Sgt Class Coming...and Going...Gone
Is it true? Put out a list, then revoke it hours later?
Whoever has the list, send it here.
If it exists.
Whoever has the list, send it here.
If it exists.
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posted by SCC at 12:31 AM
Saturday, October 24, 2015
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81 Comments:
The names and races ain't right.
I call BS on this...
Say what?!?!?! Who has the list?!
It wasn't taken down hours later is 'twas taken down after about 20 minutes. The list was huge, had 140 or so names on it.. I'm thinking the list wasn't supposed to go up this Friday but maybe next Friday or the week after that. Either way, if your on the list look for 140 with merit to be made.. As usual, a 35th street incompetent screwed up. A premature congrats to the 140 on the list next week.. Or whenever they finally decide to release it.
Ridiculous, the Department is actually trying to make a class of all merit. FOP is threatening to file a lawsuit and stop the class. Who knows how long it's going to take to straighten this mess out.
O.T. I see the flyers for the 012/013th district holiday and retiree party are up. I wonder if Kulbida is going to demand a to from, and six months worth of activity in order to get time due to go.
This shouldn't be that complicated. If you're short sergeants make a class, take 70% off the list 30 % merit. I don't get it, why is this so hard?
The conviction of officer Brown needs to be addressed. We as local law enforcement officers have been condemned at the highest levels for using excessive force even when the situation warranted it. We have been portrayed as too quick to use deadly force by our president, mayors, and law enforcement officials across the country, mostly in democratic strongholds like Chicago. Police officers across the country have found themselves second guessed in a grotesque and cowardly fashion by liberal media automatons who apply a warped and delusional agenda to their reporting.
Shortly after Ferguson, and the revelation that Officer Wilson's actions in his encounter with the criminal Michael Brown did not fit the lie promoted by media and politicians, and that his actions were unquestionably lawful, the word went out to us attorneys across the country: indict any cop cases, no matter how weak or ridiculous, that are on the back burner to show the public cops are in fact out of control and will be punished and imprisoned.
So Brown is indicted. He is caught on video hitting and disarming a felon who was in the act of breaking the law by carrying a gun. We hear every day of the plague of armed gang members killing each other and innocents in the street every day. Brown encountered one of these criminals. Did he immediately shoot? Did he rush to use deadly force, as so many police officers are quick to do these days, according to our elected officials and cable news creeps? He did not.
Brown disarmed him using minimal physical force. No one was injured, and a gun & criminal were taken off the street. Both cop and criminal were unharmed.
And this is the police lawlessness that is terrorizing our minority communities? We are to see something worthwhile in the US atty arguments that even though the criminal was armed, Brown should not have hit him because he didn't know he was armed? By this logic we are to believe that If Brown knew the criminal was armed he would have immediately drew and fired, which according to our president and former atty general is the rush to use deadly force that has so plagued our peaceful inner city communities. We are to believe Brown was a bully abusing his authority and a man the trib, in its article announcing the indictment, comically described as a security guard for the store.
With the national meeting of police brass taking place here this weekend, some rhetorical bombs need to be thrown by our union officials. Make it clear to all Chicago police: if you punch and kick a man with a gun, you will be prosecuted by the federal government. Every statement made by our union should be prefaced with "In this legislative district where police are prosecuted for punching armed offenders..." whether speaking of pension deficits or what hair product Camden will be using come his next media appearance. It must be said for the public and brass to hear: "Gun toting criminals beware: if a cop punches you and takes your gun, argue he didn't know you had it and the us atty office will come to your rescue."
That's because the list was 100% merit, fop bitched and they canceled the class.
I dont see nuffin.
Why not have corporals instead? After 20 years you get two stripes.
Sgt. class-in most cases is that not an oxymoron?
new sgt test early next year!test was flawed!all future classes canceled!!
OT In regards to the Guerin Prep sex scandal. What do you expect from an institution who employees people such as Joe Anunzio. This goof cost the city millionsssss of dollars in a sexual harassment related clusterfuck and is then able to turn around and obtain employment at a Catholic High School. Someone from the media please run with this.
