Check Your Ammo
From the comments - an explanation why all qualifying has been cancelled at the moment:
- All p.o's after you qualify with your weapon check every bullet you are given in the box. Officers are finding defective and rusted bullets in what we are issued. from what we hear that is why qualifications have stopped. These bullets can misfire, jam or not go off at all.at this writing there is no special memo or explanation for this from our department
Old ammo? Improperly stored? Something to do with the steel (or nickel steel) cases instead of brass?
Or crappy manufacturing?
UPDATE: A few Range guys have written to say it's was manufacturing problem. Seems a portion of the side of the cases were actually bent into the case, causing a sharp edge that could hang up a bullet upon ignition of the powder. They explained that this would be a very bad thing. Like very very bad.
Or crappy manufacturing?
UPDATE: A few Range guys have written to say it's was manufacturing problem. Seems a portion of the side of the cases were actually bent into the case, causing a sharp edge that could hang up a bullet upon ignition of the powder. They explained that this would be a very bad thing. Like very very bad.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
127 Comments:
God . . . this city sucks.
Stop the damn bus, I want to get off NOW.
Perhaps buying cheaper ammo....reloads? Hubby (retired) went shooting with his brother. The new gun kept jamming. Took it to the local gun shop and it turned out that it was the ammo. He had bought some reloads and the rounds were not round.
Sounds like a vendor cashing in on clout again!
Out of date PDT, overpriced taser, computers with useless programs and cheap monitors.
But the inspector general will sweat firemens uniform allowance!
And will let Gene Williams retire with a badge after running a clouted cheating class for exempts and IAD flunkies.
Anyone see the latest video of cops being stripped by the supt for slamming an armed robber that tried to run a cop over to the ground. They through her down, after all she did, and now Eddie forwarded that to ipra asking them to take a second look saying it was brutality. This is just so fucked up. If there has ever been someone that doesn't have our backs, I'll start with this guy. He's going to turn out to be the absolute worst. I'll take jody any day over fast Eddie.
Side note: he's throwing ever other cooper to the wolves, but his fiancé...? No, doesn't appear to be doing anything about that.
Typical garbage... How the hell are we like the third largest police force in the nation yet we are so far behind a lot of departments. It's getting old being treated like a red headed step child.
Some improperly crimped brass has gotten out, which could be downright dangerous.
Tell them to keep them, hornady critical duty. A dollar a bullet
Eddie's Cozzi/St. Sabina moment. What did they do wrong?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-video-released-met-20160422-story.html
Professional Procurement by professional procurers.
Talk about a problem that can blow up in your face...
Last time I qualified, the instructor gave ammo back that I unloaded into the can. Told me the bullets are find. Make sure you get ammo from fresh box
Just watched the latest video release. In summary: criminal commits robbery, tryst to run over a cop, gets shot, pulls over and exits her car and cop takes her down. I didn't notice anything excessive about it. She was even convicted of the robbery in Cook County. Five years later Eddie Johnson says this case needs to be reopened and investigated. Well, so much for Eddie Johnson leading us through these tough times. Oh wait, does he still have our backs 100%,?
Let me guess what brand Chicago bought?
Lester's Ammunition - America's Cheapest Ammunition
http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/lesters002.jpg
The great thing about the bad ammo is that the department knew about it since 13 APR. The admin. notice came out 22 APR in the late afternoon. These fucking assholes knew that the ammo was faulty , but didn't make it officially known to the members for over a week. Talk about an officer safety issue.
Only the best for us. Typical city nonsense.
Meanwhile Rahm is full speed ahead on more bike lanes and a billion dollars for a Star Wars museum.
Talk about ass backwards priorities by Rahm.
Should have gone with Speer Golddot or even Hornady LE only.
Not the first time either,,a couple years back they were passing out .45acp ammo with similar problems.
Buy yo own!
It's true
I qualified a week ago at area central and they had us check each bullet when we reloaded. When the range guy opened my box of ammo A few in the box were bad.
Simple solution. Buy your own ammo and don't buy the el cheapo stuff. After all it's only your life on the line.
Love how the media only shows when the car finally stops and she is thrown to the ground after doing an armed robbery, fleeing and eluding and trying to run down officers. This all happened in 2011 and they are getting stripped now? All kidding aside anybody that does proactive police work is cra cra.
Manufacturing problem, not the city. Instructor caught it and made notifications. Otherwise it would have gone on.
Really there is no point in bringing out videos to the public, all it causes is problems, the fact that this individual was robbing people at what point do we stop rewarding bad behavior by criminals. I don't see anything different then what any other law enforcement, or military personnel handle a fleeing felon, or cleering a house when someone poses a danger. At one point u have to put your hands on them without taking chances, only the offender is to blame here. Really u do not know their state of mind she could've jumped put her hands down and jump back in the car to still become a threat once again in a blink of an eye in less then .0002 seconds to be exact. Unbelievable!!!
Real classy Mr. Johnson, real ckassy!
Lowest bidder or a Friend of Rahm?
