Saturday, January 23, 2016

True? Or BS?

Anyone know? Or have examples of this occurring?
  • Ipra, plaintiffs lawyers are now asking and getting warrants for your personal phone records and text messages if you are involved in a police shooting, or at a scene. Be extremely carefully when you text message each other. Delete messages and photos that may seem inappropriate immediately. Keep in mind that most deleted material can be recovered. Time to be smart, really smart.
We would have assumed that they would have to show cause of some sort in order to violate privacy such as this. Maybe we were phoning our lawyer, wife, priest or doctor. How would they separate out those types of  calls from the fishing expedition this obviously is?

And speaking of rumors, anyone from the D-Unit want to comment on the one where IPRA is taking the lead on police shootings now? Again, we'd imagine that that would negate large portions of Contractual protections, meaning there better be a lawyer out on every shooting prior to IPRA's arrival.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was talking to a detective the other day and he stated that IPRA is the lead; The D-unit controls the scene right up to the shooting, then IPRA has control. Sounds like a nightmare to me. Better to wait till your attorney arrives before any statements if you ask me....."I'm not feeling well, please take me to the hospital."

1/23/2016 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ipra is in fact and by law in charge of police shootings involving a fatality. Don't worry, they took a one week long homicide investigation course at the academy. So... You should be fine. Plus your attorney will be able to destroy their so called investigation anyway.

1/23/2016 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think general orders state you have to give a statement to the FIRST supervisor on scene, that's it. After that lawyer up. Don't say shit. Request counsel before you speak to anyone else. Request transport to hospital due to shortness of breath and turn off your phone. Power down. If they going to treat us like criminals time to Lawyer up like criminals. With all the audio and video let them tell you what happened, 24 hours later.

1/23/2016 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before it was "drop guns"... Now, you better have a "drop phone". Once you use it - throw it away.

1/23/2016 12:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Time to put all phone records in someone else's name, not spouse or s.o., and don't give out phone number.

1/23/2016 12:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all if they are subpoenaing your phone records unless they have a non-disclosure notice you have a right to fight the subpoena and last I checked only grand jury investigations provide the non disclosure. 2nd of all, ALMOST EVERY cell phone company does not have the space or servers to save text messages therefore, they do not but if the device (phone) for you slower readers is still available then yes they can get your text messages but if IPRA asks for them tell them to FUCK OFF and get a warrant just like tom Brady told the NFL he destroyed it to protect his privacy!!!

1/23/2016 12:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure how a civilian review authority will be able to do a lot of stuff mentioned in that new order considering they are not law enforcement, hell they ARE NOT even qualified to be a lead homicide investigator which mandates by law that you be a sworn law enforcement officer, guess that dummy kwame Raul forgot that part.....

1/23/2016 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What investigative experience do IPRA employee's have in OIS's?
They know how to take statements from people/folks but what else do they know about investigating a shooting?
If they take the lead in an OIS, someone better start asking about the IPRA investigators experience and training.
Like, how many shootings have you ever investigated?

1/23/2016 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most companies keep 3 to 12 months worth of records.

1/23/2016 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And yet another reason to STAY FETAL prayers and thoughts with you guys and gals


Retired Sgt

1/23/2016 01:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They have been doing that for a long time, for at least Ten years that I know of. If you are involved in a shooting, take your phone and turn it off! Have someone call your wife, family to let them know your ok and someone else can call the FOP.

1/23/2016 01:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone know? Or have examples of this occurring?

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This was brought up at the Sergeants meeting this past Thursday.

I do know for a fact that HUNDREDS of texts and phone calls were made from that MORON Abbate after his drunken incident.

They were discovered by counsel.

God forbid you are involved in a shooting; once it is over, be careful of what you say.
Shut off all microphones. Do not say anything stupid.

DO NOT start making a lot of silly phone calls.... They WILL ALL be subpoenaed.

Make ONE call to FOP.. then keep your mouth shut.






1/23/2016 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heard IPRA takes over the investigation of a police shooting at the point someone is struck by a police bullet. Prior to that it's the detective's show.

Stay fetal

1/23/2016 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happened to me. However, the only thing that can be used in court, from your phone, is anything directly related to the incident itself. I was told there is a time frame. Off color jokes, pics, etc really aren't a big deal. The whole idea of this is to show that you, as an officer, had intent on shooting someone as depicted in a text that states "I'm gonna shoot a motherfucker tonight". If that is on your phone, you might be fucked. Again, this is what I was told by the person representing myself and my place of employment. I'm certInly no expert. I got extremely nervous when I found out they were going to subpoena my phone records. Not because the incident was "bad". I was worried about texts I had recvd and sent that had absolutely nothing to do with the incident. That when our attorneys stated the above.

1/23/2016 02:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sheeeit . The police aren't doing any shooting these days but lots of folks , and people are still getting shot .

1/23/2016 02:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a supervisor of 4 most recent OIS's I can say this comment is 100% true. It has shown up and they have connected the dots down the line subpoenaing a couple different numbers. There are two different "degrees " I was told. One that just provides them with the logs not all the pics and info which is the most common. They simply use it during the IPRA investigation and put you on the hot seat to explain why it was so important you need to text someone immediately. The second "degree" is one that requires more probable cause and that provides them with the actual text and photos. I know this because I have actually been shown them during an investigation.

The easiest way for them to show you used your phone is via the in car camera. If they can show your were on it they will subpoena it. This has been the case for over a year now. So don't be sending pics of dead guys to each other, and sure as hell don't be texting statements that have anything that can be considered bias. One of the two I was involved in came about because I simply texted an officer after a shoot and asked if they needed me to do anything for them because they were no longer on scene. My advice to any patrolman or supervisor on scene is immediately power off the officers phone . The FOP as well as the PBPA has done nothing to get in front of this.

1/23/2016 02:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ipra is taking the lead on police involved shooting.

1/23/2016 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think IPRA and DOJ are going to leave any stone unturned, you are completely naive. (That is putting it nicely). Your electronic devices are worse than a PDT. You carry them around with you day and night and post bs here their, take pics, make comments etc... Don't think for one second it cannot be used against you.

1/23/2016 02:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fyi if you claim your cell phone on your taxes, those phone records become public record during the time you were on duty. You might want to think about that this tax season.

1/23/2016 02:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Police Officers do not have any Constitutional Protections or any Civil Rights..IPRA's action is reminiscent of the KGB or the SS Gestapo...

1/23/2016 02:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's a fact! The 2 guys from 011 got notified of this. IPRA wanted phone records from 12 hours before through 12 hours after! So if I'm texting my wife or banker about some personal business, that's relivant? It's a witch hunt becuase they were made to look like the incompetent boobs that they are!

