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- The Chicago Police and Fire Departments will make the switch from a paper-based time-keeping system to an electronic system that uses biometrics, as part of a citywide crackdown on absenteeism with a $10 million price tag.
The Chicago Sun-Times reported last week that the Police Department spent a record $116.1 million on overtime in 2015 — up 17.2 percent from the previous year — to mask a manpower shortage that has mushroomed under Mayor Rahm Emanuel, with police retirements outpacing hiring by 975 officers.
On Thursday, Budget Director Alex Holt acknowledged that both the Police and Fire Departments, where overtime has also been a problem, are still using a paper system for tracking hours worked.
That’s about to change, thanks to changes recommended by an “absenteeism task force” tied to Emanuel’s tax-laden 2016 budget.
Um, the overtime isn't about "absenteeism." It's about a massive manpower shortage. Remember? The media wrote about it for about ten seconds a week or two ago - cutting twelve-hundred spots from the budget and retirements outpacing hiring by another thousand.
Judging by the "variances" the CFD complains about semi-regularly, their manpower shortage is about as acute as ours, and their overtime runs 24-hours at a time.
But Rahm is going to nickel-and-dime public safety departments while cost overruns at every single construction project you can think of is off the charts, aldercreatures earn 6-figures for a part time job with a unaccountable "menu" that tops $1 million per ward, and crooked contracting continues apace.
Judging by the "variances" the CFD complains about semi-regularly, their manpower shortage is about as acute as ours, and their overtime runs 24-hours at a time.
But Rahm is going to nickel-and-dime public safety departments while cost overruns at every single construction project you can think of is off the charts, aldercreatures earn 6-figures for a part time job with a unaccountable "menu" that tops $1 million per ward, and crooked contracting continues apace.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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OMG! They shovel this bullshit out of city hall and the assholes eat it up!
What a bunch of jagoffs reporters are here.
Rahm and the Daleys must laugh themselves silly every time they throw a couple million over to McHugh and friends.
There goes the D Unit. Wait until you see the retirements now.
Just like everything else this city does it will end up costing them MORE $$$ in overtime.
So the City is going to try to go to electronic timekeeping again.
They looked at doing this a few times. One time, back in the early 2000s vendor looked at it. When they got into it, they got flustered and left.
Start on one day, end on another. Maybe not the next day.
And how do you keep the system up and running? And cover for the boss's dolly that early ducks?
I can't wait to see the ticket number written on a TSSS card taped to what ever we swipe in on.
Someone is making money off this.
Yeah , and don't forget to take your online ethics test before November or face fines.
this city is a bad joke .
Doing more with less may be okay in the business world but it doesn't work in LE when faced with people who have no moral compass.
There is a retirement Tsunami that is just starting to form. By 2018, all those coppers hired by the CAPS grants in 90-94 are going to be leaving. This will not be just in Chicago, but nationwide...but especially in Illinois. Things are going to get bad.
Not to worry the Rahmster is on it! He is gonna get good story out via his comrade cohorts in the press no matter if its totally untrue. `Spin Spin Spin. Rahmy is all over it, he is in charge, its for the children, the future, he is a sharp S.O.B. and as usual its complete bullshit. Any lie will do to generate positive media coverage.
Three years ago in Rahm's first term there was a huge debate among several alderman that wanted Rahm to hire police officers instead of spending over 75 million in secondary employment on overtime for officers to work their days off in the ghetto, Michigan Ave ect. Rahm said it was more efficient than hiring new police.
Gee as the number of officers declined to patrol the streets due to retirement the amount of officers needed to work overtime increased. Hey Rahm look at that 2+2=4 Sounds like your allegations are completely full of shit as usual. You have spent hundreds of millions of dollars but did not hire any police that was completely wasteful.a stupid stop gap measure.
Im sure last year's overtime for police coverage that went over 100 million mark or lets say 16 million, (again Rahm simple math) was needed to pay for the MCDONALD protests. I was at the protests nearly every day. They were not protesting the police as much as the fact that you Rahm had covered the shooting up to win reelection, remember all the Rahm resign signs in the national press?
Im sure Horse face Fran over at the Suntimes would have us believe otherwise, and that you're really on top of things and have the city's best interest at heart but both of you are just full of doo doo.
In the spirit of man power shortage in CPD.... i got DQ'd from the process because I got fired from this lame job I had for a minor reason in 2005. I disclosed it. Left reference info. That was the reason given. Got all the way to the final power test. Been at current job 7 years in great standing. clean record. Good references. Amazing, huh?