The ammo we get is Winchester Ranger aka. BLACK Talon. There maybe some black staining around the primer...these are the bad ones.
And people still like working here?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just watched the latest video release. In summary: criminal commits robbery, tryst to run over a cop, gets shot, pulls over and exits her car and cop takes her down. I didn't notice anything excessive about it. She was even convicted of the robbery in Cook County. Five years later Eddie Johnson says this case needs to be reopened and investigated. Well, so much for Eddie Johnson leading us through these tough times. Oh wait, does he still have our backs 100%,?
4/23/2016 01:17:00 AM
Eddies been saying if an officer makes a " mistake" he has their back! Wait eddie these officers made zero mistakes and you are sacrificing them to the media circus! A felonious moron attempts to kill police with a dangerous weapon her vehicle gets deservedly shot that's cowardly what you're doing sir! Did you demote your girlfriend al'ls wife and the rest of the cheaters casting another black eye on Cpd? That's blatant cheating! Your leadership training was where again? Extremely disappointed if a leader lacking respect of his officers how can you direct when you have no respect?
Plenty of high quality rounds out there. Put the stuff they give you in your locker and buy your own.
Stop and think about this a bit. It's from the City. It's FREE [because they have to]. So why would you ever think it was good? Over the years this has happened several times. Just go out and buy your own so you have that peace of mind your gun will go off when you need it too. The only good thing that the City ever gave me was a call box key!
Amazing that this department has negated officer's qualifying to return to active duty after they had suffered serious injuries to their shooting hand. Injuries so severe that their the shooting hands required multiple surgeries. Yet they were told NOT to go to the range to complete a course of fire. This course of fire would indicate if they were competent to return to duty. If any of these officer's get in an on or off duty shooting and are unable to perform or any injuries are a result of lack of competency this department will undoubtedly be found liable.
No bullets Rham.....rusted bullets Rham......no paper targets....... inoperable range(s )......lack of range personnel......but you better do that ethics training on line or the supervisors threaten you with disciplinary action. But no one cares about safety for the officer or the community. Shame....Shame...Shame.
Dyla Hata
A Liberal ploy to get Police to stop shooting people! City provides junk products to use!
They give us cheap junk. We don't they give us Corbon, sold copper bullets. This is the best. Or give us the option to purchase and carry. What's our life worth.
Hey way back when, Harold Washington was the mayor, the city was buying Ammo from
a minority firm from Detroit, talk about problems, there was not enough gun powder
in several crates of bullets that were issued to us, I remember a tact guy shot
an offender square in the chest and said offender was in ER laughing at the bullet
that was stuck in his chest, on real!
It's Winchester so what's wrong with that ? Or have people been getting something else? What caliber?
I assume you are using 9mm. Check the headstamps of your cartridges to see when and where it was made. There is a lot of junk on the market right now. There is stuff coming out of long term storage from God only knows where being imported because you can sell any thing it in the States. I have seen steel cased garbage that are not safe to shoot much less anything you would want to use to protect your life with. The worst is the aluminum cased stuff it is down right dangerous. There is even some of this stuff that has corrosive primers. If you carried something like the .40 S&W this wouldn't happen because there is no cheap surplus junk to purchase. You guys can win for loosing.
Happens in every police department. Low bid and politically connected vendors-remember?
Cheapest equipment=your weapons of defense
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Should have gone with Speer Golddot or even Hornady LE only.
I would suggest Hornady's Zombie load.
Quick story. When I went to qualify this year my first round didn't fire. Pulled the trigger and nothing. Tapped the magazine Racked the slide, ejected the round and finished the qual with no other issues. When I finished, I inspected the round which had a fireing pin indentation. I reloaded the round and it did fire but without the normal feel of the other rounds. I've been here ten years and this isn't the first time I've heard of ammunition recalls.
Just qualified last week. Range guy said the city is considering stopping the practice of having us qualify with our duty ammo, then giving us a new box. They're thinking about having us unload our duty ammo, qualify with cheaper practice ammo, then reloading our year -old duty ammo into our magazines when done.
I haven't qualified yet, I thought the Dep't issued Speer Gold Dot?? What are they giving out now? I prefer Hornady Critical Duty but the Speer Gold Dots are very good rounds as well.
Again, nothing new. Department did the same thing back in revolver days
OT...The witch hunt continues under Eddie Johnson. Saw the video of the stop of the vehicle that was being chased five years ago. The officer in the video does an emergency takedown and the offender is secured. This is how we were trained in the academy. This video is not disturbing at all and absolutely text book take down. Dealing with criminals is never pretty and often very ugly. The politics in this city is disgusting and we have become the target of the liberals, BLM, media, and every police hater. Our police union must step up and condemn the fact that they are reopening cases that were already investigated and closed. It appears as though their is a hidden agenda on how eliminate officers and save on screwing them from their pensions. Eddie Johnson is yet another puppet controlled by RAHM. I want the FEDS to investigate the Mayor and also the recent promotion of Lieutenants.
If you have less than 9 years on, get out now before you have regrets!
