Charges "Unlikely"
- The stepson of a 55-year-old suspected robber shot dead Saturday night at a Southwest Side store by a customer with a concealed carry license expressed anger, frustration and doubt about the incident Sunday.
Killed was Reginald Gildersleeve, 55, of the 5000 block of South California Avenue, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office. Gildersleeve was pronounced dead at 7:10 p.m. on the scene in the 2700 block of West 51st Street, according to the medical examiner's office.
Police had said earlier he'd been shot in the chest.
Late Sunday, police in a statement said they were wrapping up its investigation and indicated that "charges do not appear likely."
The Tribune story goes out of its way to quote the dead felon's family, publish their outlandish claims about "doubts" and such, but do point out that the deceased was out on bail for other charges. Someone also managed to get the corpse's extensive rap sheet to the media, including a previous robbery.
The comments are another story, with the anti-gun trolls out in force and street-corner lawyers opining on everything. The fact is a felon got caught dirty, got shot legally, and won't be costing taxpayers another dime.
Win, win, win.
The comments are another story, with the anti-gun trolls out in force and street-corner lawyers opining on everything. The fact is a felon got caught dirty, got shot legally, and won't be costing taxpayers another dime.
Win, win, win.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:22 AM
71 Comments:
Charges unlikely (unless the political winds change in an ugly direction)
14 felony convictions. Including convictions for robbery, attempt robbery, multiple burglaries, pcs, theft. Was out on I bond for a pcs arrest just a week before he tired to commit this robbery while armed with a large black paintball gun. But remember what Preckwinkle says, "low level drug offenders do not belong in jail".
Gildersleeve? You're a hard man McGee!
Center mass. Looks like the $150 he sent ISP for the CCL and another ~$150 for the mandated 16-hour class was money well spent.
I would lke to buy that man a bullet
I thought this topic was going to be about Patrick Kane.
If it's one thing I've learned reading this wacky thing we call The Internet, it's that the anti-gun fucktards that comment on various website and articles are some of the absolutely dumbest individuals that ever walked the planet. Pretty much a pre-requisite for that crowd, but they seem to have an extra sprinkle of "stupid" in them.
Excellent
There might be one taxpayer still on the hook. Will the thugs greedy relations sue the guy that shot the scumbag?
Come on, can't Rahm's senior merit hacks find something to charge him with?
This "great Gildersleeve" ain't so great any more. There used to be a radio show back in 50's called the Great Gildersleeve. Was a funny show.
The shame of it all is that after this armed robbery, he was going to give up on a life of crime and enroll in Medical School.
However, in a way, his wish did come true as he is now a cadaver.
Colossal waste': Watchdog slams $43M, US-funded gas station in Afghanistan.
Feds should look at how much of the 43 million went to fund terrorism?
This is effed up!!! Over 8 billion has gone to Afghanista and there's more killings in Chiraq then any other country combine and I see no money flooding over there. Let alone a million.
What's wrong with some people? Gun control activists think that by forcing Mariano's to put anti gun stickers on their doors the world will be a better place. For them!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/northbrook/news/ct-nbs-marianos-guns-tl-1105-20151031-story.html
Illinois law also provides that when a civilian is justified in using deadly force during the commission of a forcible felony, no action can be taken against him civilly by any family or the estate. The only people that can get sued when putting down a criminal felon are the police, because of the vile work of the communist law firms in this horrible city.
I don't know SCC. I read quite a few of the comments from the article and the majority were pro police, pro carry/conceal.
The CCL holder should get a medal for what he had done! I wished I would have done the paper on this excellent shoot! Fuck Gary and Rahm! To the family sticking up for this waste of garbage, go fuck youselves!
Fox News just said: "It seems like a scene from the old west.."
HAhahahaha
Playing on the theme that Chicago will turn into the wild-wild west when they passed those CCW laws.
See, see Rahm and Gary told you that Chicago would turn into the wild-wild west.. smh
Rap sheets should be mandatory for all these creeps on the street when they become famous by the media.
But Garry and Tiny dancer don't want to offend certain types of people because RAP sheets prove nothing.
Who are you going to sue now bitch?
The fact that they are even looking into charges sickens me.
So that's what happened to the Great Gildersleeve♠️
That use to be a bar. Nobody was ever shot in the bar in the past. Right across the street from Ald. Burkes office.
The pro-gun/pro-self0defencese ended up 'content disabled' by the Trib censor
What goes around comes right back around! Wasn't there a previous armed robbery at that same store years ago when the store owner was shot and killed?
