Wisconsin Gun Shop Payout
Garry, consciously or unconsciously, is echoing the right:
- This week in Wisconsin, the Milwaukee County Circuit Court is hearing arguments in a lawsuit filed by two police officers, both of them shot in the head by a young man named Julius Burton back in 2009. The officers are suing the former owners of the defunct gun shop that sold the pistol Burton used to a straw purchaser, Jacob Collins. Burton was at the time too young to legally purchase a handgun.
Like many other jurisdictions, Wisconsin doesn’t really take straw purchases of firearms very seriously. At the time of Collins’s crime, the offense was only a misdemeanor. (Subsequent legislation has upgraded straw purchasing to a low-level felony.) The crime was, and is, seldom prosecuted, and, before the Burton-Collins incident, offenders would “typically get probation or less than a year in prison because of their clean records and the notion they have not committed a violent crime, according to a review of five years of federal court records,” as the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported in 2010.
Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.
The case referenced in the opening paragraph was actually adjudicated yesterday - the gun shop was found civilly liable to the tune of nearly $6 million to the officers for gross negligence by ignoring the common characteristics of a straw buyer. The straw buyer got 2 years, while the shooter got 80.
The rest of the article shows how the Courts, state governments and feds routinely ignore their own laws in order to further an agenda, an agenda set by the politicians in power at the moment.
Garry deserves a bit of credit for pointing this out, but we doubt he's doing because he's suddenly a supporter of the Second Amendment, the NRA and right wing politics in general - he's doing it because everything else has failed: disbanding citywide units, combining districts, merging detective areas, centralizing gang teams, downgrading crime, hiding homicides, etc.
The rest of the article shows how the Courts, state governments and feds routinely ignore their own laws in order to further an agenda, an agenda set by the politicians in power at the moment.
Garry deserves a bit of credit for pointing this out, but we doubt he's doing because he's suddenly a supporter of the Second Amendment, the NRA and right wing politics in general - he's doing it because everything else has failed: disbanding citywide units, combining districts, merging detective areas, centralizing gang teams, downgrading crime, hiding homicides, etc.
posted by SCC at 12:11 AM
19 Comments:
The biggest straw purchasers of all were the Justice Dept. and ATF, in Operation Fast and Furious. They felicitated hundreds of assault rifles and pistols going to the drug cartels. None were even charged.
" ignoring the common characteristics of a straw buyer." Um, wouldn't that be profiling? And profiling is wrong.
Scary part is the government and the judicial system were an epic fail in this debacle , however they are more than happy to slam fuck the shop. Just like here they catch an asshole and let him plead out and make a deal. The deal of course is not a matter of public record and of course no one ever really knows if it was a "good" deal nor will anybody. How about some accountability on that front ? Did the "deal" result in any other charges being brought ?
You have to create the crisis first in order to do things that you would not normally be allowed to do while not letting the crisis go to waste
Civil court is the only court. Nothing is a crime anymore.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
All of a sudden, I feel very profound.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Sadly, if the gun shop had enforced the rules, and stopped the transaction, the feds would be all over these guys for racial profiling and civil rights violation. And you can bet the white house would have a something to say about it.
"Those who protest the loudest".......See the real relationship of democraps and guns here...http://adrianvance.blogspot.com/2015/10/who-shoots-guns.html
to the unpublished double standard:
apples and oranges. the cops proved gross negligence. jesse and phleger prove nothing and operate on nothing but hot air...kind of like your comment. try again.
In Tennessee--it's a felony, and billboards are now appearing at prominent locations warning of possible 10-year sentences for straw purchasers.
This is a state very friendly to legal gun owners.
You have to create the crisis first in order to do things that you would not normally be allowed to do while not letting the crisis go to waste
This comment is crying for a 'Love' button! That hits the nail right on it's pointy little head.
All the laws we'll ever need regarding keeping guns out
of unauthorized hands are already on the books.
