VRI Quotas....Gone?
Seems the feds frown upon what we (and everyone else) called "quotas:"
- No More "VRI Quotas"
It turns out someone on the Chicago Police Department realized that requiring a certain amount of arrests, tickets, contact cards (Now ISRs) are a QUOTA.
YES!! Illegal by federal law.
Since the Feds have come to town, someone's balls shrunk up in them and they have been dropped.
You can now sign up for VRI regardless of activity.
Word from some people is the entire "rating system" database has been seized/recorded/preserved because the feds want to know about why all these numbers were being tracked on an individual basis if there isn't any "quota" purpose.
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posted by SCC at 12:33 AM
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For that matter there shouldn't be a checkoff sheet where cops have to write down their activity at the end of every shift. That's a form of tracking activity. There's no quotas so why are we keeping track of officer activity at the end of every shift?
The Feds have a quota system too; "how many police officers can you charge criminally in a year?"
The Feds will be your best friend and your worst enemy.
I'm not surprised at all to hear this. Never made sense to me to have "quotas" to work VRI. There aren't any "quotas" to work your regular tour of duty. I have never worked VRI but always felt It should be available to everyone without "quotas".
This has to be true. I checked my activity and it's all zeros! I put in for it everyday off including furlough for vri I only have less than 3 years on and I got denied for all of them! This must mean people with seniority are getting the bids.. Before anyone says anything I am trying to pay off student loans so that I may buy a house not because I love outside my means.
And why didn't your FOP stop this years ago?
Exempts past and present going to finally
get it stuck in their ass for the jackpot
discipline meted out for "not enough activity"
to meet these "performance standards"
that weren't supposed to be in place anyway?
Hey Feds!
Find those old performance rating cards if you can!
Written in pencil but the copper HAD to sign it
in ink...
CPD's own version of
point shaving...
...And the supervisors would give you the royal
shit-eye when you made a copy of the card.
Not that we didn't trust ya
but you know magical shit
sometimes happened.
CPD is a magical place.
No?
No rating system? this will be a huge blow to the hard chargers in hoodies.
Ahhhh......The FEDs found the "Performance Recognition System(Secret Quota System)" You know, the color coded system that lables police officers if they don't have enough activity/tickets arrests etc. etc. The same corrupt system that can be manipulated by friends of the connected. Activity entered for POs that never spent a day on the street by their fellow house mice. Yeah we all know these stories. House mice with suddenly more activity than every day street cops once VRI started. Everyone knew it was a quota system but dare speak of it. Completely subjective grading system too. Friends of a boss get a pass. Funny thing is the brass wont say that quotas/activity isn't needed to work overtime so the POs will still believe it's necessary. Nothing has been put in writing about it. Same old tricks nothing will change. Do we still have to secretly FAX our activity to get OT? is it "hush hush?" There should never be a quota system in policing. We should operate within the constitution and enforce the laws when necessary. Quotas are for bosses looking for promotion. PERIOD!
Will the Feds look into McCarthy and his compost meetings were he told commanders to ignore the RAP and get the contact cards. Almost every commander lost their minds over not having enough contact cards for McCompost at the weekly meeting. If anyone gets nailed by the Feds it should be McCarthy and Tracy!
Pushing activity is what gets bosses promoted even higher. They're still coming to roll call asking for more numbers. It will never change. Question.....Will the brass put it in writing that quotas aren't needed for overtime? It hasn't happened yet. Why? Interesting and suspicious. The OT sign up still lists the quotas needed to work it. What happened to the silly performance recognition system? It shows zeros.
The Feds aren't dumb. They should know damm well the CPD went on quotas. The performance recognition system is obvious. Color coded activity grades? Come on. The "we're down on numbers" BS at roll call.
Interesting the brass will tell the people scheduling the OT that activity quotas aren't being used anymore but they won't put it in writing to the POs. Why I wonder? Hmmmm. Keep the dream alive huh? Hey FEDs ask that question
So it's going to go by seniority that's all...
There goes my VRI!!!!
Old timers didn't want to do the extra work for OT!!
FUCK!!! There goes my extra check on the 22nd!!!!
great!!!! now absolutely no reason to do anything...now maybe i dont have to keep up with these thirsty civil right violating punks on my team to get a merit promotion in case i bomb the det.,sgt.,or lt. test...any hoo everybody be careful and fetal dont risk your job or livlihood for an arrest i hear the feds have aclu dummies on street corners now , i also hear they are turning some coppers Rouge by promising them theworld so watch your back and what you do or say because the cars and stations are tapped...peace!!!!
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We'll see what this does to the VRI rosters. I'm thinking you may now need more time to get VRI.
The hair gel police aren't gonna like it.
Thus VRI is going to go away.
How about officers getting a 5% to 10% share of the
fees and fines they generate?
