End of the Road?
- The Chicago Police Department took action Wednesday to fire a police lieutenant and suspend two other officers for their handling of the 2004 homicide investigation of David Koschman, who died after a struggle with the nephew of former Mayor Richard M. Daley, according to the department.
In a statement released Wednesday, interim Police Superintendent John Escalante said he is seeking the termination of Lt. Denis Walsh and a one-year, unpaid suspension for Sgt. Sam Cirone who “did not properly follow department policies” when they were investigating the death of David Koschman.
The department has filed charges with the Chicago Police Board after which the board will schedule a status date for the officers.
Also Wednesday, Escalante announced a one-year suspension without pay for a third officer, Det. Nicholas Spanos. That action does not require the police board's approval. Spanos has 10 work days to decide whether to accept the punishment, file a grievance or appeal with the police board.
The big big bosses (most of them) left already after being presented with an ultimatum - retire or face Departmental charges, thereby endangering your pension. All three that stayed face the noose alone.You play the political game, you take the political risks, you might end up a sacrifice on the political altar.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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The majority of the people that know DW are probably laughing at the fact that his inflated ego has finally caught up with him. The others are sadly planning a benefit.
One "N" is goofy enough to stay on the job and fight his termination if only for scholarship reasons.....what a true knucklehead.
If anyone asks me to by a benefit ticket for any of these guys I will Crack you one.
You play the political game, you take the political risks, you might end up a sacrifice on the political altar.
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Absolutely right. Now send this to the Teachers' Union and tell them to accept the contract OR face going through bankruptcy proceedings where EVERYTHING will be put onto the table to slice and dice.
In a Cloutocracy, you either take the scraps thrown off the table - or you don't eat at all.
Merit!
Maybe the Lt.D.W. Can t leave because his off spring is receiving the University of Chicago free ride scholarship courtesy it the department. You must be active member??? And it's all legit people.
Worked for Walsh in 018,Good Boss..
Everyone involved is lucky they arent being charged criminally
Lt. Denis here's some advice find a job that you're good at outside of hiding "missing" files and sending damning emails. How about selling some of those oranges you've been gorging on?You have gotten away with too much while on the city payroll. Perhaps Short shanks needs a comedic drinking buddy to entertain him in his golden years.
I think that they will all land on their feet .
I have seen this movie before .
These guys are all political hacks! I never seen them go to such length with a line up! Daily's minions!
They are lucky they aren't in jail!!!!
But will th retired remember "as soon as I leave the Feds will pull us back in!" That poor mother of David got peanuts! The offender vaneko got what 6 months in county surely catered to during his vacation there! The city council throws millions to the thugs on things not proven but a tax paying white mother (did I just say that) a victim of a complete cover up gets thrown away because of extreme politics? May God bless Mrs. Koschman, and the people that let this criminal do what he did let's hope they are brought back in!
Fuck them for covering up the murder, covering Richard "R.J." Vanecko's actions and hiding the file. You play, you pay! It's just too bad Vanecko got off so lightly.
"Vanecko was sentenced to 60 days in jail followed by 60 days of home confinement and then 2 1/2 years of probation." It's the Chicago Way.
The lt should just retire. He is lucky he isn't in jail.
Cerone and Spanos, the two least culpable whose sin was they did not know haw to say NO to bigger bosses, will come out okay, after one year. You would be naive if you thought the police board could not be influenced by the Irish mafia to the extent that Walsh would see his penalty reduced. That being said, someone such as the FBI needs to take a road trip to the penitentiary and interview Escalante's and Cline's paid informant who received $800,000.00 over four years while committing two murders while a paid informant and ask if any police officers were given any of the money as a tribute.
The big big bosses (most of them) left already after being presented with an ultimatum - retire or face Departmental charges, thereby endangering your pension.
Too bad you cannot recall them to duty and then charge them like the military could.
Koschman deserves justice.
The ones that already left will be getting a visit by the feds. I hope pulling that bullshit in order to help out an asshole and his uncle were worth it.
A true end of the road involves the other party taking power and cleaning it ALL OUT!
Except the other party is jusr as corrupt and lazy to do anything.
Karma's a bitch
And jagoff Shortshank's nephew is as free as a bird.
Good! So long, Denis. Will the 'Michigan Groper' pull an expedited retirement?
And a year suspension for Cirone and Spanos?
Naw, fuck that. Move to terminate all three of these bastards based on what was learned. Let them sweat losing that pension. All three are products of a corrupt system that they've gamed for decades based on clout. They went to the well one too many times and now it's time to pay the piper.
Excellent
For years Walsh has gotten away with shit that the rest of us would have been fired (and maybe jailed) for. Sam was just trying to stay in the "club." And Nick is getting shafted for doing what he was told. If he had refused to investigate and write the report how the brass (and Daley because we all know he was behind this shit for jump!), he would have been nailed for disobeying an order. Damned if you do, damned if you don't!
So Walsh let's sY the police board upholds Walsh being terminated. He's not charged criminally. Does he keep his pension?
Nick Spanos is a stand up guy and great detective. If he has to take this bullshit suspension I'll be kicking an entire paycheck to him at the benefit. I sorry nick you don't deserve this bullshit.
And yet the puppet masters (again) escape any punishment.
The worst thing about it is that none of them have any real "gotcha" information on the Machine to spill now that have been sacrificed by that Machine. They are underlings, not part of the inside Cabal. They kind of know how things work, maybe have a few private phone numbers in their phone, but nothing more. They most certainly did not have any "real knowledge" that may have helped them out. If they did they wouldn't have been bounced.
They were useful fodder for the machine's cannon. A lesson to be learned by the rest of you. Keep your integrity. It is far more valuable to have than any chit you think the Machine will pay out on.
They should have taken the deal.
Shame on you Dean, Joe and Gary leaders you are not, where are you now when the shit hits the fan oh that's right all retired and collecting a check. As said so many times when the shit hits the fan the only one standing with you will be you and your partner. Good luck to Denis, Sam and Nick you will need it. I hope it was all worth it.
