Get the Checkbook Ready Toni
- Police are investigating the death of a 49-year-old woman found early Tuesday in the Lawndale neighborhood on the city's West Side.
About 2:30 a.m. Tuesday, police responded to a call in the 4300 block of West Flournoy Street where they found the woman unresponsive inside a third-floor unit of an apartment building, said Officer Hector Alfaro, a Chicago Police Department spokesman. She was pronounced dead.
The woman was identified as Vanessa V. Taylor of the same address where she was found dead, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.
Police did not immediately say how the woman died but said it was a homicide. Early Tuesday, a person was being questioned in the woman's death, and police said the incident appeared domestic-related.
Cut and dry domestic related homicide, right? Wrong - and wrong very badly:
- SCC,
I work in 011 and on 28 June, the third watch had a call of a Mental fighting everyone in the house at 4311 W. Flournoy. The subject barricaded himself in the house, armed himself with a sword and numerous knives, cut the gas line in the house and threatened to blow everything up. Coppers made entry with a family member's keys, tasered the guy and took him to County for a 72-hour hold for mental evaluation. Everything was done properly under RD# HY-319903.
End of story?
No. County doctors released him in direct violation of the 72-hour commitment law. 30 June at 0230 hours, 011 District personnel got a well being check at 4311 W. Flournoy. They arrived, made entry through an unlocked door and found the subject, again armed with knives menacing the police. He was tasered again and taken into custody. A search of the house located his girlfriend, strangled to death with an extension cord under RD# HY-321511. Chalk up a completely preventable homicide to the fine doctors at Stroger who can't be bothered to obey the law that mandates a 72-hour hold and treat the mentally ill we deal with on a daily basis!
It appears the cops did everything correctly, but County hospital doctors released this offender in under 48 hours and a woman previously threatened paid for their negligence with her life. Of course, taxpayers are going to foot the bill due to these incompetent doctors who probably won't even get a slap on the wrist, let alone the surrender of their licenses that ought to be in the offing.
Any capable reporters want to FOIA these reports? The police actually look good and the County doctors look bad, so probably not.
UPDATE: Under 40 hours if the times are correct.
Any capable reporters want to FOIA these reports? The police actually look good and the County doctors look bad, so probably not.
UPDATE: Under 40 hours if the times are correct.
Labels: county, un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:31 AM
59 Comments:
That tax is gonna have to go up even more now, huh Toni?
Guess that's the last we'll be hearing about this story from the media.
I have little doubt that somehow the lawyers will find a hook to bring the police into the litigation.
Does anyone in Chicago want the criminals locked up?
Do the State's Attorneys?
Do the Judges?
Even the Doctors are releasing them.
If he was not injured by the taser he should have been arrested and processed-not merely driven to Stroger as if acting deranged is some sort of "get out of jail free" pass. I see this too often probably since it saves coppers, possessed of little industry, from expending the energy to make the arrest. He should have been charged, and hospitaized afterward. The onus is therefore placed on the court. To be sure, the doctors will be smart enough to state the subject did not present with the bizarre behavior as alleged by the police. After all, who believes the police! And guess who will get screwed, again?
If true, the Doctor(s) should be held responsible.
Maybe if they do go to jail or get their license suspended, more will "wake up".
NOT a good story to read. Incompetence = everyone loses.
Next case.
Thankyou so much for getting Densey's story out. Now we hope, wait & pray till Jul8 court date. Thanks to all who have e-mailed me, truly warmed my heart that they care about my son. One thing I need to clear up/ The statement that I made regarding me notifying FOP, COF, Chairman Burke & Police Memorial. I merely called Phil to let him know about Densey's situation & the fact that no one was stepping up to assist him. That is not the Police Memorials obligation. They have helped so many including Densey's 2 daughters the oldest who will be starting her 1st year of college thanks to them. They have been nothing but helpful, caring generous individuals who we will never forget.So if I offended anyone with the that statement yesterday I am terribly sorry. Again many thanks to all, now we wit, hope & pray that on July 8 they will come to solution that helps Densey. I will let you know. Respectfully, Louise Cole
The 72 hour hold is not written in stone. Let's not jump the gun here and Monday morning quarterback. There are many subjective factors involved in determining whether to keep someone for the full 72 hours or to let them go early. If the doctors can make a reasonable claim via medical notes, doctors discussions, the medicine they gave him, etc. then they are covered. A human life was lost but that is beyond their control. Our nation's health care and especially mental health care is under severe strain. The doctors did their job with the resources, knowledge and staff they have at on hand. They simply can not keep up with the demand.