DOJ is here just to help, as Obama takes his black lies matter to London world stage to talk about American police brutality Trump cannot take office soon enough:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/politics/obama-london-town-hall/index.html
Perhaps the area central 3rd watch range instructor who spends his tour preaching about how stupid coppers are for voting republican or democrat should spend more time inspecting ammo instead of trying to convince everyone they should become a Libertarian. Here's a hint Pat, you're the laughing stock of every copper who has to listen to your speech about Rand Paul. I hears a hint- were only there to qualify and we could care less about your pipe dream of a Libertarian president.
Hornady Critical Duty...best L.E. ammo on the market! Therefore, Chicago will never buy it.....as you were sheeple..
I saw the video, I was waiting to see something so outrageous.. I mean the reporter lead up to the news story was so dramatic..then I watch the video and was like "hey did I miss something?"
I've done the same thing, dozens of times, it used to be called "putting hands on people" , you know physical control tactics!
Then they play the interview with the offenders mother who says, "I just want justice for my daughter..they treated her like a criminal. My daughter ain't no criminal. She just got her self in a bad situation " blah, blah,blah..Ghetto rationalization at its finest!
I'll contribute to the benefit for the officers because they were being the police!
SCC
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http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=2758&GAID=13&GA=99&DocTypeID=SB&LegID=96067&SessionID=88
Does it surprise you any about this city. But didn't the mayor just say we are getting extra special training or is that typical democrat and chicago politics. Just say what the public wants to hear and they believe every word. The loss of trust between the community and the police should start there. It is not the fault of the police just the blame. and you wonder why you get the service you do.
OT.....Eddie Johnson is latest creampuff to give into the mob. Stripping officers for taking a poor armed robbery offender to the ground who tried to run down a handful of officers. Add hime to the list of pussies throwing people under the bus just to do it.
As soon as a problem was discovered, the range did due diligence to find the extent of the problem and track down the source. The bad ammo is newly manufactured, direct from Winchester and had only been stored since February. The issue was internal to Winchester and they are making it right and people will be losing their jobs over this. You cannot blame the City on this one.
Reminds me of the LeRoy Martin days when we didn't qualify for 3 years straight since they wanted to save money. Then they bought cheap ammo appropriately named "zero". This crap from a Supt. who wrote people up for not wearing a hat & you took time regardless if you had a clean record or not. Seems like Eddie Johnson has the same "low mentality & morality" that LeRoy had. Another thing in common is that both clowns are second choices. LeRoy knocked off Rudy Nimocks when Harold was mayor. Nimocks had the audacity to proclaim that several gold stars would be demoted. The targets ran to their clout, who then ran to Harold, and LeRoy was told to apply. The rest was the same old sordid history which has slowly run the ship into the ground.
Retired .38 spl +P
Anyone see the latest video of cops being stripped by the supt for slamming an armed robber that tried to run a cop over to the ground. They through her down, after all she did, and now Eddie forwarded that to ipra asking them to take a second look saying it was brutality. This is just so fucked up. If there has ever been someone that doesn't have our backs, I'll start with this guy. He's going to turn out to be the absolute worst. I'll take jody any day over fast Eddie.
Side note: he's throwing ever other cooper to the wolves, but his fiancé...? No, doesn't appear to be doing anything about that.
4/23/2016 12:30:00 AM
This is all a smokescreen to deflect attention from the Lt cheating scandal him and the rest of the NOBLE crew were part of. Gene will retire and it will all go away. I hope the IG doesn't stop at Gene. Bring them ALL in and the first one that lies, fire them for rule 14 violation. The IG has a ton of Dept emails between everyone in the secret study group some with the test questions as attachments.
Actually they're swapping our duty weapons for tickle guns. They've been proven to incompasitate even the burliest of resisters for several minutes. As an added benefit it appears to lighted the mood while deployed.
Video of two cops stripped for throwing offender to ground shows nothing excessive. This is the biggest shot to morale for me of all. Eddie Johnson should have responded to this saying "good police work!" Instead he strips them???? WTF and don't get me started on it being 5 years old. Where is our leadership???? Driving the bus running over working coppers who are doing nothing wrong. This news story just made a bunch of people stop working altogether. Here's your VIN. Put me down on a personal.
Been saying it for years, contracts with the lowest bidder! Watch your back and front!
and why is the media only showing the takedown on the video, no mention on her trying to run a P.O. over, and barely any mention that she got CONVICTED OF ARMED ROBBERY and is serving time! Our fiends in the media!
It's b.s. Because of the huge influx of recriuts and in service training, yearly qualifications have been delayed. That's why the academy put out they are looking for more range instuctors. New ammo comes in and out on a regular basis.
Its this the same person who said he found a syringe in a Pepsi can?
You would expect nothing less from this cutting edge highly trained and equipped where the World comes to learn the "Chicago Model" of Policing.
Those officer shouldn't be stripped for that. Fop need get out the office and see what is goin on and do something about this.