I quit.
Anyone else would have been fired if they did what Denis did in Michigan.
He rolled the dice by not retiring, and now he pays the price.
These are three of the finest and most dedicated men on this Police Department. They are being scapegoated by the political establishment of this city.
The case involved a smaller drunk messing with a larger one. Just a dummy that got knocked down, nothing more. Blame it on the booze..
This has been going on for a good while. Wasn't there a follow up investigation? What happened with that cover up and those people involved? Did the department have their backs and give them the heads up to pull the pin, just in time?
Funny how time changes things... Like holding up promotions until certain people are eligible or not dropping the axe until certain people are out of the way, etc... Amazing!
They'll beat this.
Didn't Escalante and Denis both come on the job in June '86? Were they in the same homeroom in the academy?
As a lt. you can play fast and loose with the truth. It's the risk you take, and this time it appears it didn't pay off.
You have to ask yourself why he did it, because he didn't get any promotions out of it!
Politicians called the shots on that. Then politicians years later want to fire police? Case presented to states attorney, charges not approved due to politics... Whose fault is that?
I'm sure DALEY will help anyone who helped him????????
Sounds like the domino effect... Why is the Sgt & Dect taking a year suspension only? They should be fired for convering up for a scum bag. Reminds me of Area North Detectives who covered up for a son of a Detective who punched & broke a cops noise at a disturbance at a wrigleyville bar call. Awe history repeats itself.. I'm not surprised.
These guys could write a book!
Walsh will just get another city sponsored job along with his pension. 11th Ward
What repercussions did Shortshanks ever face??
That bastard was the main driving force behind the Koschman coverup.
Nick is a good guy. WTF! I'm sure they all are and with the gold stars breathing down ur backs to take care of that lil fat bastard Dailey's kin folk. They were left with this mess and now the music has stopped and these 3 are left without a chair. I'll be buying some benefit tickets this year for you all. Staying fetal. Mr.6 FU%k YOU
Unless I missed it, did any news media question the irony of Dean, Joe and Jim retiring suddenly before the release of the city's disciplinary recommendation? Obviously they were given the heads up that they were going to be fired or suspended, so they hurriedly pulled the pin. So who leaked that information from the IGs office to who in CPD? The cover up always begins in city hall. And it still is.
I never like to see police officers have their job endangered. But these guys ? I have no real sympathy. Too bad they could not go after those that actually orchestrated this mess. A stain on the department and defended far too long by many detectives.
Administrative charges at the Police Board have nothing whatsoever to do with anyone's pension.
Does anybody with a triple digit IQ remotely think Daley didn't run the show on this?
Career suicide for any copper that didn't whitewash this.
don't know the other two, but DW is an arrogant, smug asshole and has been since day one in the academy.
I still feel Vanecko was the fall guy, the wrong cousin went to jail
About time but a tad bit late. Good riddance Walsh; a true POS who has historically tarnished the department. Maybe he can apply for a gas station cashier job in MI.
The Sgt and Detective stayed not to prove some kind of point, they didn't have the time or age to retire. Bad Denis on the other hand is just an egomaniacal jackass who has beaten the system before and assumed he would do it again. Good riddence to him
let's not forget, koschmann's beer muscles started this whole mess.
no sympathy here for those involved....one wonders, though, about the character and integrity, or lack of, of the people involved in the Koschman case...what made those individuals sacrifice honesty and character for....assignments, promotions, blind loyalty to the political ruling class? to tarnish the star that many have worn, or continue to wear....
But the three states attorneys were made judges??
I can't help but wonder why NO ONE ever gave up the Daley crime family on this one,somebody had to get a call from Shortshankes... and that was passed down from on high with the word that "this comes straight from the 5th floor" Coppers thrown under the bus and the 5th floor walks again.
Now I guess we all know how it was done in Area 4 and Area 5 in the past. Lt Walsh and Sgt Cirone your meritorious ineptness just tainted scores of Homicide cases and no doubt will cost taxpayers millions to settle. You two disgraced fools couldn't find a missing in SVU!
We were told to stop TSS blue cards and do ISRs and reassured that they have our backs. Hahahahaha... going to be a great summer
"You play the political game, you take the political risks,"
Breaking news for clout babies: Your China-man has left the building along with the rest of those that see the hand writing on the wall.
Fuk the CLOUTED!
Fuck em! Hope they all "fry."
Wouldn't they lose their pensions only if they were charged (and convicted) criminally as opposed for being fired for violation of Department rules / regulations?
When O.W. Wilson came in to reform the CPD Old man Daley gave him hands off. The first things that he did was change the Chiefs title from commissioner to superintendent then move the superintendents office out of city hall in to police headquarters at 11th and State. All of the 41 or so stations were aligned with the ward offices so the politicians had control over who held what rank and position (station detective, desk sergeant, watch commander etc.) so he changed the boundaries into 21.districts covering several political wards. Changed the color of squad cars from black and white with red gum ball to blue and whit blue gum ball. Then he merged the Park District Police with the city police. The park district police patrolled the parks and boulevards that a lot of the previous mayos and then current politicians lived on. Then he gave honest tests for people to keep their rank and promoted the truly knowledgeable. No merit BS, No oral board BS, no more "Fins and blowjobs" gentleman
If they want a new police department then you need to change the political structure of the police department and the promotional process and raise the standards for entry not lower then. Do the Feds lower their standards for appointment? They just look a little harder from all over the country.
I worked with all three...Nick, great friend and detective; he got caught between two narcissists and chose to allow Sgt Cirone to edit his report and then file it with included nonsense about "mutual combatants." Sgt and Lt were always shady and just holding a "cool" spot until the next merit opportunity came along.
This whole case, from exempt on down was just another example why this department has no future. SCC said it in a previous post about how top heavy we are with double, triple merit "placeholders" that have had no experience except with their "handlers."