Dean Angelo Jr.
That was the only name. MERIT choice for FOP.
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THANKS DADDY!!!!!
Must've been to many guys that could actually speak, read, and write. Affirmative action at its best
FOP was going to file an injunction halting the class of 13 merit Sergeants. The city said go ahead. City backed out at the last minute. Unknown when the class will start now and what the size of class will be.
How many inept people does it take to run a police department?
Human resource needs to be dumped. If anything in this department needed professionals it would be human resources.
Only issue with the list is the department asked the union if they could use more than 30% merit. Union said absolutely not, if you do we will get an injunction. Being aware of this scenario the department will promote a larger class to accommodate the merit appointed sergeants. The department could care less about the officers from the list. This merit process has been going on since may. I bet all the merit guys have been blowing up the phone lines. It's amazing how the department bends over backwards for these guys, but have been keeping the officers next up on the list in the dark. I wonder how many of his office secretaries got promoted this time. This department is complete shit.
How many on list
Wow!
We need more unqualified merit sergeants and we need more clowns who made it off the list but were given the answers or who attended a secret study group
Rumor is Monday.
Such confusion!
I have never seen so many orders changed so many times after being issued. recently I've seen Admin Notices with 3 or 4 addendums or outright revoked.
Arent there enough Sgts already? Why do you suppose Dean is silent on manpower?
they should make the merit packet public, if all these merit guys truly deserve a promotion based on knowledge, arrests and other "merit" actions than why hide it or be ashamed. I think that once it is made public that will keep these bosses that try and promote a secretary or some other officer that does not do anything but kiss their ass or have some inappropriate relationship going on. Transparency will scare away all these backdoor deals and the bosses who misuse the system.
OT: Langdon Neal. Given. Given I say...99 million dollars to Lobby....Lobby?? Lobby for what?? This town is small...the Movers and Shakers all know each other....what does Neal have on the rest of 'em to be given vast sums of Taxpayer's money by Crooks and Criminals (pretending to be politicians).....all he has to do is pick up the phone and tell someone he is taking their property and away it goes to eminent domain...easy....one, two, three. This town isn't dirty, its Filthy. Do Not Vote. Stay Away and take the Crooks jobs away from them. Been downtown lately???...If its been a while...it looks terrible...South Michigan Avenue looks so damn lousy...no room to breath, tons of open space is being taken...Huge, Gangling trees are in the Islands...which are supposed to be Flower Beds....can't see the other side of the street...U G L Y. Those beds s/b filled with exotic flowers or just old favorites like geraniums and tulips...No...gotta have Ugly Trees in the wrong places...(love trees but they need to be properly placed). What this town should have is an Architectural Landscape Designer to halt the UGLY and start the Beauty (used to be pretty...Michigan Ave. and the like). Now..low-class shops are filling it up south of the river..and Wabash and State are a mess too....Get me Outta here.....and that 'Has Been' George Lucas should take his UGLY Furnace Museum back where he came from...the 'thing' has no ebb and flo...Lucas is just cashing in on the city and Emanuel is helping him. None of this is pretty. We are getting S--- on.
The department is budgeted for around 1200 sergeants. It is down around 70-80 to be at full strength. So a list of 140 is unlikely.
IF the list was actually up and was later taken down there would still be a record of the generated administrative message with a blank link where the list would have been. I just don't believe it ever made the board. The Drama and games behind this is ridiculous make a class use the 30 % and make it a done deal. Geesh...
CPD "MERIT" = CLOUT; management's arbitrary discretion (MAD). Wouldn't you love to see the "career paths" of some of these clouted suckholes?
@ 10/24/2015 03:44:00 AM
I understand your dismay. But, the video and Brown's own words did him in in court. Sad he'll lose his job behind this. But it's still another reminder of why we can't police like we used to. Cameras and video are NOT our friends today.