Maybe someone can answer this? If you choose to use your own ammo. Will the department throw you under the bus in a shooting?From the research i've done, I really like Speer Gold Dots 124 grain or 147. Also really like Federal HST in 124 & 147 grain. I'm not opposed to the Winchester Ranger T, but just seems like the Dept is having issues with it. I've also seen it under perform in Ballistic Gelatin tests (not expanding, over penetrating).
Here's the order....
"3. 9mm Luger (parabellum) Caliber, 115 through 147 grain jacketed hollow point bullet, standard, +P, and +P+."
Obviously the ammo I've chosen falls under the category. I just don't trust the City.
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"Old ammo? Improperly stored? Something to do with the steel (or nickel steel) cases instead of brass?"
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This being Chicago, it would probably be a safe bet to go with all 3 of the aforementioned reasons.
I left the job about 12 years ago for another department. Just curious what brand this bad ammo is? When I left, CPD issued Winchester Ranger which has a good reputation.
When I first got hired, we carried revolvers and were issued Zero brand ammo (38 +P LHP), which I heard was owned by some alder-creature's relative (go figure). That shit was like shooting black powder it was so smokey and dirty. I never carried it and always carried Winchester 158gr LHP. In the end of 91 when recruits had to buy a 9mm, the Department issued Zero in 9mm for the primary auto shooters. That lasted a few months until it was discovered the bullets were not seated in the cases properly and either pushed in to the case (over-pressure) or crept out of the case (under-pressure and jams magazine.)
My advice is to buy your own quality ammo that is Department approved. The GO (guess now its called a Uniform Order) says you can carry your own. Don't be cheap, and don't EVER trust what you are issued by CPD.
Just another symptom of Rahm's deliberate decision
to run CPD on the cheap...
Cutting budgeted manpower.
Refusing to hire.
Refusing to replace obsolete/
worn-out equipment.
Gutting training, especially
firearms training.
And on that note...
Shoot/Don't Shoot,
Target Discrimination/
Trigger Discipline are
all PERISHIBLE skills.
With the current state of affairs due to the JVD/
McDonald shooting incident, cooler heads aren't
prevailing because Rahm is desperately trying to
prevent any association of that tragic incident with
the deliberate, ongoing decision to divert money
from CPD.
This is his "Sticking it in the Cops ear."
Rahm blew into town with the intention from the start
to "save money" by starving CPD of manpower, resources
and training and spending those dollars on the abundance
of silly shit and to pay back his political donors and pander
to the Catered-To Constituency which includes Dude Inc.
and it's armed wing which is currently doing the m/fing fool
with impunity.
"The Police are the problem?"
Not as much as they would have people to believe...
Ladies and gentlemen,
You guys have to be the hardest headed people I have ever worked with. When are you going to learn? Be it Eddie, or don't call me G-a-r-r-y, or any one else in command, regardless of what they think of themselves they're all just pawns for the politician. And the politician is going to do what ever it takes to save his or her own ass from having to have to find a job. So if that means throwing the superintendent to the wolves well then they're just inconsequential, which makes us expendable.
Compare yourselves to a politician or a boss. We're not elected nor entitled to a large compensation. We're just that person who comes to work, goes to roll call, gets the go - get them speech, then leaves to go find a car with a working PDT let alone if the car even has one. Then depending on the weather checked to see if the air, heat or windshield wipers work. And once we accomplished that go gas the old girl up, get our coffee, and start our day WORKING, which basically consists of being mother-fucked, and antagonized till we either walk away totally pissed off or finally break and regret our actions later on as we wonder what we're going to do now for work or worse yet ponder our fate before sentencing. All the while the offender is back on the street empowered to commit more crimes against those that now seek to improverish or in prison us.
And everyday we do this. Taking call after call of bullshit that no rational person would dream of calling the police for. Or chasing a person with a gun call to only be projected by the media as the bad guy several years later after a video surfaces. And all for what? So we can be put on public display, subject to second guessing and criticism by the very people who don't have the balls to stand up for themselves or for what is right and just. And as for all you media talking heads out there that sell yourselves morning, noon and night get on an elevator in 26/cal sometimes along with a bunch of copers and thugs. Listen to how even the thugs tell us we're the bad guys now as they laugh and just shake their heads disbelief. You'll see just how much you've empowered the thug with the unlimited media bashing of CPD.
Finally, to the several thousand politicians in Cook County who have stolen our pension and now are working very hard to eliminate it all together realize we are only required to answer calls. We are not required to be PROACTIVE. You had your way with us far to long. It's your turn to twist in the wind now. Sorry sir, no inattention to duty here, I answer all my calls and even insisted on writing a case report for the vic. Just check my video. Just look at that customer service / social work. I really gave the perception that I cared.
You think things have been bad so far? Just remember, summer is eight weeks away and along with it warm weather.
The city needs the money saved on ammunition to give to the welfare recipients who are already sucking society dry.
Why in the world would any officer put their lives in the hands of ammo that CPD gave them. That crap is good for range practice and quals only. For the street carry .Hornady or Black Hills self defense ammo
So im confused , ignore our training then ?? "The higher the threat , the lower you take them " .. Whats up is down and down is up , Blm now run our countries law enforcement . Fetal times.