Will walshs clout step up or will they do the "Glen Evans shuffle" as they throw him to the media hoards! What he has done is unconscionable what if that was your kid murdered by a big bully coward like vanecko? I would want Walsh the gold star club even retired dragged back in and fully prosecuted! John you say you want ideas Lori lightfoot you want to make change your going after hard working street coppers invite the Feds to completely reopen this case so sad poor mom was put through the political machine diced and said try again! Like Daley rahm the wizard of oz was exposed a little scared man hiding behind the curtain will the gold star class the political curtain finally be opened?
Ruining a career for anyone is a NOT STARTER....don't know anything / anyone from this case other than what I've read in the newspaper. That being said....if you fuck up and expect me to cover you or some how save your ass.....well let's just say....."good luck"....
Just don't ask me to kick in any $$ for a benefit party for any of them. They deserve what they have coming to them.
it seems to me that taking a highly sensitive investigation file home and forgetting about it is a deal breaker.
Walsh is untouchable. He will skate.nobody touches the Walsh family. His pension is safe.
What about Andrews who got promoted to Chief of Det? Instead of him get that position how about FIRED??
Is Richie Daley going to be implicated in this? He was the person pulling the strings for this. How did his nephew get a trial outside of Cook County? How did he get such a light sentence ? Why wasn't he forthcoming about what happened on the night it happened?
Vanecko steals money from the Police Pension....Patrick Daley gets 75 million dollar City Contract for sewer scam as silent partner....Etc..Etc.. Etc
Interesting: Big Question, now that have charges and elect to retire, they will a pension no doubt and they should. But will they give them a retired star and id card. I know many officers who retired with an open cr and were not give reitired id cards or stars. THey were classified as retired while under investigation. If that happens they are not eligible for an IROC. I disagree with this classification, any officer who is collecting their pension should be eligible for an IROC.
"Shame on you Dean, Joe and Gary leaders you are not, where are you now when the shit hits the fan oh that's right all retired and collecting a check. As said so many times when the shit hits the fan the only one standing with you will be you and your partner. Good luck to Denis, Sam and Nick you will need it. I hope it was all worth it.
2/04/2016 05:39:00 AM"
Karma in a mf'r. Arrogant Pricks that got their due. F Them.
Anonymous said...
So Walsh let's sY the police board upholds Walsh being terminated. He's not charged criminally. Does he keep his pension?
2/04/2016 05:25:00 AM
If he is vested, yes he keeps his pension. Burge was fired and kept his pension because he was not convicted of a felony while working. You can always retire while the case is pending if you so choose and also keep the pension.
"Cerone and Spanos, the two least culpable whose sin was they did not know haw to say NO to bigger bosses, will come out okay, after one year."
It's called a spine which either of them have,coupled with the misguided belief the higher ups will take care of them.Sam what have you done for me lately,is about as one way as they come.
Go have a good cry on Katos Shoulder.
"Nick Spanos is a stand up guy and great detective. If he has to take this bullshit suspension I'll be kicking an entire paycheck to him at the benefit. I sorry nick you don't deserve this bullshit.
2/04/2016 05:28:00 AM"
Why stop there, why don't you mortgage your house while you're at it.
Dummy is as dummy does, Nikkos is living proof.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Unless I missed it, did any news media question the irony of Dean, Joe and Jim retiring suddenly before the release of the city's disciplinary recommendation? Obviously they were given the heads up that they were going to be fired or suspended, so they hurriedly pulled the pin. So who leaked that information from the IGs office to who in CPD? The cover up always begins in city hall. And it still is.
2/04/2016 07:24:00 AM
Are you forgetting about Gary? (No, not Garrrry.)
this will give shortshanks a new case of feditis
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Vanecko steals money from the Police Pension....Patrick Daley gets 75 million dollar City Contract for sewer scam as silent partner....Etc..Etc.. Etc
2/04/2016 11:36:00 AM
The bigger question is who was involved from the pension board giving "our money" away? inquiring minds would like to know, or will they finally get that 6 A.M. knock on the door from the guys with the straight ties,helicopter overhead as they are "served!" What rats gave away our money? follow the money!
Anonymous said...
The case involved a smaller drunk messing with a larger one. Just a dummy that got knocked down, nothing more. Blame it on the booze..
2/04/2016 06:24:00 AM
Except the coward ran away connected to daley had it all covered up and the Koschman kid was dead! asshat!
Let us gently apply the brakes here...
How many people that are calling "off with his head" really know more about this case then just from skim reading a series of Sun Times articles?
I don't know what exactly transpired, I wasn't there. Here's what I do know.
1. I do know I don't trust the media to tell the whole story, especially the Sun Times (actually the Tribune is just as bad now)
2. I do know as a detective that people will refuse to talk to you and also lie, just as they did when I was a P.O. And even when you want to charge them with obstruction we all know nothing is going to happen
3. I do know as a detective that a suspect can change his appearance before being arrested and put in a line up. You have no control over that. A guy with long hair shaves his head etc. I know you can only do the best you can do with fillers and most importantly you cannot influence the witness to pick out who you believe is the suspect. What kind of a case do you have with witnesses who were out at 4am and no identification in a line up? This is in reference to the 2004 line up and all line ups.
4. I know that there is always enormous political and public pressure in high profile cases and that the police are always preselected as the fall guys for any and all issues.
5. This case has been reviewed for possible criminal charges and no one thinks there is a case, therefore how strong can all these accusations be?
Only these guys know what they did or didn't do. Only they should decide whether to accept the recommendation or not. The problem is that it doesn't finish there. Denis can walk away, the only thing that stings is no retirement star and no scholarship if there is one. He still gets his pension. It might be in his best interest to walk away, he has to face the police board which will be under scrutiny to uphold the firing. However if he has dirt on someone, the board will give him 18 months and down the road somewhere there will be a quiet job somewhere for him.