>West and South side aldercritters, clergy and assorted
spokes-weasels and local media just shit themselves a little bit<
WHOOO!
Imagining these bustouts trying to fix/non-suit citations
and the FEDS are in town rifling everybody's panty drawer
looking for anything?
THAT, would be a fun war to fight.
"We fail to understand why you guys
are so unnecessarily vicious and vindictive."
Like I've said!
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/7/71/164254/gov-quinn-signs-bill-banning-ticket-quotas-for-police
Aww fudge! Deputy Dogass is gonna steal my scratch.
I'm laughing so hard I'm crying. The thing the bosses and politicians never seem to realize is that if you want your subordinates to do everything by the book, then you end up having to do everything by the book too. You open up the windows and the flies land on everybody's food. Anyone that was denied VRI due to not having enough activity should file a lawsuit now.
Ive been questioning the validity of having "minimum activity" to be eligible for vri. Now if this is true, it opens up a nice lawsuit for a band of officers to sue the city for not being able to get their share of overtime because of lack of activity.
Chicago just want to do what they want to do. I'm a lowly blue shirt and I knew this was illegal when VRI started. But, the spaghetti heads at the puzzle palace think they are smarter then SCOTUS. I really hope the city gets spanked over this!
Hopefully they will eliminate the merit process next. I don't know how the city can argue that there are two sets of standards to get promoted. One that has to know directives and one that does not.
I have been saying this for years. It was a quota system. The overtime the city paid was supplemented by your activity. If you have to come in with 5 parkers 5 movers and 5 anovs you paid for your own overtime. If you made say 600 for the night, your movers parkers and anovs paid for it. So tell the city that their cries of paying overtime was actually paid for by YOU.
If the media is reading this, a big fuck you.
Uh oh. Guys that were counting on that "easy living cash" are going to have to go against all the others who never tried due to activity.
"Time on the job" should no longer be a determining factor when deciding who the brass should be. Most, if not all of the brass have over 25 years on the job, and were on the job when u could smack the shit out of an arrestee, or lock them in a room for 3 days until they talked.
The problem is, many do not see anything wrong with those tactics, despite everything that is going on. Many delay accepting technology, and he'll, some still don't know how to use a computer. (Which is why we are STILL not paperless).
It is no surprise then, that we have quotas with regards to VRI. They see nothing wrong with it, and can not be convinced otherwise.
Two issues arise from thid program which was created under the administration of Rahm.
1. The creation of a quota system for stopping and arresting citizens in order for police to be eligible for financial compensation through VRI.
2. The potential for a pattern of fraud and/or misuse of the program.
In both cases the city will be in serious trouble. Remember they dismantled MFF, TRU and. Effectively Gangs and spent $100,000,000 a yeat in VRI OT, only to have nearly as many murders as NY and LA combined.
About time!
Really, does that mean that someone will have to answer for all of those quotas and the threats and the denied employment that accompanied those quotas. Including the activity officer that if you didn't kiss their ass they would lose some of your required activity....forcing you to lose the employment opportunity. It was difficult to search through as month's worth of reports to find that 99th contact card when the activity officer said you only did 98.
Dyla Hata
Quotas aren't illegal under federal law.
Ruh-roh
Dear media, public and other interested parties,
Well of course it was an illegal quota. It has been that way forever. Like a three year old behaving badly, all you get is, "but.....but.....but": "But we called it an 'index' instead of a 'quota', so it can't be a quota. We named it differently so we're ok."; "Well we certainly USED it as a quota (dumping people from assignments because they didn't hit the number), (retaliating against officers who don't hit the quota by assigning them to 'station security' because they refuse to engage in this illegal quota [Unit 010]), (rewarding officers with overtime if they DO reach the quota [VRI]), but we don't want to CALL it a 'quota', so therefore it isn't.
You know what? These bosses are being just like the shithead on the street when caught dirty. That's not my drugs because: "These are my cousins socks you found the heroin in.", "I borrowed these pants, I didn't know there was crack cocaine in them", "That hitter pipe might smell like weed, but I only used it for medicinal purposes", "That powdered cocaine in the 1/2 inch zip loc baggie, for which there is no other purpose, sitting next to my hand, isn't mine because I wasn't touching it [though I was guarding it with my life]), etc. etc. etc. Add your own analogies here.
Hey public, media, feds: Let me let you in on an open secret: we know it was an illegal quota, we objected to it being an illegal quota, we HATED being ordered to meet this illegal quota, and our bosses didn't fucking care. They punished us with shitty assignments and denied us opportunities if we refused to meet this illegal quota and rewarded those who complied (what do you think it takes to make a Tactical Team, etc.?). So your are all welcome to help kill the illegal quota.
The ACLU thing discouraging officers from doing actual police work protecting our fellow citizens, well that is a bit too much though.