Law Enforcement at ground level is doing it's job
but the problem is with the lack of prosecution and
the lack of a spine by the courts.
When straw purchasers get locked away and exiled for hard
and punitive 20+ year licks with no time off for good behavior?
Straw purchasing will fall off the table.
Yes...
Run stings and false flags to put fear in their hearts too.
Now that this lawsuit is adjudicated it is an opening door for lawsuits against gun shop owners. If they do this enough times then most gun shops in our country will be un-insurable. Liberals will do anything and engage in various avenues to get what they want. They never give up until they get what they want. Then once they have that small victory then they want more.
Anonymous said...
The biggest straw purchasers of all were the Justice Dept. and ATF, in Operation Fast and Furious. They felicitated hundreds of assault rifles and pistols going to the drug cartels. None were even charged.
10/14/2015 12:50:00 AM
I think you meant facilitated! Felicitated was a masturbatory act you performed during the CW show "Felicity" starring Kerry Russell
Seem to remember hearing that there was video from this store, the clerk "helping to correct 'errors' on the 4473," etc.
Keep it up, fools. Bring the prohibited person right in there with you. "Naw. I don' like that black one. I likes the chrome."
&c.
It's easy to win a civil suit, but very hard to collect. OJ never paid a dime of the judgement levied against him. Dave Duerson I believe was defrauded in a business deal; won a civil judgment, and never received any money.
ANON. said -
The biggest straw purchasers of all were the Justice Dept. and ATF, in Operation Fast and Furious.............
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Absolutely true. BUT - most people don't even know this because most of the media shed no light on this scandal.
Next case.
They finally ran the last gun store out of San Francisco, too.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/04/citing-onerous-regulations-the-last-gun-store-in-san-francisco-is-closing-its-doors/
Listen to us old fools who were here. Abercrombie and Fitch used to have .458 Win. Mag. "elephant guns" on display in its street-level window on Wabash. Fifth floor of Marshall Field's "Store For Men" not only had firearms, but full-time gunsmiths to do repairs, install 'scopes, etc. Sears, Wards, Woolworths downtown sold guns. Save up enough books of S&H Green Stamps, you could go up to the redemption center store -- was it in the Wieboldt's down there? -- and get a rifle or shotgun. Hardware stores had guns and ammo, Winchester '94 down there in the case. No one thought much of it. Hell, there was even mail-order, postman would bring a long box, here you are.
No bloodbath every night, everyone was sleeping after a hard day of W-O-R-K, no "disenfranchised" with $600 phones, strapped and slugging Hennessey and hitting blunts, all coked-up on "party buses" wandering the Central Business District and environs for lack of anything better to do.
It's not guns. It's LBJ's famous "Great Society" as it has been "reinvented" today. The real s__t started almost immediately in 1964, and has not stopped since.
>sound of crickets from City Hall<
It must be true. The city we see is the city they want.
The coppers involved almost died that day. They were chopped up pretty bad. Head, face and neck wounds. One lost an eye, and part of his frontal lobe. Both were young, and wanted to continue to be cops, despite this. Both did come back full duty. Despite veteran cops telling them they sacrificed enough. Told them to take the duty disability, and try to get on with their lives. The copper that lost the eye found it difficult to do the police work he was used to. He didn't want to be an "inside" guy, although they would have found a spot for him. So he finally took the DDR.
This gun shop was the nationwide leader in recovered crime guns. Over 500. The shop owners were not evil people. Just stupidly lax and indifferent to their responsibilities as retail gun dealers, to paraphrase a juror on the civil suit.
Their lack of due diligence by the shop, in doing their job led to the asshole getting a gun. He tried to murder two policemen with that gun. The jury saw all of the evidence, and heard the testimony. The cops may never collect that judgment. But I know they want this to be a warning to other gun dealers to just do their damn job, as the law prescribes, to minimize this stuff from happening again.
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