Cirone is facing a year. It is strange that as a supervisor he is not being recommended for a higher penalty than his subordinate Spanos. Again it may not end at that. If they choose the Board they are subject to harsher penalties or firing. Go to an arbitrator who is impartial to all the political crap and will make a sound decision.
Obviously most people think that this type of thing couldn't happen to them. Think again, the media has been taking turns looking at disciplinary cases after receiving all this information from FOIA. The media is our human resources department right now and God help you if they pick up one of your beefs and run with it, because the Dept will only help you find a chair at 376 while deciding if they can sacrifice you to the media and public.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Vanecko steals money from the Police Pension....Patrick Daley gets 75 million dollar City Contract for sewer scam as silent partner....Etc..Etc.. Etc
2/04/2016 11:36:00 AM
Not stolen approved and given but who gave it away? the paper trail has to be there! Mike Lappe your doing a great job rooting out the disability fakers now how about launching an investigation into this felonious theft? this would be "change we could believe in!"
What about Steve Peterson aka "The Skull" and D/C Chasen weren't they pulling the strings for these puppets. I heard the skull had to be emailed every report for his approval. But he's a merit hack too maybe he doesn't know how to email. How bout Jody or Masters where r they in this huge conspiracy? If not responsible those Area 4 stand up mofo's should of protected their workers, instead throwing them under the bus.
Why is anybody on the job surprised by the clout Walsh and Cirone have, even Spanos? At one time I knew and at some time while on the job worked under each one of their fathers who were all clouted bosses. This job has never been and will never be legit. Be honest with yourselves all of us in our 30 years on the job watched many good coppers get suspended maybe even take 30 pending for nothing serious while those who had clout were always untouchable no matter what they did.
As far as Walsh goes he was always a bad drinker and has always chased the babes. Neither he or his brother were ever good coppers but always had good promotions and good spots. The detective division has always been loaded with yes men like these guys from the lowest detective to the highest boss. These guys will cover up anything sell their souls to the devil and have no sense of the truth or justice and are basically immoral individuals who will cover up even the worst crimes for the "chosen."
What's sad and disturbing as a 30 year cop, is many of my fellow police officers will talk of what good guys, coppers or bosses scum like this are. No thanks I know the truth about these people and am sickened by the fact that because of scum like this the good men and women of the CPD are judged and scrutinized by the public and put in the same category.
In the true spirit of justice, you hope that "every dog has his day." But in this profession, politics and ass kissing has always been the rule in order to get ahead. Just being a knowledgeable, stand-up cop who wants to do the job right and take care of his people is often passed over. If you are not part of "the club" or are a protected class person, you are not competing on an equal platform. The cycle of clout, which includes the merit fast track, is now dominating the headlines in exposing the incompetent who were placed in their power positions. The cycle of cop life continues: Once you prioritize your track of kissing ass as opposed to focusing on your job, you're stuck on this never-ending treadmill. And if it works out for you, once in a power position, you expect to get your ass kissed by like-minded underlings who have the same mindset. As I said, the cycle of cop life continues ...
Civilian here.
What's the deal with Walsh's son getting a free ride to the University of Chicago? Can someone explain this?
What was the story and conclusion of the sexual abuse allegation against DW? I cant find anything about what happened.
dennis was a pompous dickhead must be nice to have clout
Denis Walsh has been untouchable in the past and will continue to be unscathed in the future.
Sam Cerone was an experienced detective and did a good job just a little to spoiled by Dean the Dream, both had it their way for a long time. The only one who will feel any pain is the detective on the bottom of the food chain, a good kid who did a good job but listened to the wrong advisers in this case.
let's not forget, koschmann's beer muscles started this whole mess.
2/04/2016 08:37:00 AM
And, fuck you asshole.
hey ssc rumorville has it as patrick daley being the offender
Walsh and his minions destroyed Area North. A huge weight was lifted when he left. People are much happier now. To the few who are left best you change your arrogant, condescending ways.
Worked with Nick in 013 and he was a great policeman ~ hope he'll be okay....
Good thing all these guys passed me on lists because they were merit!! Only our best and brightest for merit
In my dream world, Constantine "Dean" Andrews and Richard M. Daley share a cell in the penitentiary. I just wish it were true.
Straight up case of mutual combatants. Dan Webb, former U.S. Attorney knows how the CCSAO works. That case never gets made if it wasn't Vanecko.
Nick Spanos is a top of the line human being. As decent and genuine a man as I have had the pleasure of knowing.
A real man woulda laughed at Koschman and walked away. Tough guy Vanecko had a hundred pounds on him. After mortally wounding the much younger/smaller kid he ran like a sissy. Real tough Chicago guy not. Kinda like a varsity football player pummeling a 125 pound freshman water boy. Whoever covered uo for this poor excuse of a City tough guy deserves what they get.
The re-investigation of this case was originally offered to two other Area 5 homicide detectives (Initials M.L. and R.C.), two very good detectives with integrity. Of course they were experienced and smart enough to see the writing on the wall and one of them politely told Dean Andrews "Go Fuck Yourself. This is nothing but a can of worms and was completely fucked up from the initial investigation." Those who worked at Area 5 can probably guess who talked to Andrews like that, but I'll bet he's laughing his ass off now seeing how Dean the Queen ran and tucked tail, leaving everyone else hanging. I know he likes and respects Cirone and Spanos very much, so I'm sure he isn't too happy about what is happening to them. Way to go Mike, you were right and the asshole bosses were wrong, AS ALWAYS.
Nick was not forced to be one of the detectives assigned to reinvestigate this case. In fact two other detectives were asked to take this case before Nick and Jim, but those two were smart enough to see the writing on the wall and said absolutely not.
Sgt Sam got involved because he likes to be a big shot and his umbilical cord is attached to Dean Andrews.
Fuck any PO who ran cover for king Richard II, and his corrupt regime.
