Sunday, April 17, 2016

BB Gun Shooting

  • A 16-year-old boy has been charged after a Chicago police officer was shot with a pellet gun late Friday on the West Side.

    The boy, who is not being identified because of his age, was charged as a juvenile with felony aggravated battery in a public place and aggravated assault, a misdemeanor, according to police.

    Three other people in custody were released without being charged, police said.

    About 10:30 p.m., the officer was working a vice operation near Madison Street and Cicero Avenue when the officer was wounded with a pellet gun, police said.

    During the incident, two officers, including the wounded officer, returned fire but missed, police said. A pellet gun was recovered at the scene, police said.
This is how fast a shooting might go down.
  • A cop sees a gun, hears a pop or a hiss or some sort of report and feels an instant of pain.
  • The copper might yell out "I've been hit/shot!"
  • Not being regularly familiar with what a gunshot would might feel like, the officer and their partner return fire until the threat is removed/isolated/eliminated.
All in the span of what? Two seconds? Three? And while we have heard that the officer will recover physically, can you imagine the outcry if the officers had actually killed this jagoff?

Best wishes for a speedy recovery Officer.

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51 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shear insanity on the part of yute shooter. I don't think these folks were blessed with brains. Glad the officer is OK.

4/17/2016 12:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why even bother charging if Prickwinkle and CC Judges are reforming teens by letting them out of jail and no prosecution, without even holding them accountable for their actions. There is no point in locking up teens laws are there clear cut and dry and unfortunately many judges in the justice system eldo not enforces them which leaves officers to guess and wonder what they should do before taking action. Kids are having a field day when they go to Juvy court and auty home for the naughty. Its like a visit to Jump zone. Would be a nice article to "READ" on how juvenile justice system plays a role in high crime areas. Especially when teens out with gun cases with no time served and pulling up case, after xase, after case, and judges treating these teens like they are the victims and ignoring the true victims who work hard, and try to live civily. Theres a huge problem when kids have 3 to 4 cases pulled up and they are never held accountable thanks to Judges not balancing the laws laws that are in place and giving teens chances of pitty. I'm sorry but we need change everywhere including the Juvenile court system Remember its a court of the law not a trip to chucky cheese!!!

4/17/2016 01:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boy didn't mean the police no harm. Except next time the gun might actually be real.

4/17/2016 01:12:00 AM  
Anonymous JAFO said...

This is a stupid event that should have NEVER happened - but since it did, put the kid into jail for a LONG time. Make an example out of him.

Better yet, strip his whole family off of EVERY entitlement. That would probably send the loudest message into the "neighborhood". Bad parenting equals no more benefits.

If the cops would have killed him, we would have had endless marches upon marches in Chicago.

The kid is lucky he did not get killed.

Someone should be asking the parents, the Auntie, and the Grandma - WTF values are you raising this kid with?

4/17/2016 01:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT...Check out the 'change you can believe in' at Brawl at Stalingrad Metro Station, Paris. Europe is Fucked...!!!!! I think I'd take in the Syrians...

4/17/2016 02:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure the youth was just just funnin and those damn racist police overreacted again.

4/17/2016 03:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quick question? Why does 019 district have 5 tactical teams? Yet there are 9 openings every period. Do not think they need more man power, they just need to know how to use it!!

4/17/2016 06:52:00 AM  
Blogger SpankDaddy said...

Too bad they missed.

4/17/2016 06:53:00 AM  
Blogger stormy said...

that lucky punk scumbag is lucky he is not dead like he should be. shoot at the police with anything get very dead....quite simple to comprehend except maybe not for the scumbag thug human waste in the gettho areas. glad the officers are ok

4/17/2016 07:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of these pellet guns are powerful weapons. They have used them to hunt hogs. If the officer was in uniform they should throw the book at him. He is one lucky Yute. He could have achieved the same level of fame as the saggy pants fence jumper!

4/17/2016 07:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i wish the officer would have lit the honor student up.

sorry, just my perspective........

anybody who points and shoots a gun at me or my partner is going down.

just like you said SCC, there is no time to play nice

4/17/2016 07:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A future graduate of prison university. Or perhaps Morgue state.