As I watched the video, I kept thinking of how badly shit could've gone for both the officers. In a small, confined space with 5 people. Both officers turned their back on them several times. Neither officer had his weapon drawn. What if the armed asshole had just said "Fuck it!" and just started shooting? Both officers would've done.
What if he hadn't been the only one of them with a gun?
All things considered, the officer should count his blessings.
I have never seen so many orders changed so many times after being issued. recently I've seen Admin Notices with 3 or 4 addendums or outright revoked.
10/24/2015 12:13:00 PM
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These screw ups started with the employment of J Weiss, the appointment of Ladner and the change from "Personnel" to Human Resources.
Prior to to Weiss, there were very few orders issued either from personnel or from R&D that were ever revolked and the issued. It did happen but it was something that was very rare.
Now it seems EVERY order that comes out of HR is revolked and reissued later or never reissued.
HR is a joke
Here's a novel idea, hire people or surround yourself with people that KNOW the job!
FOOLS !!!
O.T. I see the flyers for the 012/013th district holiday and retiree party are up. I wonder if Kulbida is going to demand a to from, and six months worth of activity in order to get time due to go.
No, just 25% of the sales will do.
If true I am glad that the union is standing up to the City. The time to make merit with the class in April was then that is the past. If they make a class now, it needs to be from the list and up to 30% merit per our contract. I don't know why the City would be confused on the issue. Once again trying to play by their own rules........
OT - fyi and kudos to JetBlue
http://wfla.com/2015/10/23/jetblue-offering-free-flights-to-attend-slain-nypd-officers-funeral/
OT
new Lt in 019 Third watch. royal bi-polar JO
He's a brand new 2 year Lt. whose face turns red when he gets upset. Serious issues for a man set to retire in under 90 days. Why he cares so much is way beyond my tiny pay grade compared that of his. If I were him I'd be looking at restaurants to enjoy during my retirement in Naples. Bizarre how loony people get when they are about to retire in weeks
Way too many Merit/ no nothing Sgts out there! We need more police hired. Expect at least 300 retirees in the next few years!
What's going with that Casino Dean?
Give them all the merit sargent's they want, in return you want the residency rule removed for police and firefighters. The city is done for anyway, just because you work there should not mean you have to live there. That was a Richard "J" thing for the votes and now that your votes don't matter anymore why not.
Why is it accepted that anyone would be promoted without being qualified? Is that how corrupt this city is, that 30% get handed a promotion without deserving it? Maybe I don't understand "merit" but this sounds ludicrous.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
O.T. I see the flyers for the 012/013th district holiday and retiree party are up. I wonder if Kulbida is going to demand a to from, and six months worth of activity in order to get time due to go.
10/24/2015 02:48:00 AM
Can't even get a regular night off so why try to get that night off?
We need more unqualified merit sergeants and we need more clowns who made it off the list but were given the answers or who attended a secret study group
So true. People in the know, those that have family on the job or good friends are privy to command channel review or are preped in what just might be on the test. Yes there is a certain way to study & those in the know know this, & share only with a few. That is so sad. Everyone should be given the same advantage. Don't tell me they are. They are always peolpe with better jobs & more time on their hands to study @ work, or at the very least, have better mentors.
Let's face, even with a fairer starting ground, some will still fail & be promoted. The system needs to be changed. Chicago politics, so corrupt.
If they would demote those extra 100 exempts, we would have plenty of Sgt's and Lt's!
Anonymous said...
Arent there enough Sgts already? Why do you suppose Dean is silent on manpower?
10/24/2015 12:25:00 PM
As soon as Dean leave this office he will walk into a cushy six-figure second pension no show job courtesy of Rahm.
Ask, What happened to Deneen? Donahoe? Is there a pattern here.
Who are the suckers?
As long as there is a Democommunist POTUS they have nothing to worry about.
Why doesn't FOP push its members to vote.
Regester and VOTE!