Hugs and kisses,
(many) Chicago Police Officers
I am still chuckling over this one. Is Joe Serb still around?
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Do I get back pay for my suspensions for not meeting the 'performance index'?
Now who's behind this numbers scheme,
Golly Gee Gomer. I never worked a day of VRI once but I ALWAYS questioned how you could have a quota system in place for ANYTHING. How can you not have a quota for on-duty shit but not for off-duty shit? Hmmm. DOUBLE STANDARD screaming at me here.
This is one good thing about them coming in. We all knew that there were quotas shoved on us and that it naturally led to some of the dumber youngsters going wild to meet those numbers. It's much easier to stay fetal now. Coming in with zeroes is now a sign that you are a good officer. Stay fetal.
To the guys and girls in all the Units, within Patrol, that are supposedly going to the 10.5 hr day schedule starting the 2nd Period. It is the FOP's opinion that such a move by the Department would be a direct violation of our existing contract. Only several Units are allowed, per the contract, to utilize the 10.5 hr day. Once again, Management and Labor Affairs and Chief of Patrol are aware of this but don't give a shit! The FOP recommends filing a grievance immediately should your respective Unit implement the 10.5 hr day schedule. I'm not saying I'm for or against the 10.5 hr day schedule. My concern is, once again, should we allow this the City will continue to chip away at our contractual rights.
Maneo Fetus
Now the dogs who are always complaining about VRI can work it.
To the officer who collect data(keep copies of orders)
The officer who kept records of those FAXES he had to obtain to work VRI
It would be UNETHICAL if you did not help out our FED brothers solve the RAHM problem of Chicago.
ALL bad news is RAHMs problem! Those pesky exempts have tasty emails related to quotas and tricks on what to call it.
When the FEDS land and a weird email hits your puter help them investigate QOUTAS.
You can only guess what will happen certain people will become enraged because they receive parking tickets.
Ridiculous. And even saying thus verges on giving this inanity more consideration than it is due.
In mid December the entire Performance Recognition System went down and it stopped recording your activity. It just froze. I called the help desk and the technology division and they told me that they are working on it. Now in hindsight we know why. IF they are going to get rid of the quotas for the VRI then fine. I ain't doin shit. Give me my overtime and I am a happy man.
This is a good thing.
I cant wait until I file my grievances for all the times I was denied for activity for VRI
I have tons of seniority but work inside. I would have gotten vri if it weren't for activity. As Sol Rosenburg said, "Can I sue?"...
I work inside and not have had any activity in YEARS.
I was told to sign up last month and received a number of days of VRI for February.
I just went on-line and am doing $1000 @ paycheck on deferred comp.
THANKS Dept. of Justice!!!
You just helped save my retirement from a pension that will go under thanks to the crooked Chicago politicians !!! In a way, it's a good thing.
You mean to tell me I did 5 ISR's this month for nothing?
Ding dong the witch is dead!!!!!
VRI was always based on a quota system period. Now they have been caught using one. All individual officers activity have always been kept. Maybe it is time to get rid of that also in that it has been abused by the bosses to single out officers for what they may consider low activity.
You mean the bosses lied about quotas!
The new patio set will look great this summer.
Im filing a lawsuit for being denied VRI the last few years due to an illegal system.
Ya'll worrying for nothing, because VRI is ending. You think the city doesn't know that VRI has not stopped one criminal incident?
Well I guess Rahmbo is going to notice a shortage of revenue coming in from parking tickets. All those tactical off writing parkers to meet the VRI quota, now not needed, I feel it's going to make a small dent in the kitty. The citizens will finally get a little break from those nightly ninja ticket writers
We all know about the contact card push and pressure since McCarthy became Superintendant. I have been to compstat when he was on his tirades and I have heard his screams about contact cards. I know people that have been dumped from their cars, their units and their watches because they did not comply with the contact card quota. I have told supervisor's that I will not violate people's rights because the Commander is getting yelled at by McCarthy. It would be nice if the F.O.P. could muster up enough courage and finaly expose the past conduct of McCarthy, the exempt's, and Supervisor's who pretty much strong armed this department and it's member's into the biggest Civil Rights debacle the CPD will ever know. Nice Job, Garry. I hope that any officer harmed by McCarthy's contact card quota will be able to in turn sue the shit out of him and his cronies.
Didn't one of Ritchy Daley's guys go to jail for using color coded flow charts to track political activity and job hiring and assignments???
Increased parking ticket production by those seeking to get VRI helped pay for VRI. Watch for VRI to get decreased.
What the police department once stuck up our @$$ is now being stuck up their @$$, by the Feds,counting and manipulating numbers and holding officers accountable to numbers to work their off days to twist their arms to work,even if it were limited on that brutally cold day,when even the thugs stay in trying to stay warm,the non sense is just that ,non sense and should be exposed so that good officers can do there jobs without undo pressure just honest police work is all the public wants,easy for me to say I'm retired,but I am the public now!
