Regarding The Mass Suspension
Some sound advice in the comment section yesterday:
- If they give us access to the reports then that report should be able to be viewed by police officers. So you're saying it was wrong to look at an approved police report then why should we even take police reports from anyone in the first place. If they can prove you disseminated the report then that is a rule violation but an arbitrator with even a half of brain and drunk will rule on the side of the officers involved. There is no rule violation or department directive that prohibits looking at a database that is available to everyone citywide. Is a loser for the department and they know it.
Pretty much can't argue with it. If you disseminated information and you aren't part of Media Affairs with the approval of the Superintendent or his designee, then you're in violation and if caught, are going to get tagged.
In the meantime, anyone receiving a suspension notice should appeal it at the earliest opportunity. Looking at a case report isn't a Rule Violation, and there is a mechanism in place to restrict access to who can view a report. If the Department didn't click the box, that's their fault, but we remember a time that reading reports was encouraged. We'd see coppers (and spent time ourselves) looking through the basket before the tour, during the tour, and after some nights looking for a quick arrest. It was simply good police work and it was taught to us by good cops.
If these suspensions are true (and some are claiming they are up to 400 in number), then make the Department follow their own rules. If this was a CR, you get to answer allegations. If it was a SPAR, make them follow the SPAR table - that means a reprimand if you don't have a previously sustained beef. No one should be signing off on these just based on who read a case report. That's ridiculous and the FOP should fight this tooth-and-nail.
It's certainly ironic that at a time the citizens and various aldercreatures are demanding more police on the beat, the Department would remove a minimum of 1,700 to 3,400 man-hours from the streets.
In the meantime, anyone receiving a suspension notice should appeal it at the earliest opportunity. Looking at a case report isn't a Rule Violation, and there is a mechanism in place to restrict access to who can view a report. If the Department didn't click the box, that's their fault, but we remember a time that reading reports was encouraged. We'd see coppers (and spent time ourselves) looking through the basket before the tour, during the tour, and after some nights looking for a quick arrest. It was simply good police work and it was taught to us by good cops.
If these suspensions are true (and some are claiming they are up to 400 in number), then make the Department follow their own rules. If this was a CR, you get to answer allegations. If it was a SPAR, make them follow the SPAR table - that means a reprimand if you don't have a previously sustained beef. No one should be signing off on these just based on who read a case report. That's ridiculous and the FOP should fight this tooth-and-nail.
It's certainly ironic that at a time the citizens and various aldercreatures are demanding more police on the beat, the Department would remove a minimum of 1,700 to 3,400 man-hours from the streets.
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posted by SCC at 12:21 AM
56 Comments:
Without going into details, I had occasion to restrict a report once, as the parties involved were both sworn and the details were salacious. It was done efficiently, by clicking one box in CHRIS and listing the star numbers of those who were allowed to view it.
The process took about a minute.
If someone wanted those reports restricted, they should have gone into the system and restricted them. If they failed to do so, the responsibility lies with them, not with the officers who read the reports.
Trust your own Police Officers. We have an implied level of Security Clearance that should be honored. Ferret out anyone passing info but don't blanket punish Officers who had an expected level of Clearance to view any report they choose. Even the Feds have different levels of Clearance and if something is above an Officer's pay grade to view then restrict it on it's face.
The FOP should fight this tooth-and-nail...........???
Fight something? Whoa...you don't want to mess up that merit promotion down the road.
FOP is toothless.
A wise old Chinaman once said; "The truth shall set you free". He was right.
Deano isn't going to fight this at all...Lol..He is Rahm's Bitch..."Dean,don't do or say anything,or the Feds are going to be looking at your Disability Scam with a very jaundiced eye"...
The question is do the suspensions apply to everyone? Word is scores of bosses also looked up the report.
To me, the most insulting thing is they label it 'conduct unbecoming'. It's demeaning and demoralizing and wrong.
Sorry ppl, the city can do whatever they want. Enjoy some time with the family.
and, no, the FOP will not ride to your rescue.
Nice try. However, we all know the copper who has absolutely no reason to look into most heater cases does so in order to run to the bar or his girlfriend's bed and be the guy "in the know". Proving this dissemination is next to impossible, so the dept. is wasting it's time again. If you don't want a report looked at, don't put it up.
Seriously? That would be a fireable offense? Good Lord. I think McStupe has lost his friggin' mind.
I heard he's still after anyone who leaked info to Chicago Mag when they did their stories. What ever happened to that investigation? Its been a couple of years.
my blinders are now on entire tour of duty!
We need ministers in 016 to follow the guidelines of their brother preachers in the ghetto. Demand that police service and manpower remain at full strength up here. Those reverends on the southside and westside know how to work the system in their favor..