"Man accused of strangling woman with computer chord in Lawndale" - Chicago Tribune. Obviously a crime of some note. I'll stop here.
Off Topic
The FBI has canceled all vacations for agents over the 4th of July weekend.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/06/breaking-fbi-fbi-cancels-all-vacations-for-agents-over-4th-of-july-weekend/#ixzz3ejci6sLA
"According to our inside source — FBI agents are telling their friends and family members to avoid “official celebrations".”
This guy gets it wrong sometimes, but someone should be able to call an acquaintance in the FBI and confirm it?
OT --
Free-fire zone on the Ike again...sniping at the elderly and disabled now as they pass the Independence Avenue DrugFest. (TM)
1 passenger hurt when someone fires BB or pellet gun at Pace bus
"One person was injured when someone fired a BB or pellet gun at a Pace special needs bus on the Eisenhower Expressway.
"The incident happened shortly before 11 p.m. Wednesday in the eastbound lanes of Interstate 290 near Independence Boulevard on the West Side, state police said.
"The bus was carrying four or five passengers at the time, police said.
"The shots broke a window on the bus, and the glass injured one of the passengers who was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital, state police said."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-police-investigate-shooting-on-eisenhower-expressway-20150702-story.html
That is what you would call a huge OOPS!
It may be procedure, but having CPD drop off nut jobs at the hospital is not the way to solve the problem. A hospital cannot hold anyone more than 72 hours without a court order. The only way to get a court order is to charge the offender and run him/her through the legal system. Even a marginally competent Public Defender can get a mental health evaluation. Only then can someone be held longer than the 72 hour time period.
Advocates will say that the mentally ill don't deserve to be locked up, and there's been a lot of bitching about using the county lockup as a mental ward, but the current system is just a revolving door that doesn't help the sick, or enhance public safety.
County doctors released him in direct violation of the 72-hour commitment law.
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That is a bit of a misrepresentation. There is no requirement that such a person be held for the entire 72 hours that is allowed by law. The 72 hours is to give the hospital time to evaluate him. They evaluated him and determined he was not as crazy as he is required to be to go for some kind of longer term commitment.
Even had they kept him the full 72 hours, he would have been just as crazy when they released him the next day had they kept him for the full 72 hours. The murder would have just happened a day later.
They might have made a mistake about his mental condition, but that has nothing to do with not holding onto him for another day.
There is no law mandating a 72 hour hold for mentally ill patients.
A person who is a danger CAN BE involuntarily committed for up to 72 hours for an evaluation without a hearing. The doctors are no more responsible for this murder than the police.
Nothing to see here, move along. Just think of the outcry if these coppers would have shot and killed mental?!?
The Mental Health Asylums have long been shuttered and were house of horrors at times, but they kept people who mentally cannot swim in normal society from drowning themselves and others. Now they roam amongst us and end up arrested,hurting innocent people or dead.
What do politicians sY , too many people of color in jail ?
Judge gives squatters in Beverly an I Bond , wtf?
All the money and resources wasted to get charges placed and an I bond .
The same thing happened to me some years back at a northside hospital. Nothing new here. The hospitals and doctors do what they want and never have to face the consequences. Mentals are left alone in the hallways all of the time and they just get up and leave. Then the police are called to make out a missing report. Nothing new here.
If records can be checked, it will be learned that doctors kill more people annually than all homicides which are reported.
Cook county is broke? They just spent 14.5 million to buy a "horse farm" in Barrington hills for the "peeps" to go and bar b que! Who made out on that deal?
I'll this opportunity to suggest that POs sign up for, take and get certified in CIT. it is some of the best I've ever had . every street copper deals with the mentally ill just about daily.
We did it right in this case, you're right--get the checkbook out
If the doctors followed the law, then the killer probably would have killed his victim 32 hours later. Big difference? Was the victim packing her bags to move away from the house?
Bubblehead did the same when he released the mental from the 2nd Dist Lock-up and the Robert Taylor Savages wanted to see if she could fly. What happened to him a promotion, so save the shock & outrage
i worked the wagon last couple of years, took a lot of mentals to the hospital for psych evals, it is not MANDATORY to hold them the 72 hours, that is up to the dr and the eval, i have taken mentals in the morning and seen them back out on the corner before the end of my shirt, fyi....
01:27:00 AM Are you a lawyer laying the for a lawsuit against the Police Dept.