1/23/2016 03:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In violation of the new state law, we in the D-unit are being told to treat police shootings as "business as usual" unless it's a fatality, in which case IPRA is the lead investigator, and we just investigate the crime that was committed up to the police shooting that led to the fatality. Everything is so screwed up there is no written directive for any of us to fall back on. That's also in direct violation of the law. Best advice to all you officers is to turn off your microphones immediately after the shooting and once the dust has settled. The FOP should come out with an officers rights checklist so that every officer has one in case there is a shooting they will then know their rights, what they can and what they cannot do. Since there is no written directive on how to handle police shootings, everyone is just winging it. It's a hot mess right now. So be careful out there folks.

1/23/2016 03:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why isn't the FOP dealing with these issues?

1/23/2016 03:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should have your own lawyer on speed dial.

Remember, THE INTERNET IS FOREVER.

And your phone is the internet.

1/23/2016 04:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to carry a throw away phone?

1/23/2016 04:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, so if you are involved in a shooting with "hits", those are being investigated by the extremely trained(lol) ipra investigators. Shootings with no "hits" are still being investigated by us. If you are involved in a shooting my advice is to turn off your phone. Don't get tempted to text or call anyone from the scene other than a family member to let them know you are ok. One of us will call the FOP for you.
If you feel that there are things on your phone that you would not want brought up in court, then I would loose it asap. You can always get another one. My suggestion is that everyone stop by your local Walmart and pick up a tracphone, pay cash for it. Make sure to activate it from the phone itself and DO NOT use your computer or email address to register it. They are cheap and disposable if you know what I mean. If you have a real phone like at&t or sprint, cancel the service and have someone else register it in their name. Have a few numbers, one for work and such and a real one for family and friends only. Just be careful to keep the 2 separate. Learn to be like one of the low scumbag lawyers, they always have at least 2 phones on their person. Watch them at 26th and Cal and you will see them with several in their possession.

Stay safe and Fetal. per rahm.

Co Hanibal Smith
A-TEAM

1/23/2016 04:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trial lawyer here. The standard in civil discovery is "may lead to discoverable evidence.". In LaQuan's case we have a 911 call where the seargent asked to be called on his personal cell. So, if I had that case, I would argue that there is discoverable information taking place on such devices.

I would get it I bet.

Be smart. Never text. Obviously all photos go to the cloud. There are electronic fingerprints on every call. Want privacy? Face to face with someone who knows the score.

1/23/2016 05:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does this mean that the "investigators" from IPRA have a solid background in investigations? I checked on the background of some, and they seemed to be selling shoes before they got a political appointment. Does that qualify someone to investigate?

1/23/2016 05:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Calling your college counselor is that protected ?

1/23/2016 06:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

D unit here. Ipra is the lead investigator. General order floating around the d unit Is a clear violation of the new state law where we cannot be involved in our own agency's fatal police shooting.

1/23/2016 06:40:00 AM  
Blogger SpankDaddy said...

IPRA taking the lead? They can't investigate their way out of a paper bag.

1/23/2016 06:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC please ask that question to the Merit Sergeant who was kissing tlIPRAs asses and agreeing with everything they said during a presentation at thea academy. Good luck to the District that gets him.

1/23/2016 07:11:00 AM  
Blogger john said...

Phones are good for only one thing - Ordering Pizzas. Remember, locations can be traced, text messages can be recovered and obviously numbers can be traced, be careful when using a phone.

old retired guy

1/23/2016 07:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if there is a cpd rule that prohibits communicating work related information via cell phone during work hours? You hear people on radio telling each other "call me"? An attorney may argue you used it as part of your job which opens it to public scrutiny. Once they have access to the phone they will go through the all of it and use the information as fit. Ask the former mayor of Detroit if deleted texts are actually deleted.

1/23/2016 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm surprised it took this long to pull phone records.
For years I have been telling various bosses that request my cell number, for their convince, that I don't give my number out.
If the department wants me that quickly thay can issue me a phone.

I also tell the dispatcher any time I'm requested to call X with notifications, that I will comply when I get to the station.

Finally, get an iPhone and only text with other iPhone users, while at work, via Apple's proprietary iMessage.
iMessage encrypts the message even Apple, for now, cannot read them. iMessage by passes your cell providers servers thus taking them out of the equation.

1/23/2016 07:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IPRA is taking the lead on police involved shootings that involve a fatality. They get first crack at the witnesses, officers and so on instead of the dicks. They're allowed inside the red tape now and do a walk through but only with the ocic. They have to wait outside till the ocic gets there. I'm sure they will push the boundaries. Other shootings our dicks take the lead and ipra follow. They're considered an outside agency and since the law changed in January stating that an outside agency will investigate police related shooting deaths this is what it is. Bottom line is be smart, wait for the ocic, wait for the FOP and don't say shit till they get there. Remember your mic and cam is on and it seems no one I've talked to seems to know when to actually shut it off during a police involved shooting. One thing they agree on is once the ocic is on scene it all should be shut off before any walk throughs.

1/23/2016 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no justice in this world. We are doomed.

1/23/2016 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is part of new state law. A police shooting involving death is to be investigated by an agency other than whom the officers works

1/23/2016 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Changes to the use of force are coming soon. If encountering an armed offender, one is to fall back and seek cover. Retreat will be always the first option.

1/23/2016 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JUST A CITIZEN SAYS:
It seems that everyone forgot that LE are NOT the criminals and shouldn't be monitored as such.

1/23/2016 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ten Dollar drop phone from WalMart defeats the nonsense. Carry one for "emergencies".

1/23/2016 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is 100% true they got phone records of all the officer's on the scene and the officer's that were called by those officers, and it wasn't even a police shooting. It was a CR involving a good citizen (convicted felon) that beefed and sued because the citizen felt the citizen was wronged by the officers that arrested that citizen. This story is totally true guys and gals.

1/23/2016 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is why the department does not have my personal cell phone. They have my homeline which is a Vonage line and I give them that for the record and NOT MY CELL PHONE. When asked for my personal cell by a supv. or the station I give them my Google phone number. Give the department a Google phone number or/and your home number only. Nobody says you even have to have cell phone. Period. You just have to have a phone number. If your supv. or station calls that Google phone number it forwards to your cell phone and they will be none the wiser.

You can make outgoing calls from your Google phone number by first dialing the Google phone then dialing the phone number you wish to call. The recipient's caller ID will show your GOOGLE phone number when you call from your cell phone. Nobody will have a clue you even have a Google phone unless you tell them. A Google phone number will even forward text messages to your cell phone and you can respond from your phone OR you can respond via email (from your phone) which is what I do and it looks like it came from your GOOGLE cell phone. I do this so the carrier does not show a text to Google from your phone. The recipient will have no clue you replied via email so no trace to your cell phone. And you are not required to tell the department your email address either.