The lawyers from the fop should file a lawsuit on behalf of every po in the dept for requiring activity for the past years to work vri. They city getting rid of quotas is basically admitting it was wrong from day one of implementing vri. Let the city explain it to the courts. I'm sure they won't everyone will just complain and let the city do what they want.
10 hour day is awesome
And why didn't your FOP stop this years ago?
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The FLOP can't even put out a Holiday Calendar with the overtime pay dates let alone contest something like a quota. I honestly don't see the need for the FOP anymore and they refuse to fight residency because board members don't want to risk losing money on their overinflated houses.....
Why does the OT sign up page still list the activity required to have to apply for VRI? Wonder why nothing has be officially said. We all know why
Anonymous said...
Ya'll worrying for nothing, because VRI is ending. You think the city doesn't know that VRI has not stopped one criminal incident?
1/21/2016 10:32:00 AM
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Hard to say if this is true or not, but, there are rarely shootings in VRI boxes when there are VRI officers in that box.
Can you imagine what the murder rate will be if they stop VRI? They can't shift any more PO's out of 014, 016, 017, 019 and 020, they have somewhere near 200 total officers at this point.
DSS spot is gone too. The lieutenants are going to start to earn that money. Desk sergeants back real soon.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/01/20/state-bill-would-limit-police-use-of-stingray-cell-phone-tracking-unit/
taking away more tools police can use to prevent crime
smh
"...Before anyone says anything I am trying to pay off student loans so that I may buy a house not because I love outside my means." Go back to college and get your money back.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ya'll worrying for nothing, because VRI is ending. You think the city doesn't know that VRI has not stopped one criminal incident?
1/21/2016 10:32:00 AM
it's not ending johnny and his crew have what 100 million more in the budget to spend! with shootings skyrocketing,tommy the toupee putting his crew to work with our hard chargers its a win for the media whores and bosses just looking to throw you away! "see you at your fundraisers!"
Do you know what 5th Watch is? In the 18th Ditrict the Bosses get to put the foot Officers All three Watches in one Watch this results in 90 more management spots and the guys on the regular watch get shitty furlos dont let this scam watch go City Wide.
Anonymous said...
And why didn't your FOP stop this years ago?
1/21/2016 01:02:00 AM
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Well your lobbyist at the time (Mark Donahue)was somewhere in Springfield but not in the Capital Bldg. at the time of the vote. The State Labor Counsel passed this bill for the rest of the state. Next time you see Donahue ask him where he was? Ask him why he signed in favor of the pension give backs for labor's and the rest of the city employees. Ask him why you no longer get a 3% cola for those born after 1955. Word was he dropped the ball on this work for his buddy's (Ted Street)bill for portability so he could transfer his time at another department.
The Feds are wiser and better organized than CPD. It is worth while following their advise or instructions.
Good Lisa Madigan can drop her lawsuit against the CPD for quotas.
If I want to get into a different district on management do I still need to bring my activity for the year?
If so, like many other times before, another bad decision made by CPD manangement and sadly no person among the upper ranks will be held accountable.
Like it has been said before, there is more accountablility for a manager at McDonalds than management personnel on the Chicago Police Department.
09:32am. No, you just gave the ACLU something to talk about and find a way to mess with you. What part of stay fetal don't you understand?
That's awesome! Reward those that do jack shit
"Before anyone says anything I am trying to pay off student loans so that I may buy a house not because I love outside my means.
1/21/2016 12:53:00 AM"
If the Keesing Bandit doesn't jump all over this, I will.
At the moment, I am sooooo tempted....
Chalkie
10 hour day is a good thing , work 5 off 3 with 3 four day weekends
hey make it citywide as power cars 0500 - 1500hrs , 1500-0100hrs and 2100-0700hrs
I'll sign up , so will many others that see the advantage of one less day at work , more time with family and or part time jobs
It occurs to me that every day of VRI an officer had put in for, but was denied due to "INSUFFICIENT ACTIVITY", may have a grievance since there never should have been a quota requirement in place. Each of those days are recorded as such on your CLEAR page. And if it is further determined that you could've gotten the day(s) in question based on your seniority but were denied said VRI day, which is easy to verify because the rosters for all those days are stored under "View Assignment Roster", then we could be on to something.
Imagine, getting paid for all the days you were denied based on "INSUFFICIENT ACTIVITY".
Perhaps serious inquiries should be made to FOP. Not that they would have an answer for you, besides, "nah, you got nuthin'".
