Detective Exam Announced
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Test is 07 May.
Parts One and Two will be given the same day.
What? Why? No break? No waiting months for Part One results before being eligible for Part Two? This is unusual.
We've heard the paid study groups are scrambling.
The "invitation only" groups at HQ are in a dither as to how their "students" are going to memorize twice the data in half the time.
Expect a lot of long weekends (and weekdays) studying.
Test is 07 May.
Parts One and Two will be given the same day.
What? Why? No break? No waiting months for Part One results before being eligible for Part Two? This is unusual.
We've heard the paid study groups are scrambling.
The "invitation only" groups at HQ are in a dither as to how their "students" are going to memorize twice the data in half the time.
Expect a lot of long weekends (and weekdays) studying.
Labels: promotions
posted by SCC at 12:37 AM
184 Comments:
How are they going to do Pt #1 and #2 in the same day?
I know it's a scan-tron type test, but it will never happen...
Keep ut.
Finally something close to legit.....who succeeds and who is merit will be prof of legitimacy of previous tests
"Invitation only" study groups? Isn't that just stylish?
Or, maybe I should say,"Cloutish".
It still doesn't matter, because you only need to pass part one to be nominated for merit promotion.
As a merit bitch, how dare they make me take both parts. That's not fair.
Absolutely the best job on the department. Lots of paperwork but with it can come great satisfaction in taking violent criminals off the street. I left a few years ago to make Sergeant and have regretted it every day since.
The Chicago murder clearance rate is terrible. Less than 30%.
Hopefully more detectives will help in locking up the thugs and gang bangers.
Bernstein is livid... With the tests all in one day he's gonna lose out on a ton of money. Especially since ha preliminary schedule he had out put the test in October and all his classes going through the spring and summer
Pay to play kids. God knows I'm hitting up my study groups.. Best job in the city
Ya got nuffin kid.
With the DOJ in town, maybe this test will not be as suspicious?
Good...
This means the feds have taken over CPD promotions?
Maybe they should be looking at imprisoning all the exempts
who ran secret study groups over the last 25 years and their
"students" who profited greatly from stolen promotions.
The "best and brightest" in a dead dog's hockey-dot...
Let's see "Clout" dragged out kicking, screaming and shitting from it's
hiding place into the light to get it's teeth yanked out with pliers.
In the interests of transparency, candidates will get their raw scores via Scantron immediately after completing the Detectives' Exam. After all, it's "the Chicago Way". It's all legit. No more raping of the English language by bastardizing the word "merit".
Two Deputies shot down in Maryland.
An officer shot in the head in Fargo ND.
Please be careful out there.
Punk ass carjacker gets beaten half to death in Milwaukee WI.
Want to bet the Milwaukee police put more time into tracking down the vigilantes than finding the punk's accomplices?
The neighborhood didn't even call it in.
I guess they think it was justice.
Going to keep track of this case, because this looks like the future.
Why would anyone want to be a Detective right now?
OT --
"NON-TARGETED" ATTACK AGAIN -- MACHETE NOT REALLY A WEAPON
At least 4 injured in machete attack at Ohio restaurant
Published February 12, 2016 FoxNews.com
"At least four people were injured in a machete attack at an Ohio restaurant before police shot and killed the suspect Thursday night.
"The attack occurred at Nazareth Restaurant and Deli, a Mediterranean eatery, in Columbus. Police said the unidentified man walked into the restaurant, had a conversation with an employee and left.
"About a half hour later, the suspected attacker returned, approached a man and a woman at a table near the doorway and started his rampage.
“He came in and started beating up on another man, I thought it was a personal thing. Then he just started down the row hitting everybody; people were bleeding,” Karen Bass, a restaurant patron, told My Fox 28 Columbus.
"The man eventually fled the scene in a white car and led police on a short chase. Officers forced him off the road a few miles away. When the suspect got out of his car, police said they tried unsuccessfully to use a stun gun on him.
"Columbus police Sgt. Rick Weiner said, "At that point he had a machete and another knife in his hand and he lunged across the hood at the officers."
"That's when police said an officer shot and killed the man. It remained unclear what sparked the attacks.
“There was no rhyme or reason as to who he was going after,” said Weiner. “There’s nothing that leads us to believe that this is anything but a random attack."
"The Columbus Dispatch reported that the FBI is assisting in the investigation, but Weiner didn't clarify why."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/12/at-least-4-injured-in-machete-attack-at-ohio-restaurant.html
"Mediterranean?"
"AHLAN WAH SAHLAN!" (That means "Welcome" in Arabic!)
"We have been serving the Columbus community for over 20 years and specialize in Middle Eastern cuisine."
"The machete-[wielder] asked the owner where he was from (Christian from Israel) and came back an hour later swinging..."
Just random...not "targeted," not "Islamic terrorism," no "hate crime" here.
Move along.
Are they going to score part one immediately, like they did many years ago?
No thanks.. With that job its your home life or your job. Far too many hours.
Don't waste your money on study groups. Read and understand the orders.
Last test was 2004 (part one)..... It's about time!
Maybe the new test will be scan-tron and have your results immediately available when they are put into
the machine and you can walk out of the texting facility knowing your score..... Nah! That would make too much
sense.
Spoke to a few guys that just made detective..
They said fuck this.. they had no idea it would be this shitty a job.
They are overwhelmed.
Saturation team north will not be taking the test. They were all promised meritorious if the DOJ doesn't indict them.
What's the rush does the department think the next detective class is going to solve the most recent Homicide cases? Hey Lt Ozzie why don't you "drop" a motive on us now? You shouldn't have left your janitor job at Area North garage hack!
Dont bother studying. The exams have always been designed to measure intellect; nothing one can study for. So, if someone has failed the test before, you will flop on it again, unless you throw in a random guess here and there. Save your money by not joining study groups either.
Enough is Enough, there should be NO Invitation Only Groups! Any group that uses any City facility, be it Headquarters, a Chicago Public School, or any facility where the pubic pays for the light or heat; any such group, using a public facility should be Open to Everyone. For decades now, Special Groups run by the vary people who write the tests have been feeding the answers to the "Chosen". And the result has been the Promotion of incompetence and corruption. If one good thing comes from the scrutiny by the Feds, let it be the end of rigged promotional exams. If anyone hears of any Group meeting in secret, call the Feds. This bullshit has got to end. I am now retired, but I can remember the little suck asses, using Dept. Xerox machines and paper, and hiding their little notes, so no outsider could see. When I retired as a Sgt., some of the suck asses were Captains and Exempt. And all them, were Pussies and Useless, caring nothing for their subordinates, Accountable only to their Clouts. Baby"G"
Well look at the bright side. 3 months isnt much time to memorize the answers on the answer sheet Daddy or Mommy gave you so we might even get some Dicks who have IQs above the average miniature schnauzer. 'Course theres still management promotes to lower the curve.
Cheaters gunna cheat
Do yourself a favor and stay in patrol. It's not the job it used to be. Be prepared to have no life, terrible health, lots of stress, a nice long commute in most cases, and to age rapidly. For those of you that refuse to listen, I suggest learning how to type properly because you're going to be typing reports until your fingers bleed. They need to double the current amount of detectives for things to be half way decent again and I just don't see that happening especially with all the retirements that are going to be taking place in the D-Unit in the next few years. Oh, and unless you have 24 years on the job, be prepared to enjoy your shit furloughs too. Currently the lowest seniority detective in the entire unit has 14 years on the job.
I imagine that the DOJ is gonna want to watch how this goes down
"The "invitation only" groups at HQ are in a dither as to how their "students" are going to memorize twice the data in half the time."
When the Chosen ones get promoted can you please omit the posts of the Handjobs praising them?
Well if it's all done at the same time and in May, at least people won't be sitting holidays and summer trying to study
Don't worry about it being a legitimate exam. The old list was depleted of diversity, so figure on some shenanigans.
As for study groups, STAY AWAY from the overcrowded Roberts Group.
They were pulling in $$$ from late-comers and were totally disorganized trying to get the first few sessions started.
Don't going throwing away hundreds of dollars into something you can do yourself with a couple buddies.
Find a small group if you can or want to, especially if someone was/is a Det.
Read the GO's, know that the highlighted sections are what's important. Especially all the newest of orders.
Crime scene, ISRs, Shootings, Evidence, Cameras, Use of Force, DV, Juv, all that civil rights current in-the-news crap is important.
Good luck and maybe there will be a class out by Sep.
OT I hope everyone is familiar with the guilty Liang verdict from New York City. Act accordingly.
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/doj-sues-ferguson-after-council-votes-to-revise-consent-decree/article_462ad4dc-6746-5a1b-b006-452f93f45cfe.html
DOJ sues Ferguson over consent decree
Anonymous said...
All you people do is complain. I take a positive approach to things. Case in point, the department just announced a Detective's Test. Well, many of you remember The Doer.
This is the protoge of The Doer. I have already started to study.
While you people complain, I am working on my career.