All you need is a Gmail account to do this which is free. The Google phone # is free too. You won't get a local 773 area code as these are the phone numbers the escort services use. They forward the Google phone to a TRACK phone. They make investigators hoop jump then they dump the number with the click of a mouse when the heat is on. You may have to get a foreign area code but does that matter in this day and age?

SO when the IPRA team asks for your CELL PHONE give them your legit CELL PHONE NUMBER. Hey that's what they asked for. Right? They will be none the wiser. The only way they will know about a Google phone number is IF YOUR DUMB ASS TELLS THEM. (My wife doesn't even know I have this.) If IPRA or IAD pulls your legit CELL phone records all they will see is you make calls to your Google phone number basically when you are at work. During any investigation period you can either dump that phone number with the click of a mouse or simply forward it to your wife's/husband or gay lover's phone and it will look like you're just calling your spouse from time to time. Or you can set if to a bogus message like it's now disconnected. "The number you have reached is no longer in service" or it can just ring endlessly like a hardline with no VM set up. Google has several options If they ask whose number it is just be creative as I was.

And your wife/gay lover won't even know you forwarded the phone number to them so if IPRA calls that Google number your wife will answer or your mom/sister or whoever who forward the number to. AGAIN IF IPRA/IAD ASKS FOR YOUR CELL PHONE GIVE THEM YOUR CELL PHONE since that's what they are asking for. LOL. There should be no questionable calls or texts for them to read if you are smart.

Let me just say this will out going into too many incriminating details. All I will say is it worked for me when "someone", from a three letter agency did some snooping a few years ago, oh, LOL again. Proof in the pudding as I'm still on the job as they were trying to prove an "affiliation" and couldn't seem to find those phone calls they were looking for. Oh and now the investigation and the SOL has now passed. So fuck you.

Just make sure you give other coppers your Google phone too. When I worked on a tac team we all called one another with G phone numbers and NOT our real cell phones especially when texting. If an investigator asks you for other coppers for your phone number you are under no obligation to give them another coppers phone. Tell them to ask that copper for his number and if you do give it out just give out the cell phone number.

1/23/2016 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh and by the way Metro PCS does not keep text messages and use a program to wipe your text messages.

1/23/2016 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IPRA investigators were required to take the
Lead Homicide and Death Investigator Certification
Course as required by Illinois State Statue, which
went into effect on 01 JAN 12.
The course is a week long and was
given at the CPD academy.
The IPRA investigators were given a separate
Weeklong class, as there was a recertification
class being held for present detectives.
Some investigators from Cook County
M. E.'s were also present.
Several Sgts. from IAD were present in the
detectives class.
I don't think it's anything to worry about.

1/23/2016 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IPRA is not your friend. Be warned.

1/23/2016 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Illinois recognized union-member privilege but guess who doesn't? Feds ...should be an attorney on every damn shooting scene..or better yet, no more shooting scenes! Stay fetal!!

1/23/2016 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a retired Chicago Police Sergeant.This taking of cell phone records is a Common Practice in litigation against the police. As far back as 8 years ago, before I retired one of my officers got into a situation where someone died while struggling with police and this turned into a Wrongful Death case. Based on the premise that there was a delay in seeking medical attention for the deceased, the attorneys for the estate sought and obtained ALL of the cellphone records of every officer on the scene, including me, and I was not even physically at the scene. The premise for obtaining my records was to see if the officers requested an ambulance, or if I their Sgt.told them to request an ambulance, thus denying plaintiff proper medical assistance until instructed to do so by me. Though they did not have the content of the calls, they balanced the time of the calls against the radio transmissions, which they had obtained from the City. Unfortunately, eventually the City settled, but personally we all felt, and I am not joking here, "violated" that these Bottom Feeding Attorneys could take our phone records on a whim, or fishing expedition. So everyone needs to understand clearly, the court will issue an order without hesitation and the phone companies will NOT RESIST releasing your phone records. This is a common tactic among private law firms, and that is why they ask your cell phone number at depositions. So if Bottom Feeders are using the technique, why would you believe IPRA or IAD are not doing the same thing? Baby"G"

1/23/2016 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last I checked just recently, SCOTUS has ruled 9 to 0, that a search warrant is needed prior to looking into any private cell phones and the records contained within the service!

Since, the Chicago Police Dept. did NOT issue, and NOT pay for my cell phone services, the Chicago Police Dept. really needs to show strong "Probable Cause", in order to get a "search warrant", to look at my private cell phone records, which may contain private family communications, private communications among friends and private business, which does not belong to the city!

Don't be bullied on this bullshit issue by the City, IPRA, Alder-creatures, Slime Politicians, Store Front Reverends, etc.

Show me proof in writing of any alleged wrong doing and a search warrant signed off by a U.S. Federal judge, since communications is considered interstate commerce because you can have cell phone calls from across the country and world, for example: Aunt B in California, or Uncle Johnny from the country of England!

I will need it for my United States Federal, Civil Rights lawsuit!

Any Constitutional Lawyers want to opine on this issue?

I really would like a seven figure paycheck settlement from the City of Chicago over this!

These crooked politicians think they are so smart! Just like the "Quota" mandates for VRI that is going to blow up in their faces!

1/23/2016 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These so called investigators better bring formal charges, including arrest before doing this,

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/us/supreme-court-cellphones-search-privacy.html?_r=0

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/25/supreme-court-cellphone-search-privacy-arrest/10025923/

http://time.com/2921211/supreme-court-cell-phone-police-search-digital-privacy/

Going up to me at a crime scene just because I was there and ordering me to give up my cell phone, will invite a jackpot $$$$$$ for me and believe me, I WILL throw the city under the bus!

1/23/2016 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our understanding is IPRA will be allowed onto the scene with the Deputy only. IPRA will be allowed to interview the Officer involved in the shootin after 24 hrs. However, IPRA will have immediate access to partners, witnesses etc and can direct that items/locations be photograhed or inventoried.IPRA will not be the lead investigator, but will part of the investigation from the start.

1/23/2016 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FEDS will look at your phone anyway. Communicate in person, don't send any texts or photos.

1/23/2016 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a recent shooting they subpoenaed and were granted access to the phone, 12 hours before and 12 hours after the incident.
How the fuck do they get 12 hours before, total BS.!!!!

1/23/2016 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you get a "warrant" for a phone or text records? Warrants are for people. Subpoenas are for records.

1/23/2016 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The entire thing with IPRA investigating shootings is fucked up. They have no idea what they are doing. Evidence will be handled by incompetents. Even the people writing the order are clueless and knowingly violating state law.

