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- So, I'm not sure if anyone else's district has had this yet, but we were surprised yesterday by the sudden arrival of a civilian employee working behind the district desk without fore warning, handing out radios, being trained on AIRA, having I-clear access, not to mention the equipment, old shotguns, rifles. This person has access to all of our computer systems, employee information, leads, ect. All the access we have. No badge, no oath taken. A 3 week stint in the academy. Doing more with less I guess. Did they not learn their lesson three years ago when police officers homes were being burglarized and weapons taken, turns out the source was a civilian with login credentials?! In this current era of no accountability and police hatred, we now have people that have unabated access to not only the computer systems, but the actual police station. Un-fucking believeable.
Anyone care to chime in? We haven't heard about any sort civilian class going through the Academy and we assume that's where there would be some training.
And there would be more than a little noise from displaced bid personnel. Those are Contractual spots that will be manned by sworn officers. So while Rahm might cream of such a thing, we're calling bullshit on it.
And there would be more than a little noise from displaced bid personnel. Those are Contractual spots that will be manned by sworn officers. So while Rahm might cream of such a thing, we're calling bullshit on it.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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New patronage army employees, remember Victor Reyes, the former head of Daley's Office of Intergovernmental Affairs. Or is this the new District Manager? City Hall planting eyes to watch over the police at the district level.
Heh...
M/Fers just fall out the sky
like birdshit, right?
They're feds.
Watch your asses officers.
Don't engage these people.
Make sure your Police game is tight.
Be leery of any young, fresh looking
m/fers who aren't from here, hiding
in the back of the roll-call room and in
the back of training classes.
"Just here to observe..."
Go on with that bullshit...
Bona fide
Wait until a gunman comes into the station shooting up the place like that time in Detroit.
If civilians are writing reports, do they also run the risk of getting called to court?
Mayor Rahm is the ultimate boss of bosses. Contracts mean nothing to him.
There was a dude in our station today whom I've never seen before with a uniform similar to the detention aides. I didn't inquire about him but now that i'm reading this he's probably one of these new employees. Strange looking dude..you could get that vibe from him that he's failed a lot of police tests.
its true....was in our c.o. book in 005
Saw one in 018. Days. Straight up nerd.
Check the BOP, they're called administrative clerks.
They were supposed to hire civilians as desk aids, like the old police aids, just not sure how far along they got in the hiring process..
Yes 022 they started 3rd watch yesterday.
Civilians were being trained in the academy for the past few weeks.
According to FOP any civilian personnel that will work a district desk will be supplemental only.... they will not replace any contractual bid spots.
That's nice to hear from the FOP but you've got Rahm telling the media and the community that he wants to reopen our contract and you could see Rahm not giving a fuck whether he violates our contract or not.
After all it's always been Rahm's way or the highway.
In my district there's a ton of full duty coppers working out of the Commanders Admin office.... almost all of them aren't protected by contractual spots..... Logic would say that's a perfect spot for these civilians so these young, able bodied, full duty admin staff could then man a beat car.
In the past when civilians have assisted on the desk they didn't have access to all the data bases and the only reports they could do were the non criminal reports.
I'd like to think that's still the way it is.
I'm not the least bit surprised about the no advanced notice part.
This city, and department, are quite fucked up and usually don't even bother to notify districts affected by their changes or moves.
Excellent welcome to the real world!!!
Hey Dean! You're response is what? Crickets Crickets Crickets.
I was at the academy today and they have lockers set aside for detention aides, AND clerical aides. Is this person a clerical aid?
Which connected "reverends" church is supplying the manpower?
Skahill coming back today either as head of legal affairs or chief of staff.
There are/were about 40 civilians in the academy. Most are Detention Aides, but a couple are desk aides. They supposedly went through the same hiring process (drug screen, background check, psych).
Relax, we had civilians years ago in districts doing the same thing. How many police officers complained in the past about the waste of officers hiding in front offices and desk spots.? Let them pass a background check and put the officers on the street.! Our desk officers can't answer a phone, disconnect you a few times and treat people like shit, can't be any worst.
What is old is new again.
We had this in the early 90's
100% true, this move is pure Don oneill, police aides are back, what's old is new again
Where is that kid who impersonates the police. Maybe he's now impersonating a civilian employee.