Our new leader has nailed his coffin shut in world class time. How in the hell does he re-open this case where an ARMED robber was taken to the ground? Every time you think we can't get any lower something else kicks us in the nuts. There is only one statement we can make, and it's a shitty thing to do-Boycott St Jude. Let the mayor and the brass March down the street by themselves.
You people better wake up including all of you new officers. A convicted armed robbery and agg assault to police offender lawfully and properly arrested and now they want to hang the coppers that made the arrest. Fuck this job and this city. As I said before, the city and bosses DO NOT have your back !!!!!! Wake the fuck up and see whats going on. They are hanging two officers out to dry for a proper arrest from 2011 !?!?!?!? Unbelieveable. This department is SO DONE.
Anonymous said...
Should have gone with Speer Golddot or even Hornady LE only.
4/23/2016 03:33:00 AM
+1
I went to qualify. I pulled the trigger and a white flag with word bang on it came out of the barrel. Then i squeezed my red nose twice. HONK HONK !! Oh well back to my cruiser or is it a clown car?
Eddie Johnson...The African-American version of J-Fled...
Can't shoot anybody anyways. Might as well give us a squirt gun.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not the first time either,,a couple years back they were passing out .45acp ammo with similar problems.
4/23/2016 03:50:00 AM
Department issued ammo has been pure garbage
for the last several years.
Whatever ammo the department gives you,
use it for next year's qualification. Do not trust
your life or your co-workers lives to Rahm and his
brand of cut-throat bean counterism...
There is plenty of excellent and still reasonably priced,
high performance ammo out there.
Not necessarily from the big manufacturers either...
O.T., but what do all the fans of our new supt think now after the reopening of the caper from 5 years ago???
More proof that it doesn't matter whoever the supt is, they're always gonna be a pawn for the mayor.
The politics of this job is a f'in joke!!
Nice job stripping those two Eddie. Why waste time before fucking the troops and losing us? Get your girl made and fuck the working cops. You'll fit right in.
The ammo is manufactured by DMV LLC.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the ammo, just ask king daley.
So Rham wants everyone to shoot blanks?
I get it, the City buys on the cheap (Except when it come to construction cost over-runs, then it the cash cow), but slow your roll here. If they got a bad shipment od ammo how is it the fault of the buyer? This sits on the shoulders of the vendor/supplier. I know a few range people, and most of our range officers are top notch. If they knew their was or even could be a problem they would hit the stop button immediately. The problem was noticed a week earlier, but it takes time to go through the entire shipment of ammo. C'mon, think about it rationally, and don't just look for another reason to bitch, whine and complain. We do enough of that as it is under the current conditions, and we get fed a healthy handful of shit reasons to do it, but this is one that has limited scope of finger pointing and it shouldn't always get pointed where you think.
What is your life worth? Buy some modern design ammo on your own dime if need be. You should be shooting more than your quals anyway.
maybe they should've just shot her...then this way the BLM peeps would have actual facts to back up their "hands up, don't shoot" nonsense...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I haven't qualified yet, I thought the Dep't issued Speer Gold Dot?? What are they giving out now? I prefer Hornady Critical Duty but the Speer Gold Dots are very good rounds as well.
4/23/2016 08:51:00 AM
Dept is still giving us Winchester Ranger...
South Shore hood holding a Barbeque 4 NO Shooting. how long before Chalkie shows up?
Okay then fucking complain to a news reporter or create a Youtube video. Show the video of the ammo that is defective, used, or not working. To keep saying no one cares is bullshit. This is too important to just read this on the blog. Thanks for letting me rant.
How about that imported Russian or Chec. Ammo? S/B? These companies make 9mm stuff that seems to work fine..
As a civilian it is obvious to me what is going on with the new video:
Rahm needs to have even more evidence for public that the CPD are problem and not him;
Rahm rejects all other potential candidates for Superintendent since they do not have HIS back;
Rahm finds Johnson who will do anything to be the Superintendent;
Johnson tells Rahm that he knows of a OLD CPD video where the officers involved are not hooked up but acted like jerks plus it involves a woman;
Rahm manipulates the Alderman to get Johnson on-board;
Johnson gives us a couple of days of early manipulation and then releases the video;
Citizens are way more interesting in Price dying to even care.
I hope CPD isn't issued steel cased ammo.Brass is what you want or with a nickle plate over the brass(holdover from revo days).
SCC,because of the HIGH demand for ammo the last 7 years(Bammy) there has been a downturn in QC from many manufacturers,even premium duty JHP.
If a policeman was injured because the police department issued defective bullets, can there be a settlement?
Problems with Winchester Ranger .45 ACP a few years ago.
Primer strikes but no bang...
It was either bad primers or the primers were somehow
set in the primer pockets too deeply.
Hopefully no Policemen will end up getting hurt/killed
because of Rahm's obsession with "sticking it in the Cops ear."