Cheers,
The Protoge of The Doer
2/11/2016 11:04:00 PM
____________________
I am assigned to the academy. Although I have no interest in this exam, the printers at the academy are overheated. We are running out of paper. Since most instructors work two hours a week, they have plenty of time to study. The copy room (yes, there is a copy room) is swamped with people who are overheating the copiers. These are industrial copiers. The paper is being used quickly.
I am happy being an instructor. For that reason, I am not taking the test.
For those of you who are taking the test, good luck competing with the people who are assigned to the academy.
Good...
This means the feds have taken over CPD promotions?
Maybe they should be looking at imprisoning all the exempts
who ran secret study groups over the last 25 years and their
"students" who profited greatly from stolen promotions.
The "best and brightest" in a dead dog's hockey-dot...
Let's see "Clout" dragged out kicking, screaming and shitting from it's
hiding place into the light to get it's teeth yanked out with pliers.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&
In summary, you should study harder. The end.
Anonymous said...
Why would anyone want to be a Detective right now?
2/12/2016 03:27:00 AM
Better than a Sgt.....and more $$
OT --
...and now they want to waive the citizenship requirement for officers.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/7/71/1319730/marlen-garcia-3
Going to be real interesting dealing with people from totally different cultures and contexts, from places with radically different legal systems and no tradition of individual freedom.
I don't mean "different hairstyle," I mean fundamentally different worldview. Nothing worse than sudden Authority, coupled with various resentments and a rule book that will be followed to the letter.
Someone I knew wrote his college thesis on the bureaucracy in India. Wow.
ITs a great job....right!?
Every detective glows about the amount of money they make.....
But, they work 100 hr weeks, never attend family functions and neglect their children.
Oh, and neglect their health.
Leave the job now why you can.
Writing is all over the walls people....LEAVE
Anonymous said...
Saturation team north will not be taking the test. They were all promised meritorious if the DOJ doesn't indict them.
2/12/2016 08:23:00 AM
You must be one of the jealous officers. Everything we do is 100% legitimate and by the book.
Bernstein is livid... With the tests all in one day he's gonna lose out on a ton of money. Especially since ha preliminary schedule he had out put the test in October and all his classes going through the spring and summer
2/12/2016 01:38:00 AM
I know re-reading what you type is an option, but... WTF!?
Anonymous said...
Don't worry about it being a legitimate exam. The old list was depleted of diversity, so figure on some shenanigans.
As for study groups, STAY AWAY from the overcrowded Roberts Group.
They were pulling in $$$ from late-comers and were totally disorganized trying to get the first few sessions started.
Don't going throwing away hundreds of dollars into something you can do yourself with a couple buddies.
Find a small group if you can or want to, especially if someone was/is a Det.
Read the GO's, know that the highlighted sections are what's important. Especially all the newest of orders.
Crime scene, ISRs, Shootings, Evidence, Cameras, Use of Force, DV, Juv, all that civil rights current in-the-news crap is important.
Good luck and maybe there will be a class out by Sep.
2/12/2016 11:32:00 AM
___________________________________
Most importantly,
Be ready for the test,
Be prepared for anything,
Make sure that you outscore everyone else,
Be two steps ahead of the exam,
Write the highest scoring exam,
You will make it to the rank of Detective.
Anonymous said...
Do yourself a favor and stay in patrol. It's not the job it used to be. Be prepared to have no life, terrible health, lots of stress, a nice long commute in most cases, and to age rapidly. For those of you that refuse to listen, I suggest learning how to type properly because you're going to be typing reports until your fingers bleed. They need to double the current amount of detectives for things to be half way decent again and I just don't see that happening especially with all the retirements that are going to be taking place in the D-Unit in the next few years. Oh, and unless you have 24 years on the job, be prepared to enjoy your shit furloughs too. Currently the lowest seniority detective in the entire unit has 14 years on the job.
2/12/2016 10:21:00 AM
_____________________
No, I do not want any of that. I am going to make detective so that I can get a take home car. I will gas the car at the city pumps and use it for personal use. I will handle my personal affair while on the job. Just like all of the other detectives. Some detectives gas up their personal cars at the city pumps.
Good luck you all can have it patrol is ok for me!!!
Compile and publish a list of "subject matter experts" then play "match" when the results come out
It was in the late 80's when I should have been in the 3rd class but I was passed over by affirmative action balancing and just weeks before it was my turn, the test got taken down by the courts. Waited years for that test. In retrospect, probably the best thing that could have happened to me.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Spoke to a few guys that just made detective..
They said fuck this.. they had no idea it would be this shitty a job.
They are overwhelmed.
2/12/2016 07:31:00 AM
They are right. Don't expect this to be any fun, and cool, like in the movies. If you do, you are an imbecile. Expect never-ending aggravation, bullshit, and frustration, that never stops. And if you walk away from it today, it will just b there waiting for you tomorrow.
Being a Detective is the best job in the department. Anyone who says different is wrong. You are treated like and adult so YOU ARE EXPECTED TO ACT LIKE AN ADULT. The people who don t like this job are the ones who never do their job. Supervisors in the D don't bother you as long as you handle your jobs. Period. Typing sucks if you don't stay on top of it snowballs FAST. The job has changed but the key is and always has been being able to talk to people. ERI is never going away. Talking to offenders under the camera is no big deal.......... get them talking keep them talking.
Be comfortable reciting the Miranda warnings. Do not read them from the FOP BOOK. There are only things you are required to inform a person in custody, 4.
1 you have the right to remain silent. 2 anything you say may be used against you in a court of law 3 You have the right to an attorney. 4 If you want and attorney and can not afford one will be appointed for you, for free. (the for free is what the CCSAO wants) Juveniles require the additional statement to them that You will be charged as an adult in automatic transfer cases, and you maybe charged as an adult in the other cases. That's all you need to inform the offender.
Best job in the Department !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take the test you wont be sorry
Have things changed that much? I was a detective in homicide and I thought it was the greatest job in the greatest unit with the greatest bunch of people that I ever had. My mistake was that I took the sergeants exam and made it. I should have stayed in the area. But, as I recall from my exam and some subsequent exams that I helped people do well on, there was a logic portion to the exam. If there is in this one, you can prepare for it and do well by buying logic solution books at the book store and practice them. They use a grid system to solve the problems and the same grid system can be used to solve any logic problem. I hope this helps.
Anonymous said...
OT I hope everyone is familiar with the guilty Liang verdict from New York City. Act accordingly.
2/12/2016 11:41:00 AM
Yes, it seems that there is no such thing as an accident these days. I also recall that the Brooklyn DA charged some cops with burglary for entering an apartment looking for an offender and searching the apartment. I believe the officers were convicted.
Detective is the worst job in the department. The typing and paperwork never ends. You'll age quickly from the stress and overtime. Every detective I know is either divorced, has a wife running around on him, overweight, has health problems, and/or suffers from a lack of proper sleep. You'll be told a million times it's the best job in the department, but it's not true. The extra $300 a month take home pay is not worth your mental and physical health. Stay on a beat car, answer calls, and go home safe every day.
Both tests in one day, yet you still don't get part 1 scan-tron answers until months later. Part one should be graded immediately on site in the presence of you and an inspector, it's completely possible because it's scan-tron. Those that pass will take part 2. Yet the department still wants to hide the grading of part 1 results from all the candidates. Why? So the Chosen Ones can still pass past 1. Wouldn't it save a ton of effort and money if only those that passed took part 2? Yes, but you can't fix it when it's graded in plain view. Best of luck to those who take it.
Lay person? What is the difference (definition) of merit vs. testing? Sgt K. Schnoor Chiczewski (1st sgt class June 2015) replaces Sedevic as Escalante's admin sgt. Her sister becomes E.T. first class.After all, it's "the Chicago Way". It's all legit.Hubby Sgt T.Schnoor class Feb/2016.....
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------disgusted by this said...
Hey, speaking of 010, how about this one? Ralph Chiczewski has two daughters on the job, one in 011 and one in 010. The one in 010 is still on probation fromthe academy and ralphie called the commander to get her on days cause midnights was ruining her social life. So now she's listed as a school car, but works the day desk with under 2 years on. How soon till the daughters make detectives or sergeants? some single guy could go far on this job marrying them!
10/02/2005 10:58:00 PM
Who wants to be a detective now that Denis W is gone? No mentor to emulate or entertain us. The city is going to miss the guy and wish they had him around still...
Detective is the best job in this Department! You don't have to follow the radio, need days off, no issue there, you are your own boss, work your own cases. You don't have to wear the blues anymore, 10 years of being a Detective and no complaints.. Anything is better than patrol or secret squirrel teams lol
say good bye to your family. hope your kids will remember you.
get yourselves into the Eddie Johnson study group.
Its a good job but long hours in court and at work. Expect to get called in on your day off if an Alert pops or if Fugitive picks up your offender on a holiday. Murders getting more difficult to get charged now and the police shooting investigative process is turning into a political fiasco now and you dont want to be left holding the bag in the end. RBT and SVU are where everyone is going now. There you have a life with less aggravation.
I'm pulling a Jackie Robinson baseball move...IF YOU AIN'T CHEATING YOU AIN'T WINNING ☺
going over the packet, I feel the klout kiddies will still be able to cheat just fine.
weird how the exempts used to create the test never have to sin a confidentiality agreement.