1/23/2016 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know about the rumor, but I worked a police shooting before explaining what occurred to IPRA ... I can't see them taking the lead honestly

1/23/2016 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...





It rings true. But even if it isn't, the advice is good.

If you use any personal devices for ANYTHING connected with work, the device is subject inspection and search pursuant to court order.

In other words, use your phone once for any work communication with a coworker, both of the phones can be seized for a data dump.

Best practice: keep strict separation of work and personal (devices, email accounts, social media, etc.)

1/23/2016 10:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And speaking of rumors, anyone from the D-Unit want to comment on the one where IPRA is taking the lead on police shootings now? Again, we'd imagine that that would negate large portions of Contractual protections, meaning there better be a lawyer out on every shooting prior to IPRA's arrival.

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No general order out yet. If offender is not dead, investigation is basically same as before. If offender is dead, dets investigates up to right before officers pulls the trigger. IPRA takes it from there. So, if jagoff is robbing someone and PO shoots bad guy, we investigate circumstances leading up to actual shooting. Then IPRA takes it from there-God help us.

Any disagreements are to be settled by their director and our commanding officer in charge. This will probably change five times before this is published.

1/23/2016 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, if you are texting and sending pictures of stuff that is questionable then you are stupid. So many police officers love to text and even send pictures. What the fuck are you thinking? Is it appropriate to send pictures of Obama that can be construed as racist. I'll let you on the job lawyers figure that one out.

Also separately I don't know what the big fascination with Facebook amongst coppers is. I really don't. Let's face it, coppers are opinionated. Plus they like to talk about politics, current affairs, etc. A lot of the things copper say and post about on Facebook is going to haunt them in the future. Just do your eight hours and then get a life outside of this job.

1/23/2016 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In violation of the new state law, we in the D-unit are being told to treat police shootings as "business as usual" unless it's a fatality, in which case IPRA is the lead investigator, and we just investigate the crime that was committed up to the police shooting that led to the fatality. Everything is so screwed up there is no written directive for any of us to fall back on. That's also in direct violation of the law. Best advice to all you officers is to turn off your microphones immediately after the shooting and once the dust has settled. The FOP should come out with an officers rights checklist so that every officer has one in case there is a shooting they will then know their rights, what they can and what they cannot do. Since there is no written directive on how to handle police shootings, everyone is just winging it. It's a hot mess right now. So be careful out there folks.
1/23/2016 03:07:00 AM

The above writer is absolutely correct. There is no Detective Special Order out on this as of yet. First off, it is a violation of the new State Law. Secondly, the crime the offender committed cannot be separated from the shooting. The investigation is intertwined. You can't say Detectives investigate up to this point and stop. Who has first dibs on interviewing witnesses, victims, and offenders? Its a hot mess. Wait till the police shooting fatality family members sue the City and the Police for violating the new State Law in addition to wrongful death.

Per the new State Law, we should not be investigating a police fatality. That includes Detectives and Forensic Investigators.

1/23/2016 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seeing how, per Rahm, IPRA starts off handling police involved shootings now and won't even let CPD detectives get involved until IPRA is done doing their digging.... then this doesn't really seem like too far of a stretch.
We are being treated like the enemy and our rights seem nonexistent.
The thug has way more rights than we do.
It's a terribly sad, twisted and disgusting time to be a police officer.

1/23/2016 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would not be all that hard for the city to make a new rule that only city issued cell phones could be carried while on duty unless the employee voluntarily agrees upfront to allow access to the records if the city wants them.

If you have a city issued phone, I doubt there is a need for a subpoena at all.

It seems pretty common these days for judges to issue subpoenas for cell phone records on some of the flimsiest premises, so even if a subpoena is needed it won't be hard to come by.

NAC

1/23/2016 11:45:00 AM  
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1/23/2016 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger O W WILSON said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why isn't the FOP dealing with these issues?

1/23/2016 03:42:00 AM

????

I believe they have been. This was brought up at the last two meetings. Is your unit attending meetings and coming back to their unit and explain what's going on? If he or she is not time to get a new unit rep.

Call FOP. Do not call / text anyone else! Ensure the other officers on the scene are doing the same. End of story.

1/23/2016 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...
How do you get a "warrant" for a phone or text records? Warrants are for people. Subpoenas are for records.

1/23/2016 10:26:00 AM

Hey this is from the law review. You might learn something


Therefore, the Court found that police must generally get a warrant before looking through an arrestee’s cell phone data (including texts, photos, videos, contacts, etc).


1/23/2016 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Happened to me. However, the only thing that can be used in court, from your phone, is anything directly related to the incident itself. I was told there is a time frame. Off color jokes, pics, etc really aren't a big deal. The whole idea of this is to show that you, as an officer, had intent on shooting someone as depicted in a text that states "I'm gonna shoot a motherfucker tonight". If that is on your phone, you might be fucked. Again, this is what I was told by the person representing myself and my place of employment. I'm certInly no expert. I got extremely nervous when I found out they were going to subpoena my phone records. Not because the incident was "bad". I was worried about texts I had recvd and sent that had absolutely nothing to do with the incident. That when our attorneys stated the above.

1/23/2016 02:00:00 AM

Did you ever hear of Mark Fuhrman of the O J Simpson trial?

1/23/2016 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
It is part of new state law. A police shooting involving death is to be investigated by an agency other than whom the officers works

1/23/2016 07:47:00 AM

Yes, but isn't it supposed to be another LAW ENFORCEMENT agency? If so, IPRA doesn't qualify.

1/23/2016 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmm....so the rights you make sure every criminal in town enjoys, do not extend to the police?
All they have to do is ask for a warrant, and they get it? If this is true, I got to ask, "Why the hell does anyone work at CPD anymore?"

J.J.

1/23/2016 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous THE CELLPHONE RUMOR IS TRUE said...

The cellphone rumors are true. I was sued and they got my personal phone records. This has become a standard of practice for Lovey and Lovey and I'm sure will become the norm from other parasite law groups. They inentionally throw in the allegation of conspiracy which in the Federal circuit opens the doors for any and all means of communication from defendants. Federal judges are allowing them to subpoena your personal records inclusive of phone calls, text messages and email.They always try to get everything your phone was used for from the date of the incident through the days after the trial, inclusive of off duty time, but the judges are allowing your lawyers to reduce the scope of that search to include the date of the incident and a few days after it and the week or so before and after the trial. Dont worry about deleting messages and photos, they never take possession of your phone, they subpoena your carrier and pull it all off the server. Everything your phone has seen sent and received is stored on that server indefinately, so deleting it from your device is pointless. All that does is keep a snooping husband or wife off your ass until their divorce attorney subpoenas the same records that Lovey and Lovey and their ilk get. So yes it is true, it is becoming common practice for police/authority hating lawyers and law groups to further intentionally harass us by demanding to scour our private property in their quest to burn us and make themselves rich in the process.