I call bullshit on this
Rahm' s little feelings were hurt.
If you read these reports, you will be turned to stone. Isn't this in the Bible someplace?
I have a better idea: just answer your jobs & back up your fellow officers. Nothing less and nothing more.
I don't get it. What secret information was there in the report? Most of the details were broadcasted over the air, released by News Affairs and the M.E.'s Office.
Another way to improve morale, it will work killings will decrease because winter is coming, and the main criminals and thugs don't like cold weather!
It is a violation of department policy for any member not directly involved in an investigation to review investigatory documents. The nature of an investigation is that there should be a level of professionalism during an open investigation to prevent hampering it. If you are not involved you are jeopardizing an investigation by reviewing an unredacted report. The public gets a redacted report you do not. You by reviewing the report have at the minimum committed the violation of impeding or interfering with department goals and objectives. As we all know we have mental midgets who posts information on social media that they should not, some even call media directly to leak info. Those who took a day should be happy it is not more. I doubt a challenge to this discipline will be successful, it is certainly merited. The current state of the department being what it is most will certainly disagree.
The message the department is sending you is that they don't want you do shit. Yet most of you will still go out there and be pro active. You are no better than the prostitute who keeps getting abused by her pimp. You cry about how bad it is but you still go back to the pimp and do exactly as the pimp wishes. Cause you are afraid of losing your beat car!
McLockedUpInJersey really messed this up big time,,,,Contact aside, the dept's own regs prohibit this
Is this why Rivera retired?
Just axin
Addressing a mosquito with a sledgehammer
My motto has always been: "for every one (day, CU hour) they take from me, I promise a three-fold return".
Still going to recommend a day after I appeal and grieve it because my boots have salt stains in the middle of February or I forgot to shave after being in the hospital with a sick family member all day? No problem, I got that faded.
I don't get mad and I don't get even - I get better than even. I get 3-to-1 odds. Every time. This is one instance where the "House" doesn't always win, nor will it ever if you know how to play the game.
So fight the day they're trying to give you. And in the event you don't win your grievance? Well, I think you know what to do.
Years ago the tac teams would look at the reports in the basket and pull anything that looked interesting (potential CB number) for a few days preventing the detectives and others from seeing that information. The good old days.
It's a winner.
They already restrict various things electronically based on rank and position.
Grieve/sue, slam dunk win.
"It's certainly ironic that at a time the citizens and various aldercreatures are demanding more police on the beat, the Department would remove a minimum of 1,700 to 3,400 man-hours from the streets."
Hmmmm, let's see what Mr. Calculator says about those numbers. At 1700 man hours that comes out to $51,000 dollars, if you average a cops salary at $30 an hour. At 3400 man hours that comes out to $102,000. Maybe this is all about money and nothing more.
I don't get mad and I don't get even - I get better than even. I get 3-to-1 odds. Every time. This is one instance where the "House" doesn't always win, nor will it ever if you know how to play the game.
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Every single person who takes a day should do this. Maybe not next week, or next month, but sometime.
And just let them try to fire 400 people with no disciplinary record over this b.s.
It is a violation of department policy for any member not directly involved in an investigation to review investigatory documents. The nature of an investigation is that there should be a level of professionalism during an open investigation to prevent hampering it. If you are not involved you are jeopardizing an investigation by reviewing an unredacted report. The public gets a redacted report you do not. You by reviewing the report have at the minimum committed the violation of impeding or interfering with department goals and objectives. As we all know we have mental midgets who posts information on social media that they should not, some even call media directly to leak info. Those who took a day should be happy it is not more. I doubt a challenge to this discipline will be successful, it is certainly merited. The current state of the department being what it is most will certainly disagree.
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Please cite that department policy.
Best of all the supervisors in my district have been directed by the XO, presumably on behalf of the District Commander, to forward by email all major incident notifications to the office of the affected alderman! Thats right, sensitive information relative to the identities of the victim(s), possible offenders and sensitive details regarding Homicides, Aggravated Batteries-Handguns or other firearms (Fuck you McCarthy), Criminal Sexual Assaults, etc. Thank goodness we have no alderman who have convicted felons on their office staffs or in their households! Don't believe me? I'll forward the request to SCC.
Anonymous said...
It is a violation of department policy for any member not directly involved in an investigation to review investigatory documents. The nature of an investigation is that there should be a level of professionalism during an open investigation to prevent hampering it. If you are not involved you are jeopardizing an investigation by reviewing an unredacted report. The public gets a redacted report you do not. You by reviewing the report have at the minimum committed the violation of impeding or interfering with department goals and objectives. As we all know we have mental midgets who posts information on social media that they should not, some even call media directly to leak info. Those who took a day should be happy it is not more. I doubt a challenge to this discipline will be successful, it is certainly merited. The current state of the department being what it is most will certainly disagree.