Not a LEO health care facility security and a lot of the "mental"patients we see aren't really mentally ill but sociopaths with no impulse control, criminal dirtbags who know how to game the system. Personally, I'm all for bringing back lobotomys. Stay safe out there officers.
They do this shit all the fucken time, and nothing is ever done to anyone involved.
At 859am, I'm shocked that you're shocked. I just drove past the house the other night so it's not because I'm too distant or have no interest etc. With all the low bonds for uuw and violent acts I'm not concerned with squatters having an i bond. And the article screwed me up and had me dream everyone of them was asleep in Douglas Park from end to end and I was trying to walk through without stepping on them. It was close to a nightmare.
Not Monday morning quarterbacking but the use of the taser would mean the subject was an active resister and there fore should have been arrested and then transported to hospital for mental evaluation. After which a mutants should have been completed to keep him or at the very least a misd arrest and since it was a domestic related incident he would/should not be allowed to return within 48 hours. I know... He's a mental and probably wouldn't adhere to that but there were steps that were not taken by both sides.
"Man accused of strangling woman with computer chord in Lawndale" - Chicago Tribune. Obviously a crime of some note. I'll stop here.
7/02/2015 06:48:00 AM
A musical one at that.
It's actually a 72 hour release. The "state" must release the individual within 72 hours if it does not seek legal remedy for further involuntary treatment.
Realistically allbeit unfortunately,
the powers that be will see to it
that the responding officers are
made to wear the shit-shirt on
this one.
There will be no way in hell the
docs, the hospital or even
Ol' Sir-Ma'am itself will be held
liable for this tragedy.
We will say this though...
The victim is ultimately responsible
for her OWN well being and self-preservation.
Period.
Full Stop.
Over our time Policing these wild m/fers in the garden spots
of this city, we've seen too often where a Bee-Ay-Dee m/fer
is removed from a premise by the Police only to make like a
malignant homing pigeon and make his way back and HARM
the victim(s) who made no effort to put some air between
themselves and an unhinged asshole with a demonstrated
inability to reason and self-soothe on top of being wholly lacking
in impulse control.
Repeated manifestation of this behavior concentrated within a
demographic over an extended period of time SURELY qualifies as a pathology.
Oui?
Non?
"The Police are the problem!"
>Pfffft!<
The rest of society is free to run away from this ugly shit while
doing a frantic pantomime as they run past The Police...
"UUH-WAAHH! They're in THAT HOUSE!
Do SOMETHIIINNG!"
Heh...
No real need to ask which house.
One of three things:
1. Multiples of gunshots and people jumping out of 2nd/3rd floor
windows or being chased out and being shot to pieces at the same time.
2. The joint is fully engulfed in flames and all you can do is nothing while
people are burning to skeletons because all the burglar gates are locked.
3. That dreaded "Check The Well Being - Front and Back Doors Wide
(The Fuck) Open - Recent History of Domestic Batteries/Man With A Gun Calls
Shit-Ton of RD#s...
That last one...
Eerie quiet when you're listening for "something" at the doorway
when all you hear is your own heartbeat pounding in your head.
But you CAN smell the blood, shit and fear waifting from inside.
Yeah.
The Police WILL be at fault.
Maybe we should be mandated to care more...
That'll fix everything.
This offender is not crazy...he might even be considered intelligent. Get declared a mental...then murder. Go to trial....claim you are crazy and have a hospitalization for being said mental to back it up. Not guilty verdict. Free to repeat the cycle.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'll this opportunity to suggest that POs sign up for, take and get certified in CIT. it is some of the best I've ever had . every street copper deals with the mentally ill just about daily.
We did it right in this case, you're right--get the checkbook out
7/02/2015 09:09:00 AM
CIT, another job foisted on the police because they closed all mental health clinics and most hospitals and existing hospitals don't even follow the 72 hour law. But if you don't follow the rules, whoa Nellie! Get your lawyer ready! I took that training but wish I didn't. Just more responsibility thrown to the police, trying to cram several years of training into 40 hours at the Police Academy. That's 40 hours not counting the customary early duck, long lunches and half day on friday. Typical CPD crappy ass training. You need to get certified as an RN to have a real understanding of the subject matter. That's 4 years of training, not 40 hours.
7/02/2015 06:48:00 AM
Yeah? Better give it a rest before you get into some treble.
http://www.gofundme.com/ybjh64
In the burbs, the county lock up won't touch a guy like that. They want him to have a discharge with his paper work. So that puts a strain on manpower to babysit the loon. The hospitals out here spit the psych evals out in 3 hours.