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC
***Important***
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=2758&GAID=13&GA=99&DocTypeID=SB&LegID=96067&SessionID=88
4/23/2016 09:47:00 AM
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my wife's scumbag uncle is on the senator sponsor committee for that deal... he has always been a piece of shit. prepare to get fast tracked for disciplinary actions
You should inspect any ammunition that you purchase. Winchester isn't the only company that's had to recall ammunition. Check each round carefully, no matter who made the ammo. Just be glad that the instructors caught it and notified before it became an issue.
Will Eddie Johnson commitment to build community trust include discipliary actions for promotional exam cheaters? Thought not. Not even a month in the post and his legitimacy is 0.
If the ammo that the City is issuing has bad crimps or high primers, that is ammo that was hand loaded. By a careless amateur.
The name brand ammo manufactures' manufacturing process is all done by machines. The quantities that they run have been designed to take human handling out of the process as much as possible.
As for old ammo going bad: Doubt it. Unless really shitty storage conditions and a very long time.
In the late 1950's the wreckage of a missing WWII B-24 was found in the Libyan desert. The plane was missing over 15 years prior. The ammo was recovered and tested and found to meet all specs
I qualified last week and was handed a box of 50 rounds for my glock 45. So I opened up the box and found a missing case file that I was searching for. You never know what you will find in a box of ammo the city buys.
Hey rham needs the money for the museum. Give him a break already .
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Maybe someone can answer this? If you choose to use your own ammo. Will the department throw you under the bus in a shooting?"
You're fine for carrying your own ammo. Just make sure if conforms to the order. American made, (9mm) 115-147gr JHP, standard or +p is okay. That's about the only point they won't try and fuck you on. Where you'd have an issue is carrying .357 magnums in a revolver, because the order says 38 special +P.
Shitty Ammo is nothing new. Read a Rifleman Goes to War by Herbert W McBride Indiana Native that fought for Canada in WWI. He goes into great detail about defective ammo issued during the War.
These places have good duty ammo in stock. However, they don't ship to Chicago addresses, police or not. Find a suburban friend who will accept shipments of ammo and buy as many boxes or cases of (1000) as you can afford. if 2 or three people split a case of 1000, your price will be decent. Don't waste your money buying duty ammo in consumer packaging at Bass Pro or Cabelas, as you'll get ripped off and pay out the ass.
These places have 50 round boxes of 9mm Federal HST 124, 147 (standard and +p), Federal Hydra Shok, Gold dot, Golden Saber, etc in stock. They have 40 cal and 45 too. Buy your own and feel confident. Don't be cheap, unless your life is cheap.
http://www.targetsportsusa.com/9mm-luger-ammo-c-51.aspx
http://www.targetsportsusa.com/40-sw-ammo-c-59.aspx
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammo-sale/9mm-luger-ammo
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammo-sale/40-cal-ammo
Come to the suburbs. We make as much money, and I qualified with my personally owned AR-15, a dept. AR, a dept. shotgun, my primary side arm, my back up side arm, and 3 off duty guns of various calibers. When the next group was qualifying, I was welcome to do the course of fire again. Same with the next group. I shot about 300 rounds of Winchester white box in .40, 5.56, 9mm, .380 and .38 today. We did shooting behind barricades, stopping a squad and getting out and shooting, transition from rifle to sidearm, etc.
Chicago is shitting on you guys. Get the fuck out. They don't want the police anyway, and aside from the southwest and northwest sides, (AKA the working people who pay the taxes for the rest of the welfare leeches to live on) they don't deserve you.
And for those hard chargers that think the "suburbs" aren't as real as the city, I don't mean Kenilworth or Highland Park. There are plenty of towns besides Chicago where there is work to do, and it's meaningful and has a positive impact.
I dont need a Gun,Im Tazer certified....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If a policeman was injured because the police department issued defective bullets, can there be a settlement?
4/23/2016 06:32:00 PM
You would have to try to sue the manufacturer. Not the City.
Per the vid http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-video-released-met-20160422-story.html the city will screw that cop. The city will say that there was no need to grab her by the collar, spin her back and around, and to the ground; though the cop never let her go, but controlled her going down. The city will maintain that the cop could have just as easily cuffed her while she was standing; never mind about academy take down methods. Yep cop is screwed. And the officer who Tased her, will be second guessed for using the Taser on her. Another cop screwed. All screwed to feed the mob, all because Rahm hid a vid in order to be elected.
The city deserves all the crime it gets. Do what you got to do and no more. Not saying to be fetal, but don't stick your necks out. And remember the cameras are not your friend, because while the POS can do anything they want to flee or resist arrest, you are held to a standard that of a God in comparison. The slightest misperceived action always looks worse on video.
I think our new sup shows what a POS he is, I hope the test scandal takes him down!
Love how the media only shows when the car finally stops and she is thrown to the ground after doing an armed robbery, fleeing and eluding and trying to run down officers. This all happened in 2011 and they are getting stripped now? All kidding aside anybody that does proactive police work is cra cra.
4/23/2016 06:27:00 AM
Tru dat. Saw the video - said to myself, yup, textbook takedown. What else is on? Had to mute Momma, 'cause I knew I would throw up. Thanks Eddie. You WERE ok in 015, now - not so much...