They get half of what a P.O. makes. Besides, it seems there's many young officers behind the desk that should be outside. Rarely do you see an old dinosaur officer work the desk anymore.
If there is one in each district that means Rahm has 22 voters. Simple math.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Wait till these civilians start taking over the districts and start telling YOU what to do. Saw it happen in 025. The district secretary actually got into shouting matches with seasoned,veteran coppers and no one including the Commander did anything about it. THEY ran the district and if you got in their way,asked for something or did something they didn't like, look out.
Had a civilian in 018 25 years ago handing out radios and doing whatever else she was qualified/cleared to do behind the desk. Nicest person you'd ever want to meet. Worked harder than all the desk dogs combined. Hi Pearl.
"...civilian personnel that will work a district desk will be supplemental only.."
am thinking the Relief Officer will only be inside when the bid Officers are all off....it won't be bid plus relief plus civilian
That's the least of your worries. Most of the FOIA section will be civilians with jourlism backgrounds and a few new law school grads. Your CR, background, award, training, VRI, and so on history is all available to them and the public.
The even wanted to staff it with temporary interns. No regard to our privacy. Just want to save money.
They can also do their own foia requests while at work. Like fox guarding the hen house.
The Dept had civilians working the desk in the 80's. I don't recall their civilian title. They could answer the phones, write non criminal reports, hand out radios (not shotguns).
I don't know why the city did not hire retired officers to do these jobs. It would have been cheaper in the long run and they would have been able to get more out of them. Could have paid them $22 - $24 an hour and the savings would come from not having to pay health insurance and other benefits. Plus those retirees would have been able to access all databases with no issue of worry.
BS. Detenntion Aides and Crossing Guards were being trained at the academy. Not a civillian support staff.
0314hrs is correct , leave sworn police officers assigned to Desk . Hire civilians to replace commanders front office , caps officers , crossing guard supervisor and yes review officer .
So, if these civilians have a CCL can they show up to work armed?
Could a civilian sue because your letting unauthorized people getting drivers & personal info
Guys need to read a little more. The city posted 100 spots as civilian workers to do desk work. The FOP brought this up many moons ago.
They are paid in the 30k range.
And yes civilians have access to LEADS and your address which is probably on line because it is in your name.
If you ever wander around 35th street you will see an ocean of civilians doing easy paper work making 50K.
And don't worry the civilian in about a month will talk trash and say I don't work for you!
Are you guys new or something? The desk use to have one or two "police aides" working the district desks. They got rid of the police aid position in 2003. If this is what they are doing again then it is nothing new. I liked them, most of them did more work than most of the people working the desk do now a days...
They are in 18 on 3rd watch. Can't wait till this experience goes terrible wrong with all those M4's and tasers and radios that will mysteriously go missing
Civilian hires free up a real cop to work the streets. Smart move.
Some of the janitors scare me enough already
And they're only allowed access to a mop
Hate to say it, but this has been the trend in suburban departments for a while, so the city is just late to the party. Pretty much every suburban department that still has a desk, the people behind it are civilians.
Sure, they'll have LEADS and Iclear access and maybe even wear an official looking uniform in a lot of cases, but welcome to cost cutting, they're civilians.
Next they will be detailed as beat drivers so officers are freed up to write reports...
Can you imagine if one of these civilians ever went postal with access to the M4's? Something tells me this isn't right. One has a bad day/life? Depressed, one gets a ticket on his way to work, whatever. People are nuts now a days. And this guy is in the radio room handing out radios/shotguns/rifles? Hmmmm
According to our contract, Appendix C, Auxiliary Police Aides can "Prepare case reports of non-criminal incidents as directed by a sworn Officer",
So if you see one of these civilians doing a criminal case report file a grievance.
I would also advise not getting involved if one of these civilians is "investigating" a criminal incident while completing a case report because when the SHTF the civilian will throw the sworn officer under the bus as his or her way out and the city will screw the Officer with little or nothing happening to the civilian.
I know it won't happen because of the usual patronage bullshit for getting hired on City jobs, but these shouldn't be straight up civilians working behind our desks, having access to all sorts of sensitive information regarding department personnel, equipment and operations.
