Joe gorman and Joe Paterson took their cunning intellect with them from C.P.D. to Amtrak in yet another brain drain. After leaving the curse of CPD followed them. Their new organization is off the tracks, crashing and burning while perpetually infrastructually challenged.

5/14/2015 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember when this guy took over cps?

Phillip Jackson founded The Black Star Project in 1996 and currently serves as the Chairman of the Board and Executive Director. Phillip Jackson has had a diverse career including serving as Senior Vice President of Kroch's & Brentano's; Assistant Budget Director for the City of Chicago; Deputy Chief of Staff, Director of Intergovernmental Affairs, and Chief of Staff of the Chicago Public Schools; Chief Executive Officer for the Chicago Housing Authority; Chief of Education for the City of Chicago; and Founder and Executive Director of The Black Star Project. Throughout these experiences, the theme of his work continues to be providing opportunities for and improving the life quality of others. To read more about Mr. Jackson please see his extended biography: Phillip Jackson: Biography

This guy lasted what a month? He went into some of CPS storage facilities, found many new vehicles, new books,computers, so much equipment he pointed it out to the media and was moved/fired quickly! Any media trolls? Contact Phil at black star project, maybe the Feds need to talk to him!!

5/14/2015 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It boggles the mind why so many more of municipal governments supervisors aren't taking the perp walk through the MCC. You read about so much blatant in your face corruption while so little is done. Its embarassing that CPD cannot initiate investigations of theft, deception and corruption by local agencies. Silly me, the command staffs are annointed by the same politicans that control CPD with an iron fist and the Crook County staes Attorneys office. And lets not connect "the crime family" dots to the Illinois Attorney General. Generally accepted business practices under the watchful eye of a Rckateering and Corrupt Organization doing business as duly elected public office holding officials.

5/14/2015 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Second, I would tax ALL out-of-state pensions 20% for two reasons.

1) They are not re-circulating that money into the economy that paid their pension. They need to spend it in the same place they got it from."

You can't be serious. I earned my pension and there was no such restriction that required me to stay in this corrupt cesspool.

5/14/2015 03:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And what's with the f/1 janitor in 12? Her plate comes back she's suspended, and affiliated with a gang? Why is she working at police station?

5/14/2015 04:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Per SCC: "You come back as a civilian, you defer your pension until you actually retire for good."

Defer your pension? Do you mean the pension that you EARNED and are entitled to 75% of after you put your 29 and a day in? I sincerely hope that I can live at least 20 years beyond retirement and if I choose to go work elsewhere, I sure as hell do not want to diminish my pension earnings by deferring it. Didn't we already get screwed by Rostenkowski with the social security "windfall act?"

I agree that a person should receive only ONE government pension, I do not agree that a person should diminish their earnings by deferring them regardless of who their next employer is. That 75% pension is comfortable now but when it doesn't keep up with the cost of inflation or increasing medical costs, there is likely to be a majority of us seeking another job.

Maybe Pam should investigate the bloated salaries and bonuses in other industries that taxpayers bailed out in the not so distant past rather than target retirees who want or need to continue working. Let's pass another unconstitutional law to remedy this. Diminish it, any way they can, and be sure, they will try. It just surprises me that SCC thinks it's a good idea.

5/14/2015 05:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC: here is a question for your readers to look into....Just who was GWS, the company that received $30 million or so, to manage the school closings. What exactly did they do? How are those schools doing now? Enquiring minds want to know what many of us already do.

5/14/2015 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CTA is the new retirement honey hole for retired CFD chiefs. They have created a CFD/CTA Liaison spot for the few clouted ones. Bybee, O'Connell and Kennedy (all at least 3 bugle chiefs) all are making at least $120K plus their pensions to be go-betweens with take home cars.

Why can't these guys just take their off and enjoy retirement?

5/14/2015 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The City is broke because its been run by Communist thief Politicians for over half a century. No other reason

5/14/2015 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago Police and Fire Pensions paid at Civil Service Rank only. Clout promotions were bought with Pay to Play kickback dollars. No Gold Braid or Commander Pensions. No more than one City pension per immediate family. No Aldermanic Pensions, and Term Limits of 4 yrs with 8 yr max

5/14/2015 07:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Post great comments!

This is the biggest Banana Republic.

"Mafia" laden, corrupt, and no accountability

5/14/2015 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Who cares if a guy retires with a pension and gets hired back! If the retires doesn't take the job someone else will and that someone else would be eligible for a pension. Its all a wash. Why doesn't anyone complain about the true double dippers like the alderman in which many are currently getting two city paychecks and have two "full time jobs" . At least the other people are retired.

5/14/2015 08:27:00 AM"

It's a double dip you f'ng Moron. GFY

5/14/2015 11:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the money exempt receive for pension is a drop in the bucket really. Ending it will do nothing for our pension. Besides FOP will never negotiate the gold braid out because they benefit from it.
Actually hiring retired police for City positions saves tax dollars because there is no second pension, unlike County, State or other Police Dept Chiefs.