10/06/2015 08:13:00 AM
You're full of shit. The only report a PO or supervisor not in the "D" could examine in CHRIS was a GOCR, or MINS if not checked "confidential". A dicks supp can only be viewed in CHRIS by someone in the "D" or with similar "permissions". Every policeman on this department has every right to view any case report unless access is restricted. This report was not.
time is now to deduct all medical time used from pension , just like a suspension .
Let these slackers stay on a few years longer .
More work ok boss! How scared is the "Gary crew" to do something as insane as this! You think moral is bad now Gary? Nothing like attacks on the "thin blue line" are you going back to New York soon, this "experiment" resulted in failure! "Don't go away mad Gary, please just go away"
hey ssc i didnt look at the report and could care less if anybody did rahm kid is a pot smoking punck who will never serve in the military but rahm doesnt mind id others send their children in harms way
It is a violation of department policy for any member not directly involved in an investigation to review investigatory documents.
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Bottom Line... EVERYBODY grieve the punishment.
Suspend for nothing! How much more insane can you run this department? How much more can you lower moral? The toilet spins same direction as earth rotates, the city is rotating, this department is rotating guess where it is being flushed? Incredible, another goofy idea? What puppet did this? who pulls the strings?
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...
My motto has always been: "for every one (day, CU hour) they take from me, I promise a three-fold return".
Still going to recommend a day after I appeal and grieve it because my boots have salt stains in the middle of February or I forgot to shave after being in the hospital with a sick family member all day? No problem, I got that faded.
I don't get mad and I don't get even - I get better than even. I get 3-to-1 odds. Every time. This is one instance where the "House" doesn't always win, nor will it ever if you know how to play the game.
So fight the day they're trying to give you. And in the event you don't win your grievance? Well, I think you know what to do.
10/06/2015 10:39:00 AM
Guys like you are Grade A 100% jerks. You will defend people who are wrong no matter what. Professionalism is lacking in this department. Officers have no right to look up a burglary or a csa report just because they are curious. If it is relevant then at roll call the bosses will mention there is a burglary pattern on certain beats, suspects and the modus operandi. There are some professional police officers on this job. Perhaps you should emulate them and stop defending officers who engage in misconduct.
Christ. What a mess. They let you log in. But don't you, a Sworn police officer, DARE read an official police report.
WTF kind of screwed up thinking is that? Have your IT department restrict access is the easy fix.
Yikes...I looked like 3 times! Does that mean 3 days off? Hmmmmm...I can't remember the last time I had 3 day....I mean wtf! Lol
Fuckin great, years have past and yet Daley still has the power to suspend!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is this why Rivera retired?
Just axin
10/06/2015 09:39:00 AM
Juan Rivera is a class act. Always watched out for his troops. You may be correct. Juan would have enough integrity to tell McCarthy to shove this up his ass. McCarthy didn't like Rivera because McCarthy didn't "make" him (or Ralph P. or Marv S.). Juan hung in there and actually saved a lot of coppers during his time as Chief of the IAD. He made the right move by leaving.
I have noticed a few white shirts posting.
Do the exempts actually believe they have a right to read any report?
What follow up does a commander ever do? Hell they barely read reports that are sent to them. I smile because this may add some seats in the FOP hall with the retirees taking over nobody is looking out for NOSEY officer.
Yikes...I looked like 3 times! Does that mean 3 days off? Hmmmmm...I can't remember the last time I had 3 day....I mean wtf! Lol
10/06/2015 09:24:00 PM
Hey, that's not a bad idea....need the weekend off, read that "off-limits" report a couple of times. I like it!!!!
Guys like you are Grade A 100% jerks. You will defend people who are wrong no matter what. Professionalism is lacking in this department. Officers have no right to look up a burglary or a csa report just because they are curious. If it is relevant then at roll call the bosses will mention there is a burglary pattern on certain beats, suspects and the modus operandi. There are some professional police officers on this job. Perhaps you should emulate them and stop defending officers who engage in misconduct.
10/06/2015 08:08:00 PM
.....said the dickwad.
My motto has always been: "for every one (day, CU hour) they take from me, I promise a three-fold return".
Still going to recommend a day after I appeal and grieve it because my boots have salt stains in the middle of February or I forgot to shave after being in the hospital with a sick family member all day? No problem, I got that faded.
I don't get mad and I don't get even - I get better than even. I get 3-to-1 odds. Every time. This is one instance where the "House" doesn't always win, nor will it ever if you know how to play the game.