SO Mr IAD exempt looks over order and picks out rule for confidential CR.
Mr IAD lets his desk dollie knows over lunch that the order may be important.
2nd scenario Exempt IN human resource print up each order being used for the test
cover sheet has in nice bold type a list of all the relevant orders.
What a surprise a higher percentage of desk dollies at HQ score in top 400.
I wish you all good luck.
I'm sure the "subject matter experts" at HQ will figure out a way to make their star students quite successful.
Why'd the police kill an unarmed man? Nowadays anything short of a bazooka is considered unarmed by the "community" and the media.
Anonymous said...
Dont bother studying. The exams have always been designed to measure intellect; nothing one can study for. So, if someone has failed the test before, you will flop on it again, unless you throw in a random guess here and there. Save your money by not joining study groups either.
2/12/2016 08:49:00 AM
Do you actually believe it's on the square?
I'd like to sell you a bridge or two.
They need more highly qualified detectives. Our detectives are okay but not for a major city. We should test and train better.
Retired Det. Lt.
"Do yourself a favor and stay in patrol. It's not the job it used to be. Be prepared to have no life, terrible health, lots of stress, a nice long commute in most cases, and to age rapidly."
Ok STAY in patrol dummy.
Answer your radio, you don't want to, ok Redlined. Can I please take my lunch, really. I need to go to a family function, time due DENIED.
By the way the dogs/favorites are no where to be found, Handle the traffic accident. Oh and don't forget your numbers are down, think about keeping your car.
Do I need to go On and on and on.
Get the picture.
OT
here is the DOJ's report on Ferguson PD
http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf
Whadaya got kid?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Saturation team north will not be taking the test. They were all promised meritorious if the DOJ doesn't indict them.
2/12/2016 08:23:00 AM
Then they will never be promoted. You can't be promoted if you didn't take the test
More court, more liability, more nonsense. Sign me up!!
Make everyone on area north saturation a dective. They are good at detecting crime. Considering they are the ones that do all them ISRs. Seemed funnier in me head.
Anonymous said...
Spoke to a few guys that just made detective..
They said fuck this.. they had no idea it would be this shitty a job.
They are overwhelmed.
2/12/2016 07:31:00 AM
Here's a little advice from a retired detective. Hang in there. I think everyone oof us initially felt that way. It gets better once you settle in and get used to it. It's a good job and helps with you pension. Gook luck, it only gets better and easier
meant for young guys will no family and no life
Anonymous said...
The Chicago murder clearance rate is terrible. Less than 30%.
Hopefully more detectives will help in locking up the thugs and gang bangers.
2/12/2016 01:36:00 AM
Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! You're so funny.
The Chicago murder clearance rate is terrible. Less than 30%.
Hopefully more detectives will help in locking up the thugs and gang bangers.
2/12/2016 01:36:00 AM
As long as the thugs and gangbangers are just killing each other, who gives a fuck about the clearance rate? If the few homicides involving actual innocent citizens are solved, that's all that matters. More dead bangers is a good thing. Let them all kill each other. If they're locked up, they can't shoot each other.
Id rather look up my ass with a mirror
Take The test! No matter what people tell you its way better than working in patrol. If you don't mind working there is plenty of OT if you want. If you don't want a lot of OT there are spots for you too. It's a lot more responsibility and a lot of paperwork but it is manageable. Good luck to everyone who takes it and I hope to see you at an area soon.
No thanks.. With that job its your home life or your job. Far too many hours.
2/12/2016 06:13:00 AM
Isn't that the truth. If you're one of those soft in the head types that puts the job before their family and likes being at work more than being at home and spending time with your wife and kids, then this is the job for you. If you're one of those people that can't get enough overtime, needs 2 summer homes, multiple new cars, and a 3 week Hawaiian vacation every year, then this is the job for you. If you're one of those officers that enjoys hanging around court all day on their days off because you have nothing better to do with your life, then this job is for you.
If you're one of those officers that can't stand to stay an hour past check off or go to court, then I highly recommend you pass this one up. If you can't type at least 50 words a minute, need spell check, or can't string a coherent sentence together, then I recommend you pass this one up. Those ugly ass reports that some of you turn in that look like a 1st grader wrote them aren't going to fly in the D-Unit. There are sergeants that will literally kick your reports back filled with red ink corrections. If you're an incompetent fool then I suggest you wait for a meritorious sergeant spot because there's no hiding in the D-Unit. Your incompetence will be known by all.
Absolutely the best job on the department. Lots of paperwork but with it can come great satisfaction in taking violent criminals off the street. I left a few years ago to make Sergeant and have regretted it every day since.
2/12/2016 01:32:00 AM
^ Crack smoker.
To all the ones telling the test takers that being a detective sucks, why not let them figure that out for themselves. If they don't like detective position they can always go back to patrol. And yes, I speak from experience as being a detective since 1998. Yes some days are bad but more are good. And if it was that bad I would have gone back to patrol. (NOT)
Is, how to re-classify homicides as death investigations going to be on the new test????
You CAN make it legit. No matter what stats say, race is not the a preeminent factor, trust me I am speaking from personal experience. I have had individuals of all ethnic groups, including my own, tell me that I must have known someone to have scored successfully.
Nonbelievers never commit fully to studying and the sacrifice it takes. But as time goes on, more people are realizing that anyone can score off the list once they understand the testing process. I spent 6 months just researching testing techniques without reading an order. While I did not receive a top score, the studying got me a score that put me in the game.
Took the 1998 detective and scored 500 or so. Made it off the next to last list and it was a great job then.
Took the 2001 Sgts exam. Bombed it with a score of nearly 1000, I was pissed at first. Then introspectively I realized that I got the score that I deserved and vowed to do better.
Took the 2007 Sgts exam and scored around 200 or so and made it. It has been a dynamic experience and I am fortunate to have worked and be working with members of all ranks.
Currently under 100 on the current Lt. exam. If I make it good, if not it's ok I tried. My mom and dad always told me that I am promised nothing in this life.....and this job for that matter
I consider myself lucky to have done been able to take these exams in a span of just over 20 years.
Before being promoted every time, I wonder if I will have what it takes be effective in the rank, to be respected by all those I will work with. I have to add, detective is a great job, and sgt. is better...
In my experience in life and this job, if you give respect 80% of the time you will get it in return. 10% of people will make you prove it to them thorough action, and 10% are just too far gone to be reached and will never comply.
Some will talk shit behind your back. They will say you made it because of____________, when in fact, they are usually bitter, jealous, or did not put in time to study. That's life. Someone will always not like you for whatever reason, so what. Life ain't always fair.
IMHO, try not to take oneself to seriously, try to get along with others, it is OK to say you don't know something (just try to find the answer), and try to earn the respect of the guys doing the work by pitching in when necessary, but never compromise your responsibilities in order to be liked.
Bosses are always looking for good people of all ranks. You will be able to move around the Department when people see you are knowledgeable, hard working, with a great attitude, thereby creating your own "whack".
If you have less than 10 years otj, take the friggen test dammit. Trust me. Don't listen to these crotchety old farts.
Everyone will pass part 1 and take part two same day. Score will be cumulative I'm sure and then scaled accordingly to pass whoever needs to. Different test same city results.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Absolutely the best job on the department. Lots of paperwork but with it can come great satisfaction in taking violent criminals off the street. I left a few years ago to make Sergeant and have regretted it every day since.
2/12/2016 01:32:00 am
and we've regretted having you on the watch every day since.
Re... Why would anyone want to be a Detective right now?
2/12/2016 03:27:00 AM
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Let's see??? Oh, I made $201K last year and never did any special. Guess what? You can see your family as muc as you want- drive the police car home and visit- have dinner- meet them put them to bed, you're not in patrol folks & it's wonderful (and profitable).
So cbs channel 2's Dave Savino confromts an officer at his home while walking his dog, puting his house and cars on TV for all the thugs to target.
Here is Dave Savinis address
3119 Gateshead drive
Naperville, Il 60564-3168
630-904-2464
Hiring Dets instead of a massive hiring of Patrolman is like the Dutch buying spoons instead of brick and mortar.
No test in 14 years quit beefing form your own study group
Darn hair gels
Don't waste your money on CPD Test Prep. The guy who owns that company is Brad Woods and some sgt. from 020. They are a joke. I signed up for their sgt. test. Here is a list of their follies: 1. They didn't inform people until week two or week three of their classes. 2. They didn't give out the usb drive to everyone. They ran out of them and some people had to wait. 3. On week six or seven they moved their location from the high school auditorium to across the street. The only problem was they didn't inform others. The only way people found out was they saw others walking to the new location across the street. When I asked why they didn't post any flyers or have someone direct us to the new location the sergeant's wife just had a blank look on her face. 4. They kept promising that they will have essay practice exams but that never happened. 5. CPD Test Prep and Brad Woods are a joke. Avoid them like the plague.
My partner took Bernstein for the sgt. test. They had their act together. But in all reality, they are not worth it. Save your money. Bernstein isn't cheap. If you want the information organized then just join one of the ethnic police organizations. Even if you are not Latino, Asian or Irish, they can not deny you membership. You pay a small amount to join them and then you pay a reasonable amount ($25 to $50) to get their organized study guides. They also have classes. Or you can just take the study materials and study on your own.