No benefit money from me. I dont toss $$ at corrupt , clouted assholes anymore. One after another, for 30 years, Ive watched them marching by. Some instigators, some silent partners , ALL simply looking out for themselves. Many a job I was qualified for only to be passed up for by some asshole who didnt know if their ass was punched or drilled. What did it matter,? they were another playing card to be traded for a return favor.
Thats one thing but to cover up for an asshole Bully who sucker punched a kid 1/2 his size and robbed a woman of her only child? Only an asshole would do it ; Only an asshole would cover for him. And who knows if that Vancheco moron was the only Princeling involved?
Meanwhile Daley's name isnt even in the conversation. Amazing isnt it? They did all that without any input from him on his own nephew.
Nick is a good guy, will buy a ticket to his benefit.
Always thought it was funny that Cirone, Walsh and Joe Salami taught "Ethical Homicide Investigstion." Nothing but dishonorable merit hacks that don't deserve to wear a uniform. South is better with no Salami.
Arrogance and nepotism only get you so far D. You should have considered them getting you out of that sexual assault case a big enough gift....and they promoted you, again to boot. One would think all that clout made you think you actually earned the gravy train you've been riding. You'll get no sympathy here.
What about Andrews who got promoted to Chief of Det? Instead of him get that position how about FIRED??
2/04/2016 11:18:00 AM
How about you learning to speak English.
It bothers me that coppers on here wish the worst on policemen. Then they complain about BLM and everything else. I can picture all of the miserable fucks...you know the ones...the loud mouths at roll call with last winter's salt stain still at the hem of their pants.
Walsh is untouchable. He will skate.nobody touches the Walsh family. His pension is safe
I agree. If he was gonna lose his pension he would've retired months ago. He knows he'll be ok.
Spanos is a good guy and got caught up in the bs. But, he and Gilger were selected for a reason. It was not by accident. They, and Rick, his current partner are all too willing to do the " right thing" and "take care" wink wink for the boss. Good riddance to Walsh but I hope spanos gets thru this and becomes a better detective and not just somebody's lackey.
It bothers me that coppers on here wish the worst on policemen. Then they complain about BLM and everything else. I can picture all of the miserable fucks...you know the ones...the loud mouths at roll call with last winter's salt stain still at the hem of their pants.
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It bothers me that coppers on here try to make excuses for police officers that are obviously in the wrong. They willingly derailed an investigation which resulted in the death of another human. Maybe they're good guys to grab a drink with, but their moral compasses are seriously broken. DW had a "missing" murder case file at his house. Think about that for a second...
Nick, keep your head up and do NOT have a benefit with the cocksuckers who put you in this situation.
Anonymous said...
Straight up case of mutual combatants. Dan Webb, former U.S. Attorney knows how the CCSAO works. That case never gets made if it wasn't Vanecko.
Nick Spanos is a top of the line human being. As decent and genuine a man as I have had the pleasure of knowing.
2/04/2016 04:51:00 PM
Just keep repeating this and someday people might believe it. Any other jurisdiction and the these officers probably would have been charged.
Anonymous said...
Politicians called the shots on that. Then politicians years later want to fire police? Case presented to states attorney, charges not approved due to politics... Whose fault is that?
2/04/2016 06:54:00 AM
When you do a lousy, slipshod investigation and present it to a connected states attorney, then the police hide the files and then despite all of the public outcry and adverse comments from a judge and then despite the refusal of the prosecutor to appoint a special prosecutor, you get what you got. Corruption, deceit and lies by the officials involved. Then you get the comments about " mutual combat" and drunken fights and what a great guy all of these people are. No matter how you cut this it was and is a stain on the department.
Walsh is heavier than ton of Chicago city bricks, no sweat and tears, by blood,he will be a commander next years signed member of fort forgoten 87 hero.
And a year suspension for Cirone and Spanos?
Naw, fuck that. Move to terminate all three of these bastards based on what was learned. Let them sweat losing that pension. All three are products of a corrupt system that they've gamed for decades based on clout. They went to the well one too many times and now it's time to pay the piper.
Exactly. And to the poster who said, "Mr. Six, f**k you," go screw yourself. Escalante is only doing what McCarthy should have done all along when the Koschman report was released, excise those cancers from the CPD. Many of us who are retired now were outraged that Andrews was promoted to Chief of Dets., and that Salemne, Walsh and others were allowed to remain in place. It was a slap in the face to decent cops everywhere. Good riddance!
Is that the same family of Walsh Construction, big time Daley Dough-er?
What about the original Area 3 det who handled this? He said he wanted to call it in to felony review as a manslaughter or whatever. Well why the fuck didn't he? It's his fucking case and he's some hot shot homicide dick is he not. I don't know the guy but why didn't he call it in? Why? This shit would have amounted to nothing if he had just called it in, right? WTF? Area 3 is a different fucking world for sure. I have worked in 3 different areas and Area 3 is - by far - the most bizarre.
And for all the homicide dicks who would laugh at DW's "hilarious" jokes when he came out onto the floor and graced us with his presence - go fuck yourselves ... now you have to laugh at your partner I guess. Cirone is a little full of himself but he is good people and wish him the best. Spanos - very likeable guy. Walsh - not a fan.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Politicians called the shots on that. Then politicians years later want to fire police? Case presented to states attorney, charges not approved due to politics... Whose fault is that?
2/04/2016 06:54:00 AM
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pretty sure the case was NOT presented
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Did the 017 Tac chick ever take time for her Brown Line derailment traffic crash? I bet not. He daddy was a clouted E.T sgt. it seems to be all covered up. Disciplinary issues are always different strokes for the clouted folks
In regards to the free U of C tuition: for many years the U of C has given a full 4 year scholarship to the child of a police or fireman. It's either one or two scholarships granted each year, not sure. Don't remember other details but I believe they used to put a notice in the Daily Bulletin. If you research who received the scholarships in years past you will see the names of many CPD command staff. Guess they just have smart kids.