Well I guess Rahmbo is going to notice a shortage of revenue coming in from parking tickets. All those tactical off writing parkers to meet the VRI quota, now not needed, I feel it's going to make a small dent in the kitty. The citizens will finally get a little break from those nightly ninja ticket writers
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If you were tact you shouldn't have been writing Parkers anyway. Arrests, contact cards and mover/anovs
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Im filing a lawsuit for being denied VRI the last few years due to an illegal system.
Last few years? dude relax, this law came into effect on January 1, 2015. VRI is complete waste of money that had no effect on crime. Parking unattended marked squad car would be as effective as two dogasses that get paid time and a half for sitting in it.
Great, youse coppers won this quota thing with all this "Federal oversight" and "Department of whatever" shit.
Next thing you know, you're gonna have the DOJ look into a certain state law that gives a city with a population over 1,000,000 the right to demand its municipal employees live within the city.
Well lemme set youse guys straight, it's not gonna happen. I got a rotary phone dials straight to da fifth floor downtown, and I got another phone only dials to Madigan, and he controls the state, right?
Don't pay attention to what dey do in other states and cities that don't make their coppers live in the cities dey work in, dis is Illi-fuckin-nois!
I already talked to da Man, he says just shaddap and be glad you got a job with benefits.
So now the do nothing wagon 30 yr dinasour can get VRI. And park the squad for 7 hrs at a corner and complain Oh boy can't wait
********* I Hate to Bust everyone's bubble, but I spoke to a buddy who is one of the PO's who actually schedules PO's to work special and his claim is that it's just a Rumor... He said you still need the activity for VRI. I brought up the fact that I personally know a copper who worked it who didn't have all of his numbers. He said they let people work since the performance website showing PO's activity was not up and running.. I guess will have to wait and see if he's correct.
As usual the uneducated postings continue. The city never implemented activity in order to be eligible for vri assignments. An arbitrator made a ruling in regards to detectives being eligible thru the grievance process. It's called collective bargaining,and its all we have as employees to to ensure our future.
Still need the numbers, sorry Charlie.
Chicago is going to get spanked by the Feds over this!
Check out these case laws, all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/nyregion/20police.html?_r=0
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/12/local/la-me-ticket-quotas-20110412
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/02/nypd-quotas_n_5916596.html
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/06/17/police-ticket-quotas-banned-in-illinois/
And there are plenty of more case laws from across the country about, Quotas, Index, Performance Activities, etc. however you want to say it.
I just want in on the next "class action" lawsuit against the City of Chicago for these dumb Quotas, Indexes, performance Activities, etc.
I have my print outs ready for evidence!
I'll settle for at least six figures per Officer!
Wasnt a grievance filed regarding this a while back and the arbitator said that since is was an overtime program they were allowed to set standards. Was that a FOP fairytale or a real arbitration decision?
Anonymous said...
You mean to tell me I did 5 ISR's this month for nothing?
1/21/2016 09:32:00 AM
Just think of them as 5 pending lawsuits in the pipeline.
Now what is going to be the excuses suck holes on this job that used the excuse for doing stuff on this job. Before, all the brown nosing suck asses would say they need VRI activity and that's why they did 10 arrests, 5 anov's, movers, parkers. Now what is going to be their excuse now??? Because we all knew it had nothing to do with VRI, but just an excuse to portray activity to suck ass to the bosses.
The bigger picture is will the city finally hire more police. Vri was just a way to keep the rank and file thin
A call wad made to special events today. As far as they know there still is activity that is needed. Until it's put into writing I would still get the activity needed to be safe if you work vri.
Well, old timers have at it. Senority will prevail and old dinosaurs willing to bump their last 5 years are thirsty. That means, not only are the dinosaurs not doing anything, so wont new and 10 year vets. The crime will increase as a result. Aslo, never understood why these morons in Hoods and jeans thought whay they where doing was cool. More c/c for your lt in tac...what a joke. You guys created this crap by being a glorified c/c unit and gave them what they wanted. Plane clothes is overrated. I already see these 06 cars and tac thirsty for domestic transports, pitty. Be a fetal my friends respect the tax payers and give the feds, ipra, internal affairs and ACLU whay they want...nothing.
OT
Joe Public (not a cop)
Once again, NBC running with their lead story, VIDEO MISSING from the camera footage of the kid who got shot fleeing police.
They make is sound so terrible, and that they are trying to rile up the villagers so they can gather their pitchforks and torches, when in the end, there may be footage missing from a streetlight camera, that took place a minute or two after the shooting already took place. It seems completely insignificant to me. How can that footage possible show anything of relevance? Other cameras worked. It would have showed the kid on the street, and the firetruck/ambulance, etc arriving.
Such garbage. It sickens me that I used to rely on this channel for my local information. You suckered me in though, after NBC nightly news ended. Kudos for your "journalism".
I cant wait to see the morons commenting on the news sites about crooked cops climbing up phone poles or screaming that the city needs to replace all cameras.