Let's hope Dana Stark's sister in law is not on that list. She is a nice person but has no clue about anything regarding being a cop. Hopeless and just plain useless as a cop. If she does make it, its a kick in the nuts, a slap in the face, with a bat and a sharp stick up the wazoo for every working cop ever. She would be the very definition of what's wrong with merit promotions.
http://twitchy.com/2015/10/24/stopthecops-activist-struggles-to-pull-down-old-glory-flag-of-leading-terror-state-video/
anti - police protests in Chicago
>>>Anonymous said...
Give them all the merit sargent's they want, in return you want the residency rule removed for police and firefighters. The city is done for anyway, just because you work there should not mean you have to live there. That was a Richard "J" thing for the votes and now that your votes don't matter anymore why not.
10/24/2015 06:53:00 PM<<<
It may have been Old Man Daley's thing and I remember a good boss leaving back then. It was said that they wanted us to be able to respond quickly in case of a catastrophic situation. Ever hear of Plan Blue? But the truth than as it is now is that they want our taxes. Cops don't bother to vote. Did you ever see an FOP Newsletter say get out and vote and take your friends and family with you.
If we were ever a solid voting bock, where we could swing an election, then you might get the city to get rid of the residency rule.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How many inept people does it take to run a police department?
10/24/2015 10:04:00 AM
How many ya got?
Amidst all this bitching, does anyone have any actual info on when the sergeants class is actually starting?
Only issue with the list is the department asked the union if they could use more than 30% merit.
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When does the city ask the union anything?
They just do it.
This shouldn't be that complicated. If you're short sergeants make a class, take 70% off the list 30 % merit. I don't get it, why is this so hard?
10/24/2015 02:54:00 AM
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"Well kid, it's like this . . . "
~ Former Mayor Richie M. DALEY
What's easier to swallow- Getting Merrit or getting the test to study? Either way kids & families are GOING to get promoted!
Don't care either way but residency has nothing to do with proximity to work. You could work in 050 (Ohare Airport) and live a block from Indiana in Hegwisch or you could work in 050 and live in the suburbs and be two minutes away in Schiller Park. It's all about $$$ period.
Sergeants are tripping over each other. How about some more detectives. We're so short on manpower the system is starting to break down.
Donahue does not have a job right now.
Two a-holes from of all places the range! Had to be merit. Someone must of believed their war stories.
"O.T. I see the flyers for the 012/013th district holiday and retiree party are up. I wonder if Kulbida is going to demand a to from, and six months worth of activity in order to get time due to go."
10/24/2015 02:48:00 AM
No, no, no. Not at all. You obviously don't know the man. Here's how it's going to work. If you're on any watch on management, you better plan to buy a ticket. If you don't, plan on being dumped off of your watch next year. If you're a bid person and don't buy a ticket, plan on being harassed about being dumped off your car or having your starting time changed every day if you don't buy a ticket. His ticket nazi keeps a list of names of who bought the tickets. Assignments to watches and cars are made accordingly.
So if they lift residency then what? Move to the burbs for 10K+ in property taxes? Are you soft? Then what buy another house and have to start all over? Are you soft? If you are thinking of staying in this state post retirement you are soft anyways. If you don't want to live here, MOVE and LEAVE the job. It was a condition of your employment if you don't like it leave.
The larger percentage of merit merely means that the department/city have a plan to make more merit Lts and thus in turn command staff. Can't arrive at the numbers wanted if the lowest level of command isn't manipulated to achieve those numbers. Thirty percent is too low for the Fifth flr agenda.
Amidst all this bitching, does anyone have any actual info on when the sergeants class is actually starting?
10/25/2015 12:58:00 AM
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The list was put up on the admins on accident for about 15-20 minutes. 35th realized it was put out and quickly took it down. This is confirmed because numerous people, including myself and my desk sgt were commenting on the list and looking at the names right when it came out. few minutes later, poof it was gone. I talked to a guy in 012, who said that somebody on their desk crew also saw it when it popped out in the admins and got it printed out before it was taken down. 140 names on the list. Talked to a girl at the academy and she said the list is ready, she figures that it was just put out a week early because they have all the materials ready for the sgts class and have the two large main rooms at the academy reserved for the class starting on 02 November. Which means the list will come out this coming thursday or friday. She also confirmed that 140 spots sounds right because they have the two big rooms set aside and there are a ton of class materials that they have for this class. So keep your pants on, looks like next week it will be announced and should be the original 140 number as the original posting from friday said.