4/17/2016 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger Leonard Hamilton said...

Not a cop but a concerned citizen. Will someone please list the judges name and cases so we can vote these assholes out of fucking office.

4/17/2016 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah but if they would have hit the "kid" they would be front and center of media scrutiny, the revs would be calling for their heads, the protestors would be up in arms because "he was just 16 and was a good keed and why didn't they taze him and they didn't have to shoot him..etc"...glad coppers are ok but this is a perfect damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. Good day not to be the police!

4/17/2016 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will be surprised if the kid and his family don't sue the officers for returning fire. Bring on the Federal Civil Rights probe, you know those coppers are racist.

4/17/2016 08:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT but relevant. In the last couple of months, probably locked up a dozen juveniles for shoplifting. There was video evidence and in every case NOTHING happened. No court date at all. Simply a formal adjustment. In three of the cases, I had repeat offenders who were self admitted gang members with extensive histories and yet nothing. Is there really a policy change with crook county on the adjudication and detention of juveniles?

4/17/2016 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pellet gun can severely injure or even kill someone. Happened plenty of times. Any ninny-nan who thinks it's "just a toy" is welcome to shoot themselves experimentally in the palm of the hand with one, just to see.

4/17/2016 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We were always told to be very careful, because those things could put your eye out.

4/17/2016 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where was daddy? Ooops, ummm, never mind. I forgot.

4/17/2016 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Problem with one parent , sperm donor family .

4/17/2016 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's Mr. Jagoff to you, officer. Mr. Jagoff was probably just shooting Chicago rats, him being civil minded, an honor role student, a noble youth when he was ambushed by over zealous, non-fetal cops. Being startled in his rat eradication, Mr. Jagoff let loose with his toy gun and accidentally winged a cop. Mr. Jagoff wept bitter tears, begged forgiveness for the mistake yet, cackling with glee, the nefarious officers arrested this pure-hearted urban hero. This is obviously a miscarriage of justice, poor child.

4/17/2016 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like Clark Griswold said, it could put your eye out. Ralphie's mother said that too.

Actually, there have been several reported incidents where people have either been killed or seriously injured by pellet guns. They're certainly not toys.

4/17/2016 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

first police officers, now firefighters, WTF is going on, fff this s--t!


http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/us/maryland-firefighters-shot/index.html

4/17/2016 01:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How come we never hear the good stories about cops? How about the Chicago police officer that has a documentary on the sportsmans channel and goes to Africa to train and equip anti poaching units and track poachers? Media would never touch that as it would go against the anti police sentiment sweeping this country. Way to go officer, fascinating story given your past circumstances.

4/17/2016 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Safetman said...

Lucky for the officer the pellet gun was not more powerful. Some pellet gun can dispense a pellet over 600 GPS, enough to kill.

4/17/2016 02:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did the task force ask the Gold Star Families for their input?

4/17/2016 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would not be surprised if there was fallout over this. The 12 years old in Cleveland, who was 5'11" and 190 pulled a realistic looking pellet gun from his pants as the cops pulled up. The killed him. The cop was fired and, in this climate lucky he was not indicted. The progressives even wanted the partner, who was driving fired because he pulled up too close to the boy. I was shocked to learn that starting pay for Cleveland Police officers is $10 an hour. These are and will continue to be bad times for the police everywhere. You have every tom, dick and harry putting their two cents in on how the police should act. If you read the Tribune today in the editorial column they are calling for every provision of the task force report to be implemented. Not good and not fair.

4/17/2016 03:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before we label Hiram Grau as a sell out, traitor, moron or imbecile, did he give a statement on what his input was into the task force report?

4/17/2016 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Pellet gun can severely injure or even kill someone. Happened plenty of times. Any ninny-nan who thinks it's "just a toy" is welcome to shoot themselves experimentally in the palm of the hand with one, just to see.