Administrative posts should be filled by retired P.O.s, officers with genuine medical ailment that prevent them from working the street, or full duty officers with more than 20 yrs of service. There should be a program to transition retired officers to desk duty or administration. Part-time, $20 an hour, no benefits. I betcha quite a few retired guys would go for that.
Needless to say, it would require minimal training and vetting to get a retired P.O. into an administrative spot. And their loyalty to the organization and their fellow officers could be counted on, more so than some civilians.
I'm a retired Chicago Police Officer. Last November, the City posted a job announcement for the position of Police Administrative Clerk. Retired Police Officers were given a preference over other applicants. I applied, was tested, interviewed, drug screened and provided 9 pages of information and references for a background check. Still waiting.
Now hold it right there. Not all civilians hate the police. Some of us would have loved to have become officers, but because of physical limitations, could not. So we did the next best thing we could in order to help. Some became dispatchers, some did other jobs that allowed us to feel like we were able to help people the best way we could.
I come from a police family, big guys too, but God decided that I being a girl, had to be small. I knew I wouldn't be effective on any department, and because of my size, might end up getting an officer or myself hurt because of it. It didn't stop my wanting to help, so I became a dispatcher.
I suggest that you think before you lash out at civilians, one might be trying to save your life.
They're hiring 100s. Just takes the city a long time to open the check-book, then a lot of scurrying, rushed investigations, and rushed training. It will work out fine. Nothing to see here....
Is there a possibility that these "civilians" would have access to the personal info and addresses of the officers and their families? Or would have the ability to modify/edit anything in their personnel files?
What the fuck is wrong with hiring retired copes to work these spots. At least they understand what goes on and know how to deal with the crap. As long c as I am on this rant, hire retired guys code enforcement officers going out and generate fines by writing dumpster and building violations etc.
I think you guys are looking at this in the wrong light. Maybe they are to replace Gene "The Midget" Roy, Gene "The Cheat" Williams, or maybe even Steve "Know it All" Georgas. I'm sure that anyone of these Civilians would be an improvement.
Do you know how many civilians already have access to your personal information? Half of 35th st is civilians. Total non issue
They hired 319.retired po's
If you remember a few years ago, there was talk of having retired POs do this.
But they would not vote the way they were told, so that over.
It's all true. P.O.'s to be replaced by civilians on the desk and other administrative duties in the station. Commanders will be allowed to retain a P.O. secretary and one other P.O. in the office. Audits will be forthcoming and Inspectors will be monitoring administrative personnel in districts to ensure no one is hiding. They've tried this a number of times in the past but this time they're playing for real. I believe one (1) P.O. will be retained for desk duties / watch secretary on each watch. Most of the time it didn't work before is because they couldn't find enough civilians to fill spots like timekeeper, etc. Now they do. It will take almost a year to replace P.O.'s but they're full steam ahead with this one.
I heard they were hiring retired cops to work the desk.
I saw a civilian working in 002 yesterday on 3rd watch.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There was a dude in our station today whom I've never seen before with a uniform similar to the detention aides. I didn't inquire about him but now that i'm reading this he's probably one of these new employees. Strange looking dude..you could get that vibe from him that he's failed a lot of police tests.
4/29/2016 01:22:00 AM
So you see some strange guy in the station in a uniform that you "think" might be a detention aid and you don't call him out? Thanks for being a sheep in sheepdog clothing. You are ball less. The station is OUR house. If you don't recognize someone ask them who they are. You ARE the police...remember.
Put the Disability dogs inside processing signed complaints.
Little Boy Blue.
He was meritoriously promoted.
In the current climate, be best to bet these new people are not there to make life easier for you Officers. Watch for the summons to come out when these people disappear, you'll see them again.
Now is the time to stay fetal in your own "yellow" condition areas now.
J.J.
If Rahm can violate our contract then we should be able to too. Summers coming and don't we all feel like we're coming down with the flu. That would really mess things up.
Why not let them take those bid spots too? In 025 most of our inside crew has spent most of the career behind the desk.
Years ago a civilian aid gave out the radios, answered the phone and did some office work. She did a good job but one day she was gone along with the rest of the civilians. A good civilian aid is actually not bad. They can be moved if they don't do a good job so guess what... they did a good job. Unlike the clouted insider who knows they can't be touched. I got no problem with a properly vetted civilian aid.