Knowing how chicago operates this has all the earmarks of another boondoggle.
The only way for it to work properly is to outsource the entire project to a legit company.
DQ' d? You worked at Dairy Queen?
This is typical bullshit. Rahm/media puts a spin on it, bad police. This will fail again. All this is, is another payout to another connected company. Follow the money and you'll see who's getting paid. That's why we have roll call before every shift. This has absolutely nothing to do with "absenteeism." Whats going to happen when someone is on medical/IOD, p day/bfd, furlough, time in front/time in end? How and who is going to put that into the system? Who's going to be trained in IT and who's going to keep up the system. What happens if you're running 15 minutes late, who do you call? What happens if someone lives far out side and works north, or vice versa? So it take an hour and a half to drive to work, now you have to wait in line for how long to scan in? This will fail, just like it previously has, but whoever is running this scam will get a big check.
Oh no!! You mean the tact teams will all have to work 8.5 for 8.5 now?? No more "early ducks" that are part of the quiet culture? I see time theft all the damn time...I think this is GOOD! Sorry but we complain about manpower shortages and then contribute to the problem over and over by leaving early on a regular basis! Sergeants are judged on where'd they are "good guys" based on if they'll hold slips. Yet then we turn around and cry about not enough manpower? This was a long time coming and I for one welcome it AS LONG AS it applies to EVERYONE!! That means ALL bureaus! Not just patrol.
Thank God I only have 7 months left!!! :)
Being a dick will become one of the worst jobs on the department.
Can anyone give us the exact number of people who actually showed up to take the police exam on Saturday 4/16/2016?
"Without that system, Holt was asked how taxpayers can be certain the $116.1 million in police overtime hours billed were legitimately worked."
That paragraph was snuck in there in the middle
This has nothing to do with absenteeism
The City wants to stop the practice of certain no-bid units lettinf their guys go home early. Just remember this will work both ways. No more 15 minutes to an hour of working for free at the end of shifts, which happens consistently department wide. Make sure the last thing you do before leave is clock out. Don't let the bosses bully you into clocking out at the end of your scheduled shifts THEN doing that last report or bit of paperwork on your own dime.
Hey dq'd, they did you a huge favor . This job in this city sucks . I think a pattern similar to lapd will emerge where most leave around the 5 year point . Run as far and as fast as you can from Illinois .
This did not work the last two times they tried it. Third times the charm?
Forensic audit
In the spirit of man power shortage in CPD.... i got DQ'd from the process because I got fired from this lame job I had for a minor reason in 2005. I disclosed it. Left reference info. That was the reason given. Got all the way to the final power test. Been at current job 7 years in great standing. clean record. Good references. Amazing, huh?
Depends what you got fired for. Drugs, theft, what was it? We have enough scum slip through the cracks. We don't need another one.
Lowest bidder will get this, it will break in 2 months. Back to paper
We have this system at Aviation, swipe in, swipe out with your fingerprint and card.
What the mayors office is not telling you is that many times the system does not work right. Soo, here what happens.
A supervisor gets a list of "missing" swipes.
This now has to be broken down by watch.
At the next roll call, the officer is informed that he has to make out a one page swipe correction form.
After the officer does that, he hands it back after roll call.
The supervisor then has to fill out more information on each form.
The form that have to be sent over to the proper people who have to make corrections in the computer.
etc, etc, etc.
Needless to say, this really costs more than the paper system, but then again, this way some of the Mayors buddies can get even more money from the city.
Also, districts have check off rollcall. so there is already a supervisor making sure everybody stay.
Time to swipe in and out.... low man again gets the id cards!
all an effort to cut Court Overtime in the next contract to actual time in Court.
There is out of control crime in Chicago, pay up and shut up!
Anonymous said...
Can anyone give us the exact number of people who actually showed up to take the police exam on Saturday 4/16/2016?
4/17/2016 09:21:00 AM
7000
Anonymous said...
Being a dick will become one of the worst jobs on the department.
4/17/2016 08:55:00 AM
No it wont. For the most part the D-unit works their OT. Not like a lot of specialized units.
They made a start on that in the early 1990's. Never went live. They told us we all had to swipe in and out daily, I guess to get us accustomed to doing it. I decided to test the system and never swiped in or out once. In years, other people dutifully swiped in and out and never once did anyone come up to me me to ask why I wasn't swiping. Never.
More City bullshit.
---retired three years and never ever swiped.