1/23/2016 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They do this already for auto accident's, where's the Union(fop) on this???????????

1/23/2016 12:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

u need a drop-phone now?

1/23/2016 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wickr app

1/23/2016 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's 2016, if you're not smarter than a dealer to get a burner phone than hit yourself in the head with a hammer, because you're a retard.

1/23/2016 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very true. If you are involved in a OIS and the criminal suffers a fatal wound and there is no further criminal charges, IPRA will be the lead investigators. If you are involved in a OIS and a criminal prosecution will take place, i.e. you shoot at offender and he lives, there are multiple offenders and charges will follow, no hits, etc., CPD det's will handle those investigations. My only advice is to be aware of cameras (in car and body) and be careful what you say on the scene. Have another P.O or supervisor call your family to assure them you are ok. Stay off your phone. And, for the love of God, don't take pics of the bad guy and send them around. FOP, PBPA, etc have no say over this as this is State Law gone into effect Jan 1st, 2016 stating that no agency will conduct their own investigations of OIS's where a fatality has occurred and no other charges/suspects are being sought. All other rules apply. You still have the allotted time prior to making a statement and the walk through with the OCIC still remains. Just be mindful that a fatal police shooting puts IPRA inside the red tape so all P.O's should be mindful of what they say!!! As always, be safe and back each other up. Everything else is secondary


1/23/2016 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As they say in the submarine service "Run silent, run deep."

1/23/2016 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
How do you get a "warrant" for a phone or text records? Warrants are for people. Subpoenas are for records.

1/23/2016 10:26:00 AM

No Perry Mason, you are wrong! A search warrant may be obtained to download the contents of a cellular telephone. You must have missed a couple days of law school.

1/23/2016 02:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The phone thing is true...we were warned at the academy, no phone usage on any scene that ipra is running. Ipra will get all phones, dash cams, mic, from anyone in a gps area. Heard that from ipra supervisor. Dont forget..this is all in state law. State law suprcedes any policy.

1/23/2016 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When ipra controls the scene. They will be assisted by the ET on scene regarding what evidence to collect. Isnt that nice. And ipra can also tell the ET what additional things they want collected as evidence. This is gonna be funny. ET's are now Ipra's FTO.....lol

1/23/2016 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

FEDS will look at your phone anyway. Communicate in person, don't send any texts or photos.

1/23/2016 10:02:00 AM

Anything found without a search warrant and without formal charges is NO GOOD and a civil rights violation!

SO Fuck OFF!

1/23/2016 03:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With all the changes over the last 2 to 3 years. I lost interest as tact team member and I'm am know manning a beat. The decision reduced the Stress Level in my Life. With all the nonsense in the last 6 month, I'm starting to lose interest in D-Unit, if my number comes up from the last.
The Greatest Show on Earth is the "Circus Courts of Crook County". The Liberal Media, our twice Elected Liberal Mayor, these "50" Elected Alderman with felony convictions in their backgrounds, the Reveruns also with felony convictions in their background, that Catholic Priest Father Faker who someday stand before Judgement, the Silent from the Catholic Church on so many issues, Even the current Pope is afraid to put a GaG-Order on Father Faker. All of these institutions continue to speak and makes it some like the Police is responsible for the 2015 Homicide rate in Chicago.
The Police didn't coin the term "Chiraq". The Police did not Murder 500 taxpaying citizens. The Police are under investigation for maybe 15 or 20 out of 500. And yes, there are 2 or 3 that there is video footage that raises a lot of questions, but that's why we have the Circus Courts.
So, America...that leaves about 480 Homicides that someone is responsible for. It sure isn't the Police. Who can it be. Well, if your not the Police then it will be you the citizens of the City of Chicago.
When I watch the news and some tragic event happens its Sad. But at some point a Terrorist Group comes forward and takes responsibility for it.
When the Police are involve in a tragic event, there's an investigation by the police, by IPRA, by the liberal Media, and Jack, Jill, Dick and Mary.
I would like to see someone with a Pair of Balls, create a independent unit to investigate you the citizen over the 480 Homicides. I want the same kind of Energy, Effort, Media Coverage, Outrage, Protesting and Changing of the Laws over night.
Anybody care to comment.

1/23/2016 03:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really hope officers begin to take safeguard on how they conduct themselves during investigations.
The days of i did not see anything are gone.
The gps on the car shows where your vehicle is all day.
The camera is recording all those weird things your relate to your partner.
Your cell phone is tracking every call you make and text.
You google program on your phone is tracking you by GPS also.

If your partner doe not fire his weapon do you honestly think he will not give up your phone number???

Your shakey exempt who asks for info will not ever file any paper on the case but will want copies you made while logged into the computer.
Your Sergeant who loves to give order will suddenly back up after a shooting and say he is in charge of nothing!

Nobody will be in a rush to show you any video of the incident and act like you are a prisoner in a cell.

The guys who came on the scene afterward will be pissed they have to be on paper because the blue light cameras have them their wandering around.

So nothing to worry about the FOP lodge 7 thinks the cameras were a great idea. Little did they know the FOIA monster has been unleashed.

1/23/2016 03:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WE HAVE NO RIGHTS... I am not saying we deserve special treatment, but can we at least be afforded constitutional rights! NOW GO GET SOME ISR's

1/23/2016 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Real Simple, use a burner phone at work and have another phone for your own personal use.
You moron f'ng clowns that call the sarge on your phone everyday, well mf'rs those days are over.

1/23/2016 03:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Show me proof in writing of any alleged wrong doing and a search warrant signed off by a U.S. Federal judge, since communications is considered interstate commerce because you can have cell phone calls from across the country and world, for example: Aunt B in California, or Uncle Johnny from the country of England!

I will need it for my United States Federal, Civil Rights lawsuit!

Any Constitutional Lawyers want to opine on this issue?

I really would like a seven figure paycheck settlement from the City of Chicago over this!"

Ha,Ha,Ha That's a good one. Let me now how that works out you, meanwhile I'd like a Vente Machiatto with skim milk, Barista.

1/23/2016 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You need a warrant to search the phone or a subpoena for records. Give em a prepaid phone. Very easy to hide these days. With all of the call forwarding apps you can remain anonymous no problem.

1/23/2016 03:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Why isn't the FOP dealing with these issues?

1/23/2016 03:42:00 AM


Hey now, stop it!!! Fishing tournaments and picnics don't just plan themselves, now.

1/23/2016 03:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


How do you get a "warrant" for a phone or text records? Warrants are for people. Subpoenas are for records.