Bye bye to the 8 people the 12 district has working on the desk on 2nd watch on any given day
Medical section soon too
The advanced notice was last year, when the city posted a job bid for these people.
100 civilians to work the various district desks to allow the department to put all non-bid inside job cops back on the street.
RAHM is attempting to divide and conquer. He is going to gut the Public school teachers union very soon and then turn his attention to CPD. He has made us the villains in the media and we are dog shit in the eyes of the public thanks to all the negative coverage. I feel sorry for anyone with less than 20 years. This job sucks now and is getting worse with each passing day.
Jeez...such a bunch of whining ninnies on this job...many here have called for the removal of sworn officers from 'empty holster' positions. Now they bring in civilians to elevate the numbers on the street, and yet you still bitch about it. As far as 'what if someone enters the station armed and approaches the desk? It's very likely that the sworn members assigned there BY SENIORITY will either be on their phones (playing some sort of video game) or in the dept. lines, calling the dollies. I hope the city does it with the lockups too. Damn near everyone who is sworn should be out on the streets, where we need them.
Hello dean and rahm you guys can roll out of the bed you share look here first responders want bill to protect them from frivolous lawsuits:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-illinois-public-duty-law-met-20160429-story.html
You guys on board? Or rahm do you and the 50 enjoy giving away hundreds of millions of taxpayers money to thugs with our frivolous lawsuits?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Could a civilian sue because your letting unauthorized people getting drivers & personal info
4/29/2016 07:58:00 AM
Not unless you can prove you have been wronged by this in some tangible way.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In the current climate, be best to bet these new people are not there to make life easier for you Officers. Watch for the summons to come out when these people disappear, you'll see them again.
Now is the time to stay fetal in your own "yellow" condition areas now.
J.J.
4/29/2016 11:43:00 AM
A few years ago, I'd have cracked on you for being a conspiracy nut. Now, I'm sad to say you might have a valid point.
when I hit district 010 in February 1991 yes a civilian was working the desk: Bob Vargas!
I'm with you brother, til this day "Big O"!
Speaking of rumors, I overheard at comstat that MR. T will be the new Chief Of Detectives when Roy retires. For those who said that Barb "pillow girl" west will be in charge of Detectives in November, think again.
Col Hanibal Smith
A-TEAM
Watch yo shit! The pos civilian would intentionally fuck up my timecard! Mark me using time on my regular day off hahaha not giving me my earned over time. It was f'n ridiculous. And, and (yes, double and) she would give me attitude when I'd question her about it! "My husband got this! I got that" wa wa wa
Hire all the retirees you want....just don't have retirees run FOP7!!!!
The statement is correct. And many more to come.
Any single one of these guys in the flop now should be flogged. they've never come out swinging. we get screwed just as hard whether rahm is the president's friend or enemy. i'd rather stick it in his rear than buddy up to him like that sell out dean. at least blue shirts had a voice back then.
Shame on Mark donahue. the fix was in the second citywide lost that election. all of them should be thrown out.
Anonymous said...
Could a civilian sue because your letting unauthorized people getting drivers & personal info
4/29/2016 07:58:00 AM
Uhhhh ...no, because they'll be AUTHORIZED, genius!
with all this anti-police rhetoric going on, I'd rather see Shields in Dean's spot standing up for the police. Deangelo doesn't do a thing and can't be taken seriously in this town. too bad we've all gotten so used to being sheep under this administration
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's all true. P.O.'s to be replaced by civilians on the desk and other administrative duties in the station. Commanders will be allowed to retain a P.O. secretary and one other P.O. in the office. Audits will be forthcoming and Inspectors will be monitoring administrative personnel in districts to ensure no one is hiding. They've tried this a number of times in the past but this time they're playing for real. I believe one (1) P.O. will be retained for desk duties / watch secretary on each watch. Most of the time it didn't work before is because they couldn't find enough civilians to fill spots like timekeeper, etc. Now they do. It will take almost a year to replace P.O.'s but they're full steam ahead with this one.