They spent millions of dollars a few years ago to bring this to the CPD, even after being told early and often that it wouldn't work, at least not the one by the company it chose, which did Toyota America. Big difference between hourly assembly line workers and the police who may start their tours in court, at training away from city buildings or a dozen or so other places. Wasted millions, but no papers reported on it. I think they were doing it at O'Hare and I think the fire department tried it out.
Recently an article in the newspaper listed these numbers as being quoted from cpd:
Dean Andrews retired and received $133, 336 for unused overtime.
Joe Salemme retired and received $89,387 for unused overtime.
Denis Walsh retired and received $12,037 for unused overtime.
Dean came on the job in 1990, and he made sgt in 1996 and made cmdr in 2002. Not sure exact year he made lt, regardless Dean got 3/4 hour or 1 hour each day he worked for 6 years. He would have had to be a sgt at least 2 years, so let's say the other 4 years he was a lt. Just doing a fast estimates, that would give him about 1200 free hours on the books. If you ever worked close to him, you would know he never came to work. So in addition to getting paid to do nothing, he threw in a lot of slips doing even less. Yes I know his OT was paid at his deputy chief salary, and that's bullshit too.
Now the big question - what did Denis do with all his comp time? He was a lt for 13 years and had to have at least 2600 free hours on the books. Unless it was a typo and the newspaper forgot a 1 in the front.
There's a Court Section sergeant on the 4th floor at 26th and California who will be very upset about this. Sgt. D.C. will actually have to work a full tour of duty, and her good friend "Double-Dipping" Deputy Chief Shear won't be able to cover for her. Those 0600 start times will really be at 0600, instead of the 0830-0900 start time (after she drops her kids off at school). And the daily afternoon "early ducks" to pick those kids up from school will have to end.
Most all of the workforce everywhere uses some form of timekeeping other than sign in/out sheets so I don't see the great difficulty with this you're not all that special.
Time clocks in the Firehouse aren't a problem, but we've been down this road before.
First place to start this new time system is at H-Square and HQ.
I spent 25 years of a 29 year career
under the threat of swiping in, and it never
happened, never will.
Anonymous said...
Recently an article in the newspaper listed these numbers as being quoted from cpd:
Dean Andrews retired and received $133, 336 for unused overtime.
Joe Salemme retired and received $89,387 for unused overtime.
Denis Walsh retired and received $12,037 for unused overtime.
Dean came on the job in 1990, and he made sgt in 1996 and made cmdr in 2002. Not sure exact year he made lt, regardless Dean got 3/4 hour or 1 hour each day he worked for 6 years. He would have had to be a sgt at least 2 years, so let's say the other 4 years he was a lt. Just doing a fast estimates, that would give him about 1200 free hours on the books. If you ever worked close to him, you would know he never came to work. So in addition to getting paid to do nothing, he threw in a lot of slips doing even less. Yes I know his OT was paid at his deputy chief salary, and that's bullshit too.
Now the big question - what did Denis do with all his comp time? He was a lt for 13 years and had to have at least 2600 free hours on the books. Unless it was a typo and the newspaper forgot a 1 in the front.
4/17/2016 08:04:00 PM
Overtime buy-outs are paid at the retiree's career service level, not his/her appointed level. Dean's was paid at the lieutenant's level, his career service rank.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Recently an article in the newspaper listed these numbers as being quoted from cpd:
Dean Andrews retired and received $133, 336 for unused overtime.
Joe Salemme retired and received $89,387 for unused overtime.
Denis Walsh retired and received $12,037 for unused overtime.
Dean came on the job in 1990, and he made sgt in 1996 and made cmdr in 2002. Not sure exact year he made lt, regardless Dean got 3/4 hour or 1 hour each day he worked for 6 years. He would have had to be a sgt at least 2 years, so let's say the other 4 years he was a lt. Just doing a fast estimates, that would give him about 1200 free hours on the books. If you ever worked close to him, you would know he never came to work. So in addition to getting paid to do nothing, he threw in a lot of slips doing even less. Yes I know his OT was paid at his deputy chief salary, and that's bullshit too.
Now the big question - what did Denis do with all his comp time? He was a lt for 13 years and had to have at least 2600 free hours on the books. Unless it was a typo and the newspaper forgot a 1 in the front.
4/17/2016 08:04:00 PM
Why do you give a shit what Denis did with his comp time?
The tact teams are exempt from this. I know because I asked my sgt.
This may bite city hall in the ass. Everyone will know exactly how many officers we are short on a daily basis.