So fight the day they're trying to give you. And in the event you don't win your grievance? Well, I think you know what to do.
10/06/2015 10:39:00 AM
Really? You got a day for not shaving after spending a day at the hospital with a sick family member? Got another for having salt stained shoes? You must have quite a disciplinary record.
I've worked with big mouth guys like you. It's OK. I like doing your work while you abuse the Medical for some perceived slight you feel when you get caught doing your nonsense. You are a dog. Retire, quit, anything. Just go.
This seems to come down to whether or not all police officers are allowed general access to case files that are not specifically secured or not. It is somewhat analogous to prohibiting employees from using their employer's computer systems for certain activities, but not actually having any software or other provisions that prevent it. It is still an offense to go visit porn sites, even if they are not blocked.
If there is a sign on a door that says authorized persons only and you are not authorized, is it OK to walk on in because the door was left open by mistake?
There is either a rule that this conduct violated or there is not. It ought not to be all that hard to determine whether such a rule exists.
"Really? You got a day for not shaving after spending a day at the hospital with a sick family member? Got another for having salt stained shoes? You must have quite a disciplinary record.
I've worked with big mouth guys like you. It's OK. I like doing your work while you abuse the Medical for some perceived slight you feel when you get caught doing your nonsense. You are a dog. Retire, quit, anything. Just go.
10/07/2015 05:38:00 AM"
The Company Shill White Shirt Punk has spoken. No I'm going to stay for 30, just to make your life miserable Bitch.
I don't get mad and I don't get even - I get better than even. I get 3-to-1 odds...
If the Department gives you a day suspension and you decide to abuse the medical for three days to get better than even, your check is still short eight hours. How are you ahead again?
Man, this really sounds like BS.
Either totally untrue or the brass is talking out of its ass. Tho it is fun to see the bosses with their panties in a bunch.
While looking at another report in an on-going investigation has been considered rude, it is not specifically prohibited.
So you looked at the report. As long as you do not tip off witnesses, possible suspects or defense council, so what?
As for the Department disciplining you for reading the report without reason??? NONSENSE. There are lots of good reasons.
If you are a Patrol or Tac officer or supervisor in 020, 019, 024, 107, 018 or any distict in which street robberies in residential areas occur, you were looking for information that might help you capture them. That is our business, remember?
If the report was that sensitive, it should have been locked. Simple
Either CR# or SPAR on 400 officers is a ton of paper work. DO you really thing that the command staff wants to do all that work?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This seems to come down to whether or not all police officers are allowed general access to case files that are not specifically secured or not. It is somewhat analogous to prohibiting employees from using their employer's computer systems for certain activities, but not actually having any software or other provisions that prevent it. It is still an offense to go visit porn sites, even if they are not blocked.
If there is a sign on a door that says authorized persons only and you are not authorized, is it OK to walk on in because the door was left open by mistake?
There is either a rule that this conduct violated or there is not. It ought not to be all that hard to determine whether such a rule exists.
10/07/2015 09:50:00 AM
Bad analogy.
If a door is left open and you walk through it, THEN are told you were not authorized to enter, were you wrong when you entered?
There was no rule against reading the report.
No matter how loud or long someone shouts otherwise after the fact, there was no rule.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't get mad and I don't get even - I get better than even. I get 3-to-1 odds...
If the Department gives you a day suspension and you decide to abuse the medical for three days to get better than even, your check is still short eight hours. How are you ahead again?
10/07/2015 10:46:00 PM
You're not REALLY this stupid, are ya?
Anonymous said...
I don't get mad and I don't get even - I get better than even. I get 3-to-1 odds...
If the Department gives you a day suspension and you decide to abuse the medical for three days to get better than even, your check is still short eight hours. How are you ahead again?
10/07/2015 10:46:00 PM
DUH! He get's THREE paid days while on the medical and has a mini vacation while at his home. Do the math.
The Company Shill White Shirt Punk has spoken. No I'm going to stay for 30, just to make your life miserable Bitch.
10/07/2015 11:11:00 AM
Wow! You are indeed an unhappy person. Must be fun to work with
Trust your own Police Officers. We have an implied level of Security Clearance that should be honored. Ferret out anyone passing info but don't blanket punish Officers who had an expected level of Clearance to view any report they choose. Even the Feds have different levels of Clearance and if something is above an Officer's pay grade to view then restrict it on it's face.
10/06/2015 12:29:00 AM
Now that you brought that up! Having a security clearance does not give you total access to information/documents that are sensitive. There is the " need to know" principal and accessing information that you do not have a need to know can get you in serious trouble with the federal government. You just don't do it, period.
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