1/23/2016 10:26:00 AM

________________________________________________________________________
I'm typing a search warrant for phone right now, but taking a break on SCC. We are getting everything on it including the idiot's Facebook posts. If your a cop, for the love of God, get rid of Facebook right now.

1/23/2016 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Search warrants can be for the content of phones. I know this because I was the affiant for the search warrant. Just saying

1/23/2016 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember you have chest pains and need to go to the hospital. Think people.

1/23/2016 04:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't understand how any cop out there is gonna be willing to put his freedom and his pay check on the line to do anything proactive right now. Someone out there is gonna be the first guy to get fired or jailed for filling out a form the wrong way or for some other minor infraction which the asshole fuckers running this city and country decide was a violation of some gang bangers civil rights. Let these fuckers kill the fuck out of each other. If you have probable cause to arrest someone go ahead and do it. Understand what the fuck probable cause is. If you are just reasonable suspicious wait, think, and leave. The fuckers in the terry stop case walked past the window over 20 times before the cop stopped them. Who the fuck is gonna wait that long read the fucking case. Learn something. Understand what society is asking you to do before you run out and do shit and understand just how high they are placing the bar. Don't be the first cop from CPD to go to jail for civil rights violations, Rule 14 violations or crashing a car after a chase was terminated.

1/23/2016 04:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ridiculously and sadly it's true.... under Rahm's direction.

1/23/2016 05:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you get a "warrant" for a phone or text records? Warrants are for people. Subpoenas are for records.

1/23/2016 10:26:00 AM


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Uh, no.

Warrants can be for ANY materials. And when someone has a warrant for your phone data they will get EVERYTHING. They will get a data dump off your phone and look through everything; they will also look for deleted material; and they will get all of the records and data trails that exist off site, in the Cloud, your phone company's server or your hard drive.

1/23/2016 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...







Use smoke signals or semaphore.

1/23/2016 05:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure if I want to bother sticking around for 20. Nuts. To. This.

1/23/2016 05:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember Rahm's been hitting various districts on his "I got your back" tour.... so we got that going for us.!

1/23/2016 05:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cannot see how anyone or any organization can investigate a potential criminal matter without being properly trained, tested and qualified to do so. It seems that the politicians will do whatever they want until they are challenged in the Courts. There really needs to be a challenge brought to the city by the FOP and other law enforcement agencies. If we do not fight for these rights then all will be lost. Stripping and crippling law enforcement agencies from enforcing the laws will lead to anarchy. I'm still of the opinion that LaQuan was 100 percent responsible for his own demise. If some copper told me to stop and drop the knife...I would have. But then again...I'm a reasonable man. Guess there are separate laws and points of view if you are that special privileged class that are never deemed racist and take out more than they will ever contribute in a positive way to society.

1/23/2016 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC please ask that question to the Merit Sergeant who was kissing tlIPRAs asses and agreeing with everything they said during a presentation at thea academy. Good luck to the District that gets him.

1/23/2016 07:11:00 AM

That was the most useful two hours of the last 6 weeks. So....shut the fuck up. Give credit where credit is due.

1/23/2016 05:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's becoming... Don't shoot anyone, you are a hero if you end up getting shot.

1/23/2016 06:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't talk to these people period. "I want a lawyer" is the only thing you should say. They are not the police and they are not your boss. Do not give them your cell phone number or any other information. It doesn't matter what your role is, do not talk to IPRA. Give your statement one time to the first supervisor on the scene and then shut up and don't cooperate further. These investigations have now become adversarial and these people are not your friends. FOP? Where are you? Crickets again.

1/23/2016 06:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think general orders state you have to give a statement to the FIRST supervisor on scene, that's it. After that lawyer up. Don't say shit. Request counsel before you speak to anyone else. Request transport to hospital due to shortness of breath and turn off your phone. Power down. If they going to treat us like criminals time to Lawyer up like criminals. With all the audio and video let them tell you what happened, 24 hours later.

1/23/2016 12:53:00 AM

This comment is pretty scary especially since you should know what orders are pertinent during a police shooting and what your contractual rights are. Both are available on line and for those of you that have never been in one you will probably have to go to the hospital because you are dizzy and have shortness of breath due to such a stressfull incident... wink wink

1/23/2016 07:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burner phone app solves this issue

1/23/2016 07:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No government agency can take your property including your cell phone without a warrant under the 4th amendment regardless if you are the police or not.

1/23/2016 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The wizards of HQ and City Hall haven't quite figured the technical aspects as of yet, but talk was to start a new D-Unit assigned to IPRA /IAD to be the "investigatory eyes" of the one-sided liberal movement formed under the DOJ.
But what is clear is that WE the Police are now the criminal when it comes to enforcing the law that involved Deadly Force.
Same is going to apply to those pimpy UUW arrests that will lead into the False Arrest suits.
Your personal electronic life will become part of the the investigation. THEY are looking to hammer you.
This is not a conspiracy theory, make no joke about it. They are looking at all inconsistencies and for lies.
The days of flamboyant arrests are over ....DO YOU GET THE MESSAGE ?
Why are there still coppers out there chasing folks for the thrill of the arrest or glamour of the tactical team?
Allow IPRA to determine your destiny and you will be strung up and whipped to no end. And Fired.
Being Fetal is a guarantee to around on the 1st & 16th.

1/23/2016 08:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you ever hear of a "Search Warrant' stupid that is for a house, car, business , safe, apartment, locker etc
An "Arrest Warrant" is a court order to take someone into custody !
A subpoena can be for records or people to appear in court.
A subprime duces tecum means to appear in court and "Bring shit with you"
Got it merit boy!

1/23/2016 08:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Fyi if you claim your cell phone on your taxes, those phone records become public record during the time you were on duty. You might want to think about that this tax season.

1/23/2016 02:59:00 AM

Good point. Also, the number that you report to the department, utility bills, medical bills, etc are all discoverable. Get a prepaid phone. Less than $100 per year. Claim it, update it with the city and use it wisely. Even though there is no name attached to it. At least there won't be any addresses or personal contacts on it. In a case they do take the phone it's a cheap plastic thing with no internet nor will there be bills with personal information. Much harder to track and get a search warrant for. Please try not to keep anything in your name. Stay fetal.

1/23/2016 09:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi SCC, saw this on facebook, and wanted to share as all of you may benefit from this, not computer savvy enough to add a link but I can copy and paste...
from SURVIVE the STREETS: A page for COPS (on facebook)



Survive the Streets: A Page for Cops

On December 15, 2015, Officer Michael Bridell of the Birmingham (AL) Police Department took his own life. Five days later, we received this message from his wife, Detective Angie Bridell of the same department:

Hello.