How about a certain clouted, never been the working police, always cake spots, property crimes Lt. (Yes, you read that right, Property Lt.) who racked up a $hitload of overtime $$$ (one of the top city-wide) as a ghost payroller??? Then fucks over and denies actual working detectives a measley couple of hours when they're trying to work and clear a legit pattern. What? You need to steal all the ot for yourself? And then dumps and fucks over a detective who refused to pin a pattern and multiple clearups on an offender who actually didn't do the other crimes, but jagbag Lt wants to make himself look good. Good for you RR for standing your ground on what's right. Oh, btw this micro-managing stroke was never even detective. Goes to prove, "Clout is King"!, not actual competency.
No it wont. For the most part the D-unit works their OT. Not like a lot of specialized units.
4/17/2016 07:00:00 PM
Who are you bullshitting? No more bumps for you. No more late starts or early ducks. No more spinning the clock and then going home to sleep during your regular tour. If being a dick doesn't suck enough now, it will really suck after this shit starts.
Hey listen Homicide Joe property crime is way more important and relevant in civilized society than the daily thinning of the thug herd. Get your head straight
There is a retirement Tsunami that is just starting to form. By 2018, all those coppers hired by the CAPS grants in 90-94 are going to be leaving. This will not be just in Chicago, but nationwide...but especially in Illinois. Things are going to get bad
Hey stooge you are already under the Tsunami they hired a shit load of coppers between 1985 and 1988 the biggest group of hires in the past four decades.
(Yes, you read that right, Property Lt.) who racked up a $hitload of overtime $$$ (one of the top city-wide) as a ghost payroller??? Then fucks over and denies actual working detectives a measley couple of hours when they're trying to work and clear a legit pattern.
Yes supervision has its privileges now quit your jibber jabber and get back to work make me look good, and enough about you already what can you do for me.
You better watch you ass I didnt get a hurumph out of you.
Don't let the bosses bully you into clocking out at the end of your scheduled shifts THEN doing that last report or bit of paperwork on your own dime.
Damn salty you for real! I would have to supervise you wearing my depends. But since everyone be a straight up genus "diming" everybody out tact, dets, units. bosses dollies on their own dime at home on their computers let pontificate these deifications to you old salty and friends until we get some righteous thoughts among you who are always looking for mines. Theres only 24 hours in a day but you supposed to work 9.5 hours over three sifts well that be 28.5 So Salty you been steady beaten the city for at least 45 minutes to and hour a day now that just aint right. There something about the mayor's dna that makes him a cheap bastard,he aint gonna buy enough cars/radios for all of you to drive around for all 9 hours.
There's hope salty! You wont have to have any bosses bully to do reports own your own dime because you will be steady holding the thousand mile stare in the hallway waiting for that clock to hit like the cheap cry baby prick you are.
Anonymous said...
Recently an article in the newspaper listed these numbers as being quoted from cpd:
Dean Andrews retired and received $133, 336 for unused overtime.
Joe Salemme retired and received $89,387 for unused overtime.
Denis Walsh retired and received $12,037 for unused overtime.
Dean came on the job in 1990, and he made sgt in 1996 and made cmdr in 2002. Not sure exact year he made lt, regardless Dean got 3/4 hour or 1 hour each day he worked for 6 years. He would have had to be a sgt at least 2 years, so let's say the other 4 years he was a lt. Just doing a fast estimates, that would give him about 1200 free hours on the books. If you ever worked close to him, you would know he never came to work. So in addition to getting paid to do nothing, he threw in a lot of slips doing even less. Yes I know his OT was paid at his deputy chief salary, and that's bullshit too.
Now the big question - what did Denis do with all his comp time? He was a lt for 13 years and had to have at least 2600 free hours on the books. Unless it was a typo and the newspaper forgot a 1 in the front.
4/17/2016 08:04:00 PM
Overtime buy-outs are paid at the retiree's career service level, not his/her appointed level. Dean's was paid at the lieutenant's level, his career service rank.
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Thanks, did not realize that. Good to know.
Welcome to the world of the public sector. Every nickle counted by B school grads who have never had a real job in their lives.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They made a start on that in the early 1990's. Never went live. They told us we all had to swipe in and out daily, I guess to get us accustomed to doing it. I decided to test the system and never swiped in or out once. In years, other people dutifully swiped in and out and never once did anyone come up to me me to ask why I wasn't swiping. Never.
More City bullshit.
---retired three years and never ever swiped.
4/17/2016 08:02:00 PM
28yrs. Never once swiped. A list was published in 2007 or 2008 of names in my unit who didn't swipe. I wasn't even on it. What a joke that whole mess was.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Most all of the workforce everywhere uses some form of timekeeping other than sign in/out sheets so I don't see the great difficulty with this you're not all that special.