Did the media post his graduation photo ? Did they quote family members that "he was turning his life around"??
Just axin
The family's just pissed cuz they can't sue the City.
Fambly instinctively pulling all the shiny knobs on the candy machine, one after another, but it doesn't look like anything is going to come out for them...
Rap sheet, nothing. How many crimes did Gildersleeve here NOT get caught for? Some people have the talent of lowering the general quality of life for everyone within a ten-mile radius...
This one hit the wrong side of the G.L. with a real fireball, huh? Unfortunately payments are suspended due to the ongoing budget crisis. We'll get back to you...
>pfft<
Favorite quote:
"Something doesn't seem right," said Igbinosa Oronsaye, whose mother was married to Gildersleeve. "Reggie doesn't even own a gun. He couldn't own a gun if he wanted to."
Because the fear of law stopped him from committing his last 10 felonies. What a bunch of idiots.
hey family, face it,,,he's dead because of his own actions,,,,,fuck you....good guys win
He was 55 but I'm sure he was just starting to turn his life around !
Some people don't like judgement day
Any lawyers care to comment? I have often wondered that if a private citizen were forced into a deadly force situation, what duty he has after the shots are fired and the offender is down. We all have a right to remain silent and a right against self-incrimination. I know that means I don't have to talk to the police without first lawyering up. But does one so attacked have a duty toward the offender to call 911, obtain medical help for the offender and to assist the police in their investigation? Do I have a duty to stick around or am I free to go on with my life as if it hadn't been interrupted by the offender?
Not a cop but the bullshit aspect of this story is one real fact, if a cop had shot him the family would have went after the city and got a nice paycheck. The city needs to start fighting these cases where criminals get paid.
YEah and the police don't get blamed for it for once.
Question for the experts. What are the police and DA taking into account in charging or not charging the customer?
This type of "Win,Win,Win" situaMation could go a long ol'way toward solving Chicongo's, ahem, "financial" problemos...
Less Chicongan's, less problems :)
So the stepson is pissed huh? Understandable but that anger should be pointed at his waste stepdad! You'd think he'd know from living in that hood, you live by the sword you die by the sword. Fucking guy may have saved the life of everyone in that place, anything could have made the offender start blasting. Let the politician's and crybabies bitch, perhaps they would have been happier with the opposite outcome. I say good job, let see more of that.
Well...there's one way to save some tax dollars! Sounds good to me
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Here, here. That good Samaritan is owed a drink for his fine marksmanship!
SCC, I need a big favor from you. At a time when the police seem to be unable to satisfy anyone, I want to give a shout out to all of the officers involved and the Good Samaritan witness in RD#, HY484163. Their prompt and courteous response made a difficult situation more tolerable. I am a long retired P.O. who was assigned to 007th Tact back in the late 80's. The victim in the above case is my daughter and she was attacked near her home on 31 October 2015. Strong arm robbery (don't know if it's still called that). The lady who called the police (her name is Dawn) found the victim's phone on the ground and called the last number dialed on the phone which happens to be my number in Texas. She called and talked to my wife to locate the owner. This occurred minutes after the assault and that is how we were able to let Dawn know that a robbery had taken place. Shout out to the police and Dawn. Please pass this message on to the officers. We have sent our regards to Dawn.
nice job Mr CCW...
Rap sheet? Criminal record as long as your arm? Sounds like another statue is going up in Englewood.
Leave it to Loevy will come up with something to blame the Dept. for, like "maybe if the polices fount (The Not-so Great) Gildersleeve with the play gun, he'd still be alive, 'cause he was at the liquid store drinking his forty on the corner and they didn't do their job". Maybe Hillary & Omabama will want better 'play gun' control and want to regulate 'play gun' manufacturers.
Leave #88 alone. Kaner's beefer is just a garden variety gold digger ho who's gleefully ingested the semen of hundreds of men. If Patrick wasn't a celebrity multimillionaire, it would have only been a Buffalo singles bar pick-up that went south. Tell her to puck off.
Illinois law also provides that when a civilian is justified in using deadly force during the commission of a forcible felony, no action can be taken against him civilly by any family or the estate. The only people that can get sued when putting down a criminal felon are the police, because of the vile work of the communist law firms in this horrible city.
11/02/2015 06:17:00 AM
Please quote the chapter and verse.
And, congrats to the armed citizen. Godspeed!