The video is just a deterrence don't let them fool u its a way to take attention away from cheating scandal, many in Noble are part of a society of political figures who have a huge influence FOP needs to really be out there exposing and fighting for us!!!
SCC
***Important***
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=2758&GAID=13&GA=99&DocTypeID=SB&LegID=96067&SessionID=88
4/23/2016 09:47:00 AM
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Here we go again.....
Pass the vaseline, please.
Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Uniform Peace Officers' Disciplinary Act.. Provides that a sworn affidavit or other legal documentation is not required to file a complaint against a peace officer (currently, a sworn affidavit is required). Removes a provision referring unsupported complaints containing false material information to the State's Attorney. Effective January 1, 2017.
Senate Sponsors:
Sen. Jacqueline Y. Collins (F/1/D)- Patricia Van Pelt (F/1/D) - Emil Jones, III,
(M/1/D) Daniel Biss (M/2/D), Kimberly A. Lightford (F/1/D), Heather A. Steans (F/2/D), Toi W. Hutchinson (F/1/D), William Delgado (M/4/D), Iris Y. Martinez (F/4/D), Mattie Hunter (F/1/D) and Michael Noland (M/2/D)
Hmmm- All Dummycrats
7 Females - 5 black, 1 white, 1 hispanic
4 Males - 1 black, 2 white, 1 hispanic
Finally, to the several thousand politicians in Cook County who have stolen our pension and now are working very hard to eliminate it all together realize we are only required to answer calls.
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...several thousand politicians in Cook County who have stolen your pensions...?!?
Name a hundred who "stole it" and the ones trying to eliminate it?
By stripping the officers in the latest video it's obvious no one has our backs! These officers did everything correct when dealing with an armed felon. The victim was on TV tonight standing up for the police saying that the officers did nothing wrong. What is wrong with this department? When of civilian ,a victim can see that the officers did nothing wrong but yet our superintendent strips them .
I can just tell the officers to go to work, answer your jobs ,do your reports and go home safe.
The police have gotten beaten up far too long from the public and the news media, now it appears from the higher ups for making a good arrest.
How do you expect the police to handle a person with a gun who just committed a felony?
The FOP really needs to step up.
It's time for our voices to be heard.
People also need to realize that the lenght of the gun matters. Just because it works in your regular duty gun, usually 4" or more, doesn't mean it works well with a sub-compact. Just YouTube and you'll find plenty of info.
A dumb question, but
Where is the FOP on this?
Bad ammo? What if a cop is in a firefight and his gun jams or misfires?
This is an issue they should be totally on top of.
"...or with a nickle plate over the brass(holdover from revo days)."
4/23/2016 06:24:00 PM
Yeah, Revolver Police looked STRAC with all the belt loops filled, huh? >grin< The plated rounds didn't turn green from the tanning acids in the leather, and stick in the loops. Held up better when you got your first loadout from the Academy and then wore it rain or shine for the next 20 years.
Some of the old armored car guys were a real trip back then. Green bullets, and a holster used so long the weapon was hanging off there like, parallel to the ground...
As usual they keep secrets !!!
If a policeman was injured because the police department issued defective bullets, can there be a settlement?
4/23/2016 06:32:00 PM
If the department knew about this on 7 April and did nothing until today.. and If the officer was injured or killed any time in between you are damn right you could sue.
Buy your own.
I've been a fan of Ranger SXT 9mm +p 115gr for years.
Speer, Hornady, CorBon, they all make good stuff as well. Buy and extra 200 RDS, make sure it runs, go forward.
I buy my own because nobody buys it for me, and if I need backup I need to dial 911. Why take chances I don't need to?
You folks are far more likely to need it than I am.
You wouldn't buy a HiPoint for own use, why trust their ammo?
Department of Finance Comptroller put in his papers to quit on Friday.
Something big coming I think...
Blogger Anonymous said...
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Maybe someone can answer this? If you choose to use your own ammo. Will the department throw you under the bus in a shooting?"
You're fine for carrying your own ammo. Just make sure if conforms to the order. American made, (9mm) 115-147gr JHP, standard or +p is okay. That's about the only point they won't try and fuck you on. Where you'd have an issue is carrying .357 magnums in a revolver, because the order says 38 special +P.
4/23/2016 08:36:00 PM
In regard to .38 Special +P.
There are smaller companies that load it to the
1930's .38/.44 Heavy Duty specifications.
That's what a .38 +P is SUPPOSED to be.
You don't need .357 unless you're trying to
shoot through both sides of a car and everybody
in it.
Did a little looking and there is indeed a lot of steel-cased ammo coming out of Russia. The brands are Tula and Wolf. I thought it went out with the materials shortages during WWII, when the Germans went to steel cases late in the war and had numerous problems.
Didn't know that the AK rifles are set up to shoot steel cases. The AR-15 series is not. I see reports of a lot of case head separations when using brass cases in especially the .223 AKs; the AK has a looser chamber, and it extracts more violently than the AR.