Id post a link to that crap story, but I dont want their site getting clicks.
I'll do whatever it takes to work plainclothes in a marked car
My favorite was the Midnight Princess of CHA North who told PM officers working their day off they had to come in with "activity" "I remember when it was a contact" or write a to/from, cunningly knowing the coppers all want to get home to get up for AM shift the next day and the last thing they wanted to do was sit at some fucking computer typing some damn To/From. So the itsy bitsy spider spun her web and there was a whole lot of "suspicious activity" on Cambridge found and foiled by the over 55yo crime fighter crowd. I can see her now, "quota's"? "what quota's"?
Wow, wait till the feds see that Maria Peña would have the supervisors attach the officers activity although the system wasn't supposed to be tied to activity...
Here comes the bus Deputy
Unlimited Vri starting in May from a source at headquarters
Not true. You still need activity.
Anonymous said...
Pushing activity is what gets bosses promoted even higher. They're still coming to roll call asking for more numbers. It will never change. Question.....Will the brass put it in writing that quotas aren't needed for overtime? It hasn't happened yet. Why? Interesting and suspicious. The OT sign up still lists the quotas needed to work it. What happened to the silly performance recognition system? It shows zeros.
1/21/2016 01:33:00 AM
Well, in this anti-police climate, I would think the commanders with the LEAST activity would be rewarded--"Good job, your guys aren't stopping minorities! Good job not violating people's rights! Good job that your officers didn't shoot anyone! Good job nobody in your district cost the city millions! Good job your subordinates are fetal!"
The new way to rise up the ranks--deactivate the police.
Anonymous said...
The Feds aren't dumb. They should know damm well the CPD went on quotas. The performance recognition system is obvious. Color coded activity grades? Come on. The "we're down on numbers" BS at roll call.
1/21/2016 01:38:00 AM
Ahem, are you new here? The Feds ARE dumb. Have you ever worked any cases with them? You do the work, you explain it all to them, they take the credit. The Feds will see what they are told to see, not what they see on their own...which is unfortunate, but the absolute truth. If it's not in the script, it's not going in the movie.
Not true I called the special events section the day of the FOP meeting because this question came up at the mike. The activity requirements still stand except for contact cards. Today I was told that people at VRI were being told that activity was not required anymore, I again called to verify with special and spoke to the Capitan who also confirmed that activity was still required excluding the new investigative stop reports. I'm posting so that our membership does not lose their requested dates due to insufficient activity.
Don't miss your dates due to the rumor mill brothers and sisters. I received the info straight from the horses mouth.
Al Francis Jr
Starting in summer Vri hours are going to be 1500-0100hrs
Before anyone says anything I am trying to pay off student loans so that I may buy a house not because I love outside my means.
1/21/2016 12:53:00 AM
If you cannot pay your bills without outside help, you are living (or loving in your case) beyond your means. You should get your money back from that there college, boy!
Ha ha. Your life is an epic fail.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And why didn't your FOP stop this years ago?
1/21/2016 01:02:00 AM
Because FOP has always been a wholly
owned subsidiary of the Democratic Machine.
Look at how all the past presidents and officers were able
to land six figure city/county/state jobs after their terms in office...
"Huh?
Whohadsaidsump'n?"
Meanwhile, all the little nobodies who aren't clouted in
with somebody are trying to keep from getting a kick
in the teeth and a kick in the ass at the same time.
That very one-sided "gentlemen's agreement"
to not fight back against the non-stop outrages
committed by City Hall and the media is nothing
short of dehumanizing, demeaning and unmanly.
FOP is so far behind the curve that they may as well
own up and drop any pretense of "fighting for"
the membership.
Hope you get everything Rahm promised you
for slow-walking/betraying the membership,
Doctuh Dean...
Aww fudge! Deputy Dogass is gonna steal my scratch.
You are an idiot. The only thing that matters on this job is seniority, put in your time and shut up. Do you really think doing 5 fake contact cards means anything? You are gonna get jammed up ,and you dont even get it.
Hmm thank God for them realizing that just as that ISR's are here!
There is still a quota if you want to keep a management spot! Except for 2nd watch in 009. Management = Early retirement!
Who signed off on the VRI order? If McStupe was getting $300K per year, he should know WTF he is doing.
Where has McComPost been these days? Been seen out and about?
Getting soused?
Anonymous said...
Ya'll worrying for nothing, because VRI is ending. You think the city doesn't know that VRI has not stopped one criminal incident?
1/21/2016 10:32:00 AM
Doesn't matter. It's the show, not the substance. Did you just get here?
Hey public, media, feds: Let me let you in on an open secret: we know it was an illegal quota, we objected to it being an illegal quota, we HATED being ordered to meet this illegal quota, and our bosses didn't fucking care. They punished us with shitty assignments and denied us opportunities if we refused to meet this illegal quota and rewarded those who complied (what do you think it takes to make a Tactical Team, etc.?). So your are all welcome to help kill the illegal quota.