Any lawyers care to comment? I have often wondered that if a private citizen were forced into a deadly force situation, what duty he has after the shots are fired and the offender is down. We all have a right to remain silent and a right against self-incrimination. I know that means I don't have to talk to the police without first lawyering up. But does one so attacked have a duty toward the offender to call 911, obtain medical help for the offender and to assist the police in their investigation? Do I have a duty to stick around or am I free to go on with my life as if it hadn't been interrupted by the offender?
What are you, a idiot or something??? Yes, after you legally shoot and kill the ARMED OFFENDER, stand there and call the Police and report it. You are absolutely positively in the right in a case like this. After you tell the Police what transpired and you're released, go on with you're life!!!! Stop listening to McNumbnuts and Rahm.....WTF !!!!
Not "unlikely" charges not even considered, Eddie Burke is probably at the trophy shop now getting a trophy made for this hero! Do you realize this was less than a block from Ed's office? Think about it Ed, this "hero" did a huge favor to you, your staff, your constituents by preventing this thug from imposing certain mayhem on innocent people! Ed how about during the city council's next meeting inviting the hero and all the media to honor him, give him a cash award maybe $25,000 for saving us the taxpayers from paying more tax money to incarcerate this pos!
Good riddance.
09:25:00 AM
The correct answer for a citizen who is involved with a deadly force encounter is this response. "I was in fear for my life, I had no choice. I have read that in situations like this, its not advisable to give statements until speaking with an attorney so at this time, I don't have anything further to say"
... and not a single PO will begrudge you for that, under those circumstances.
While you might have the support of every citizen in Chicago and every Chicago Police Officer on the force, there are troubling political currents in the city and what you say could be perverted at a later point by a prosecutor with an agenda, or in a civil lawsuit.
"I was in fear for my life, I had no choice. I am too stressed to give a statement at this time, I wish to speak with a lawyer".
Remember it.
He died doing what he loved best.
And over here police are vindicated from black lies matter professor let's hope coppers sue this waste of life!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/02/dashcam-video-undermines-texas-profs-claim-racial-profiling-says-chief/
I remember locking this turd up 20 years ago in the 020th Dist.
He was a piece of shit oxygen waster then.
Made my day to read that name.
Love it!
Charges ? Name a street after him , honor him at next city council meeting , that place is 100ft from the 14th Ward Office .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That use to be a bar. Nobody was ever shot in the bar in the past. Right across the street from Ald. Burkes office.
11/02/2015 08:05:00 AM
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Was that the old "Marty's" or was that on the southeast corner?
"Question for the experts. What are the police and DA taking into account in charging or not charging the customer? "
Answer: I am a retired CCSAO ASA. All murder charges are decided by the Felony Review. Believe it or not, the vast majority are decided on the facts and the law. The standards used up to the time I retired in 2003 was whether the ASA would not be afraid to take the case before a jury. While I prosecuted gun cases in both Cook County and in Will County, I will note that the juries in Cook County were quick to find people with guns guilty. But the case like the one here would result in a not guilty and a waste of time. And those not guilty jury verdicts diminish the CCSAOs' conviction rate.
Question: "I have often wondered that if a private citizen were forced into a deadly force situation, what duty he has after the shots are fired and the offender is down."
Answer: This is a mixed question of law and trial strategy. This exact question was debated by myself, another lawyer/retired police chief on the WIND radio talk show On Target Radio on Sunday nights. I stated an obvious legal conclusion "that one would reduce their civil liability by rendering first aid to the criminal shot". The phones lit up like a Christmas tree in opposition; "he just tried to kill you, you should let him die"; "he might have AIDS"; etc. While every situation has a different legal answer, if it is a clear legal shooting, you will more often than not get out of the police station sooner by giving a frank account of the event without any bravado. But if there is any doubt about the shooting, then the best way to avoid the possibility of doing time is to say once, "I am not answering questions based upon my 5th Amendment Constitutional rights" and thereafter remain mute like you don't understand English.
Question: "Do I have a duty to stick around or am I free to go on with my life as if it hadn't been interrupted by the offender?"
Answer: All citizens have a duty to cooperate with the police. All citizens have a right not to answer questions that may incriminate themselves. Walking away from a justifiable homicide is not a prosecutable crime. But fleeing from the scene of a crime is legally admissible as a consciousness of guilt. Once again if it is a clean shoot, the shooter should stay. If the circumstances are questionable, walking away might be the preferred option. All CCL should have the name and phone number of an experienced criminal lawyer in their pocket who will take a midnight phone call to discuss this very critical question.
Loevy and Loevy, care to comment? Not much chance of recovery eh Jon? How about you Flint Taylor? Does Flint Taylor and company need a remodel job down there at the People's Law Office?