4/17/2016 08:25:00 PM
Nobody said we're so special. But, our timekeeping is MUCH more complicated than timekeeping for office workers. There's court, training, shifts that span two calendar dates, different pay grades, contractual requirements, etc. This automated system has been a huge waste of money in the past and another attempt at it will be another huge waste of money for our 'broke' city.
Our timekeeping is actually fine as it is. Automation is supposed to cut our overtime somehow. Well, our department stated it was going to get the job done with overtime, rather than new hires, yet now the City complains about the exorbitant overtime (which will supposedly be cured by swiping in and out).
Maybe the resolution would be to hire more officers. The overtime would go down, the pension contributions would go up, personnel wouldn't be tired and cranky and make mistakes that cost the city money in settlements... what a concept!
Problem is just like one poster said - the extra 15/20 minutes a day that you work off the clock to be given back at the end the next day won't be there anymore. They will HAVE to pay. They should be careful what they wish for. I for one will ALWAYS be checking the $$$ box, and I'm usually a time taker.
Supervisors will have no discretion, we'll all have to come in early just to stand around the clock, 'cause no one will want to approve overtime. Can't do an automated traffic crash with less than 45 minutes on the clock, sorry, you'll have to wait for the next crew.
I'll be unavailable for my 30 minute lunch, too, not grabbing a bite between phone calls and returning inventories at the desk.
The system we have by far isn't perfect, but if bosses have no discretion, that will really throw a wrench in the works.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about a certain clouted, never been the working police, always cake spots, property crimes Lt. (Yes, you read that right, Property Lt.) who racked up a $hitload of overtime $$$ (one of the top city-wide) as a ghost payroller??? Then fucks over and denies actual working detectives a measley couple of hours when they're trying to work and clear a legit pattern. What? You need to steal all the ot for yourself? And then dumps and fucks over a detective who refused to pin a pattern and multiple clearups on an offender who actually didn't do the other crimes, but jagbag Lt wants to make himself look good. Good for you RR for standing your ground on what's right. Oh, btw this micro-managing stroke was never even detective. Goes to prove, "Clout is King"!, not actual competency.
4/18/2016 12:08:00 AM
You sure you're not talking about the Youth lieutenant who did nothing but his attorney-work during his rare trips into the office? Sounds like a carbon copy.
I'm a ghost patroller. How will this affect me? Do you think it will be detrimental?
Inside office police should clock in and out. They are on their own time.
And with the shortage of sgts. the inside front office sgts should be over seeing CAPS in every district . The department cut back CAPS so much, why do we need a Sgt in every district to handle this position?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about a certain clouted, never been the working police, always cake spots, property crimes Lt. (Yes, you read that right, Property Lt.) who racked up a $hitload of overtime $$$ (one of the top city-wide) as a ghost payroller??? Then fucks over and denies actual working detectives a measley couple of hours when they're trying to work and clear a legit pattern. What? You need to steal all the ot for yourself? And then dumps and fucks over a detective who refused to pin a pattern and multiple clearups on an offender who actually didn't do the other crimes, but jagbag Lt wants to make himself look good. Good for you RR for standing your ground on what's right. Oh, btw this micro-managing stroke was never even detective. Goes to prove, "Clout is King"!, not actual competency.
4/18/2016 12:08:00 AM
You sure you're not talking about the Youth lieutenant who did nothing but his attorney-work during his rare trips into the office? Sounds like a carbon copy.
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Nope. Property Lt who made $61,000 in ot doing what exactly? Ya never saw the guy.
Nope. Property Lt who made $61,000 in ot doing what exactly? Ya never saw the guy.
Silly, He was working deep undercover and wore a disguise just like Beretta.
Oh, btw this micro-managing stroke was never even detective, OR he would be even better at being stroke.
Sure sounds to me like the Lt. is smarter or knows how to steal overtime better than you and most 9165's, isn't that the detective's primary responsibility?
Look kid when you get sometime on the job hopefully you will learn to never underestimate a man's greed and the dynamics of I gots to get mines.
Here's one more tip for ya junior get the fuck out of that office as fast as you can everyday-make them call/find you to assign you a job, because the only people more full of themselves than arrogant detectives is detective supervisors. I hope you're not offended just trying to help.
G.C.S.
Property Lt who made $61,000 in ot doing what exactly?
Why you looking into a man's private business if you had as much interest in you cases as compared to what he's doing, you be breaking you cases wide open and making some of the sweet ot yourself.
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