The 72 hour rule is definitely not mandatory. Most are released in a day or two. We have had hbt incidents many times at the same address with the same person 24 hours later. Deputy chief usually blows a lid and says arrest him/her this time so we don't come back for a 3rd time.
Anonymous titus pullo. said...
Not a LEO health care facility security and a lot of the "mental"patients we see aren't really mentally ill but sociopaths with no impulse control, criminal dirtbags who know how to game the system. Personally, I'm all for bringing back lobotomys. Stay safe out there officers.
7/02/2015 12:03:00 PM
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. Bennet Cerf?
Not Monday morning quarterbacking but the use of the taser would mean the subject was an active resister and there fore should have been arrested and then transported to hospital for mental evaluation. After which a mutants should have been completed to keep him or at the very least a misd arrest and since it was a domestic related incident he would/should not be allowed to return within 48 hours. I know... He's a mental and probably wouldn't adhere to that but there were steps that were not taken by both sides.
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Doesn't matter what you charge him with, once he goes in the rubber room for "observation," you can't be with him - no guns in the psych wards. No prints, no photos, no guard detail and then no Mittimus. Therefore, you have to hope the hospital notifies you when he is being released so you can arrest him as he gets signed out---and I can tell you, the liberal types working the discharge desk aren't going to notify the police to come get the offender 99 times out of 100---100 out of 100 at County
This kind of thing is nothing new. How many times have you pointed out on this blog about criminals shoootin, killing or hurting someone when they should be in jail on some other previous crime? Judges are not following the law in regards to mandatory/minimum sentencing and criminals are being released prematurely.
This kind of thing is nothing new. How many times have you pointed out on this blog about criminals shoootin, killing or hurting someone when they should be in jail on some other previous crime? Judges are not following the law in regards to mandatory/minimum sentencing and criminals are being released prematurely.
Finally, officers and others acknowledging the incompentancy of mental healthcare providers. A lot of time, they will say the mental stopped taking his/her meds, when in fact, the care provider did not fill their prescription or gave them meds that were not working or causing such sever side effects they were not able to continue taking it. Can the doctors in this case get sued? And what of the movement to replace the funding cut from these mental health care providers? It is easily seen now that they were not and are not doing their jobs correctly so why do they need more funding?
Nothing wrong here move along just another day in cook county chiraq.
Why are more people upset about uniforms standards than them not telling us our hours for this weekend? More of you need to be pissed!
Who says Policemen don't get any comic relief?
-Bay Area news crew robbed on camera while reporting
on homicide-
...Camera-man pistol-whipped.
...Reporter pleads for gunman not to shoot.
...Camera and other equipment taken.
Hey! You wild-assed m/fers!
You pistol-whip the newsie, not the camera-man!
Oh well...
Just another report.
It s kinda like how detectives hold someone for 24 hours but in reality it is closer to 12 to much liability.
SCC,
Channel 2 is going to run a great news story about CPD SWAT and how their equipment is horrendous compared to other major cities. The Dept of Homeland Security has offered to buy CPD SWAT Equipment. The city's response, "No." Why? Because they don't like to play nice with Homeland Security. I wonder if the Supt knows this. CPD SWAT has some of the worst equipment in the country. No take home cars to respond to terrorist events. Certain exempt suck wads are going to be featured. The characters are, Chief of Staff, Jim "Alzheimer" Roussell. Chief of Patrol, Wayne "the Mustache" Guiliford. Deputy of Patrol, Steve Georges "the Greek Goat" and finally Commander of SWAT, Linda the "Wall Flower" Flores.
Anonymous said...
Who says Policemen don't get any comic relief?
-Bay Area news crew robbed on camera while reporting
on homicide-
...Camera-man pistol-whipped.
...Reporter pleads for gunman not to shoot.
...Camera and other equipment taken.
Hey! You wild-assed m/fers!
You pistol-whip the newsie, not the camera-man!
Oh well...
Just another report.
7/02/2015 09:50:00 PM
I just saw that. The crazy part was when she is almost trying to remain professional and camera friendly. She starts running out of nowhere...and then she says "Hold on, we have an incident"...lady you guys are being robbed, it's okay to let your hair down. Even weirder was that this is like the 3rd incident;
I know a excellent attorney who specializes in suing hospitals !!!!!
In the suburbs, we might deal with the same psych transport 3 or 4 times in one weekend.
Hospitals are very clear on their intentions with loonies. It's obviously not a law, because that 72 hour thing is almost non-existent out in God's country.