Hmmmm, so I'm guessing that nobody has the list that they briefly posted then rescinded... That sucks!
Looks like DOA police are getting set for a serious "ramp up" looks like they will be taking over airport duties sooner than later, you wonder why no airport openings but many retirees attrition the. Poof more coppers on street duty! So your phone calls are not being answered? Better get a place now!
I would not have a problem with the merit list if there was someone on there that was merit worthy. Can FOP get some balls and fight that bullshit. It would also be nice to see a merit pick out of the 010 district go to a white or black officer. Maybe FOP can look into that blatant racism.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So if they lift residency then what? Move to the burbs for 10K+ in property taxes? Are you soft? Then what buy another house and have to start all over? Are you soft? If you are thinking of staying in this state post retirement you are soft anyways. If you don't want to live here, MOVE and LEAVE the job. It was a condition of your employment if you don't like it leave.
10/25/2015 09:54:00 AM
Conditions of employment can change. And not everyone can leave the state as much as they'd like to. There are many affordable areas to live outside the city and there is no good reason to keep us enslaved and treated like indentured servants.....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"O.T. I see the flyers for the 012/013th district holiday and retiree party are up. I wonder if Kulbida is going to demand a to from, and six months worth of activity in order to get time due to go."
10/24/2015 02:48:00 AM
No, no, no. Not at all. You obviously don't know the man. Here's how it's going to work. If you're on any watch on management, you better plan to buy a ticket. If you don't, plan on being dumped off of your watch next year. If you're a bid person and don't buy a ticket, plan on being harassed about being dumped off your car or having your starting time changed every day if you don't buy a ticket. His ticket nazi keeps a list of names of who bought the tickets. Assignments to watches and cars are made accordingly.
10/25/2015 05:45:00 AM
Yup...
That's Kulbida's way and he's been doing that shit for over 20 years.
"I wanna fuckin' to-from and your last six periods of activity."
Note: Never "step around the corner" with this snake.
Make him say what he has to say in front of LOTS of
witnesses. He WILL motherfuck you, threaten insubordination,
fuck with your start times, go through the mail bag to "intercept"
Department correspondence with your name on it to jackpot you.
(Yes Ed... People were watching but you were lucky
your buddy in degeneracy, Aguinaga was looking out for you)
Yes... Eddie's story should've ended very badly
many years ago. He has the luck of the devil himself...
It's fucking stupid if you think about it...
Demanding a To-From and activity to attend a Retirement Party
then creating a hostile work environment by fucking with and
punishing Policemen who exercise their right to not purchase
a ticket?
Kulbida and Aguinaga had that shit down to a science
back in 011 and it went on with the blessing of the
District Commanders.
That's EXTORTION Eddie...
So what if you think it's just a bunch of "pussy blue shirts," it's
STILL EXTORTION, Conduct Unbecoming and Official Misconduct too.
M/Fers have gone to PRISON for less, Eddie.
People are still waiting for their golf outing refund
you degenerate wastrel.
You guys in 012/013 should band together and invest in a
P.I. as a counter-measure against Kulbida's outrages since
the Department refuses to discipline him for the outrages
he commits against his subordinates.
One-Way M/Fer who has no business being a Policeman
let alone being in a position of authority to hurt Policemen
just trying to get through their day.
Tick-Tock
Bubblehead...
It's gonna be great finally seeing you fall.
IG Investigation???????? Miss use of funds political influence Da Shitcago Way
Hello Lawsuit if you don't get promoted
Offtopic
Why Do we have a Retired guy as Chief of Staff?