The ACLU thing discouraging officers from doing actual police work protecting our fellow citizens, well that is a bit too much though.
Hugs and kisses,
(many) Chicago Police Officers
1/21/2016 07:22:00 AM
Why doesn't everyone who was a victim of this contact the justice dept? Sign with a letter/number combination and not your name because you are afraid of being retaliated against? Detail how you were dumped/f-d with on start times and cars, etc? Inundate them with more info than they will be able to handle. They'll be so perplexed, it will be hilarious to watch them formulate a report.
Lawsuit
VRI is not going nowhere people the way the violence is increasing no officers doing anything it's cheaper for the city then to hire officers. With all these fetal officers staying fetal old timers are going to retire soon. Warmer weather more violence. So stop your crying vri will increase within the next few months mark my words and so is VRE..
Who signed off on the VRI order? If McStupe was getting $300K per year, he should know WTF he is doing.
Where has McComPost been these days? Been seen out and about?
Getting soused?
1/21/2016 10:28:00 PM
On vacation in Florida.
Who is in control of the database with all the names from the contact cards? To believe they are gone, like C.R.s, is being stupid.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
You mean to tell me I did 5 ISR's this month for nothing?
1/21/2016 09:32:00 AM
Just think of them as 5 pending lawsuits in the pipeline.
haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tOsQv-rrEE
Re: Mark Donahue and pension give forgivness which was only a drop in the bucket and he got us the 55 and out healthcare in exchange. He pulled a slick move on the city that not many could do except for Dineen. Bring Mark Donahue back as lobbist because we are loosing in Springfield every single day!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Now what is going to be the excuses suck holes on this job that used the excuse for doing stuff on this job. Before, all the brown nosing suck asses would say they need VRI activity and that's why they did 10 arrests, 5 anov's, movers, parkers. Now what is going to be their excuse now??? Because we all knew it had nothing to do with VRI, but just an excuse to portray activity to suck ass to the bosses.
1/21/2016 05:46:00 PM
They'll use the old court excuse. They're doing proactive work because they need court. The truth of the matter is that these people don't actually do proactive work to suck ass, or make overtime, to not be a dog or any of that other shit they spew to justify their proactive work. These officers all posses a certain personality trait that makes them prone to boredom and addiction. They have no patience, they act impulsively without thinking, they cannot sit still for more than a few minutes at a time, and they're typically very selfish people. The job becomes like a live action video game to them and they become addicted to it. Arresting people becomes their score card and they're not above cheating or bending the rules to increase their score at virtually any cost. If you are partnered with these types, they don't care if you're tired, sick, injured, have plans, or anything else. They will get their head and if you protest you are a "dog ass" in their minds. They typically gravitate to tact teams and units in order to work with similar personalities. JVD was one of these people. If he was to get out of his predicament, he'd go right back to his old ways just as sure as a scorpion would sting you if you picked it up. These officers can't help the way they are anymore than you can.
Anonymous said...
This has to be true. I checked my activity and it's all zeros! I put in for it everyday off including furlough for vri I only have less than 3 years on and I got denied for all of them! This must mean people with seniority are getting the bids.. Before anyone says anything I am trying to pay off student loans so that I may buy a house not because I love outside my means.
Hey kid, when I got on I couldn't even get CTA. I was told to wait until I got some time on. I'm paying for college too. My sons. Sorry but that's why we have seniority. We all have been were you are now.
Do you know what 5th Watch is? In the 18th Ditrict the Bosses get to put the foot Officers All three Watches in one Watch this results in 90 more management spots and the guys on the regular watch get shitty furlos dont let this scam watch go City Wide.
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Where have you been the past six-seven years worth of greviences filed by the unit rep regarding violation of the contract regarding the use of fifth watch officers? Former commander W.D. knowingly and arrogantly broke the contract and did whatever he wanted with fifth watch officers, now at least the arbitrator has set out clear guidelines as to watch assignments a fifth watch officer can work. At one point there were approximately 120 officers in 018 on fifth watch, and if you include that with tact and normal watch management spots, you had over 50% of the district controlled by management. You're correct that it does suck for those of us on the watch, but it's not going away anytime soon, and my understanding is that all of the greviences that could be filed regarding it have, and have been resolved in one way or another.
It there a class action I can get in on for all the VRI I missed out on for not having met the quotas?
VRI should go away...results were negligible, at best...and even with 'needing activity' to be considered eligible to work it, most of the people who got it didn't do a damn thing for time and a half...it was basically a handout to the lazy. The city won't miss that huge OT bill at all.
...it was an illegal quota, we objected to it being an illegal quota..."