And they are now airing reports that the offender "only bad a paintball gun". The media is really doing everything they can to get the black population riled up.
Retired CCSAO ASA-
Thanks for the responses.
why are we confusing this storyline with the truth?
why can't we coppers just live the lie?
and just because he was out on bond for several charges, that has no bearing on this, but I'd like to know the total value of the cash posted and where he got the money.
in the end, law-abiding citizens should not be allowed to protect themselves because real criminals might get hurt.
stop lawfully carrying and use of firearms.
CRIMINAL LIVES MATTER, victims lives don't,
That is what politicians and liberal/socialists want us to believe.
"Some people don't actually know how to use guns," he said. "They go to firing ranges, but it's not the same as a bullet going into someone's body, it's not the same as a bullet going into flesh. They should be able to wound first, kill next. He didn't deserve to get shot multiple times.
So said the stepson.
Me: hey dumbass, this is the real world. Do you think the late Gildersleeve was pointing the fake gun at people's legs? Gunfights are kill or be killed. Your dumb fuck, waste of breath step-dad played a dangerous game. And lost.
Next case.
So Rosencrantz left Gildersleeve holding the bag, some partner.
I think the NRA offers it's members an insurance policy that covers attorney fees arising from an incident such as this.
Thank you retired ccsao asa. Your response was much better than two earlier responders who have trouble reading and comprehending the English language. Their insults were the proof needed to eliminate any doubt as to their stupidity.
I, like them, despise Rham and McC but I also, after nearly 30 years on CPD, don't trust the courts, CCSAO, the CPD or G-d to do the right thing. Good people get screwed every day trying to do right.
Thank you again for your measured response.
Retired and wary.
JUST A CITIZEN SAYS: FINALLY! Someone had the balls to pull out their registered fireman and shot the shit out one of these assholes. Keep it coming CCW holders! We need more people like you! And yes, the "relatives" are just pissed cuz they can't sue the city! These people are so stupid, it's beyond belief.
It bothers me that they have to use the phrase "charges unlikely" in a justified shooting. Not that they are really considering charges, but to placate the liberals and shitheads. It's a tactic that brings doubt and scrutiny to a situation that requires none. They know it was justified but they won't admit it..
Leave #88 alone. Kaner's beefer is just a garden variety gold digger ho who's gleefully ingested the semen of hundreds of men. If Patrick wasn't a celebrity multimillionaire, it would have only been a Buffalo singles bar pick-up that went south. Tell her to puck off.
Shut up you jerk, you were not there and you dont know what happened. Stick to the facts, Kane has a history of being a jerk and doing stupid shit. Did the girl do anything wrong? Time will tell. Just because he is a great hockey player does not give him the right to do stupid shit. He was a real tough guy beating up the 64 year old cab driver, but won't fight on the ice where he gets paid to fight SOMETIMES, not all the time, but sometimes. To me Kane is a low life spoiled rich kid who has a gift of playing hockey.
Justice
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3302859/College-student-21-invaded-high-school-student-s-home-wearing-rubber-gloves-stabbed-death-shower-shot-dead-neighbor.html
"Any lawyers care to comment? I have often wondered that if a private citizen were forced into a deadly force situation, what duty he has after the shots are fired and the offender is down. We all have a right to remain silent and a right against self-incrimination. I know that means I don't have to talk to the police without first lawyering up. But does one so attacked have a duty toward the offender to call 911, obtain medical help for the offender and to assist the police in their investigation? Do I have a duty to stick around or am I free to go on with my life as if it hadn't been interrupted by the offender? "
There is nothing in the statute on CCW or Citizens Self defense statutes that obligate any action like when you are involved in motor vehicle crash.
Depending of the situation, remaining at the scene could be dangerous. If you leave, the police will think you are running to hide. And while an active police officer has to talk to investigators a private citizen does not.
George Zimmerman tried to talk his way out of it. Actually did untilSharpton riled up the world over nothing.
As for summoning medical aid? "Gee, I don't seem to have a cell signal. I am going to step around the corner to get a signal....." and keep going may not be a bad plan.
Doubt that just walking away will be welcome option. The police may have a dead body on the street that needs to be explained. Tho dead bodies just lying on the street in Chicago are not an uncommon occurrence.
Am I the only one here that actually wants to know things like what weapon and load did the good guy use? Where and how was he carrying his pistol? Where exactly was the perp shot? Was it immediate incapacitation or did the perp try to fight on? Was the good guy happy with the performance of his weapon, ammo, holster?
These are the things I really want to know. Details, details, details.
Don't say perp.
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