Learn your contract. The bid spots on the desk are contractually guaranteed spots. They can't eliminate or change the number of spots unless they are negotiated into the next contract.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Jeez...such a bunch of whining ninnies on this job...many here have called for the removal of sworn officers from 'empty holster' positions. Now they bring in civilians to elevate the numbers on the street, and yet you still bitch about it. As far as 'what if someone enters the station armed and approaches the desk? It's very likely that the sworn members assigned there BY SENIORITY will either be on their phones (playing some sort of video game) or in the dept. lines, calling the dollies. I hope the city does it with the lockups too. Damn near everyone who is sworn should be out on the streets, where we need them.
Um, maybe civilians can do your job too.
We had a great aide in 019. She did all of the above and was the sweetest girl. She ended up in another department when the police aides were let go. Her and the detention aides were the best, and I was glad to have them at my side.
Good
Will somebody please put the S curl male police officer back the street he been inside since he came in the job
Probably afraid to put his hat on
So, will a retired PO who is hired as an aide with an IROCC card be allowed to bring a weapon in the station? Think about what happened in Detroit, that whacko coming in, gunsablazing. Could that happen here? Damn right it could!!
While we are at it, arm those goofs at the airport and pull in those CPD guys. Sink or swim time for the Aviation Police! They'll either take care of business, or not.
Anonymous said...
Why not let them take those bid spots too? In 025 most of our inside crew has spent most of the career behind the desk.
4/29/2016 12:06:00 PM
You are a jack ass. Most of the inside crew put in their time. You must be one of the newer officers who thinks the world owes you something.
Learn your contract. The bid spots on the desk are contractually guaranteed spots. They can't eliminate or change the number of spots unless they are negotiated into the next contract.
4/29/2016 11:08:00 PM
Looks like the negotiations have begun.
If they are going to do this they should use retired P/Os. Others should not have access to sensitive information.
We had a great aide in 019. She did all of the above and was the sweetest girl. She ended up in another department when the police aides were let go. Her and the detention aides were the best, and I was glad to have them at my side.
Which one? D.R. On midnights in the mid-90's?
If they are previously layed off from the library and now rehired they are not subject to the drug test
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bye bye to the 8 people the 12 district has working on the desk on 2nd watch on any given day
4/29/2016 01:37:00 PM
Heh!
Too bad the high rises are gone...
It would be worth it to see the looks of
absolute, pant-shitting terror when they
realize their years of sweet sugar have
spontaneously combusted into flaming
shit.
"Huh?
I gotta work twelve-thirty-WHAAAAT?"
>Watching 1111, 1209 & 1239 blow like Krakatoa
and The Village spew human lava...<
Well...
No worries anymore about bags of shit, furniture, car parts
and other fun stuff flying out of the windows.
Anonymous said...
We had a great aide in 019. She did all of the above and was the sweetest girl. She ended up in another department when the police aides were let go. Her and the detention aides were the best, and I was glad to have them at my side.
4/30/2016 02:24:00 AM
I was racking my brain trying to think of her name, what a great lady! I worked inside with her and she was the nicest person to sworn and civilians. She had alot of energy with I think 10 kids! Hi Coletta!
While we are at it, arm those goofs at the airport and pull in those CPD guys. Sink or swim time for the Aviation Police! They'll either take care of business, or not.
4/30/2016 06:45:00 AM
Yes, always a good idea to arm those goofs...not! That would be a disaster within a short amount of time, not worth the "or not" that you ended with.
Administrative clerks= FBI plants wearing wires.
oh oh!
What's CM in 024 going to do???
It's all true. P.O.'s to be replaced by civilians on the desk and other administrative duties in the station.
Maybe next contract but for now, the desk is a bid spot which can't be touched.
But I'm sure they will try.
They did something similar a few years back when they closed some lock ups. The bid lockup keeper was given a choice, man a car or take a spot on the desk.
I can see civilians working the desk. Most of that work is either accidents or financial I.D. theft reports.
CAPS? Well, that would put 2 or 3 more P.O.
s back on the street.
Front office? I don't know. The only REAL spots there are Commanders Secretary and Time Keeper. Every other spot is made up to hide some of the fortunate sons (sorry CCR). How could they put a civilian in a spot that only existed to hide someone?
Review Officer? I doubt it. Way too much information goes through that office to allow a civilian to handle.
WOW! This, coupled with the specter of clocking in and out in the not too distant future makes me glad I'll be long gone by that time.
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