5/14/2015 11:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Ald. I.B. Grafter Gladhander said...

You can't be serious. I earned my pension and there was no such restriction that required me to stay in this corrupt cesspool.

5/14/2015 03:52:00 PM
Times change.

When you use "cost-of-living" as an accelerator for bigger pay and benefits, it can be used against you when you move into a cheaper state. Why do you need so much?

No one says you have to stay, you just have to pay.

This will be a great revenue tool to fix the shortfall. Do you want to know why? You can't vote here now.

Pay up.

5/15/2015 01:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The same for the "disabled" drawing from the pension, tax free, able to move out of state and can work any full time job or run their own business, ridiculous!!!!
They need to work in the inside positions and put the permanent office workers out on the street.

5/15/2015 01:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Year after YEAR made police reports for LOST LAPTOPS, COPY MACHINES, PROJECTORS FUCKING REALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY in the thousands but NEVER a word.......... the best part was when they showed me the bill a dell laptop $800.00 wow best buy had it for half the price fucking thieves stop crying you are surrounded by THIEVES.............

5/15/2015 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are still paying for Ritchie's reign.

5/15/2015 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Second, I would tax ALL out-of-state pensions 20% for two reasons.he

1) They are not re-circulating that money into the economy that paid their pension. They need to spend it in the same place they got it....

You are an Idiot.....GFY and the horse you rode in on

5/15/2015 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shear isn't the only double dipper in his own office. He has a District Administrative Manager (a retired patrolman), who was curiously the only one who didn't get laid off when those positions were eliminated, whose sole duties involve answering the phone for Shear and fetching his lunch. This guy gets paid a nice civilian salary for performing the duties of a cabana boy. Am I right about that, Tony C.?

5/15/2015 02:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lil Tommy Byrne is closing in on nearly 2 million USC from his post CPD jobssssss !!!!.

After the park district head, what new head will he be of.

Must be nice knocking down 350 K a year PLUS !!!!!

Personality is a zero and he hates men over 5' 5".

5/15/2015 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about firing these idiot CPS principals where this money got stolen from? Why do they still have a job? Why do they get a pass? Maybe, CPS needs Ace Rothstein to fire them like he did the local yocal who got fired in the movie Casino?

5/15/2015 09:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since these people who retire today and are rehired tomorrow aren't sworn or pensionable, that means we've lost the pension contribution from that worker and the pension 'match' from the City. So, it's a lose-lose for our pension fund.

5/15/2015 09:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/15/2015 12:57:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
"Second, I would tax ALL out-of-state pensions 20% for two reasons.he

1) They are not re-circulating that money into the economy that paid their pension. They need to spend it in the same place they got it....

You are an Idiot.....GFY and the horse you rode in on

5/15/2015 01:30:00 PM

and co-signed...

5/15/2015 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone would double dip If they could just to keep up with all the taxes you have to pay in this city,county and state that support the democratic voters who are able-bodied but refuse to work.

5/16/2015 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Ald. I.B. Grafter Gladhander said...

Anonymous said...
"Second, I would tax ALL out-of-state pensions 20% for two reasons.he

1) They are not re-circulating that money into the economy that paid their pension. They need to spend it in the same place they got it....

You are an Idiot.....GFY and the horse you rode in on

5/15/2015 01:30:00 PM

NO. The man is BRILLIANT.

We can tax those out-of-state pensions and not worry about losing any votes.

That is sheer genius!! Why didn't I think of that????

5/16/2015 02:50:00 AM  
Anonymous CrookCountyJustice said...

Usually agree but disagree on this. If I bust my balls and earn a pension and want to collect it while working a different gig, outside of the PD where I earned it, there should be no issue. Gotta pay pension anyway, gotta pay someone to do the other job anyway, there is no loss to anyone, same money going out.

5/16/2015 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It never ceases to amaze me how jealousy overtakes people. We have to assume everyone of the haters here would say no to a merit promotion and no if offered a job after retiring. To all of those folks, get over yourselves and stop criticizing and play the game and these opportunities will come your way. Hate consumes a person to the point everything else suffers. Do your job, make friends, and go home to your families safe and sound. Don't waste your time complaining about things you have no control of. God Bless all of you and always keep each other's back. Stop the envy, jealousy and hatred. In the end all we have is each other.

5/17/2015 06:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Couldn't payme to live in chi said...

Curious, does the agreement said double dipper singed 29 1/2 years ago state that they collect the pension only after they stop,working, or after they stop working from the police force? I suspect the later, if anything is actually written in this regard. In the army, you do 20.(or more) and you can retire and collect retirement pay, regardless of,whether you continue working or not.

Quit bitching about people who are doing what they perhaps planned out many moons ago.

What the hell do you care if they get their pension benefit and still work in a job they are qualified for? The only thing that needs changed is to not allow people collecting a retirement benefit to earn retirement benefits while in another position.

Yeesh, there is a lot of corruption to clean up in the second city cesspool, this really isn't one of them.

5/17/2015 09:38:00 AM  

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