4/17/2016 10:02:00 AM

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Fifty + years ago, a buddy and I both had Sheridan silver streak pellet guns. We were shooting birds out his 2nd floor bedroom window. Long story short, his gun went off in the room and we were looking for where the pellet went when we saw blood running down both sides of his younger brothers forearm. He was looking too and when he saw us looking bugeyed at his arm, he looked down too and went from not knowing he was shot to going WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! He and I got into sooooo much trouble together. LOL

4/17/2016 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You need a FOID card if the pellet gun is over 700fps.

Not a cop.

Stay safe and give 'em hell officers.

4/17/2016 05:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS IS FUCKED. Dont need to be singed into to see this. Looks to be 006 at 79th/Ashland

https://www.facebook.com/738197486317069/videos/779730515497099/

4/17/2016 05:41:00 PM  
Blogger stormy said...

the more i think about it the officers involved should have lit his stupid behind up for being so stupid. then maybe just maybe the idiots would start to figure it out that they are fighting a loosing battle

4/17/2016 05:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT but relevant. In the last couple of months, probably locked up a dozen juveniles for shoplifting. There was video evidence and in every case NOTHING happened. No court date at all. Simply a formal adjustment. In three of the cases, I had repeat offenders who were self admitted gang members with extensive histories and yet nothing. Is there really a policy change with crook county on the adjudication and detention of juveniles?

4/17/2016 09:03:00 AM

Yes, there is. The point system was changed last fall. It makes it harder to get a juvenile offender, even a repeat one, detained. The way it is now a Juv could be on home monitoring, commit a crime and still go home. And even if you do refer a kid to court a charge like shoplifting is usually screened out, meaning dropped before the court date. The court system does not consider it enough of a serious crime. Also if you charge them with a MCC it cannot go to Juv court because there is no Corp Counsel assigned there. The higher ups in county do not want juveniles sent to court. They are pushing diversion programs. Plus there is one youth officer that , if a kid gets arrested who is the same color as this youth officer then the kid gets a automatic adjustment except when required by law. Other colors, not so lucky with that youth Officer. Perhaps you had this youth officer.

4/17/2016 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


OT but relevant. In the last couple of months, probably locked up a dozen juveniles for shoplifting. There was video evidence and in every case NOTHING happened. No court date at all. Simply a formal adjustment. In three of the cases, I had repeat offenders who were self admitted gang members with extensive histories and yet nothing. Is there really a policy change with crook county on the adjudication and detention of juveniles?

4/17/2016 09:03:00 AM

Yes, there really is.
And it's because Toni Preckwinkle wants the juvenile detention center closed.
She said so - in the media - last year.

4/17/2016 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is the department wasting their time with this petty vice crap? Makes no sense to needlessly jeopardize these officers safety for a solicitation charge. Seems business as usual with their tactics to drum up numbers for the stats.

4/17/2016 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Plus there is one youth officer that , if a kid gets arrested who is the same color as this youth officer then the kid gets a automatic adjustment except when required by law. Other colors, not so lucky with that youth Officer. Perhaps you had this youth officer.

4/17/2016 05:50:00 PM"

Have to call bullshit on that one. Nice try, though.

4/17/2016 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard Mr. Grau did not go along with the report in question and dropped out of committee before it was published. I don't know if this is true or not, just heard it.

4/17/2016 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPS honor student , from a one parent family , kid is lucky to be alive .

4/17/2016 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You'll shoot your eye out kid.....

4/17/2016 10:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was shocked to learn that starting pay for Cleveland Police officers is $10 an hour.

Friend who for one reason or another, could never make it to a regular Police Department now works in a town in Lake County called TOWER LAKES and says why not come there and work part time after retirement? The pay? $12.50 an hour!! There are no full time guys there, even the Chief (who is a career barber) but makes a good "part time" $50k salary and gets a take home car!

Thanks but no thanks...

4/17/2016 11:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a sincere question from a retired PO, and no, I swear to God I M not a troll. I should probably know the answer, but I really do not. Is it or is it not illegal to own and shoot an air rifle in Chicago? I ask because I am considering buying a .22 pellet rifle for cheap practice and a chronic raccoon problem. Again, NOT a troll, just a sincere inquiry.

4/18/2016 01:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Taypayer (in the suburbs) said...

So tired of ALL this.