In regards to the free U of C tuition: for many years the U of C has given a full 4 year scholarship to the child of a police or fireman. It's either one or two scholarships granted each year, not sure. Don't remember other details but I believe they used to put a notice in the Daily Bulletin. If you research who received the scholarships in years past you will see the names of many CPD command staff. Guess they just have smart kids.
For all you morons out there. Area 5 was assigned to re investigate the case after the press got a hold of it. Area 3 ran the initial investigation including a line up where No One was ID'd. No statements were given by the suspect. All parties had been drinking. The case was reviewed by ASA who rejected the charges. Case should have been closed then, but they left it suspended. Reopened later again suspect refused to speak, witnesses refused to speak, nothing changed. Only difference over zealous bosses trying to boost themselves, interjected and demanded particular wording be included in the report. This case was a loser on its own. Where phone calls made? probably but not needed. It was a "He said she said" case with no other evidence. If you don't know what it takes to get a case charged in Cook County you need to seel employment elsewhere.
Gilger is one of the most honest people I've known in 23 years on this job. He knew exactly what this case was. Spanos also a good/hard working detective. Were told by Daley's sister (Vanecko's mom) to go away "Who do I need to call to make this go away". Vanecko's friend, (McCarthy?) refused to let his wife speak. Who should be investigated?
Cirone, smart guy, but got caught up in the political BS to stay in the click.
Andrews, total egomaniac who thought he was better than every detective in the city because he had been in the "D" Unit most of his career, tho never as a Detective and never investigated anything.
Walsh, another egomaniac who thinks he's God's gift to police work. Area 3 is a much more pleasant place without him
I think everyone posting negative shit about these accused bosses/detectives don't have the balls to say any of this to their faces. If you think real hard I bet everyone one posting here have done something in past that if they got caught, would either be fired, suspended or jailed If you say no way you're just lying or been hiding under some bosses desk and never did ounce of work. My personnel opinion of these guys doesn't matter point is its just sickening to see coppers bashing each other to this level.
"What's the deal with Walsh's son getting a free ride to the University of Chicago? Can someone explain this?"
the last time I checked, the children of police officers (maybe fire too?)can apply, and if they pass the entrance exam, will get a scholarship.
Always thought it was funny that Cirone, Walsh and Joe Salami taught "Ethical Homicide Investigstion." Nothing but dishonorable merit hacks that don't deserve to wear a uniform. South is better with no Salami.
you're a fucking tard. probably never worked a hard day in your life. it's always somebody else's fault you're a bust out loser.
Spanos is a good guy and got caught up in the bs. But, he and Gilger were selected for a reason. It was not by accident. They, and Rick, his current partner are all too willing to do the " right thing" and "take care" wink wink for the boss. Good riddance to Walsh but I hope spanos gets thru this and becomes a better detective and not just somebody's lackey.
2/05/2016 12:27:00 AM
Read what you just wrote again, and you are a supporter.
They will have a benefit and everyone that shows up is saying that what they did is OK by them. Well it isn't. Coppers like this are one of the reasons why people hate us. They make everything harder for us purely for their own benefit. I won't miss all the dimwits in the good old boys club.
9:16am
How do you call in a manslaughter charge with a negative line up?
Do you call in a retail theft without an offender?
Most of the guys on here are talking out of their ass. Most are saying hang them without using one single fact or basis to back up their talk. They might have committed violations and they might not have. They may have sloppily handled a fucked up case and they may not have. I won't crucify them on presumption.
First, Daley is no longer Mayor and none of the Illinois politicians like Rahm. If they did like Rahm Lisa Madigan never would have sent a letter to the Department of Justice asking for an investigation into the McDonald shooting. Daley and Madigan have separated themselves from Rahm. Rahm replaced most or all of the previous Daley appointed police board members with his own people. Rahm wants to show reform and transparency and what better way then to screw policeman involved in a Daley family cover up. I believe the police board will uphold or give them the max then they will appeal to a Crook County judge in the pocket of Burke or Daley and they will be exonerated or their punishment reduced.
I can see in the initial investigation that none of the people that were with Vanecko would cooperate, there was no video even though every bar on that street had video inside and out, line ups were conducted and no one was picked. I don't know and maybe I'm wrong but no phone records were ever subpoenaed, the suspects phone records are always subpoenaed in a homicide and the States Attorney always asked if that was done. Oh yeah and the best is giving a defense for the offender on paper and not justifying where it came from. Vanecko was the aggressor but no one provided us with the information we just hear heard it somewhere.
Sam thinks he smarter then everyone else! The self appointed "homicide" guru, just ask him!
Yes Sam I guess you are smarter then everyone!
D.W.'s son graduated from Notre Dame HS with honors and earned the right to the scholarship. Whatever your thoughts may be about his father leave the kid out of the discussion please.
Area north us so much better without Walsh. Like a dark cloud lifted. Couple more Sgts need an attitude adjustment but overall the difference is night and day.
"What about the original Area 3 det who handled this? He said he wanted to call it in to felony review as a manslaughter or whatever. Well why the fuck didn't he? "
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He did call it in. Asked for charges. Head of Felony Review personally responded to A/3 and rejected charges. Read the report and/or any of the numerous Sun-Times articles and educate yourself.
To 10:44:00 AM,
I'm retired and was not present at either investigation, but in the first investigation a state's attorney, Darren O'Brien, was present and filled out a felony review folder which he says he lost or threw away, I can't remember which. Having dealt with O'Brien on several occations I can tell you he is a pos, but that is neither here or there. As the shit began to hit the fan with Webb investigating O'Brien left the state attorney's office and I do not know what he is doing, nor do I care.
I would imagine that felony review was called in for advice as it would seem that there was not enough evidence or statements to even seek charges, so I doubt that charges were even requested.
As far as suspending the investigation, that is impossible if it is a homicide. It can only be classified as in progress, cleared open if there is one or more charged and still other unidentifed offenders or known offenders who are not in custody, or cleared closed if all offender(s) are in custody and charged.