I agree with the guy who said that many of these offenders aren't really mental, they just simply have no impulse control, no value for life, including their own and no fear of punishment or discipline. There are no checks and balances, no concept of normal societal behavior and no expectations for responsibility or accountability.
We deal quite a bit with some who are truly mental and the levels of instability vary greatly. We get everything from the blubbering idiot to the ones that often-times have no concept of human existence. There were far less incidents when there were State operated institutions and people with varying degrees of mental illness were housed and actually treated. Yes- I agree some of those institutions, know as anything from asylums to hospitals to residences etc., were in some instances hell holes or at the very least unsavory but they served a very significant purpose. Those institutions kept the mentally unstable safe and secure, and provided them some semblance of treatment that they now do not get. They were treated and forced to take the medication they need to function at their fullest capability no matter at what level that was. They were divided into appropriate sections with everything from criminally insane lockdown blocks to hospital rooms for transitional treatment. They also served a very important service and that was to keep the rest of society safe from the actions, antics and atrocities of the mentally ill. But now, in the name of political corruption, financial mismanagement, profiteering and patronage those centers and institutions were closed and society was left to suffer. The mentally ill suffer greatly, and the rest of us suffer equally as the people who should be evaluated, diagnosed, medicated, committed, housed and/or indefinitely locked down walk among us preying on and reaping everyone and everything their feeble minds think they should.
SCC,
Channel 2 is going to run a great news story about CPD SWAT and how their equipment is horrendous compared to other major cities. The Dept of Homeland Security has offered to buy CPD SWAT Equipment. The city's response, "No." Why? Because they don't like to play nice with Homeland Security. I wonder if the Supt knows this. CPD SWAT has some of the worst equipment in the country. No take home cars to respond to terrorist events. Certain exempt suck wads are going to be featured. The characters are, Chief of Staff, Jim "Alzheimer" Roussell. Chief of Patrol, Wayne "the Mustache" Guiliford. Deputy of Patrol, Steve Georges "the Greek Goat" and finally Commander of SWAT, Linda the "Wall Flower" Flores.
To SWAT:
What did you expect from an unprofessional police department like CPD. The above clowns don't care about you or the city. They care about their rank and how many money they are going to make. Every one of them was never the real police. The same thing happened when we were HBT. The only difference is you guys are called SWAT and have green uniforms. We had the same problems in the 90s. HBT was always about 20 years behind other SWAT teams. Your best bet is too leave and go to a district. The suburbs make fun of CPD SWAT.
OT : Thank you Mrs Cole for clarifying the Police Memorial's role with Densey's legal problems. I donate to this group on a regular basis & am glad that they are helping. There still has been no response from the city or Ald Burke - guess they're hoping the holiday will help people forget. Rest assured - there are some of us who won't forget and I know that SCC is going to remember as well. Please keep us posted
God bless you and your family.
Channel 2 is going to run a great news story about CPD SWAT and how their equipment is horrendous compared to other major cities. The Dept of Homeland Security has offered to buy CPD SWAT Equipment. The city's response, "No." Why? Because they don't like to play nice with Homeland Security. I wonder if the Supt knows this. CPD SWAT has some of the worst equipment in the country. No take home cars to respond to terrorist events. Certain exempt suck wads are going to be featured. The characters are, Chief of Staff, Jim "Alzheimer" Roussell. Chief of Patrol, Wayne "the Mustache" Guiliford. Deputy of Patrol, Steve Georges "the Greek Goat" and finally Commander of SWAT, Linda the "Wall Flower" Flores.
The above post is the reason why SWAT has filed a lawsuit against the city.
"Who says Policemen don't get any comic relief?
-Bay Area news crew robbed on camera while reporting
on homicide-
...Camera-man pistol-whipped.
...Reporter pleads for gunman not to shoot.
...Camera and other equipment taken.
Hey! You wild-assed m/fers!
You pistol-whip the newsie, not the camera-man!
Oh well...
Just another report."
7/02/2015 09:50:00 PM
Yo, uh, we're transferring your desperate call for help to 311...
"It be 'ministrative."
>shifts tight underwear in 7-way adjustable climate-controlled seat, rolls eyes at ceiling tiles, continues eating with free hand<
Would this be called "chickens coming home to roost?"
"Channel 2 is going to run a great news story about CPD SWAT and how their equipment is horrendous compared to other major cities. The Dept of Homeland Security has offered to buy CPD SWAT Equipment."
7/03/2015 11:37:00 PM
Wha? In the face of the Obamaministration's policy of deFergusonizing "overmilitarized and intimidating racist police?"
This I gotta see.
Don't say peeps.
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