Collecting 2 Gold Braid Pensions
Does he run the staff or just a snow job
He doesn't task the staff or Commanders
Produce reports? WTF Does he do?
The list was put up on the admins on accident for about 15-20 minutes. 35th realized it was put out and quickly took it down. This is confirmed because numerous people, including myself and my desk sgt were commenting on the list and looking at the names right when it came out. few minutes later, poof it was gone. I talked to a guy in 012, who said that somebody on their desk crew also saw it when it popped out in the admins and got it printed out before it was taken down. 140 names on the list. Talked to a girl at the academy and she said the list is ready, she figures that it was just put out a week early because they have all the materials ready for the sgts class and have the two large main rooms at the academy reserved for the class starting on 02 November. Which means the list will come out this coming thursday or friday. She also confirmed that 140 spots sounds right because they have the two big rooms set aside and there are a ton of class materials that they have for this class. So keep your pants on, looks like next week it will be announced and should be the original 140 number as the original posting from friday said.
10/25/2015 12:41:00 PM
It never came out.
The chick at the academy is talking shit or you just made it up.
Lists come out on Wednesday, with few exceptions(holidays).
There isn't a ton of class materials needed for Sgt's class. Random people come in, some hand you a copy of their power point, some don't. Most bring their own shit. Sgts school could be a week long if they filtered out of the fluff. There is a lot of shit to learn, but you won't learn it there.
It's funny, all these people supposedly saw this list, but not one person on the actual list saw it. Bullshit.
005th district tact and Officers are required to bring in 5 bags of Halloween candy in lieu of 3hours cu for their community Halloween party .
Where is the integrity?
I heard this is the Commanders idea
What happen to all the money made from them summer barbecues?
Call him the chicken wing king Johnson
This is exactly why I did not take the exam. This department is going to promote who they want. It's not what you know it's who you know.
Anonymous said...
Looks like DOA police are getting set for a serious "ramp up" looks like they will be taking over airport duties sooner than later, you wonder why no airport openings but many retirees attrition the. Poof more coppers on street duty! So your phone calls are not being answered? Better get a place now!
10/25/2015 03:03:00 PM
Boring... we don't care about your ramblings. GO start a DOA blog already, you are such a tool.
This is exactly why I did not take the exam. This department is going to promote who they want. It's not what you know it's who you know.
10/26/2015 04:43:00 PM
Thanks for the boost.
Anonymous said...
Sergeants are tripping over each other. How about some more detectives. We're so short on manpower the system is starting to break down.
10/25/2015 03:38:00 AM
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It's hard to promote to any rank if you don't hire new officers.
No, you didn't take the exam because you can't pass it.
Someone said that they do not promote white or black officers meritoriously in the 10th district. Holy shit. It's true. I'm just shocked that someone had the balls to say it. I wonder why only Hispanic officers get meritoriously promoted out of the 10th district. Maybe someone should check that out. Maybe that's why morale sucks in the 10th district. If your not Hispanic you don't matter.
On the residency thing....who is going to buy your home if they lift the restrictions.? People buy in your neighborhood for 1 reason...they have to.
Someone said that they do not promote white or black officers meritoriously in the 10th district. Holy shit. It's true. I'm just shocked that someone had the balls to say it. I wonder why only Hispanic officers get meritoriously promoted out of the 10th district. Maybe someone should check that out. Maybe that's why morale sucks in the 10th district. If your not Hispanic you don't matter.
There's some truth after looking back at the merit selections, all Latinos. However, just look at the recent bosses that came from the 010th dist. All of Latino/Hispanic decent. I mean they take care of their own and this won't be a issue at all. The Alderman/mayor want more supervisors of color in the ranks. It's precisely why the makeup of the academy classes has changed over the last couple years. It's nor racist, it's politics
Perhaps bcuz da majority of coppers in 010 are latino!?
So your saying since the majority of coppers in 010 are Latinos it ok to screw over the black and white officers that deserve the merit pick cause of race or politics. Isn't that racism.
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