VRI minimum activity requirements is not a quota,,---if you choose to volunteer for premium pay overtime in a violence reduction initiative you need to meet the activity requirement----the program is part of the VOLUNTARY special employment opportunities ----for years now people are obtaining the required activity during a VRI shift---and qualifying for next months assignments---and it is the only activity they have (what a joke)
I have 21 yrs on and to watch the dogs on the watch jump over each other to write that ANOV for the commercial alarm, or jump in someones "holding the offender" arrests and "put me on your contact" for thier VRI activity always my me laugh. Now I can remain fetal and make some good cash..
This was ruled by the US Supreme Court awhile ago. Cpd ignored ruling. So, if you are pressed for activity can we file a lawsuit?
Checked it yesterday and the requirements are still the same, if quota is not longer necessary they would have removed it wouldn't they?
Wasnt a grievance filed regarding this a while back and the arbitator said that since is was an overtime program they were allowed to set standards. Was that a FOP fairytale or a real arbitration decision?
1/21/2016 05:36:00 PM
Yes. The blog is filled with people who have two years on the job and people who have their head wholly stuck up their ass. A lot people here wanted Chuy and Jabba The Hut for Mayor. You think things are bad now???
So if vri quotas really are gone and vri is sticking around, guess what u can expect, inspectors galore!!! The city will get their $ back one way or another.
Hey idiot.....minimum activity requirement is a QUOTA. Look up the definition of QUOTA. Your going to make a great boss some day.
Less than 3 years commit. Your an idiot and have even less chance now. Nobody cares about school loans. Seniority is the game
We must let other Officers know about the 18th District 5th Watch Scam.
And if we were smart we would start a class action law suit. But we arent and we don't stick together so forget a bout it.
Re: Mark Donahue and pension give forgiveness which was only a drop in the bucket and he got us the 55 and out healthcare in exchange.
He should of got that for us without the 55 million. Fuck Donahue.
If you idiots would just stick together... there are 8900 of you....WTF?
Who is in control of the database with all the names from the contact cards? To believe they are gone, like C.R.s, is being stupid.
1/22/2016 01:33:00 AM
Who said they were gone? They're in data warehouse, along with the ISRs.
Not true! Got it straight from the horses mouth. The brain trusts at headquarters are "upgrading" the system that keeps track of activity and managed to fuck it up. It's been messed up for months, but they never bothered to let anyone know. So for the meantime, anyone can put in and get VRI it, even the dogs. Once the system is fixed, it's back to the activity, with one exception...the contact cards are gone and not replaced by ISR's.
I think the Feds should start their investigation with McCompStat....I went to several compstat meetings, and he said over and over again, "we've got to get out there and PUT OUR HANDS on people". He did not give a tiny rats ass about having a reason to put hands on people. He wanted contact cards no matter whether you had a reason to stop people or not. He is the reason the Feds are here. Look at what happened in NJ.
Another great choice by Rahm.
I wonder if there is a way to find out how many Federal lawsuits have been filed against CPD and naming McCompStat as well?
We must let other Officers know about the 18th District 5th Watch Scam.
1/22/2016 02:43:00 PM
The scam that contributes to half of district personnel being assigned spots at the discretion of management? Shhh! Don't tell anyone!!!
YES. Quotas are illegal in states like Illinois and New York.
Listen to the below story where an NYPD officer wore a wire and recorded his sergeant:
http://www.npr.org/2015/04/04/395061810/despite-laws-and-lawsuits-quota-based-policing-lingers
I just laugh and say, "I told you so!!!!" This department is ridiculous.
"If you idiots would just stick together... there are 8900 of you....WTF?
1/22/2016 02:51:00 PM"
8000 gotta guy who will takes care of them so they don't need no f'n union, 900 don't give a shit.
Quotas, Index, Performance activities of any type are ILLEGAL!
Just ask the United States Supreme Court!
Anonymous said...
Re: Mark Donahue and pension give forgivness which was only a drop in the bucket and he got us the 55 and out healthcare in exchange. He pulled a slick move on the city that not many could do except for Dineen. Bring Mark Donahue back as lobbist because we are loosing in Springfield every single day!
1/22/2016 02:38:00 AM
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Your post is wrong on many levels.
The trade off for the first missed pension payment was 29 and a day NOT the health care.
That sounds great on paper BUT that’s three years shorter that a lot of offers worked to get a full pension of 75%. That’s three years shorter they paid into the pension plan. You pay 9% and the city matches it with 18%. 75+9+18=102% net loss for each of those three years that the officer retired earlier and has put a drain on the pension fund.
Speaking of the health care issue that also got officers to leave the job sooner. Which also put a drain pension plan. Many officers worked till 60 to get the free health care even when they max’d their pensions at 75% and thus paid into the plan longer.
Don’t drink Mark’s water unless you do your homework.
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