For pistol stuff, it's cheap but I see also many reports of primers seated cocked, extraction problems, etc.
Use of steel-cased ammo will void your warranty in some weapons that are not intended for it.
Someone keep track of what is causing CPD the problems -- maker's name and brand, headstamp, type of bullet, and the LOT NUMBER that should be stamped on the boxes. Get the info together and we'll have a better idea of what to avoid.
Putin sends his fighters so low they're throwing a wake, buzzing our destroyers at 30 feet altitude, to the point that SecState said "We could have justifiably shot them down," so we line up to buy Putin's cheap ammo.
Money isn't everything...
Buck a shot is nothing when your life is at stake. I would stick with premium-grade American-made brass-cased ammo for duty.
As soon as a problem was discovered, the range did due diligence to find the extent of the problem and track down the source. The bad ammo is newly manufactured, direct from Winchester and had only been stored since February. The issue was internal to Winchester and they are making it right and people will be losing their jobs over this. You cannot blame the City on this one.
Hell yeah I can blame the city -- I qualified almost a month ago walking around with the defected ammo they issued to me, and didn't hear a fucking peep about it until fellow officers brought it to my attention a few days ago. They announce all kinds of useless bs everyday at roll call from all the administrative messages posted in the C/O book-- extend parking courtesy to this one or that one, vacancies in districts X,Y,Z, etc. etc., but they couldn't get a message out to all the districts warning officers to check or replace the shit ammo the department just gave them. And this department is supposed to be part of a first "world class" city?? What a fucking joke! And they wonder why people are leaving in caravans and no one wants to apply for this job.
"If the ammo that the City is issuing has bad crimps or high primers, that is ammo that was hand loaded."
Take an awful lot of "pulling the handle" to satisfy a city contract, wouldn't it?
"The name brand ammo manufactures' manufacturing process is all done by machines. The quantities that they run have been designed to take human handling out of the process as much as possible."
4/23/2016 08:08:00 PM
Whether a one-at-a-time loading press or the automated high-speed machines used by manufacturers, everything has to be set up right. That is the key -- you can be running out crap in a blur, 20,000 rounds/minute. Machines can make more mistakes and faster mistakes than any one person. >grin<
Different strokes for the guy with a custom bench-rest rifle. Sorts his cases into lots, trims them all to exact length, measures the neck wall thickness, individually weighs out powder charges +- 1/10 gr., seats bullets to exact depth, and spins the completed rounds in a fixture to check for concentricity. This is the stuff that makes one ragged hole at 500 yards. Some handloading gets real scientific. Little mark on the face of the rifle chamber, and a little punch mark on the head of each cartridge, and you always match them up. It's about eliminating variations. That's another world, though.
Have heard of guys getting jammed up for using handloads on duty. Lawyer screaming "he wanted to kill, he was making overloaded, extremely powerful rounds, far in excess of department specs..."
Just buy the good Gold Dots or similar.
Could this ammo be made in Mexico?
Inspect EVERY round you put in your mags.Even premium duty type ammo has been found to have all types of defects.Search the net for these recalls on ammo.Stay safe.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Could this ammo be made in Mexico?
4/24/2016 05:05:00 PM
Aguila make good ammo.
Ok ,after 22 years i never had a problem with my sig 226 then I qualify go home clean my gun and the pin breaks ,now we got bad ammo ,really
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok ,after 22 years i never had a problem with my sig 226 then I qualify go home clean my gun and the pin breaks ,now we got bad ammo ,really
4/25/2016 06:22:00 PM
I hope you changed at least some parts on the gun in 22 years. Mechanical things break after time. You wouldn't keep the same parts in your car for 22 years.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok ,after 22 years i never had a problem with my sig 226 then I qualify go home clean my gun and the pin breaks ,now we got bad ammo ,really"
Not trying to bust balls here, but it's not the ammo, it's your gun. As another person pointed out, mechanical things break. Sigs have a parts replacement and inspection cycle, as do ALL guns. Usually it's 5000 rounds for various springs. A good practice is the gun should be completely (all springs, components, etc) disassembled and inspected by a certified armorer every 2000 rounds or two years. You're probably about 10 or 11 inspections short of maintaining a piece of equipment that could save your life, or the life of your partner.
Glocks, contrary to popular misconceptions, do not work forever, They too must be inspected, cleaned, lubed, and have certain parts replaced.
Be smart and safe. Become a certified armorer and do it yourself. Classes are cheap and easy and are held in the Chicago area every year for all of the approved guns.
"A good practice is the gun should be completely (all springs, components, etc) disassembled and inspected by a certified armorer every 2000 rounds or two years."
4/27/2016 10:38:00 AM
All excellent advice. My buddy's Colt Officer's .45 developed a crack in the chamber; the part of the forging that holds the recoil link was about to tear out of the barrel! That would have been a real shatter-the-handgrips-off the gun, blow-out-the-magazine-type spectacular.
At the very least, know your weapon. Study the manual until you can name each part correctly, and practice until you can field-strip and reassemble it blindfolded. You may never need to actually do that, but it builds familiarity and confidence.
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