My name is Angie Bridell. I'm a narcotics detective with the Birmingham Police Department in Alabama. My husband recently committed suicide. He was also a police officer for Birmingham. I was wondering if you guys could share a few links for suicide prevention or maybe hotline numbers. I don't know if there are any specific for police officers, but I just don't want this to happen to anyone else.

My husband was such an amazing man. He was so loved by his friends and family. His name is Michael Bridell. Please help me honor him by spreading the word that there are people out there who can help in any situation. I'm sorry this is out of the blue, but I read everything on this Facebook page and have seen some things that have helped me before.

Thank you.
- Angie Bridell

After receiving her message, we honored her request and wrote a post about her husband. A few days ago, we learned that Angie committed suicide herself. We were absolutely heartbroken to hear of her death. Over the last few days I have struggled with whether or not to post this message, but in the end I feel like not posting it would be doing Angie a disservice. She wanted other officers to get the help they need. Please, if you need help contact Under the Shield Foundation or Safe Call Now. There is help available. All you have to do is reach out.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the Bridell family, and the Birmingham Police Department. We can't imagine your pain. Rest in peace, Mike and Angie.

1/23/2016 09:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A search warrant is NOT required to obtain phone records. Records are sought and released in matters as benign as a dissolution of marriage. (Divorce)

1/23/2016 09:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A search warrant is NOT required to obtain phone records. Records are sought and released in matters as benign as a dissolution of marriage, (Divorce) or child custody cases. And as I said earlier, my records and all of my officers phone records were obtained. So cite your Supreme Court case, and what somebody else said is correct: A Subpoena is required for records, not a Search Warrant. "G"

1/23/2016 09:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You need a search warrant to view texts or a computer

1/23/2016 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, considering we are seen and treated like second class citizens this does not suprise me... Even though the public loves to claim how corrupt and power crazy we are and laws "don't apply to is"... For once the public is right, when it comes to police officers the public and politicians forget that police officers are granted the same protections from the constitution than every other American citizen... Just because we are the police doesn't mean that we lose protections that the constitution grants every other American citizen.. This country is doomed. 250+ shot in 23 days. Almost 40 murders in 23 days, 5 pending death investigations and 4 shooting victims in hospitals who are on respirators in comas who may or may not live... I am an officer with 12 years on. I have about 2000 arrests and consider myself an active police officer who does a good job. In all those arrests I have gained 1 citizen complaint... Yes, one... That's it. 12 years, 2000 arrests and lord knows how many other interactions with community members, victims, suspects, witnesses, offenders yada,yada,yada and one person has complained about me. Now trust me I am not trying to pat myself on the back, make myself look like a star etc... I do have a point. The point is that I am done. I consider myself, like hundreds or even thousands of other police officers in Chicago who go to work everyday and work hard and don't do what the media and reverends claim we "always" do are done working. We are not going to arrest gang members anymore.. We are not going to arrest dope dealers.. We are not going to stop them, we are not going to disperse them from corners, drug spots and away from churches and schools. We are done. We are not going after guys with warrants, recovering guns or going that extra mile to find out who that robbery offender is. Yes as the new saying goes we are staying fetal... We are not doing anything. I'm sorry citizens, but unfortunately you will have to fend for yourselves. It truly does pain me to say that. I took this job for the right reasons, I can no longer effectively help the community in any way. Let sharpton, Jackson, loevy and loevy and the people's law office help you all... By the way, they are all multi millionaires who don't live in impoverished high crime areas.. They just use you as pawns for their own agenda and for a nice pay day. Good luck all. We will not work. Nobody will make us work and today you have lost a good police officer and a lot of good police officers. Spring and summer will be brutal. Good luck and to the citizens who are caught in the middle of it all, I am sorry, I really really am. It makes me very sad and down to think about it. We know many good people who live in the worst neighborhoods and it feels like leaving you on an island but for my future and freedom it must be this way. Good luck

1/23/2016 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think general orders state you have to give a statement to the FIRST supervisor on scene, that's it. After that lawyer up. Don't say shit. Request counsel before you speak to anyone else. Request transport to hospital due to shortness of breath and turn off your phone. Power down. If they going to treat us like criminals time to Lawyer up like criminals. With all the audio and video let them tell you what happened, 24 hours later.


&&&&&&&

Go to the hospital. If you feel your heart racing, tight chest and shortness of breath from the very dynamic situation you should go to the hospital. No statements can be taken while in a medically declined state and while under a doctors preliminary care. Only after a doctor has fully examined and cleared you can you make any statements... This includes supervisors, ipra etc. better safe than sorry, request an ambulance for yourself, don't speak too much as you are having shortness of breath and have somebody contact the fop.. Te fop and det will get to you first before anyone else.

1/23/2016 11:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
How do you get a "warrant" for a phone or text records? Warrants are for people. Subpoenas are for records.

1/23/2016 10:26:00 AM

_______________________

I hope that you are not a police officer because you do not understand neither of the terms.

Signed,

An Academy Ranger

1/23/2016 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Android phones have native encryption. However that is only as good as your password, so 12 digits minimum. You need to turn the phone off to establish the encryption lock, sleep mode doesn't do it; if you're stressed and can't remember the password, that's unfortunate.

1/24/2016 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't bs yourself. Those records are recoverable from both the senders and recipient phones as well as the carrier. As previously stated, you are not required to have a cell phone. If someone asks for your number, tell them you don't have one. You want me Sarge/Desk/ whomever? Use the radio. If you gave it out already contact your provider and change the number. Give the number to your wife/husband/parent/GF/BF/kids. That's it. If you must communicate, use the radio and watch what you say.And stop taking pictures of every fucking thing.

Another old Retired Sgt.

1/24/2016 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IPRA is taking the lead on police involved shootings that involve a fatality. They get first crack at the witnesses, officers and so on instead of the dicks. They're allowed inside the red tape now and do a walk through but only with the ocic. They have to wait outside till the ocic gets there. I'm sure they will push the boundaries. Other shootings our dicks take the lead and ipra follow. They're considered an outside agency and since the law changed in January stating that an outside agency will investigate police related shooting deaths this is what it is. Bottom line is be smart, wait for the ocic, wait for the FOP and don't say shit till they get there. Remember your mic and cam is on and it seems no one I've talked to seems to know when to actually shut it off during a police involved shooting. One thing they agree on is once the ocic is on scene it all should be shut off before any walk throughs.

1/23/2016 07:32:00 AM
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Too bad according to the Illinois Police Training Act in order to take the Lead Homicide Investigator class you MUST BE A SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, last time I checked IPRA is an administrative INDEPENDENT CIVILLIAN ORGANIZATION!!!!'m

1/24/2016 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IPRA investigators were required to take the
Lead Homicide and Death Investigator Certification
Course as.............#####
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Per Illinois law and the state Police Training Board in order to be lead homicide trained you must be the sworn police, and in order to work fatal officer involved shootings you must b lead homicide certified....how are we going to let civillians handle chain of custody on evidence??