It could also be cleared exceptionally if there was evidence, etc. and the asa refused to charge. I would imagine that the detectives would have jumped at this if they had evidence and O'Brien had rejected charges, so that is why I say that they probably only had an asa present for advice.
I think everyone posting negative shit about these accused bosses/detectives don't have the balls to say any of this to their faces. If you think real hard I bet everyone one posting here have done something in past that if they got caught, would either be fired, suspended or jailed If you say no way you're just lying or been hiding under some bosses desk and never did ounce of work. My personnel opinion of these guys doesn't matter point is its just sickening to see coppers bashing each other to this level.
2/05/2016 11:50:00 AM
So your valuable opinion is that we are all criminals that haven't been caught yet? Holy cow, what skeletons do you have in your closet that makes your mind think we are all like you? Who is this, Finnegan?
Anonymous said...
I think everyone posting negative shit about these accused bosses/detectives don't have the balls to say any of this to their faces. If you think real hard I bet everyone one posting here have done something in past that if they got caught, would either be fired, suspended or jailed If you say no way you're just lying or been hiding under some bosses desk and never did ounce of work. My personnel opinion of these guys doesn't matter point is its just sickening to see coppers bashing each other to this level.
2/05/2016 11:50:00 AM
True dat, chisel chest but we never got double promoted as a result of our misdeeds, So stand down tough guy and pick on someone your own size! OORAHH....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"What about the original Area 3 det who handled this? He said he wanted to call it in to felony review as a manslaughter or whatever. Well why the fuck didn't he? "
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He did call it in. Asked for charges. Head of Felony Review personally responded to A/3 and rejected charges. Read the report and/or any of the numerous Sun-Times articles and educate yourself.
2/05/2016 06:36:00 PM
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The Area 3 dick never formally asked for charges. Period. If you ask for charges you ask for charges. Period. He never did.
It seems to me Daren O'Brien came out and said "Hey, I won't approve it, so don't bother formally asking for charges." Ya, I get it. But it's up to the detective. You put the ball in the ASA's corner. "I am asking for charges - you just approve it or reject it." Game over. This would have amounted to nothing if that had happened. Walsh would not have then had to hide the files, and the Area 5 guys would never have had to fix Area 3's fuck -up.
Formally present charges on these cases. Game over.
So I'm pretty sure you're wrong, charges were never formally presented. Ad if you get your info from the Sun Times you;ve got problems.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
9:16am
How do you call in a manslaughter charge with a negative line up?
Do you call in a retail theft without an offender?
Most of the guys on here are talking out of their ass. Most are saying hang them without using one single fact or basis to back up their talk. They might have committed violations and they might not have. They may have sloppily handled a fucked up case and they may not have. I won't crucify them on presumption.
2/05/2016 02:19:00 PM
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I'm not giving anybody shit, I am just asking the question - why wasn't it formally presented? THe original dick form Area 3 said HE WANTED TO SEEK MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES
why didn't he? that's all I'm asking
you tell me, how did he know the offender was Vanecko? Someone must have told him. who?
I read the Webb report in it's entirety. If you are a homicide dick you would be remiss, let's say - if you don't read it
we have to learn a lesson from this - my lesson: call felony review - present charges - if they hem and haw - present charges - if you're boss tells you it won't fly - present charges
what 7 cops in big trouble because the original guy didn't present charges?
ya - that's what I learned from this - and I'm not blaming the dick for the A5 dick's behavior, nor DW hiding the files - I'm just saying - if charges were presented it would
be over
I am not blaming the original dick whatsoever here really I'm not - but he did leave things in limbo a bit
WALSH had nothing at all to do with the re-investigation. He found the Investigative file that had been missing. Some FUC&ING COWARD had that file. That person brought it back and put it in the V/C Office on a file cabinet. WALSH found it and made the calls to tell everyone he found it. The case was at A/5 being re-investigated. The next day the working file turns up in an open locker in the Det. locker room. Each and every place had been previously searched................. That's why WALSH is in the shit storm. Read the WEBB report. If you don't like his personality go tell him in person. If your a lazy do nothing or you do half assed investigations ...... look at yourself in the mirror
I really don't know how Vanecko's name got brought up in the investigation. If I had to guess I would say an anonymous tip perhaps, but an anonymous tip is still a good deal of legwork away from making an arrest and presenting a lineup.
As far as calling ASA, there are a certain amount of things that need to be done before presenting the case and state can tell you that they are not sending someone out yet if it is a minor case. Obviously with a murder they will send someone out at least to log your progress. Then another thing state likes to do is CI a case. Usually its for good reason to bolster a case. Sometimes is because they feel a case is not very strong but not weak enough to reject it. Sometimes they will come up with any reason to CI it because they don't want the rejection being on them. Again, I didn't work on this case or around it, but my guess it was headed for a HUGE CI. No matter which way you see it, I think this case was destined to remain open after the negative line up until further evidence appeared, whether it was CI or not presented. And the bottom line is cases with copious amounts of alcohol are not easy cases to investigate. Who do you believe?
The Area 3 dick never formally asked for charges...So I'm pretty sure you're wrong, charges were never formally presented. Ad if you get your info from the Sun Times you;ve got problems.
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Then why was a Felony Review folder filled out by O'Brien? You know, the one he claims he tossed out or destroyed some time afterwards? And why was the Supe's legal assistant (a former ASA) called out to the area to lobby for charging?
And I don't get my info from the S/Ts...but even they address this fact. I was in the area at the time and know charges were formally requested. Any dick knows you can formally request charges, the ASA then must fill out the folder. They can then refuse to address the issue by calling it "an advice call-out" or "more investigation needed". Just because you formally ask for charges does not mean they must formally charge or reject it. And they do that for a reason. They know you are trying to put the ball in their court and this is their way of keeping it in yours.