Someone (RAHM?) has to go in and tell the people in "the neighborhood" that this is going to end.

Stop your kids from pulling off these idiotic attacks between themselves and with the police OR suffer the consequences of losing ALL your entitlements.

THAT will send the right wake-up call.

4/18/2016 01:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I heard Mr. Grau did not go along with the report in question and dropped out of committee before it was published. I don't know if this is true or not, just heard it.

4/17/2016 09:58:00 PM
The entire report is posted on WTTW Channel 11 website. I read it and did not see the name of Grau anywhere.

4/18/2016 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Friend who for one reason or another, could never make it to a regular Police Department now works in a town in Lake County called TOWER LAKES and says why not come there and work part time after retirement? The pay? $12.50 an hour!! There are no full time guys there, even the Chief (who is a career barber) but makes a good "part time" $50k salary and gets a take home car!

Thanks but no thanks...

4/17/2016 11:02:00 PM

I spoke directly to an attorney involved in the DOJ case in Cleveland and he told me starting pay in Cleveland is $10 per hour. The DOJ wants is raised substantially and the city is saying no. Same thing happened in Fergusan, MO.

4/18/2016 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT but relevant. In the last couple of months, probably locked up a dozen juveniles for shoplifting. There was video evidence and in every case NOTHING happened. No court date at all. Simply a formal adjustment. In three of the cases, I had repeat offenders who were self admitted gang members with extensive histories and yet nothing. Is there really a policy change with crook county on the adjudication and detention of juveniles

The solution is to just stop locking up juveniles. You are correct...nothing happens to them. When they turn 18, their arrest histories are sealed.
The arresting officers, lock-up keepers, and detectives are punished more than the juvie. We get to do all the work and he just has to sit there. No parent/guardian can be found?? Just more work for us, again, as the juvie just sits there.

Then it goes to court, nothing happens to the juvie.

Stop locking up juvies, all problems are solved.

4/18/2016 08:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad none of the Officers were injured. I don't know how old the juvenile is, but if he's out at 10:30 at night without his parent(s), and wants to shoot at Police Officers, well,... All the should's and could's.
If he's not smart enough not to shoot at Police by now, he'll learn the hard way.
When the mother and 10 or 15 fathers start bawling and squalling all over TV, they SHOULD lose all public benefits and be charged with child neglect.
Sympathy and multi-million dollar settlements only encourage minorities that do not and will not respect the authority wielded by law enforcement officers.
If this is "their" culture, "they" should be in "their" homeland. Not here pissing off Americans.
Stay safe Officers.

J.J.

4/18/2016 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is a sincere question from a retired PO, and no, I swear to God I M not a troll. I should probably know the answer, but I really do not. Is it or is it not illegal to own and shoot an air rifle in Chicago? I ask because I am considering buying a .22 pellet rifle for cheap practice and a chronic raccoon problem. Again, NOT a troll, just a sincere inquiry.

4/18/2016 01:28:00 AM

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Bizarrely enough, if you read the whole statute, there's an exemption for carnivals. But to answer the question, they are illegal. It is a city charge - misdemeanor.

ยง 8-24-040

Discharging toy firearms; Replica air guns

a.

Except as provided in subsection (c) below, no person shall at any time discharge or set off anywhere within the city, or have in his possession for such purpose any toy firearm, air rifle, or toy cannon, that discharges projectiles either by air, spring, explosive, substance, or any other force.

4/18/2016 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the retired copper, you can find some nice air rifles that come with a build in suppressor, very quiet, very accurate ( after you zero it in) and can certainly take care of your raccoon problem

4/18/2016 05:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vice is one of the most useless units we have on this department get rid of it..

4/18/2016 09:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


Vice is one of the most useless units we have on this department get rid of it..

4/18/2016 09:45:00 PM
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It's only useless because it's a hiding place for the clouted and the cutie pies. Make it a real unit, instead of a hideout.

4/19/2016 02:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the retired copper asking about the .22 air rifle, thanks for the answers from whoever answered. That's why I still come on this site...to get guidance when I need it and stay informed. Thanks and as always...stay safe.

4/19/2016 08:46:00 PM  

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