For those who will be taking the detective exam good luck.
I don't know how it is now but it used to be the best job in the department. You were actually treated like an adult.
Anonymous said...
Do yourself a favor and stay in patrol. It's not the job it used to be. Be prepared to have no life, terrible health, lots of stress, a nice long commute in most cases, and to age rapidly. For those of you that refuse to listen, I suggest learning how to type properly because you're going to be typing reports until your fingers bleed. They need to double the current amount of detectives for things to be half way decent again and I just don't see that happening especially with all the retirements that are going to be taking place in the D-Unit in the next few years. Oh, and unless you have 24 years on the job, be prepared to enjoy your shit furloughs too. Currently the lowest seniority detective in the entire unit has 14 years on the job.
2/12/2016 10:21:00 AM
Only true if you work homicide, a lot of over time, long hours, always under pressure to solve, bosses always want to know what's going on in your case and tedious work. I work RBT and couldn't be happier; enough OT to keep me satisfied and no pressure. SVU is even easier.
The city took the advice of accountants and the "do more with less" motto of the private sector and applied it to a police department at the citizens expense. Well guess what it blew up in their face and the DOJ is here. Now they are scrambling to raise the staffing, training and equipment to acceptable levels before the city is mandated to do so by a judge. Beleive it or not it might be a good thing they are here. My prediction is the the test, grading and promotions will be done in record time before the DOJ investigation is completed in 10 months.
I hope everyone is familiar with the guilty Liang verdict from New York City. Act accordingly.
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Yes, very familiar with it. And I will keep doing my job. We don't get paid to do nothing. If you show up at a real job and do nothing you get fired. If you kill someone on this job be sure you acted appropriately so you don't get indicted. Just because you shoot someone doesn't mean it's a good shoot, it's on you then. You knew that (I hope) when you took the job. Don't assume the shoot first ask questions letter attitude still flies because it doesn't. Too many coppers always say rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6... I agree, but how about we just use our heads, the law and our training to avoid both. You see, in Chicago we blow off our training because we think we are above it or we are the real deal and are so tuff on the street no fool in the academy can teach us anything.. This is why when coppers have to testify at depositions they get eaten alive.. They don't know the law, policy or procedures. If you know this stuff it will save your life and your career.. Also, the gun nut hardos just wanna get into a shooting because it shows how awesome of a shot they are.. We all know the guys... Use your training and learn something and don't end up like this guy or van dyke who I really hate to say stepped on his own wang and screwed up
Absolutely the best job on the department. Lots of paperwork but with it can come great satisfaction in taking violent criminals off the street. I left a few years ago to make Sergeant and have regretted it every day since.
Did you turn into an idiot or were you born that way? Great satisfaction? What? Another Jim Jones Guyana Kool Aid drinker. Job is way different from when you were doing nothing with no accountability Sarge. Most responsibility and paperwork in the dept. Good luck to those that have a decent spot now and take this demotion with a raise. Only thing left is not being tied to the radio. 19 yrs on. Can't get past March for a furlough.
You can keep it.
Anonymous said...
Do yourself a favor and stay in patrol. It's not the job it used to be. Be prepared to have no life, terrible health, lots of stress, a nice long commute in most cases, and to age rapidly. For those of you that refuse to listen, I suggest learning how to type properly because you're going to be typing reports until your fingers bleed. They need to double the current amount of detectives for things to be half way decent again and I just don't see that happening especially with all the retirements that are going to be taking place in the D-Unit in the next few years. Oh, and unless you have 24 years on the job, be prepared to enjoy your shit furloughs too. Currently the lowest seniority detective in the entire unit has 14 years on the job.
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Since when do detectives have their own seniority? It isn't civil service.That was the good thing, seniority goes with you. What changed?
Before being promoted every time, I wonder if I will have what it takes be effective in the rank, to be respected by all those I will work with. I have to add, detective is a great job, and sgt. is better...
In my experience in life and this job, if you give respect 80% of the time you will get it in return. 10% of people will make you prove it to them thorough action, and 10% are just too far gone to be reached and will never comply.
Some will talk shit behind your back. They will say you made it because of____________, when in fact, they are usually bitter, jealous, or did not put in time to study. That's life. Someone will always not like you for whatever reason, so what. Life ain't always fair.
IMHO, try not to take oneself to seriously, try to get along with others, it is OK to say you don't know something (just try to find the answer), and try to earn the respect of the guys doing the work by pitching in when necessary, but never compromise your responsibilities in order to be liked.
Bosses are always looking for good people of all ranks. You will be able to move around the Department when people see you are knowledgeable, hard working, with a great attitude, thereby creating your own "whack".
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What department do you work for?!
Maybe this test will be compromised as well
This is my opinion based on being a Detective for one year now.
Being a Detective is still a great job. If you're in that "rut" that patrol eventually brings to most semi-working cops, it's like a new lease on life as a cop again.
You are now treated like an adult. You get assignments, nobody is going to check up on you, see if your doing it right, give you moral support etc. You made it here (legitimately, right?) so you're expected to be smart enough figure it out. It's amazing how you go from zero responsibility for 20 years, to being the lead dick on a homicide in only 4 months. That's cool, man.
It's also wonderful to actually use your brain again. Figure out dudes M.O, do a lengthy interrogation. Study the crime scene, find important evidence, put together nicknames on contact cards to actual offenders. I don't know, I really enjoy it, kinda the reason I became a cop in the first place.
I'm sorry some of the other new dicks don't like it, but I got to ask you this. The youngest guys promoted had a minimum of 14yrs on the job. Having that much time on minimum, how did you not know what to expect when you took the job?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hope everyone is familiar with the guilty Liang verdict from New York City. Act accordingly.
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Yes, very familiar with it. And I will keep doing my job. We don't get paid to do nothing. If you show up at a real job and do nothing you get fired. If you kill someone on this job be sure you acted appropriately so you don't get indicted. Just because you shoot someone doesn't mean it's a good shoot, it's on you then. You knew that (I hope) when you took the job. Don't assume the shoot first ask questions letter attitude still flies because it doesn't. Too many coppers always say rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6... I agree, but how about we just use our heads, the law and our training to avoid both. You see, in Chicago we blow off our training because we think we are above it or we are the real deal and are so tuff on the street no fool in the academy can teach us anything.. This is why when coppers have to testify at depositions they get eaten alive.. They don't know the law, policy or procedures. If you know this stuff it will save your life and your career.. Also, the gun nut hardos just wanna get into a shooting because it shows how awesome of a shot they are.. We all know the guys... Use your training and learn something and don't end up like this guy or van dyke who I really hate to say stepped on his own wang and screwed up
2/12/2016 11:57:00 PM
What did Darren Wilson do wrong?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Id rather look up my ass with a mirror
2/12/2016 05:47:00 PM
is that where you're hiding the answers to the test?
...Use your training and learn something and don't end up like this guy or van dyke who I really hate to say stepped on his own wang and screwed up
2/12/2016 11:57:00 PM
you are an asshole know-it-all... glad i don't have to spend a tour with you. you don't know what you are talking about. you deserve the aclu award.
Here's the quote by which you should be remembered: " If you kill someone on this job be sure you acted appropriately so you don't get indicted."
Go ahead and tell that to anyone who has to work with you so they know up front they are working with a softball.
11:57 PM, you have it all figured out. Do you your job and act accordingly right? I have seen plenty of coppers jammed up for doing just that. Most recently the poor kid in 011 that did his job, ASA called for FBI to investigate the shooting, Mayor shits all over the kid, and our own supt puts him on desk duty indefinitely and now everyone must be cit trained. All of this just to keep the beast happy. But hey, keep doing your job, but next time post your name so we know not to attend your benefit when you eventually get fucked over by this city.
Yes, very familiar with it. And I will keep doing my job. We don't get paid to do nothing. If you show up at a real job and do nothing you get fired. If you kill someone on this job be sure you acted appropriately so you don't get indicted. Just because you shoot someone doesn't mean it's a good shoot, it's on you then. You knew that (I hope) when you took the job. Don't assume the shoot first ask questions letter attitude still flies because it doesn't. Too many coppers always say rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6... I agree, but how about we just use our heads, the law and our training to avoid both. You see, in Chicago we blow off our training because we think we are above it or we are the real deal and are so tuff on the street no fool in the academy can teach us anything.. This is why when coppers have to testify at depositions they get eaten alive.. They don't know the law, policy or procedures. If you know this stuff it will save your life and your career.. Also, the gun nut hardos just wanna get into a shooting because it shows how awesome of a shot they are.. We all know the guys... Use your training and learn something and don't end up like this guy or van dyke who I really hate to say stepped on his own wang and screwed up
If your really are a cop, you are a sorry excuse for one.
Fuck that promotion. I sit at 26&Cal and listen to the wannabe Dick Tracy's trading "war stories". They practically live in the fucking building, eat out of roach coaches, get no sleep...... For what? A few extra thousand a year? It's not worth the stress and aggravation.