The following is taken from Dan Webb's report on Koschman: "Tom Epach (a former Cook County ASA) was the Executive Assistant to Superintendent Cline in 2004 and acted as a liaison between CPD and SAO; on occasion advocating on behalf of
detectives when CPD thought a case should be charged.343 In May 2013, Epach testified before
the special grand jury and stated that sometime after the May 20, 2004 lineups, he received a call
from Yawger requesting that he (Epach) reach out to SAO to attempt to obtain approval for charges against Vanecko.344 According to Epach, when Yawger contacted him, Yawger stated
he had already requested involuntary manslaughter charges against Vanecko on May 20, 2004.345
Epach testified that Yawger told him that O’Brien refused Yawger’s request when he (Yawger)
requested charges, and that O’Brien told Yawger that SAO did not charge involuntary
manslaughter cases if SAO thought the case would ultimately be dismissed.346 Epach testified
that he called O’Brien to convince him to bring charges against Vanecko; however, according to
Epach, O’Brien could not be persuaded to do so.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
9:16am
How do you call in a manslaughter charge with a negative line up?
Do you call in a retail theft without an offender?
Most of the guys on here are talking out of their ass. Most are saying hang them without using one single fact or basis to back up their talk. They might have committed violations and they might not have. They may have sloppily handled a fucked up case and they may not have. I won't crucify them on presumption.
2/05/2016 02:19:00 PM
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Learn the law, first. There might have been witnesses. You only need probable cause for charges. If the charges are denied, then you did your job.
To all the jackasses who say people should say shit to Walsh or the others. To what end? Walsh, Andrews etc are vindictive motherfuckers. Once their humongous egos get bruised there would be hell to pay. Fuck them. Good riddance.
Learn the law first. There might have been witnesses. You only need probable cause for the charges. If the charges are denied, then you did your job.
If they had witnesses then how come the negative line up? Was it because it was dark out? Was it because they were drunk? Was it because they were blind? These are the pitfalls of a criminal case. I only need PC? I only need PC for an arrest you goof, not for charges. This isn't an on view drop dope case. Felony Review is a pre-trial of sorts. Is this case winnable or will the city and the officers/detectives be sued after a NG.
Another Monday morning quarterback/detective/attorney. You only need PC for charges!Learn the law first! WOW
What's sad and disturbing as a 30 year cop, is many of my fellow police officers will talk of what good guys, coppers or bosses scum like this are. No thanks I know the truth about these people and am sickened by the fact that because of scum like this the good men and women of the CPD are judged and scrutinized by the public and put in the same category.
WOW let he who has not sinned cast the first stone- YOU BONER
I'm not cutting and pasting, but Webb found that mayor Daley knew within hours of the incident occurring that his nephew was involved. This came from many interviews including the mayor himself and from his chief of staff Matt Crowl (former AUSA) who said someone from cpd notified him that vanecko was involved soon after it happened.
Webb also found that no where in any reports does it substantiate the finding of vanecko acting in self defense. No witnesses statements by either side said koschman threw the first punch. It's believed that cpd conjured up the self defense finding on their own without showing nor documenting evidence of such.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
WALSH had nothing at all to do with the re-investigation. He found the Investigative file that had been missing. Some FUC&ING COWARD had that file. That person brought it back and put it in the V/C Office on a file cabinet. WALSH found it and made the calls to tell everyone he found it. The case was at A/5 being re-investigated. The next day the working file turns up in an open locker in the Det. locker room. Each and every place had been previously searched................. That's why WALSH is in the shit storm. Read the WEBB report. If you don't like his personality go tell him in person. If your a lazy do nothing or you do half assed investigations ...... look at yourself in the mirror
2/06/2016 12:50:00 PM
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Pretty much on the money. There is no evidence whatsoever that he hid the file. Only suspicion. So you have to look for motivation. What was his if he took it? He was not involved in the original investigation and the second had just started. No reason to take it unless someone told him to. It makes more sense that someone involved in the original investigation took it, probably to pull notes/GPRs damaging to themselves.
My personnel opinion of these guys doesn't matter point is its just sickening to see coppers bashing each other to this level.
2/05/2016 11:50:00 AM
So your valuable opinion is that we are all criminals that haven't been caught yet? Holy cow, what skeletons do you have in your closet that makes your mind think we are all like you? Who is this, Finnegan?
2/06/2016 10:50:00 AM
Ok, dumb ass, you missed the point. Now a days there is no gray areas, only black/white while doing this job. Buy if you had any time on the job,you had the opportunity to do the right thing in some gray areas. With today's phones/cameras, a public that doesn't like us, bosses that are too afraid to back us,the things we did in the gray areas would get us indicted now. Are you following along here or do I need to draw a picture, simpleton?
BTW-Nowhere in the original post did I place any of these guys on a pedestal to be admired.
IAD is taking applications, you might want to look into it, since you are so squeaky clean. Rat.
Maybe if he encapsulated his response in essence and not verbatim he would have been better off. It always worked for me.
The old adage: "Let sleeping dogs lie" should have been the mantra for this case. Two top notch Area 5 detectives flat out refused to do anything with this case after Dean "The Queen" Andrews asked them to. That should have been the end of it. But for whatever ridiculous reason The Queen wanted some thing done with this case. So some how he enlisted two other detectives from Area 5, Gilger (a very seasoned and well respected detective) and Spanos (who at the time was not very experienced)to re-investigate this case. Of course The Queen neglected to inform Gilger and Spanos that two other very experienced and intelligent detectives absolutely refused to get involved in the case, instead telling Gilger and Spanos "they were the very first team of detectives he thought of to conduct this investigation". It wasn't until Gilger and Spanos finished their investigation that they found out about the two detectives who were asked first and basically told Dean Andrews to go fuck himself. And thus the end result played out just like many thought it would. The Queen is gone with his hefty pension, while the detectives will suffer.
The Lt walks, the Sgt walks, the detective get the stiff woody because he's a blue shirt. $100 bet any takers?
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