1/24/2016 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excuse me but I have some bad news for you. I have read many of the post on this subject saying what you should or should not do. But there are several issues that not one poster has mentioned: If you get subpoenaed to appear before either a Federal or State Grand Jury and you are asked about whether or not you have a cell phone, or did you use a cell phone just after you shot Tyrone? What are you going to do? Are you going to commit perjury and hope the Investigative Agency (Grand Jury) does not find out about your cell phone or your Track Phone or your Google phone number. Go in front of a Federal Grand Jury or a Cook County Grand Jury and commit perjury and get caught and see what happens to you. The same questions also is relative to a deposition you might have to take. Take it from someone who came on the job, was a Homicide Detective prior to cell phones, DO NOT TALK ON A CELL PHONE PERIOD. If you are involved in a shooting follow the General Orders pertaining to this subject. If you have to give any statement to anyone then make it short and to the point. An example can be, On today's date and at approximately 2130 hr I responded to a radio all call of a " " at 6100 S Green St. Upon my arrival I encountered a male subject who was " " Describe the maneuver, movement, behavior, or conduct. End your statement with something like the following: Because of this person's actions I felt that I had reasons grounds to believe that my life and/or my partners life was in immediate danger of death and/or great bodily harm. Because of this reasonable belief I had to use the force necessary to stop this person from committing great bodily harm and/or death to myself and/or my partner. Again, do not TALK ON A PHONE. The second issue that no one has mentioned are Police Street Camera's or PODS. Not only do you have to worry about dash camera's but also the pods on the light poles or any other public video camera's. On of the first things IPRA does it looks to see if there are any Pods located near the scene of the incident. You might think that you are not in the viewing area of the dash cameras but who is to say that you are not in the viewing area of one of the Police Pods. Don't forget about any private video cameras. (In the VanDyke Shooting wasn't there a issue about a Burger King Video. I am not talking about whether or not the tape was erased, I am talking about that there was a private video and it was looked at.) What poster 1/23/16 8:21 posted is true. It is good advice and one should take it into consideration. However, my question is: are you going to roll the dice and commit perjury? That is a question only you can answer. I am just giving food for thought. One last thing, remember short to the point. Talk to your FOP Representative or Attorney before any lengthy questioning.

1/24/2016 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"iMessage encrypts the message even Apple, for now, cannot read them. iMessage by passes your cell providers servers thus taking them out of the equation."

Oh, please. One phone call from one person metaphorically waving a court order, and Apple would provide those messages in a split second. NO message is secure.

I don't mean this as a slam to you guys and gals, but, the "law and order" types pleaded for years to dig through records and tap phones easier than they could before. Now, all of that is here. Legislators in several states are now pushing bills that would allow you (law enforcement) to search phones with no warrant or probable cause.

Like those of us us who are not in law enforcement, you have to learn how to work around the problem.

- Not in Law Enforcement

1/24/2016 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the guy with 12 years, 2000 arrests, and 1 complaint; you're either full of shit or the luckiest cop to ever put on the uniform.

1/24/2016 01:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get a Google voice number. Google does not even keep records of who the number is assigned too. I have sent subpoenas for Google numbers and got zero info back.

1/24/2016 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
How do you get a "warrant" for a phone or text records? Warrants are for people. Subpoenas are for records.

1/23/2016 10:26:00 AM

I guess you don't know the difference between an ARREST WARRANT and a SEARCH WARRANT. You need to get a little more experience on the job before you speak. If you want to go physically looking through someone's phone you need a SEARCH WARRANT. If you want to look at a record of their incoming and outgoing calls and texts you need a SUBPOENA which is served to the phone carrier. An ARREST WARRANT is issued by a judge based on probable cause and allows you to physically arrest the person it was issued for. Understand now junior?

1/24/2016 01:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The beatings will continue until moral improves!

1/24/2016 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As long as they conduct their investigations with the same skill and knowledge that they investigated Glen Evans with we will have no problem.

1/24/2016 08:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The department can resolve this problem quickly if they issue all department members cell phones as part of their required equipment. I had twk assigned phones when I worked in organized crime. We need them to conduct police business and make on scene calls to different agencies and departments for notification. I have had many victims have me call a loved one or ask to make a call from my phone. Why should we have to use our own phones.

1/24/2016 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
How do you get a "warrant" for a phone or text records? Warrants are for people. Subpoenas are for records.

1/23/2016 10:26:00 AM

_______________________

I hope that you are not a police officer because you do not understand neither of the terms.

Signed,

An Academy Ranger

1/23/2016 11:44:00 PM

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Well Academy Ranger, It has been said many times that the academy is the dumping ground for the rejects of the job. It is a place to hide people who are connected and cannot survive on the job because they are too incompetent and retarded. And here is proof that the academy is housing the retarded and the rejects.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/1270986/chicagp-police-with-multiple-complaints-taught-at-police-academy

Yes, that is a picture of the academy. So you can take your diploma mill masters degree in police theory and use it to clean something.

1/24/2016 12:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't mean this as a slam to you guys and gals, but, the "law and order" types pleaded for years to dig through records and tap phones easier than they could before. Now, all of that is here. Legislators in several states are now pushing bills that would allow you (law enforcement) to search phones with no warrant or probable cause.

Like those of us us who are not in law enforcement, you have to learn how to work around the problem.

- Not in Law Enforcement

1/24/2016 01:33:00 AM


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Utter bullshit. All state laws will have to comply with federal constitutional law, which is trending toward making police searches of phones harder....and yes, requires a warrant.


Go away, hippy.

1/24/2016 05:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the guy with 12 years, 2000 arrests, and 1 complaint; you're either full of shit or the luckiest cop to ever put on the uniform.

1/24/2016 01:39:00 AM

I had 30 years, one arrest, and 2000 cr's for lack of service. I still don't know how I got that one arrest. I think I made the mistake of being number two car on the scene and got put into box two.

1/24/2016 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They can look at our phone, but we can't look at assholes whom just robbed someone.

1/25/2016 06:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Gran Torino said...

Awwww shit...do I have to worry about all boo boo naughty texts that they may see...

1/26/2016 03:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the Bridell family, and the Birmingham Police Department. We can't imagine your pain. Rest in peace, Mike and Angie.
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This is so tragic beyond any reasoning. Please all, there is a help out there if you are even thinking of taking your own life. May God bless all the poor souls that ended their lives. This is so sad to even read about these two great L E officers from Birmingham.

1/26/2016 06:16:00 PM  

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