Being a dick used to be a kick-ass gig. Especially if you can be murder police. But now your just a glorified PO who does ten times the paperwork.
Nope. I'll just enjoy my early working-retirement, sitting on my hands. I'm never going back to working midnights or afternoons. Not for any amount of money......
Is, how to re-classify homicides as death investigations going to be on the new test????
2/12/2016 07:21:00 PM
Don't worry about studying that part, your Sgt or Lt will re-classify it for you.
They need more highly qualified detectives. Our detectives are okay but not for a major city. We should test and train better.
Retired Det. Lt.
2/12/2016 04:36:00 PM
I was thinking the same thing, until I learned it was our lesser trained Lt who wasn't qualified to train goats.
Maybe Dave was drunk again.
Anonymous said...
Saturation team north will not be taking the test. They were all promised meritorious if the DOJ doesn't indict them.
2/12/2016 08:23:00 AM
You must be one of the jealous officers. Everything we do is 100% legitimate and by the book.
2/12/2016 01:02:00 PM
"yea bro... im in a "unit" bro.... i wear jeans on my fridays bro... i do real police work bro.... can i get a transport for my tvb bro..."
Legit !??? That's what the SOS guys said.....
Anonymous said...
Saturation team north will not be taking the test. They were all promised meritorious if the DOJ doesn't indict them.
2/12/2016 08:23:00 AM
You must be one of the jealous officers. Everything we do is 100% legitimate and by the book.
I took the test in the 70's. Scored OK, because back then, it was deemed to be the most legit test on the Department. Went through the shorty school for dicks, and hit the street. It was without doubt, the best job I ever had, including Unit Commander. Outside my Area, (Dicks can travel outside their beat boundaries, I met a classmate from the "D" school, transporting a prisoner to the Area. He reverted to the Wagon crew that he loved. His reasoning, it was too much work to be a Dick.
Get it, Y'all?
You will make it to the rank of Detective...
Detective is not a rank, you're still a P.O. it's an assignment, not a promotion.
Best job in the city???? Yeah right, I want to be swamped with endless paperwork over bullshit and then communicate with idiots, it's not the best job anywhere unless your a desk bitch who doesn't want to be on the streets being the real police. Oh and I also don't want to make 50,000 in overtime either because I have a life with my family and every chance I get to be with them is priceless. Manage your money better.
yeah, keep doing your job. tell that to darren wilson......wake up, troll.
My partner took Bernstein for the sgt. test. They had their act together. But in all reality, they are not worth it. Save your money. Bernstein isn't cheap. If you want the information organized then just join one of the ethnic police organizations. Even if you are not Latino, Asian or Irish, they can not deny you membership. You pay a small amount to join them and then you pay a reasonable amount ($25 to $50) to get their organized study guides. They also have classes. Or you can just take the study materials and study on your own.
Yes I took study classes with LAPA years ago when I was in 010. They sure helped me get promoted. And, I am not latino .They did not care
Yes, very familiar with it. And I will keep doing my job. We don't get paid to do nothing. If you show up at a real job and do nothing you get fired. If you kill someone on this job be sure you acted appropriately so you don't get indicted. Just because you shoot someone doesn't mean it's a good shoot, it's on you then. You knew that (I hope) when you took the job. Don't assume the shoot first ask questions letter attitude still flies because it doesn't. Too many coppers always say rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6... I agree, but how about we just use our heads, the law and our training to avoid both. You see, in Chicago we blow off our training because we think we are above it or we are the real deal and are so tuff on the street no fool in the academy can teach us anything.. This is why when coppers have to testify at depositions they get eaten alive.. They don't know the law, policy or procedures. If you know this stuff it will save your life and your career.. Also, the gun nut hardos just wanna get into a shooting because it shows how awesome of a shot they are.. We all know the guys... Use your training and learn something and don't end up like this guy or van dyke who I really hate to say stepped on his own wang and screwed up
2/12/2016 11:57:00 PM
Spoken like a true 2 year wonder. You're a moron.
2/12/2016 10:21:00 AM
Only true if you work homicide, a lot of over time, long hours, always under pressure to solve, bosses always want to know what's going on in your case and tedious work. I work RBT and couldn't be happier; enough OT to keep me satisfied and no pressure. SVU is even easier.
2/12/2016 11:34:00 PM
Yeah well most of the new guys aren't going to get RBT on days. You telling everyone how great the D Unit is, is like the person handing out radios telling everyone how great patrol is. SVU is where you go when you're an incompetent fuck up or you're being "punished".
Gee I wonder what brain dead bimbo Pontecore is going to put in for merit "dickette". TT has been a real brain trust AC. One sentence investigations. "Beat A arrested Offender 1 case closed"
Let's see??? Oh, I made $201K last year and never did any special. Guess what? You can see your family as muc as you want- drive the police car home and visit- have dinner- meet them put them to bed, you're not in patrol folks & it's wonderful (and profitable).
2/12/2016 09:33:00 PM
If you made that much your kids don't even know who you are bullshitter. Now take your blood pressure pills and STFU.
Here's a little advice from a retired detective. Hang in there. I think everyone oof us initially felt that way. It gets better once you settle in and get used to it. It's a good job and helps with you pension. Gook luck, it only gets better and easier
2/12/2016 05:27:00 PM
Unless you retired within the last 2 years nobody wants your advice because it's irrelevant. The job changed so much in the last five years that it's not the same job that you're probably talking about.
Court sucks. Enjoy getting promoted, I'll enjoy my RDOs
good luck to all - we need many more detectives
I was always amazed at McCarthy - he brought everything NYC to CHicago - except the ratio of patrol:detectives
NYC had a 7:1 ration and CPD had a 12:1 ratio (or close to that)
Yes, very familiar with it. And I will keep doing my job. We don't get paid to do nothing. If you show up at a real job and do nothing you get fired. If you kill someone on this job be sure you acted appropriately so you don't get indicted. Just because you shoot someone doesn't mean it's a good shoot, it's on you then. You knew that (I hope) when you took the job. Don't assume the shoot first ask questions letter attitude still flies because it doesn't. Too many coppers always say rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6... I agree, but how about we just use our heads, the law and our training to avoid both. You see, in Chicago we blow off our training because we think we are above it or we are the real deal and are so tuff on the street no fool in the academy can teach us anything.. This is why when coppers have to testify at depositions they get eaten alive.. They don't know the law, policy or procedures. If you know this stuff it will save your life and your career.. Also, the gun nut hardos just wanna get into a shooting because it shows how awesome of a shot they are.. We all know the guys... Use your training and learn something and don't end up like this guy or van dyke who I really hate to say stepped on his own wang and screwed up
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Don't know that I've ever seen this much common sense displayed here.
Usually, it's the same old macho, "Us vs Them" bullshit.
It restores my faith to know guys of your ilk are still among us.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So cbs channel 2's Dave Savino confromts an officer at his home while walking his dog, puting his house and cars on TV for all the thugs to target.
Here is Dave Savinis address
3119 Gateshead drive
Naperville, Il 60564-3168
630-904-2464
2/12/2016 09:44:00 PM
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Ya what a nasty low-class prick that guy is. How are you supposed to move a guy who refuses to move? Magically wish him somewhere else?
Detective is a great job. Made it 2 classes ago. Yes it can get overwhelming If you don't keep up. You learn which jobs to spend more time on and work. As for typing there are days you need to devote to typing all day. But you have to want it. 22 years on job and I wish this happened earlier. Good luck
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who wants to be a detective now that Denis W is gone? No mentor to emulate or entertain us. The city is going to miss the guy and wish they had him around still...
2/12/2016 03:03:00 PM
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Area North homicide guys haven't heard one funny joke since he left. Can we hire a clown or something to lift their spirits? It's just not the same sucking a Sgt's ass. We need like a Lt. or Cpt. clown.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hope everyone is familiar with the guilty Liang verdict from New York City. Act accordingly.
I think everyone is familiar with it. The rookie officer had an "accidental discharge" and killed a person. However, there is nothing "accidental" about pulling the trigger on a gun. Gun's don't just "go off." It is called a negligent discharge. It is a tragic incident for the victim, the family, and also the officer and his family. However, the officer F*CKED UP, BIG TIME!!!!
On the way out in two years and I'm done with promotional exams. KMA. The politicians and the city brought us to our knees with cut backs and no promotions. From the knees to fetal is not too far of a move.
Anonymous said...
So cbs channel 2's Dave Savino confromts an officer at his home while walking his dog, puting his house and cars on TV for all the thugs to target.
Here is Dave Savinis address
3119 Gateshead drive
Naperville, Il 60564-3168
630-904-2464
2/12/2016 09:44:00 PM
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/02/12/2-investigators-cop-in-jail-video-had-prior-record/
Savini has nerve criticizing a officer's prior record at his home. I wonder if Dave has a valid driver license after his arrest. Hey Dave, those who live in a glass house should not throw stones.
Start your own group and quit your complaining .
Let's see??? Oh, I made $201K last year and never did any special. Guess what? You can see your family as muc as you want- drive the police car home and visit- have dinner- meet them put them to bed, you're not in patrol folks & it's wonderful (and profitable).
2/12/2016 09:33:00 PM
Bet you wouldn't make that if you were required to swipe in and out!! That's considered theft. You want to legitimize the CPD start making everyone swipe IN and OUT.
Can't sue if you don't play !
Since when do detectives have their own seniority? It isn't civil service.That was the good thing, seniority goes with you. What changed?
2/13/2016 01:47:00 AM
Nobody said they have their own seniority. The OP said that the lowest seniority in the D Unit is 14 years. In other words if you have 14 years on the job and were enjoying a 6, 7, 8, or 9 furlough, get ready to start enjoying your 1 Full when you get made.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who wants to be a detective now that Denis W is gone? No mentor to emulate or entertain us. The city is going to miss the guy and wish they had him around still...
2/12/2016 03:03:00 PM
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Area North homicide guys haven't heard one funny joke since he left. Can we hire a clown or something to lift their spirits? It's just not the same sucking a Sgt's ass. We need like a Lt. or Cpt. clown.
2/13/2016 09:52:00 AM
Hey!!!!! In Area South, we have Capt. D.Walsh, Lt. D.Walsh's cousin..... We'll send him your way stat,free of charge, all sales are final, no returns or exchanges...... I'll still wonder why there is a captain in each area detective division???? Not necessary
Only true if you work homicide, a lot of over time, long hours, always under pressure to solve, bosses always want to know what's going on in your case and tedious work. I work RBT and couldn't be happier; enough OT to keep me satisfied and no pressure. SVU is even easier.
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Obviously you're not a detective. RBT is busy as hell. Armed robberies are out of control in this city....the work NEVER ends. And SVU gets the biggest clusterfucks I've ever seen and the cases never friggen go away. I would not recommend anybody taking the Det. test. It's the most work and the most stressful job in the department. You're vision will be shot in about a year from all the friggen typing.
Do yourself a favor and stay in patrol. It's not the job it used to be. Be prepared to have no life, terrible health, lots of stress, a nice long commute in most cases, and to age rapidly. For those of you that refuse to listen, I suggest learning how to type properly because you're going to be typing reports until your fingers bleed. They need to double the current amount of detectives for things to be half way decent again and I just don't see that happening especially with all the retirements that are going to be taking place in the D-Unit in the next few years. Oh, and unless you have 24 years on the job, be prepared to enjoy your shit furloughs too. Currently the lowest seniority detective in the entire unit has 14 years on the job.
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Since when do detectives have their own seniority? It isn't civil service.That was the good thing, seniority goes with you. What changed?
2/13/2016 01:47:00 AM
Learn to read.
Have you ever seen a detective in a hurry?
2/13/2016 11:46:00 AM Theft of time has been a huge issue for a long time in this city.
My partner took Bernstein for the sgt. test. They had their act together. But in all reality, they are not worth it. Save your money. Bernstein isn't cheap. If you want the information organized then just join one of the ethnic police organizations. Even if you are not Latino, Asian or Irish, they can not deny you membership. You pay a small amount to join them and then you pay a reasonable amount ($25 to $50) to get their organized study guides. They also have classes. Or you can just take the study materials and study on your own.
I recommend Commander Voulgaris's study group. Its the Greek organization however he welcomes everyone. Class sizes are limited and all he asks is your dedication to class and a small donation for paper and incidentals. I am not Greek, and lived far away from the class location but I was dedicated and believe his class helped me get prepare for the test I was promoted off. I recommended others to his class and they scored well also. Save your money!!!
Yes, very familiar with it. And I will keep doing my job. We don't get paid to do nothing. If you show up at a real job and do nothing you get fired. If you kill someone on this job be sure you acted appropriately so you don't get indicted. Just because you shoot someone doesn't mean it's a good shoot, it's on you then. You knew that (I hope) when you took the job. Don't assume the shoot first ask questions letter attitude still flies because it doesn't. Too many coppers always say rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6... I agree, but how about we just use our heads, the law and our training to avoid both. You see, in Chicago we blow off our training because we think we are above it or we are the real deal and are so tuff on the street no fool in the academy can teach us anything.. This is why when coppers have to testify at depositions they get eaten alive.. They don't know the law, policy or procedures. If you know this stuff it will save your life and your career.. Also, the gun nut hardos just wanna get into a shooting because it shows how awesome of a shot they are.. We all know the guys... Use your training and learn something and don't end up like this guy or van dyke who I really hate to say stepped on his own wang and screwed up
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Don't know that I've ever seen this much common sense displayed here.
Usually, it's the same old macho, "Us vs Them" bullshit.
It restores my faith to know guys of your ilk are still among us.
2/13/2016 09:20:00 AM
The dept should send every officer to at least 40 hrs of law classes. Taught by law professionals not academy staff! Followed up by a refresher course every year of 2 to 3 days!
Sorry, I have met many P.O.'s that cannot articulate the difference between reasonable suspicion and probable cause!
Anonymous said...
Let's see??? Oh, I made $201K last year and never did any special. Guess what? You can see your family as muc as you want- drive the police car home and visit- have dinner- meet them put them to bed, you're not in patrol folks & it's wonderful (and profitable)
How foolish and DUMB you sounded on your comment. Yes, you made "$201K" including the time you stole when you were on duty. Good job, Detective! Make sure you tell your kids the bedtime story about the Big Bad Wolf who stole money from the City. No wonder cases are hardly being solve because of your greed. I'm not jealous how much money you made. But, I can sleep peacefully every night because I don't have a guilty conscience.
That copper should have asked Dave Savini how his DUI / Child Endangerment case was going while live on the air! What a bottom feeder!
When is area 2 range open?
Anonymous said...
Let's see??? Oh, I made $201K last year and never did any special. Guess what? You can see your family as muc as you want- drive the police car home and visit- have dinner- meet them put them to bed, you're not in patrol folks & it's wonderful (and profitable).
2/12/2016 09:33:00 PM
Bullshit. Troll.
Who cares? Don't even bother! Way to much police work. I'm KMA now screw this job and department! Its time to pay a brother for life!
Wow, does anyone want to be the real police anymore. I retire 4 years ago and was a dick for 20 years. Less beefing and more laughing will get you to the end. Being a dick is what you make it to be. Respect and be good to the patrol guys will make their day. So the fuck what they think their case is great when it is not. Take the time to mentor some patrol guys, they are the hero' of the CPD, not dicks. The dick' should make certain the beat guy gets all the credit for a great pinch.
Studying for the test will be a hit or miss. You ghetto street patrol guys handle every crime on the books in two years.
The only beef I had was when SVU youth officers got to be detectives and that was a joke. They were out of their league, they knew shit and thought they did.
Kid', don't give up on the job and start hating, that is worse then just doing what you where hired to do. Salary is decent and if you really always wanted to be the police, and it was a calling , you will make it to the end.
Nless all you great street copper', patrol or dick'.
The dept should send every officer to at least 40 hrs of law classes. Taught by law professionals not academy staff! Followed up by a refresher course every year of 2 to 3 days!
Sorry, I have met many P.O.'s that cannot articulate the difference between reasonable suspicion and probable cause!
2/13/2016 05:43:00 PM
I totally agree with this
Best job STILL. Waiving a Sgt. promotion indefinitely. Fuck the pension bump, fuck the 200 hours, fuck the inflated ego of being a "boss." If you can't figure out how to make the detective promotion work for you, you'll never figure anything out. Yeah yeah yeah...save the "it's not a REAL promotion" bullshit you jealous assholes. No merit, no favors owed here either. AND yes I chased the pack and kicked in doors on the westside too. The jealousy on this department is unbelievable. Take the test, get PROMOTED, and make it work for you
great satisfaction in taking violent criminals off the street. I left a few years ago to make Sergeant and have regretted it every day since.
Hey SuckHole, you can always go back
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Do yourself a favor and stay in patrol. It's not the job it used to be. Be prepared to have no life, terrible health, lots of stress, a nice long commute in most cases, and to age rapidly. For those of you that refuse to listen, I suggest learning how to type properly because you're going to be typing reports until your fingers bleed. They need to double the current amount of detectives for things to be half way decent again and I just don't see that happening especially with all the retirements that are going to be taking place in the D-Unit in the next few years. Oh, and unless you have 24 years on the job, be prepared to enjoy your shit furloughs too. Currently the lowest seniority detective in the entire unit has 14 years on the job.
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Since when do detectives have their own seniority? It isn't civil service.That was the good thing, seniority goes with you. What changed?
2/13/2016 01:47:00 AM
Learn to read.
2/13/2016 03:47:00 PM
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are you a recent immigrant? wtf? detectives have senority, and if you want days you need about 22 years on or so. wtf is hard about this?
I recommend Commander Voulgaris's study group.
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I know in the past, guys bad mouthed Eli, all unfounded b.s. Eli would give a copper a shirt off his back to one in need. Heart of gold and glad he is still around. Retired now, and I cannot say enough good things about Eli. Just a good Greek Guy. I can see him doing the right thing for the street guys, Eli knows the game and the job and will not send you down the wrong road. I wish I could help him out after being a dick for over 20 years. Remember guys, GOCR reporting can be very different in so many cases. The sex cases can confuse many. Compare UCR codes to Chapter 38. ! Best of luck future Gucci suit wearers.
You CAN make it legit. No matter what stats say, race is not the a preeminent factor, trust me I am speaking from personal experience. I have had individuals of all ethnic groups, including my own, tell me that I must have known someone to have scored successfully.
Nonbelievers never commit fully to studying and the sacrifice it takes. But as time goes on, more people are realizing that anyone can score off the list once they understand the testing process. I spent 6 months just researching testing techniques without reading an order. While I did not receive a top score, the studying got me a score that put me in the game.
Took the 1998 detective and scored 500 or so. Made it off the next to last list and it was a great job then.
Took the 2001 Sgts exam. Bombed it with a score of nearly 1000, I was pissed at first. Then introspectively I realized that I got the score that I deserved and vowed to do better.
Took the 2007 Sgts exam and scored around 200 or so and made it. It has been a dynamic experience and I am fortunate to have worked and be working with members of all ranks.
Currently under 100 on the current Lt. exam. If I make it good, if not it's ok I tried. My mom and dad always told me that I am promised nothing in this life.....and this job for that matter
I consider myself lucky to have done been able to take these exams in a span of just over 20 years.
Before being promoted every time, I wonder if I will have what it takes be effective in the rank, to be respected by all those I will work with. I have to add, detective is a great job, and sgt. is better...
In my experience in life and this job, if you give respect 80% of the time you will get it in return. 10% of people will make you prove it to them thorough action, and 10% are just too far gone to be reached and will never comply.
Some will talk shit behind your back. They will say you made it because of____________, when in fact, they are usually bitter, jealous, or did not put in time to study. That's life. Someone will always not like you for whatever reason, so what. Life ain't always fair.
IMHO, try not to take oneself to seriously, try to get along with others, it is OK to say you don't know something (just try to find the answer), and try to earn the respect of the guys doing the work by pitching in when necessary, but never compromise your responsibilities in order to be liked.
Bosses are always looking for good people of all ranks. You will be able to move around the Department when people see you are knowledgeable, hard working, with a great attitude, thereby creating your own "whack".
I concur and very well said!
Mmmmmmm. Always wanted to be a detective, but with all the recent restrictions, administrative changes, and anti-police sentiment, I'm having my doubts.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Have you ever seen a detective in a hurry?
2/13/2016 04:49:00 PM
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Actually, yes. I was shot at from the breezeway at 36th & State St. and was running after the shooter. I stopped, took good aim at the gun holding offender who had just shot at me and decided that it wasn't worth the risk of putting a slug into some 9 year old who was coming out of the Federal building on her way to school. A dick who had been riding by when this happened was hot on my heels also chasing the shooter with me. They are still the police.
I'm sure this test will be compromised as well
Detective is the most stresfull job in this department. Tons of typing, deadlines, court, lawsuits. However, it's also one of the most satisfying jobs in this department. You get to find and put away some really bad guys. You get to help, the right way, and sometimes teach some valuable lessons to patrol officers. You get to help real victims that are devastated even if it's just a simple burglary. Often times you are the only advocate for a victim, a child or a senior. Patrol is critical. A good patrol officer is invaluable. Good detective work starts with a good patrol officer. But Stay in patrol if you want to go home without a worry in the world about tomorrow. Being a detective is a sacrifice. Any free time I have I spend with my kids. I don't go drinking, golfing or whatever. Some of the comments above are disheartening. Especially at a time when we need to watch each other because nobody else is. I for one am proud to be a detective. And maybe it's corny to say, I'm also proud to be a Chicago Police officer and in the company of so many good people. It's time to bond together. Divisive comments and attitude truly hurts all if us.
"Anonymous said...
Wow, does anyone want to be the real police anymore. I retire 4 years ago and was a dick for 20 years. Less beefing and more laughing will get you to the end. Being a dick is what you make it to be. Respect and be good to the patrol guys will make their day. So the fuck what they think their case is great when it is not. Take the time to mentor some patrol guys, they are the hero' of the CPD, not dicks. The dick' should make certain the beat guy gets all the credit for a great pinch.
Studying for the test will be a hit or miss. You ghetto street patrol guys handle every crime on the books in two years.
The only beef I had was when SVU youth officers got to be detectives and that was a joke. They were out of their league, they knew shit and thought they did.
Kid', don't give up on the job and start hating, that is worse then just doing what you where hired to do. Salary is decent and if you really always wanted to be the police, and it was a calling , you will make it to the end.
Nless all you great street copper', patrol or dick'.
2/14/2016 12:35:00 AM
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You a funny MF. I find it amusing that you could castigate an entire group of fellow detectives because of their assignment. Blow Me. I was a Youth Investigator and I will tell you what, I knew my shit. I know Youth Investigators who have done more on some of their cases than a whole lot of Big City Heat ever did. Suspend, suspend, suspend. You think SVU Detectives get to say "no contact, send letter, suspend." No, they don't.
I was never out of my league and fit right in to the Detective Division. I know SVU detectives who are top notch investigators. There are quite a few in Area North who are top notch. They are not and have never been out of their league. Stay retired. I am sure you were an absolute joy to work with.
You can barely put together a coherent sentence and I am sure your reports were just as clear as mud.
Anonymous said...
You CAN make it legit. No matter what stats say, race is not the a preeminent factor, trust me I am speaking from personal experience. I have had individuals of all ethnic groups, including my own, tell me that I must have known someone to have scored successfully.
Nonbelievers never commit fully to studying and the sacrifice it takes. But as time goes on, more people are realizing that anyone can score off the list once they understand the testing process. I spent 6 months just researching testing techniques without reading an order. While I did not receive a top score, the studying got me a score that put me in the game.
Took the 1998 detective and scored 500 or so. Made it off the next to last list and it was a great job then.
Took the 2001 Sgts exam. Bombed it with a score of nearly 1000, I was pissed at first. Then introspectively I realized that I got the score that I deserved and vowed to do better.
Took the 2007 Sgts exam and scored around 200 or so and made it. It has been a dynamic experience and I am fortunate to have worked and be working with members of all ranks.
Currently under 100 on the current Lt. exam. If I make it good, if not it's ok I tried. My mom and dad always told me that I am promised nothing in this life.....and this job for that matter
I consider myself lucky to have done been able to take these exams in a span of just over 20 years.
Before being promoted every time, I wonder if I will have what it takes be effective in the rank, to be respected by all those I will work with. I have to add, detective is a great job, and sgt. is better...
In my experience in life and this job, if you give respect 80% of the time you will get it in return. 10% of people will make you prove it to them thorough action, and 10% are just too far gone to be reached and will never comply.
Some will talk shit behind your back. They will say you made it because of____________, when in fact, they are usually bitter, jealous, or did not put in time to study. That's life. Someone will always not like you for whatever reason, so what. Life ain't always fair.
IMHO, try not to take oneself to seriously, try to get along with others, it is OK to say you don't know something (just try to find the answer), and try to earn the respect of the guys doing the work by pitching in when necessary, but never compromise your responsibilities in order to be liked.
Bosses are always looking for good people of all ranks. You will be able to move around the Department when people see you are knowledgeable, hard working, with a great attitude, thereby creating your own "whack".
I concur and very well said!
2/14/2016 08:16:00 AM
A post that actually makes sense and probably reflects the silent majority who don't post on here. Well done, Sergeant!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Wow, does anyone want to be the real police anymore. I retire 4 years ago and was a dick for 20 years. Less beefing and more laughing will get you to the end. Being a dick is what you make it to be. Respect and be good to the patrol guys will make their day. So the fuck what they think their case is great when it is not. Take the time to mentor some patrol guys, they are the hero' of the CPD, not dicks. The dick' should make certain the beat guy gets all the credit for a great pinch.
Studying for the test will be a hit or miss. You ghetto street patrol guys handle every crime on the books in two years.
The only beef I had was when SVU youth officers got to be detectives and that was a joke. They were out of their league, they knew shit and thought they did.
Kid', don't give up on the job and start hating, that is worse then just doing what you where hired to do. Salary is decent and if you really always wanted to be the police, and it was a calling , you will make it to the end.
Nless all you great street copper', patrol or dick'.
2/14/2016 12:35:00 AM
Hating on all SVU dicks shows how clueless you are. Some of the most knowledgeable detectives are in SVU and chose to be there, after having worked complicated investigations equal to HGS and RBT. Maybe back in the day this may have been true, but not anymore. Putting down other detectives and what they choose to investigate show lack of class and no understanding of what they do, which is usually the case for haters.
From a current SVU detective who has worked both HGS and RBT.
Actually, yes. I was shot at from the breezeway at 36th & State St. and was running after the shooter. I stopped, took good aim at the gun holding offender who had just shot at me and decided that it wasn't worth the risk of putting a slug into some 9 year old who was coming out of the Federal building on her way to school. A dick who had been riding by when this happened was hot on my heels also chasing the shooter with me. They are still the police.
I understand for situations like that and i'm glad you're ok but how many times do dicks keep p/o's waiting after the p/o has notified the area? Sometimes 3 hours or more before the dick shows up. I guess dicks don't comprehend that p/o's have appetites too and would like to eat sometime during their shift. They make the p/o sit on DOAs for a long time. Needless to say its not a real pleasant experience for the p/o. You can get your coffee or meal downtown after you make your 10 minute appearance at the DOA.
Anonymous said...
great satisfaction in taking violent criminals off the street. I left a few years ago to make Sergeant and have regretted it every day since.
Hey SuckHole, you can always go back
2/14/2016 06:21:00 AM
Actually no he can't hair gel. Once you take the sergeant promotion you can NEVER go back. Get a little time on the job and a little knowledge before coming on the blog and looking like a fool.
Anonymous said...
Have you ever seen a detective in a hurry?
2/13/2016 04:49:00 PM
Only when they have to sign In at court but never TO or FROM work!
great satisfaction in taking violent criminals off the street. I left a few years ago to make Sergeant and have regretted it every day since.
Hey SuckHole, you can always go back
2/14/2016 06:21:00 AM
No you can't. You can give up your D2A or D2 status and return to D1. You can not give up a civil service rank. Your only out is to quit. Go easy on the mean spirited sarcasm next time. It seems there's a good chance you'll be wrong.
great satisfaction in taking violent criminals off the street. I left a few years ago to make Sergeant and have regretted it every day since.
Hey SuckHole, you can always go back
2/14/2016 06:21:00 AM
Hey DumbShit, no you can't
There will be one more class from the old detectives list. It takes a while for a new test process to finish up. The old detectives list is up and active and will be until the new list is certified by the City Council.
Years back in area 5 the midnight ducks were a joke. You would get in thier with an arrest and after notifying them in person you would wait maybe 2 hours for a dick. They would leave and get lost. Then when they finally got in They would have an attitude and say. You got nothing kid. This being said by a punk Ass dick younger then me. As a rule I would only call them to get a notification name or when I knew I had a winner. I'm told things are still the same.
No you can't. You can give up your D2A or D2 status and return to D1. You can not give up a civil service rank. Your only out is to quit. Go easy on the mean spirited sarcasm next time. It seems there's a good chance you'll be wrong.
2/14/2016 07:17:00 PM
It seems a lot of people really don't know some fine details about their job. When you are promoted to sergeant, or lieutenant, or captain or even exempt, you in fact resign from your previous position. That is why your seniority starts over. This fact is ignored for exempts to include captains and this policy has never been followed. But, it was talked about when the city was talking about layoffs in the mid 80's. The layoff would be by rank and you could not flop backwards.
It seems a lot of people really don't know some fine details about their job. When you are promoted to sergeant, or lieutenant, or captain or even exempt, you in fact resign from your previous position. That is why your seniority starts over. This fact is ignored for exempts to include captains and this policy has never been followed. But, it was talked about when the city was talking about layoffs in the mid 80's. The layoff would be by rank and you could not flop backwards.
This only applies to career service but not appointed positions. Detective and exempt assignments are appointments...you can be dumped from them or resign, and you must be restored to your previous career service position. You cannot resign from sgt., or lt, without resigning from the job
I understand for situations like that and i'm glad you're ok but how many times do dicks keep p/o's waiting after the p/o has notified the area? Sometimes 3 hours or more before the dick shows up. I guess dicks don't comprehend that p/o's have appetites too and would like to eat sometime during their shift. They make the p/o sit on DOAs for a long time. Needless to say its not a real pleasant experience for the p/o. You can get your coffee or meal downtown after you make your 10 minute appearance at the DOA.
2/14/2016 04:16:00 PM
You clearly have no idea how anything works and no clue what the fuck you're talking about. If you think a fucking death investigation takes 10 minutes don't waste your time taking the new exam because you'll be ranked 8000 on the list. Also, did it ever occur to your ignorant ass that when you notify the area that there may not be any detectives available at that particular moment to send out and that your job isn't the only one that requires detectives? No? I guess everything takes a back seat to your shit because you're another millenial that mommy told was the center of the universe. Everybody drop what you're doing because the millenial with 2 years on the job wants his lunch break.
OMG. Some of these comments on this are asinine. The ignorance and false perceptions and misinformation is mind boggling. Some of you are as bad as the media liberals and BLM crowd. Holy shit!
Captains voluntarily give up their rank and return to Lt ALL THE TIME....and then take advantage of 55 free health care---such a crock of shit
OMG. Some of these comments on this are asinine. The ignorance and false perceptions and misinformation is mind boggling. Some of you are as bad as the media liberals and BLM crowd. Holy shit!
2/15/2016 08:44:00 PM
How about citing what you're referring to exactly so that we know what the fuck it is you're talking about.
This only applies to career service but not appointed positions. Detective and exempt assignments are appointments...you can be dumped from them or resign, and you must be restored to your previous career service position. You cannot resign from sgt., or lt, without resigning from the job
2/15/2016 01:31:00 PM
Detective is not the same as exempt. The rank of detective is a tested for and contractually protected position and the department must have just cause to remove an officer from that rank. And yes, it is a rank and it is a promotion. It's just not a supervisory position. Exempt is an appointed rank and an individual can be removed from that rank at any time without just cause and without reason. See the difference?
"No? I guess everything takes a back seat to your shit because you're another millenial that mommy told was the center of the universe. Everybody drop what you're doing because the millenial with 2 years on the job wants his lunch break.
2/15/2016 04:54:00 PM"
When they call Mommy or Daddy the exempt you'll be flying there lights and sirens. Don't think they won't, happens more times than I care to remember.Don't think your milquetoast Sgt or Lt is going to be your corner either
"IMHO, try not to take oneself to seriously, try to get along with others, it is OK to say you don't know something (just try to find the answer), and try to earn the respect of the guys doing the work by pitching in when necessary, but never compromise your responsibilities in order to be liked.
Bosses are always looking for good people of all ranks. You will be able to move around the Department when people see you are knowledgeable, hard working, with a great attitude, thereby creating your own "whack"."
Great Post until you came up with that create your own "Whack" Fairy Tale . You & I both know that's a Big Crock of Shit. Name your unit, watch, dist, I'll tell you that personally, but don't bullshit people that there's still an air of legitimacy on this job, it disingenuous and flat out wrong.
This only applies to career service but not appointed positions. Detective and exempt assignments are appointments...you can be dumped from them or resign, and you must be restored to your previous career service position. You cannot resign from sgt., or lt, without resigning from the job
2/15/2016 01:31:00 PM
Detective is not the same as exempt. The rank of detective is a tested for and contractually protected position and the department must have just cause to remove an officer from that rank. And yes, it is a rank and it is a promotion. It's just not a supervisory position. Exempt is an appointed rank and an individual can be removed from that rank at any time without just cause and without reason. See the difference?
2/16/2016 06:37:00 AM
Detective is not a rank you idiot, its a title code(po assigned as a detective).
It's definitely a promotion, and if you dont take the test you're an idiot, but it is most definitely not a rank.
Detective is not a rank you idiot, its a title code(po assigned as a detective).
It's definitely a promotion, and if you dont take the test you're an idiot, but it is most definitely not a rank.
2/16/2016 04:36:00 PM
Well you better go look up the definition of the word rank. The only idiot around here is you.
Detective is not a rank you idiot, its a title code(po assigned as a detective).
It's definitely a promotion, and if you dont take the test you're an idiot, but it is most definitely not a rank.
Section 8.6 — Detectives, Evidence Technicians, Police Laboratory Technicians, Forensic
Investigators and Field Training Officers
The Employer agrees not to remove Officers in the position of Detective except for just cause.
During this Agreement, the Employer agrees that the ranks of Detective, Evidence Technician,
Police Laboratory Technician, Forensic Investigator and Field Training Officer will not be
eliminated from the budget.
That excerpt is taken right from your own contract morons. Why don't you read it real good and concentrate on the last sentence. We certainly have a lot of uneducated idiots in this department.
Detective isn't a CPD rank fool.
Straight from the GO 01-02
3A Order of Rank
A Superintendent
B First Deputy Superintendent
C Chief
D Deputy Chief
E Commander, Director, Coordinator
F Captain
G Lieutenant
H Sergeant
I Police Officer
Note: A police officer assigned to D2 or D2A PAYGRADE POSITION is equivalent to the rank of police officer
"Equivalent to the RANK of police officer" How fucking dense are you dude? Just admit that you were wrong and move on. The word rank denotes a position in an organization. Police officer is a rank, detective is a rank, fto is a rank. If you don't understand the English language then we can't help you.
PAYGRADE POSITION dumbfuck, in all your examples you left out the first four words "police officer assigned as."
The RANKS are spelled out stupid. You want to live in a fantasy world, go ahead, it's not a rank in the Chicago Police Department. It is a PAYGRADE dummy. Using your fucked up logic tact is rank, gang enforcement is a rank, narcotics is rank, SWAT is a rank, working in xxx district is a rank, DSS is a rank, latent print examiner is rank, legal officer is rank, timekeeper is a rank, etc.
While the hamster wheel spins in your peanut brain look up what the word EQUIVALENT means.
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